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[joeposh]

Peak GAF was post 911 GWB/early Obama GAF. We had a good decade or so run there.

I’m not entirely sold on either Resetera or NuGAF at this point. I like the new approach to moderation here, but too many of the threads devolve to “why are liberals ruining the world”. Resetera has more content and generally is a more interesting read, but I’m scared to post anything there.

This is how I feel too. Resetera's OT feels a bit too much like a Twitter aggregator, and I miss the offbeat and personal threads from the old GAF. On the other hand, this place often feels like a certain element rushed into the ruins to reshape the echochamber to their liking instead of destroying it altogether. That said, I do generally appreciate the more hands off approach here, even if I don't always enjoy the agendas that certain members bring to the table.

Ultimately, I think both places could benefit from continued reflection and community input, and it's a shame that one board seems to be stymying that at the moment.

 

[888]

Well you could start with the guy who claimed that the Nazi salute was just a "mean gesture." Or how about the Tommy Robinson supporters? That's Tommy Robinson, ex football hooligan, ex member of the BNP and founder of the EDL. There was one nutter on here who tried to portray him as some sort of wide eyed, innocent princess who just kept on magically falling into bed with far right extremists. So yeah, let's not act like there aren't Nazi sympathisers on here.

So Tommy Robinson is the definitive line for Nazi Comparison? Just want to check because that’s not usually defined.

 

[mustardman]

Discussing what has happened at ERA is a method of self-reflection, since it shines a lot of light on the narrative of what went down. How can GAF hope to improve unless it addresses its demons that caused it to get to this state? I'm not sure what alternatives there are.

Old narrative: NeoGAF was bigoted and evil and lacking all diversity because of the actions of Evilore. Time to find a new forum.

Emerging narrative: the people responsible for a large proportion of the problems on NeoGAF went to start their own, sterile forum and the same problem emerges. Hmm...

I don't really have my heart bound up in the drama. I am a curious observer. I felt like I lost very little when I was banned ("Oh well, this is clearly not the community for me" was my reaction). But I do find it strange how posters like you seem to be trying to "keep things in check" with comments about how NeoGAF has "it's own set of problems" and while providing implications and advices on how we should be wary of succumbing to "groupthink".

If you have particular examples, speak up.

I have, check my post history. I agree resetera has a severe over moderation problem, but many people like to pretend we don't have our own problem of brigading threads and ignoring discussion to throw talking points. All I want is the best quality had possible.

New news, new thread.

And do you ever stop complaining about people discussing RE?

I have no problem discussing RE. I just want consistency in people's scolding.

 

[Snoopycat]

So Tommy Robinson is the definitive line for Nazi Comparison? Just want to check because that’s not usually defined.

Ah, the ole bullshit diversion tactic. No, Mr.Robinson is not the "definitive" line for Nazi comparison. However, as he's spent most of his life hanging out with Nazis and attacking anyone who isn't white then it should come as no surprise that he has Nazi tendencies.

 

[888]

Ah, the ole bullshit diversion tactic. No, Mr.Robinson is not the "definitive" line for Nazi comparison. However, as he's spent most of his life hanging out with Nazis and attacking anyone who isn't white then it should come as no surprise that he has Nazi tendencies.

So he has Nazi “Tendencies” but he isn’t the definitive Nazi, yet people who defend some of his beliefs but not necessarily the other “tendencies” they are Nazi Sympathizers?

Just gauging the whole Sympathizers for Nazis when he isn’t by your words a Nazi.

Not sure what is a diversion in asking a question on your line of thinking. If anything I am bringing more attention to your comment.

I think one thing is for sure, if anyone met a real Nazi they would drop this whole everyone’s a Nazi. My Wife’s Grandfather was a Nazi in WW2. Vile human being that lit one of his kids on fire and would regularly abuse the rest of them. That was his own flesh and blood, imagine what he did to others in the war. Luckily that horrible person died a little while back and no one shed a tear.

