LOL SMHTrump forced the international community to further isolate NK from the rest of the world. Even fucking china distance itself from NK. And and all this bullshit was because NK started doing their fucking tests. Trump called their bullshit. Well really a starved and country but hay, guess that’s the price of peace. But I don’t think Kim would admit that.
better shit boiling than smelling.Results don't matter. Better shit boiling than smelling. Throwing things under the rug does not help in resolving them.
LMAOI despise the man and every day I wake I hope it's the day he dies, but yeah, if Trump plausibly performs actions that leads to NK disarmament, sure. I'll sing his praises if he shepherds through single-payer health care too.
LOL SMH
This argument sounds like a manifestation of TDS. NK has been rapidly working on a way to hit mainland USA with nukes, and the RM threatens to use them non-stop. If a twitter tantrum gets them to stop that shit, then said twitter tantrum would have brought peace without a single shot fired, man or woman soldier lost, or civilian casualty. That would be one of, if not the absolute most successful effort to achieve peace in world history (most likely the latter).It's somewhat funny that people think Trump has a hand in any of this outside of his childish temper tantrum Tweets. People are forgetting the Peace part. He's brought anything but.
LOL Your understanding of this is simplistic to say the least.This argument sounds like a manifestation of TDS. NK has been rapidly working on a way to hit mainland USA with nukes, and the RM threatens to use them non-stop. If a twitter tantrum gets them to stop that shit, then said twitter tantrum would have brought peace without a single shot fired, man or woman soldier lost, or civilian casualty. That would be one of, if not the absolute most successful effort to achieve peace in world history (most likely the latter).
To say the least, you are arguing out of emotional hatred at best.Trump did nothing to prevent NK from making and testing nukes...now that he has them, he quite literally holds all the cards. Trump has done nothing other than escalate the situation and by personally attacking and making all types of stupid-ass statements, he has elevated Kim's status. Keep in mind that its Kim (not Trump) who is making the initial overtures (to South Korea). The US is on the sidelines which is probably a good thing since he'd be dealing with president dip-shit.
LOL Your understanding of this is simplistic to say the least.
The whole point of getting the nukes (for NK) is simply to join the nuclear club...Once you are a member, you are essentially guaranteed to be free of invasion forever. Anyone daring to invade a country with nukes finds themselves in a losing situation fast. Kim is not dumb and he is behaving exactly as you'd expect for someone trying to consolidate power and continued control. He made the nukes so he controls the conversation going forward. This policy started back under Bush and led to their first test in 2006.
Oh but yeah, a tweet is what really settled him...up to that point, he wasn't afraid of Trump. LOL
Do you think it is intelligent to give to trump a Nobel prize just because they gave it to Obama just for breathing?They gave one to Obama for breathing so why not?
Just give them out in fortune cookies and Xmas crackers. At least that way someone who actually deserves one is bound to come across one sooner or later.
Trump did nothing to prevent NK from making and testing nukes...now that he has them, he quite literally holds all the cards. Trump has done nothing other than escalate the situation and by personally attacking and making all types of stupid-ass statements, he has elevated Kim's status. Keep in mind that its Kim (not Trump) who is making the initial overtures (to South Korea). The US is on the sidelines which is probably a good thing since he'd be dealing with president dip-shit.
LOL Your understanding of this is simplistic to say the least.
The whole point of getting the nukes (for NK) is simply to join the nuclear club...Once you are a member, you are essentially guaranteed to be free of invasion forever. Anyone daring to invade a country with nukes finds themselves in a losing situation fast. Kim is not dumb and he is behaving exactly as you'd expect for someone trying to consolidate power and continued control. He made the nukes so he controls the conversation going forward. This policy started back under Bush and led to their first test in 2006.
Its funny that people think the man who commands the most devastating armed forces this planet has ever seen making threats to another nation has no impact.It's somewhat funny that people think Trump has a hand in any of this outside of his childish temper tantrum Tweets. People are forgetting the Peace part. He's brought anything but.
