mckmas8808
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DUDE! TV and Movie streaming is here and it works Perfectly! Now streaming games.....yeeeeaaaahhhh! Not ready yet. And I'd never like to stream games.
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Rumour: PS5 Devkits have released (UPDATE 25th April : 7nm chips moving to mass production)
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DUDE! TV and Movie streaming is here and it works Perfectly! Now streaming games.....yeeeeaaaahhhh! Not ready yet. And I'd never like to stream games.
THE:MILKMAN
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Like I say it just isn't for me and have tried. I like physical and to own my own stuff. I'm old......
So going back to the topic title now that GDC has finished. Any insiders heard anything about PS5 dev kits in the wild? Come on throw us damn bone!
Mobile Suit Gooch
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Anything "Interesting"?
Leocarian
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GDC kind of came in and went. Pretty lackluster this year.
MilkyJoe
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MilkyJoe
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The games were great, but they were about 200 quid each.
Klik
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Agreed.2020 or even 2021 feels perfect year to release PS5. I just don't see it coming in 2019,double the power of X1X for 399$?? No way of that happening.
MilkyJoe
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You think you're getting a 12 tflop with rysen for 399 next year? I'm not under powering anything, I'm living in reality. You're not getting it.
Fnord
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Correction - TV and movie streaming is here and it's convenient. But look at a 4K Blu-Ray and look at a 4K stream and you'll see that streaming is not "perfect." Games even less so. Games will never be a quick (from a lag standpoint) as playing locally on native hardware. It's physics.
PS4 PRO is using RX480(a bit downlocked though) that came out at the end of 2016,same time as PS4 PRO was released.RX 580 was also released just before XBOX1X and they went with that GPU. So if new AMD 7nm GPU Vega comes out in late 2018/middle 2019 i don't see why they wouldn't go for that. The mid range 7nm Vega should be at least comparable to RX 56 which has 10.5TF but it consumes 210W which is a bit high.A mid range Vega should have about 10-12TF while consuming not more than 150W. We just have to wait until next year when AMD releases 7nm GPU and pay attention to their mid range GPU line-up.I bet we'll get something like RX 670 that has 12TF while consumes less than 180W. That could possibly be GPU for ps5. Just to mention RX 380 had 3.4TF while RX 480 had 5.8TF.That's 70% Teraflop increase in just 1 year.So there is a possibilty that next flagship RX 680 will have above 16TF while RX 670 around 12TF. AMD knows we're gonna need horsepower increase for 4K which is slowly becoming mainstream.In 2 years most midrange cards should be powerful enough to run 4k on medium settings.Plus "double the power(12TF) of XBOX1X would be a good advertisement).
As far as CPU goes,it doesnt need to be THAT powerful becuse i think next gen will be 4k 30fps not 60fps.7nm AMD Zen 2 design is complete and shipping will start at the end of 2018/beginning 2019.Mobile 7nm custom PS5 with 8 cores(maybe even more?) would still be leaps and bounds better than old Jaguar cores.
Receipt for winning console generation is NOT about having the most powerful console. I think Sony and Cerny know that now and they surely will make console that will be manufactured and sold for 399$.Not too weak but definitely not very powerful.
2019 release
Mobile 7nm cpu @2.0ghz
10TF GPU
16GB GDDR6
But here i am,hoping for 499$ 2020 release with powerful 7nm 8core CPU@3.0ghz,16TF GPU and 24GB GDDR6. That would be a true next gen and we would start seeing some truly groundbreaking graphics,physics,destruction,population,density of open worlds games,better AI.
P.S Sorry for the long wall of text,beginning of next gen excites me,after that i'm all set for next 6 years
I think this is the most realistic guess on the hardware specification if the PS5 were to launch at the end of 2019. The only thing I would change is the clock speed on the CPU...
A 7nm Ryzen should comfortably hit higher than 2.0ghz even at low power. For example the Ryzen 5 2500U has a base clock of 2.0ghz and a boost of 3.6ghz at a 15W TDP on the 14nm process. I realise the 2500U is only 4 cores and the boost clock won't even be on all of them but if the CPU is manufactured on 7nm, I think we can reasonably expect a minimum of 2.5ghz
bitbydeath
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Navi is out in 2019, I’m still expecting they will go with that over Vega.
