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Rumour: PS5 Devkits have released (UPDATE 25th April : 7nm chips moving to mass production)

Mooreberg

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We won’t. Red Dead will be the last Rockstar game this gen, no way they’d have enough time to make another.
Rockstar North is a separate team. The argument against a new GTA on current hardware is kinda nuts to me, because the sequel to a 100M+ selling game is never going to come out just for new consoles and the equivalent PC.

My guess is that just like GTA V, it comes out just prior to new consoles coming out. They sell tens of millions of copies on existing hardware, then it gets ported to PC and newer consoles. GTA IV is probably the last "mid cycle" game in the franchise... and that was already ten years ago.
 

bitbydeath

Member
Putting out a new product when your rival is in no position to, when you are in the lead is not good business.

Nintendo just released their next console and there is no guarantee MS will even make another traditional console.

Can’t wait around forever, 6 years between is the norm.
 

MADGAME

Member
If true I hope we get at least a trickle flow of info as time progresses. The excitement of next-gen specs and capabilities gets me hype!
 

bitbydeath

Member
Did you seriously miss the 360 generation?

This too. Being late means the consumers may have already found their console for that gen which will only continue to pickup speed.

More power = higher cost which doesn’t help, especially when arriving late.
 
So you're complaining about new iterations and how its moving too fast and you'll stick to PC yet you went from Xbox One to an Xbox One X. WHAT. If anything PC is more expensive because gamers tend to upgrade new PCs or GPU's every 2-3 years.
PC's are different though. Any update to my computer at home improves my professional life, home life, and gaming life all at once.
 

F0rneus

Tears in the rain
Source is a guy whose pinned tweet says that Black Ops IIII is coming to Switch but no version was announced, and says modern times when the teaser trailer shows giant robots and shit?

Sure, man. Sure.
 
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Texas Pride

Banned
Do people not know how dev kits work? The first round of devkits are never anything close to final hardware.

The first Xbox One dev kits came out 2 years before the Xbox’s release and were running off of an Intel i7 cpu.

Dev kits likely mean a 2019/2020 release on 7nm or less on final hardware that is nothing like the hardware in the dev kits. If I were to guess, these dev kits are not on any APU, they pack the most powerful cpu and the most powerful gpu that amd currently makes.

Nextgen wont be about hardware, it will defined by VR.

My dream would be a Vapor Cooled PS5 launching in 3 years using a 3nm Zen 3+ 3Ghz 3x3 core CPU, 30GBs of 3D Stacked HBM3, a 3TB SSHD and 30 TFs of GPU Horsepower.

I want it to launch alongside an optional 4k per each eye with eye tracking, foveated rendering, OLED, 120fps wireless VR headset with a 180 degree FOV along with haptic gloves and haptic underwear for Ready Player One’s OASIS levels of gaming immersion and market domination. They could simply buy Pimax since they already have a 8k VR headset with these specs (including a 200 degree fov) in the beta testing phase.

Here is a great article on haptic underwear... https://www.futuristspeaker.com/bus...-when-our-technologies-become-truly-wearable/


Lets include eye tracking (and foveated rendering) as a next gen goal as well



I disagree that next gen will be defined by a peripheral like VR. Peripherals didn't sell Wii U or Xbox Ones and it's unlikely to define the next generation of consoles either. It's a cool add on to have sure but after the Kinect disaster it'd be foolish to assume even Sony would force bundle such an expensive peripheral at the obvious expense of their hardware. And on the flip side I think Microsoft has learned that lesson as well and won't dare go that route anytime soon.
 
So, Sony is not waiting for 7nm (which is in one year)..
Very surprised.

What is Marcus Sellars known for?

7nm is at least 2 years away so too far out for PS5.

Custom Ryzen APU - like a much more powerful R5 2400g - is almost a lock if it's coming within 18 months.

Ryzen 2 CPU cores paired with Vega GPU with many Navi features. GPU to be halfway between Vega and Navi.
 

B_Boss

Member
Source is a guy whose pinned tweet says that Black Ops IIII is coming to Switch but no version was announced, and says modern times when the teaser trailer shows giant robots and shit?

Sure, man. Sure.

Yeah but taken contextually, this wouldn't be far off the mark if you know what I mean. Its generally about time for a new generation., at the very least being in the works (devkits) so it would certainly make sense.
 

John Day

Member
Man and im still debating weather to upgrade to Pro 😰 I guess i’ll see and wait, don’t hold much hope for backwards compatibility but, let’s see. As always for me, hype levels loooooow for now.
 

SDCowboy

Member
Nah. This gen has at least 2 or 3 years left in it yet.

Maybe they are shopping a few ideas around but that’s it. The tech doesn’t exist in 2018 / 19 to do next gen justice. Not at a console price point anyway.

I still believe we will see GTAVI and various other big games before next gen lands.
If the next gen is 2 years off, wouldn't Devs need the kits sometime before then?
 