Agreed. I am not anything resembling a Trump fan, but I feel how he's actually stood up to NK, while not perfect, has been extremely effective.Who would have thought that the man in command of the largest, most powerful armed forces this planet has ever seen, could bring the leader of North Korea to the table by not kowtowing to his threats but instead standing up and using the might he has been entrusted with to achieve this result.
Yeah, this just happened. Having a spine can yield results. Who would have thunk it?
Anyone can say what they want about trump but if this real, and it works about how everyone in the world hopes, he's done his damn job as president of the united states and deserves applause for it.
"Oh shit, he's being serious." - Kim Jong Un
Anyone can say what they want about trump but if this real, and it works about how everyone in the world hopes, he's done his damn job as president of the united states and deserves applause for it.
I can't believe this could actually all happen. I'm still wary as its North Korea we're talking about here, but man, this could be stabilizing as hell for the future.
Next up?
The middle east...
Kim inviting Trump.
What a time to be alive. What a fucking time...
Let us hope Trump can get something positive out of this. It's in all of our interests(hopefully).
Why does it seem so hard to believe that Kim is actually fearful that Trump actually means what he's saying? This isn't some schoolyard bully picking on a freshmen here. This is the equivalent of a boot telling an ant that if they don't straighten up, they are going to get stepped on. If there's anything history has taught us, is that dictators will do anything to retain power and if Kim truly believes that Trump means business he wants to avoid conflict as there is now way his regime survives if it comes to that.So Trump agrees to meet with Kim. People see this as a good thing? This does nothing for the US and everything for NK. You meet with them after they end their nuke program, after they point their weapons away from SK, after they open up their borders to UN inspectors without question, and after a hole host of other conditions are met.
Meeting with him now only make Kim look good. Trump is getting played.
I still think its all distraction from his daily scandals he is having. I mean a porn star is about to start leaking text messages and pictures of her affair with him. He almosted started a trade war, now trying to do something so big to change the subject.
I see right through it.
I still think its all distraction from his daily scandals he is having. I mean a porn star is about to start leaking text messages and pictures of her affair with him. He almosted started a trade war, now trying to do something so big to change the subject.
I see right through it.
Saving the receipts for this topic. Just don't be surprised when it leads nowhere.
Btw stop being guillable, Trump's twitter rants did nothing. The thing that's hurting them is sanctions (starved economy), and further detoriating relationships.
I still think its all distraction from his daily scandals he is having. I mean a porn star is about to start leaking text messages and pictures of her affair with him. He almosted started a trade war, now trying to do something so big to change the subject.
I see right through it.
I still think its all distraction from his daily scandals he is having. I mean a porn star is about to start leaking text messages and pictures of her affair with him. He almosted started a trade war, now trying to do something so big to change the subject.
I see right through it.
This right here is what the media has done to peoples critical thinking folks.I still think its all distraction from his daily scandals he is having. I mean a porn star is about to start leaking text messages and pictures of her affair with him. He almosted started a trade war, now trying to do something so big to change the subject.
I see right through it.
This right here is what the media has done to peoples critical thinking folks.
All I can say is learn from it.
Explain.
Why does it seem so hard to believe that Kim is actually fearful that Trump actually means what he's saying? This isn't some schoolyard bully picking on a freshmen here. This is the equivalent of a boot telling an ant that if they don't straighten up, they are going to get stepped on. If there's anything history has taught us, is that dictators will do anything to retain power and if Kim truly believes that Trump means business he wants to avoid conflict as there is now way his regime survives if it comes to that.
This way he could hold on to power by capitulating.
When the most powerful human, of the most powerful nation in earth history's tells you to sit down and shut up, you do so.
I think some may have forgotten just how much power the president of the united states wields when unburdned by political niceties as Trump seems to be.
Unless you honestly believe if Trump is getting played(a possibility ill admit)he won't respond with force? Is that a risk Kim is willing to take after knowing what Trump is like?
That would be suicide.
and who tightened the sanctions again? Who brought China to go in harder on them?
Were you calling someone gullible?
Obama had to deal with a nuclear test by North Korea in mid-2009. The U.N. Security Council quickly adopted sanctions banning arms transfers to and from the country.