LuvOfThaGame
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Way too high of realistic expectations if PS5 is seeing 2019. If 2019 is happening, the specs and hardware would basically be set in stone by now. Right now an 8 core Ryzen processor is $279. That's already more than half the price of the console. Take into consideration contracted deals for mass production and one might conclude that $175 for Ryzen is possible for sony. That's still half the price of the console. Factor in a 12TF GPU with RAM set with the necessary bandwidth, UHD drive and the coprocessors to drive console features, ect, blah, blah, and...well...it's just not even close to being realistic at a $399 or even $499 price point. 2019 and you're getting 8 to 9TF, 16GB RAM. 2020 and that might climb to 10-12TF with 16-24GB RAM.
demigod
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I never said it’ll be $399, maybe $449 with 12TF. You underspecced it for $399.
Please stop since you obviously do not know what you’re talking about. They are not going to be putting a full fledged cpu, it’ll be an apu again.
MilkyJoe
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It's not going to be $449 next year either. X1 is only a few months old at 499, you are not getting a twice as powerful machine, with the latest APU, more RAM, for $449 next year. It's not economically viable.
Lort
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The sooner sony release the less capable the box will be, the more expensive it will be and the shorter lifespan it will have. Im really not sure why so many think soon is a good thing. Only twice the gpu and cpu of xbox one x does not a new generation make. Imho a new gen should have at least as big a jump as a mid gen refresh!
Ar¢tos
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16GB Ram might be too low for a "next-gen" console. Ps4 has 5 of GB available for games (2 for OS + 1 for DVR recording). If we are going to move to 4k textures and 4k DVR 16GB is too close to the limit. Just for DVR you will need about 4GB, unless they change it to save constantly to HDD, instead of just keeping it in the memory until the player dumps it to the HDD. 2GB for OS, that only leaves 10GB for games. With 4k textures, and bigger simulations, worlds, etc, 10GB is a bit low. 20GB is probably safer.
Zannegan
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I'll believe that the day I see EA start selling patches to upgrade Madden every year. Just because it doesn't cost the publisher as much doesn't mean they'll pass those savings on to their customers. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see it, but I just can't imagine publishers actually going for it.
Armorian
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You don't have games designed for X1X, depending 100% on it's higher clocked cpu, utilizing 9GB of memory avaible and using async same as PS4 exclusives - all games are just upgraded software that has to run on standard Xbox one., just in higher resolution/more stable framerate. Games designed natively for 10TF+ machine with more than 2x powerfull CPU WILL look much better than what we have now.
I agree that 2019 is to soon, PS4 is selling better and better every year and Sony still have pricecuts avaible if that changes.
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MilkyJoe
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That's not entirely true. There are numerous games where the X has better textures and effects than xbox and pro versions of the same game.
Stray Parts
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I think a possible 2019 PS5 will be a more mass market device, not as expensive as Xbox One X perhaps & maybe not as powerful GPU, Sony will stick with checker-boarding 4K as the smart cost saving approach and the vast bulk of console owners will not notice the difference. I suspect Sony will wait for HDMI 2.1 chips to come onto the market and that it will be part of the marketing push with real HDMI 2.1 TV's in 2019 making use of the new features. I think 4K BD is a waste of money, only worth including if it costs nothing extra over regular Blu-ray.
The Ryzen APU PS3 open source emulation demos on Youtube are interesting & no doubt Sony could do a lot better, it would be a nice gesture from Sony if the PS5 had PS3 backwards compatibility as another feather in it's cap.
The Ryzen APU PS3 open source emulation demos on Youtube are interesting & no doubt Sony could do a lot better, it would be a nice gesture from Sony if the PS5 had PS3 backwards compatibility as another feather in it's cap.
mckmas8808
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I wish I could look at 4K Blu-ray! Stupid Sony and the PS4 PRO. I love this console, but that one mistake was the dumbest thing I could ever think of.
rokkerkory
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I think Sony will always stick to the $400 price point so we need to keep that in mind with these spec guesses. $400 is plenty good enough in terms of price to perf value (look at PS4 vanilla).
Dubloon7
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i lent a buddy my 4K copy of BR2049 and he was pissed the 4k didn't run on his PS4pro. i didn't know about it, just basic dumb assumptions as the xbone can do it. LOL arrogant sony.
vpance
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Is XBX sold at cost though? I remember Pro at launch being sold at a small profit.
If Sony wants to stay aggressive they could sell PS5 at a small loss, covered by the sale of 1 or 2 games like they did with PS4. 2 years later, a node shrink, and lower profit margin with higher volume will give a lot of room to work with.
THE:MILKMAN
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Well....(don't rate him too highly to be honest!)
https://semiaccurate.com/2018/04/03/semiacccurate-gets-playstation-5next-details/ Pay walled, though.....
TBiddy
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Interesting. Excited to see the news, when it makes the rounds on the more accessible newssites. Also, there's a reason he's only a demigod. Can't be trusted
Armorian
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There are games with better textures but it's not that common, take FC5 for example - same assets on all platforms, game can't use more than 5GB for this stuff.