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God Enel

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Back when gaming first started you would have been correct to assume that it wouldn't work since it was targeted at kids and kids were mainly the only ones that played them. And almost no was going to spend 800 bucks on their young kid. for a videogame system. Yet the adults of our parents generation spent a lot of money on their own hobbies whether it was listening to music on a nice stereo or car parts or hunting/fishing gear, crafts, etc... Now we are the money making adults and we still love gaming because we grew up on it so it makes sense that if we have money we want to spend it on our hobby and everybody I've talked to my age that games on consoles wants more powerful consoles.

And you're not splitting your user-base. Steam users all have different hardware, some powerful, some less and they can all play together. Same with iOS and Android devices, some are more powerful than others but they run the same games. Consoles aren't cheap kids toys anymore and Sony needs to recognize the demand for high end consoles.

Well maybe you're right. But I still down know to offer two options from the get go. I don't know how apple is doing with the iPhone 8 and x. I don't know how ms is doing with xbox one S and Xbox one X or whatever they're called. And I don't know how the Sony numbers PS4 to PS4 pro are right now. Maybe it's worth to offer two options.
All the people I have talked to are buying the PS4 pro as the normal one doesn't seem to be "worth" it anymore. (Though the people are older28+ and earning their own money). Plus I always have the feeling and that's why I posted the comment is that you have a superior experience and a let's say normal one it's the people's mindset that they always tend to buy the best thing on the market. And if they can't afford maybe they won't buy it cause it's not worth it if you can't go for premium.

But a lot of it depends on marketing if they can deliver the message that it's worth buying the normal one.

All in all I kinda agree and disagree 😄
 
If the next gen is 2 years off, wouldn't Devs need the kits sometime before then?

They will need them a year out from launch, but not really 2 to 3 years out. Devs can just be told of a rough spec to aim at based on known PC hardware. True alpha kits seem a bit pointless to me these days when using PC like architecture.

Sony could be showing off some PC hardware to devs which may represent a final PS5. In order to get some impressions and feedback. Much like MS did with the Scorpio.
 
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RAIDEN1

Member
The arms race has begun....just when Microsoft thought they had the bleeding edge tech to outdo Sony....Sony fires back with a salvo of PS5 dev kits...
 

GoldenEye98

posts news as their odd job
Very well could be. I mean if a game takes ~3 years to make nowadays then yeah I could see Sony getting it out to a handful of studios that would be making the launch titles.
 

Aces&Eights

Member
My dream would be a Vapor Cooled PS5 launching in 3 years using a 3nm Zen 3+ 3Ghz 3x3 core CPU, 30GBs of 3D Stacked HBM3, a 3TB SSHD and 30 TFs of GPU Horsepower.

I want it to launch alongside an optional 4k per each eye with eye tracking, foveated rendering, OLED, 120fps wireless VR headset with a 180 degree FOV along with haptic gloves and haptic underwear for Ready Player One’s OASIS levels of gaming immersion and market domination. They could simply buy Pimax since they already have a 8k VR headset with these specs (including a 200 degree fov) in the beta testing phase.

Here is a great article on haptic underwear... https://www.futuristspeaker.com/bus...-when-our-technologies-become-truly-wearable/

lol, Keep dreaming!
 

F0rneus

Tears in the rain
Yeah but taken contextually, this wouldn't be far off the mark if you know what I mean. Its generally about time for a new generation., at the very least being in the works (devkits) so it would certainly make sense.

Absolutely, and there's 0 doubt there are things happening behind the scenes. But this guy? Eh......
 

Grinchy

Banned
I'm pretty ok with a PS5 coming out in a couple years, but only because I assume it has a high chance of being backwards compatible with PS4 games. This seems like the easiest transition to have backwards compatibility with the previous generation.
 

jonnyp

Member
Every game 4k 60fps minimum or its an easy pass for me owning a Pro and X.

Target 4k 120fps so it gives me a reason to upgrade my monitors when those hit plus full PS4 back compat and I am in.

This will never happen so why even bother hoping for it?
 
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I think it would make more sense that this isn’t dev units for ps5 but maybe for a new portable? With the Switch doing so well, I would imagine Sony is working on a strategy against it.
 

autoduelist

Member
Rockstar wants to rake in the double dip cash with gta6, and i dont think rdr2 fills that void for them. . I dont think we will see a ps5 anytime soon.

I like long gens, and am perfectly happy with my ps4 lasting another 3 or 4 years.
 

llien

Member
7nm is at least 2 years away so too far out for PS5.
7nm mass production is promised in Q1 2019, or even earlier (AMD is among partners).

Custom Ryzen APU - like a much more powerful R5 2400g - is almost a lock if it's coming within 18 months.
2400G has Vega 11 (for 11 CUs, Vega 56 has... 56), which, at 1.7Tflops, is a bit slower than normal PS4, more than two time slower than Pro.
 

Ar¢tos

Member
Why even bother with native 4k if a good CB implementation can provide the same quality image and free resources for better AA or better shadows? I still dislike the shadows we get in modern games, they usually are 1 gen behind the rest of the stuff in the same game.
 
Yes, kind of. But again take it with a grain of salt and do not quote me on it.