Obama sent an envoy to North Korea at the end of the year, asking leader Kim Jong Il to begin denuclearization talks, but his regime didn’t make any major moves toward pursuing them.
Some more progress was made in 2012 when new leader Kim Jong Un agreed to halt nuclear tests in exchange for food aid.
North Korea’s pursuit of nuclear weapons continued, however.
Obama’s administration put the ball in North Korea’s court by outlining conditions it required before diplomatic negotiations could occur, but Jong Un’s regime has maintained for years that its nuclear program is necessary for defense.
He went as far as to threaten the “military might” of the U.S. in 2014 as debates over true capabilities of the North continued.
Last September, after yet another nuclear test, Obama said the U.N. and members of the original “Six-Party Talks” would “vigorously implement” those resolutions and that there were “consequences” for North Korea’s actions.
Before Obama left office, the U.S. led the U.N. Security Council to imposed sanctions on North Korea in November meant to slash its coal exports by 60 percent.
If you think that Trump somehow orchestrated a possibly historic meeting with the leader of N. Korea about denuclearization, and had south Korean officials in on it just to distract from some scandal, I don't really need to explain do I?Explain.
Are you able to admit how wrong you were yet? Or do you still maintain that the US is on the sidelines of overtures to South Korea. Sure sounds like South Korea was approached specifically to convey an offer to speak directly to the US President.Trump did nothing to prevent NK from making and testing nukes...now that he has them, he quite literally holds all the cards. Trump has done nothing other than escalate the situation and by personally attacking and making all types of stupid-ass statements, he has elevated Kim's status. Keep in mind that its Kim (not Trump) who is making the initial overtures (to South Korea). The US is on the sidelines which is probably a good thing since he'd be dealing with president dip-shit.
LOL Your understanding of this is simplistic to say the least.
The whole point of getting the nukes (for NK) is simply to join the nuclear club...Once you are a member, you are essentially guaranteed to be free of invasion forever. Anyone daring to invade a country with nukes finds themselves in a losing situation fast. Kim is not dumb and he is behaving exactly as you'd expect for someone trying to consolidate power and continued control. He made the nukes so he controls the conversation going forward. This policy started back under Bush and led to their first test in 2006.
Oh but yeah, a tweet is what really settled him...up to that point, he wasn't afraid of Trump. LOL
Are you able to admit how wrong you were yet? Or do you still maintain that the US is on the sidelines of overtures to South Korea. Sure sounds like South Korea was approached specifically to convey an offer to speak directly to the US President.
If you think that Trump somehow orchestrated a possibly historic meeting with the leader of N. Korea about denuclearization, and had south Korean officials in on it just to distract from some scandal, I don't really need to explain do I?
You know how crazy that sounds right?
If you meant explain what I mean about the media;
The mainstream medias coverage of Trump has been embarrassing to say the least. Studies have been done highlighting its negativity. Its embarrassing to say the least. I didn't vote for him. For the first time in my life I didn't vote. You know what though? Hes the damn president and I'm going to support him when he's trying to do something good because I'm a citizen of the United States. I'm not going to use CNN as a source for my thought process on the situation, just like I didn't use fox news when Obama was president.
I my not like the man personally but I know bullshit when I see it.
He's not a Nazi.
He's not trying to become a king(like Obama remember?)
He didn't institute a ban on Muslims(same countries Obama had on his "countries of concern" list)
He is brash
He is narcissistic
He is a Twitter whore
If he gets this done, and North Korea somehow denuclearizes he deserves as much praise as any president that had a hand in it.
I loathe the mainstream media. I trust none of them. I have to read the same story 4-6 times just to get the gist of it after having to wade thru mountains of partisan bullshit on both sides. It shouldn't be like that.
Further elaborate one what? Trump did nothing.Great post. Wish to expand your point?
That’s an interesting take on this one. I didn’t realize the South Koreans flew here to ask Tillerson to meet directly with KJU.Further elaborate one what? Trump did nothing.
It was Tillerson that did all the negotiations of sanctions, and Tillerson often complained about how Trump's tweets made it even harder to make these negotiations work because Trump tweets out attacks to those very same countries they are negotiating with.