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Insane Metal
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Any kind soul to help us here? Hehe
Also I'm thinking about making a video about the PS5... and the info we have.
THE:MILKMAN
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The $1000 paywall pass for the full article is far too rich for me! I doubt anyone has a pass.....
Lets hope that Kotaku or Digital Foundry have a pass......
mckmas8808
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I wonder what this says.
THE:MILKMAN
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Lort
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There will be games that look basically the same on ps5 to xbox one x .. some games will look better, however this is a clear sign its nothing more than another mid term refresh. Ps4 pro is 8 gig 4tf to xbox one x 12 gig and 6tf is just as much relative difference as from xbox one x to ps5 ( 9-10tf and 16 gig ram) Anyone who thinks this will be amazing needs to look at the maths. Most games will come out for ps4 pro at 1080p xbox one x at 1440p and be 4k on ps5 all will basically have the same graphics.
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mckmas8808
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No you are forgetting that the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X are being held back back their big brothers the OG PS4 and Xbox One. The PS5 will be a clean seperation.
bitbydeath
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They’re titled semiaccurate, the example of what they previously got right is less than semi-accurate and they incorrectly spell ‘exclusive‘ wrong.
Dunno if this source is worth much.
JLMC469
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True...
Lort
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How is it a clean separation? .. its going to have the same type of cpu thats been updated the same type of gpu thats been updated .. the same games .. backwards compatibility .. likely about 2x the cpu and 2 x the gpu. Everyone already uses async shaders and gpu compute ( they did on the 360 after all) .. so the thing that matters most is gpu which is getting a small upgrade?
The only games that will be exclusive will be those that were paid for to be .. the ps3/360 generation was much longer and still had massive crossover. The difference between ps4 pro and ps5 is way to small to be considered anything other than evolutionary. 80% of games will be cross gen if not more. This is far from a “clean seperation”.
Ar¢tos
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Ps4pro/x1x games have to run on the base consoles, so devs target the common denominator and improve basic things for pro version.
PS5 games will be made targeting new hardware and will allow much better use of the performance available.
So this "2x cpu, 2x gpu" can translate into "3x cpu, 3x gpu in comparison.
rokkerkory
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CJY
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I wanted to chime in here and say that the “clean separation” being spoken of in this thread already happened with the PS4. PS4 not supporting PS1-PS3 games natively is indicative of that. Sony will likely be pragmatic going forward in the hope they can eke out at least another three solid gens out of this/similar architecture and have clean, uninterrupted BC at least until PS6.
Pragmatism is the key word. Maximum performance per pricing target is all sony is interested in. The most we can hope for is some great “bang for the buck” kind of customisation like FP16 and better dev tools to utilise those custom features more effectively.
BC is absolutely essential going into PS5. It truly the only reason I’ve no issue letting my backlog grow, as I’m fully expecting native BC the next gen. to not have it would be absolutely suicide and I will personally move the majority of my gaming over to the PC. I’ll still buy PS5 begrudgingly, but it would be damn stupid of Sony not to allow for full BC. I don’t actually believe anyone is of the impression that Sony won’t have BC in PS5, so this paragraph is relatively moot, but no BC is actually my biggest fear, so I thought it worth emphasising.
On the specs of PS5 itself, I have been blown away each time Sony has introduced new mainline PlayStation console/handheld hardware. (PS1/2/3/4, PSP & Vita) It was never necessarily about how powerful it was compared to PC or another console, but about their ingenuity, innovation and the potential of all the amazing games that devs could create on a powerful standardised piece of hardware. The PS4 is the first time that Sony had both the most powerful console plus be in the industry leading position and it is a glorious sight place to behold. I’m sure Sony recognise their unique position and will give those of us who have had PlayStations since the beginning something to be proud of. You can’t please absolutely everyone, and better that some people love and some people hate your console than for most to feel lacklustre towards it. For me anyway, 12TF is the absolute minimum with 24GB RAM. Any less than that, they shouldn’t bother just yet and wait until they can do it at the $399 price point.
Edit: I’d also like to add that even at those specs it mentioned above, it wouldn’t make me absolutely rush out to buy one, because as I said, it’s never purely about the specs. I loved PS4 for its philosophy, and the main features that sold me were: 1) DualShock 4 2)Rest mode 3)PlayGo system. Specs discussion isn’t as exciting to me anymore with Moore’s law slowing down and PC-based architecture.
Pragmatism is the key word. Maximum performance per pricing target is all sony is interested in. The most we can hope for is some great “bang for the buck” kind of customisation like FP16 and better dev tools to utilise those custom features more effectively.