I am hearing it's around 11 Tera Flops GPU. CPU is a no brainer Ryzen custom made I believe. As far as ram goes I have not heard anything about it, but I would personally speculate it would be HBM2 at this point and the time is now.

11 T flops sounds about right. A GTX 1080 is floating around 9 tflops and that was almost 2 years ago in 2016 at a $600 price point and by now the technology has gotten cheaper and tech moved up like always.

You also gotta remember the GPUs are also custom built for consoles along with CPUs.

A $500 Xbox One X gets you an absolutely insane performance and high PC settings with 4K Native and Dynamic as well. Sea of Thieves is a native 4K first party title in Xbox One X at 30 fps for example. $500 is such a low price as opposed to buying a 1080 alone today just for the extra 3 Tera flops that your getting. It's not worth it.

As far as Backwards compatible goes I have heard nothing at all. But if you ask for my opinion I would assume Sony would do something about it to compete with Microsoft because it's quite clear that Microsoft is not going anywhere as far as backwards compatibility goes.

I would like to point out only a small problem about your comment. The performance by Teraflops estimated by AMD hardware is different from that estimated in Nvidia hardware. The most powerful and expensive AMD GPU at the moment is the RX VEGA 64 which has 13Tflops. The RX VEGA 64 has less performance than a GTX 1080Ti with 11Tflops. The performance of VEGA 64 is equivalent to a GTX 1080 that has 9Tflops. The RX VEGA 56 has the same performance as a GTX 1070. The Xbox One X was released costing $ 499 and features a GPU with performance equivalent to RX 580 from 6Tflops. So I believe that for SONY to launch a PS5 with performance equivalent to a GTX 1080 (RX VEGA 64) as you mentioned will need to wait another 1 year until AMD has a mainstream GPU at affordable prices. This if SONY wants to launch a console costing $ 399 again.

Maybe it could cost $ 499 because of the CPU that will be much more modernized on the date of the future release than was the X86 architecture for the year 2013. Although I think $ 399 is a very good price for SONY's marketing. I have strong suspicions that the PS5 will cost 499% just like One X and PS4 PRO have been costing. And at $ 499 a company like SONY can build a great hardware architecture.

A PS5 does not need more power than an optimized RX VEGA 64 and a good Ryzen CPU to deliver native 4k games with next gen graphics. Look at all that the current consoles have been able to do and what they will still be able to do on the graphical side. Consoles are optimizable and can achieve good performance with few features. In addition to the fact that they do not run the games at max settings and are limited to 30 frames per second. Anyway, we'll see a big graphic jump.
 
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Codes 208

Member
Source is a guy whose pinned tweet says that Black Ops IIII is coming to Switch but no version was announced, and says modern times when the teaser trailer shows giant robots and shit?

Sure, man. Sure.
The teaser trailer was a reel of things from blops 1-3. There were giant robots in 2 and 3's zombie mode.
 

Codes 208

Member
I suppose we'll see the trailer drops then. But I still don't see a Switch version.
The wii u versions of ghosts and blops 2 werent revealed until a few months before launch. Its possible we wont hear of it till then again. Especially if sony has marketing rights again. But the other part seems credible since it seems this one will be more grounded due to the less than stellar opinions of infinite warfare
 
PS5 Specs

13 Tflops of an optmized RX VEGA 64 version.
High Performance Ryzen CPU.
16 ~32GB of ram(GDD5x or GDDR6).
2Tera Hard Drive.

Native 4k at 30fps and next gen graphics!
 

Klik

Member
I think Sony knows they don't have to make uber powerful console to have a good sales,ps4 is a perfect example of this. Realistically,final specs could be something like:

Ryzen CPU (12nm?) clocked at 2.5ghz
10TF GPU
16GB RAM

If they're really aiming at 2019 launch year it's gonna be hard to put 399$ pricetag on that considering just a year ago XB1X with almost same cpu,6tf gpu,12gb ram cost 499$. And we are here talking about new cpu,more ram and almost double the Teraflops. Not to mention RAM prices a currently pretty high.

On purely business standpoint PS4 is selling like hot cookies,more than 15m a year.Do they really need to put a new console next year? In my opinion 2020 would be much better. I think the time when we get really powerfull console (like ps3) are over. They just need to put decent cpu to last for 6-7years and then half way through console cycle release PS5 pro that will have almost double teraflops.
 

Aklamarth

Member
Maybe this is about the software side. If PS5 would be backwards compat with PS4 (and they would be idiots not to do that) , having a devkit with stable API out there could really help those cross generations games.


Hardware wise i would be very surprised if nextgen has "better" hardware compared with XBX.
 
The sooner this generation ends the better. PS4's processor doesn't handle the amount of simulation necessary for the kinds of experiences people want out of open world games and they're really holding things back. The Pro isn't better in this regard either which is what scares me if they decide to slowly phase out the base model and the Pro continues to live.

Should retain backwards compatibility given that it is x86-based but I don't want multiple years to be wasted on this "crossgen" nonsense. Give people a reason to upgrade within the first two years. I totally understand that some people feel like this gen first started but it's a necessary evil to get off this netbook-tier hardware.
 
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