I have a hard time with the BS Nazi comparisons. So just asking for clarity. Call it a BS diversion if you want, only thing for sure is bullshit is your labeling of anyone who questions you with some smartass quip.

 

[Dunedain_Ranger]

Can we get a gaf vs era coed football or softball game going I’ll dust off the old cleats and gloves .........

 

[888]

Can we get a gaf vs era coed football or softball game going I’ll dust off the old cleats and gloves .........

I would love to see that.

 

[bucyou]

Can we get a gaf vs era coed football or softball game going I’ll dust off the old cleats and gloves .........

I immediately got the mental image of the London silly nannies from family guy as the reeeset team

 

[Dunedain_Ranger]

I immediately got the mental image of the London silly nannies from family guy as the reeeset team

Sarcastaball South Park

 

[longdi]

Millennials SJW have ruined the internet imo.

 

[Tapioca]

Resetera is straight garbage.

There is no way that they act like that in real life. It is some weird form of role-playing/larrping.

 

[Snoopycat]

So he has Nazi “Tendencies” but he isn’t the definitive Nazi, yet people who defend some of his beliefs but not necessarily the other “tendencies” they are Nazi Sympathizers?

Just gauging the whole Sympathizers for Nazis when he isn’t by your words a Nazi.

Not sure what is a diversion in asking a question on your line of thinking. If anything I am bringing more attention to your comment.

I think one thing is for sure, if anyone met a real Nazi they would drop this whole everyone’s a Nazi. My Wife’s Grandfather was a Nazi in WW2. Vile human being that lit one of his kids on fire and would regularly abuse the rest of them. That was his own flesh and blood, imagine what he did to others in the war. Luckily that horrible person died a little while back and no one shed a tear.

I have a hard time with the BS Nazi comparisons. So just asking for clarity. Call it a BS diversion if you want, only thing for sure is bullshit is your labeling of anyone who questions you with some smartass quip.

No, you're not "gauging" anything or "asking for clarity". What you're doing is playing the semantics game. It's a typical old Gaf tactic used to divert and downplay a subject. So when I called your post bullshit. It's because it was bullshit.

Anyway. Let's review.

I don't think Tommy's a Nazi. I mean, it's not as if he's ever deliberately targeted anyone because of their racial background. Oh, wait. He has.

Well, he's definitely never associated with known Nazis. Oh no, actually he's done that too.

Well, we can say for certain that he's never joined any far right hate groups with a membership comprising of Nazis. God, wrong again. He's done that too. This isn't looking good is it.

Well, we know he's definitely never gone on marches with Nazis. Wrong again. He has. In fact, marching with Nazis was one of his favourite things.

OK, well, we know he's never given any speeches that encouraged Nazis to go out and attack immigrants. Jesus. Wrong again. He has. Back in the days when he first joined the BNP, giving speeches to audiences which included members from Combat 18 and The National Front was another of his favourite things.

We're not doing too well here when it comes to disproving all these awful rumours that Tommy's a Nazi fuckbot eh, but let's keep trying.

We know for certain he's never formed any kind of extremist hate group comprised of members of other Nazi organisations. God Damn it. He's done that too.

We know he's never organised marches with the sole intention of targeting immigrants and muslims. Oh for fuck's sake.

You know who I feel sorry for? All those poor innocents who have supported Tommy and didn't realize that the man who has spent his life spreading fear and hatred against anyone who isn't white is a Nazi.

God, imagine how they'll feel when they wake up under their Swastikas.

 

[Deleted member 713885]

Anyone remember when Gaf has a "Hot Girls OT"?
It went away like right after I joined in 05-06.
It confused me cause the "Gay OT" had tons of pics of ripped dudes in skimpy clothing.

You could start to see groups taking control of the board..

Trans>>>>>>>>>>Black>>Muslim>Women is Eras current power structure.
It's a clear indication of the problems of "Diversity > Best Suited for the Job" in work/politics.

Nobody wants equality, everyone wants to be top dog and reign with an iron fist and get retribution for perceived injustices.