BC is absolutely essential going into PS5. It truly the only reason I’ve no issue letting my backlog grow, as I’m fully expecting native BC the next gen. to not have it would be absolutely suicide and I will personally move the majority of my gaming over to the PC. I’ll still buy PS5 begrudgingly, but it would be damn stupid of Sony not to allow for full BC. I don’t actually believe anyone is of the impression that Sony won’t have BC in PS5, so this paragraph is relatively moot, but no BC is actually my biggest fear, so I thought it worth emphasising.
On the specs of PS5 itself, I have been blown away each time Sony has introduced new mainline PlayStation console/handheld hardware. (PS1/2/3/4, PSP & Vita) It was never necessarily about how powerful it was compared to PC or another console, but about their ingenuity, innovation and the potential of all the amazing games that devs could create on a powerful standardised piece of hardware. The PS4 is the first time that Sony had both the most powerful console plus be in the industry leading position and it is a glorious sight place to behold. I’m sure Sony recognise their unique position and will give those of us who have had PlayStations since the beginning something to be proud of. You can’t please absolutely everyone, and better that some people love and some people hate your console than for most to feel lacklustre towards it. For me anyway, 12TF is the absolute minimum with 24GB RAM. Any less than that, they shouldn’t bother just yet and wait until they can do it at the $399 price point.
Edit: I’d also like to add that even at those specs it mentioned above, it wouldn’t make me absolutely rush out to buy one, because as I said, it’s never purely about the specs. I loved PS4 for its philosophy, and the main features that sold me were: 1) DualShock 4 2)Rest mode 3)PlayGo system. Specs discussion isn’t as exciting to me anymore with Moore’s law slowing down and PC-based architecture.
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mckmas8808
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bitbydeath
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THE:MILKMAN
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CJY said:
I discussed this elsewhere and actually I now believe 24GB is unlikely as it would mean Sony sticking with 12 chips all generation and can't see that as Sony like to cost reduce their consoles.
So it will be either 16GB or 32GB if it is GDDR6. Maybe they will go with another RAM solution?
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Ok my spec predictions based on some quick research:
24GB GDDR6 RAM minimum
32GB likely
1TB SSHD
UHD Blu-ray
Zen 2 Ryzen Threadripper based APU
Up to 32 threads and at least 4Ghz clock minimum. Possibly 4.5 depending on the efficiency of their 7nm process and progress on Zen 3. If 2019-20 4Ghz if 2020-21, 4.5Ghz.
This will be $399.
24GB GDDR6 RAM minimum
32GB likely
1TB SSHD
UHD Blu-ray
Zen 2 Ryzen Threadripper based APU
Up to 32 threads and at least 4Ghz clock minimum. Possibly 4.5 depending on the efficiency of their 7nm process and progress on Zen 3. If 2019-20 4Ghz if 2020-21, 4.5Ghz.
This will be $399.
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Why couldn’t they go with 24? They could reduce it down to from 12 to 6 to 3
THE:MILKMAN
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Technical limitation apparently. Each RAM chip has a 32bit bus and so for 24GB on a 384bit bus you'd need 12 chips but 6 can't work on a later revision as the chips would need a 64bit bus as 6x32bit = 192bit.
Bradamante3D
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Not sure what to make of this rumor. It feels like one year too early. A six year life span would indicate a late 2019 release, so the dev kits should go out in early 2019. Then I saw Intel's recent Hades Canyon NUCs and they look really juicy to me thanks to solid gaming performance and my thinking still is that Intel's "hell froze over, pigs flew" collaboration with AMD might be their attempt to get the console market (and Apple) back. On the other hand AMD's offerings are usually cheaper and thanks to their lower market share and economic situation they should be more susceptible to pressure during negotiations. Then again, Intel has been under pressure recently too, so who knows.
demigod
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Not sure why you guys keep comparing ps5 with the x1x. X1x is overpriced. From base ps4 to ps4 pro the tflops more than doubled and the price is still $399 and thats 3 years time. 2019 will make it another 3 years so I don’t get this logic that you think it’s impossible. Who knows, it might end up at $499, but it sure as hell won’t be 9tflops.
bitbydeath
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XBX1 won’t even get games as good looking as ‘The Order 1886’ running on the OG PS4 with 1.84TF, so trying to compare what PS5 can achieve even if it released at 6TF is just silly IMO
Exactly, 12 tflops is the minimum as far as what I think will happen.
I’m expecting a minimum of 32 cu at 1.5ghz on GPU. We could see gpu performance up to 64 cu and 2gz clock with the above specs I’m predicting
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