 

[Kacho]

Resetera is straight garbage.

There is no way that they act like that in real life. It is some weird form of role-playing/larrping.

You would think that but there have been multiple times where a poster says their dad/friend/whatever is a Trump supporter, they go to that community for advice and it’s basically “cut all ties!” They’ve conditioned themselves to think they’re normal.

 

[Tesseract]

You would think that but there have been multiple times where a poster says their dad/friend/whatever is a Trump supporter, they go to that community for advice and it’s basically “cut all ties!” They’ve conditioned themselves to think they’re normal.

that had to be one of the saddest threads i've ever read, truly tragic.

 

[entremet]

I have no beef with either forum. I enjoy them both. In the end, we're all people. We're flawed. I know I'm heavily flawed myself.

I do think ERA went a bit overboard with killing the mirth and zaniness the GAF community and offshoots have historically had. Even smaller offshoots like TheBore have a wackiness about them. You remove the shittalk you remove a key element of what made place fun.

 

[Wheeljack539]

I do think ERA went a bit overboard with killing the mirth and zaniness the GAF community and offshoots have historically had. Even smaller offshoots like TheBore have a wackiness about them. You remove the shittalk you remove a key element of what made place fun.

This. Every site has its own culture and way of doing things but Reset wanted to do that right off the bat despite the fact that 99% of it's base are GAF expats bringing along what had been the norm for them and they didn't like it.

I also still don't know whether to be amused or to shake my head whenever they bring up GAF and call it "the old place" as if still acknowledging that they're still tied to something they can't escape.

 

[Lionel Richie]

Well you could start with the guy who claimed that the Nazi salute was just a "mean gesture."

I'm not trying to be cheeky here and I'm pretty damn tired so maybe I'm missing something obvious, but how does that statement make anyone a nazi sympathiser?

 

[Christopher]

I'm not trying to be cheeky here and I'm pretty damn tired so maybe I'm missing something obvious, but how does that statement make anyone a nazi sympathiser?

It doesn’t it’s garbage, grasping at straws garbage.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

I had real family, real people, that died to real Nazi, in real Germany, in real ww2, and those that survived got liberated by soviet soldiers.

I really get worked up when some high school probably white upper middle class revolutionary starts throwing the word Nazi around as some "I disagree with you".
ZiZ does not know shit about what a Nazi is. I actually envy him for that. I would like to not know personally what Nazis are like too.

It was Actual Nazis, too. Do some of these people know how much words hold weight when they form specific sentences with them?

Actual. Let's delve into it's meaning, via Merriam Webster
Definition of actual
1a : existing in fact or reality

• actual events

• actual and imagined conditions

b : not false or apparent

• actual costs

c —used for emphasis

• This is the actual room in which my grandfather was born.

2: existing or occurring at the time

• caught in the actual commission of a crime

3obsolete : active

With that presented. I have come to the conclusion that Nazis no longer exist since they lost the war. Aside from the wannabe Neo Nazis.
Certain people using Nazi in blanket statements about the entirety of a forum is just ridiculous and lazy.

This is also not the first time. I lurk mightily and I have seen that blanket statement used by people with an axe to grind against Mr. Malka or people not satisfied with the current structure of NeoGAF.

Carry on.

 

[Domisto]

Why is it so easy to rubberneck the RE drama. I wasn't even around then and it's kinda fascinating.

Originally I was going to get in on the ground floor of RE because it looked like a popular new forum. I knew very little about the split. Then the Kingdom Come stuff blew up and I saw the banning of even questioning the politics of a game dev. Massive red flag.

Since then I joined GAF and have been slowly getting involved here instead. It'll be nice when RE is in the rear view mirror. More gaming content. More new members. etc.

Mods are headed in the right direction here. Let people chat freely and only step in when things get genuinely ugly. I like hanging out on forums about special interests because it attracts people from all walks of life and that's what makes threads fun to read.

 

[haxan7]

The ResetEra gold standard of IGN game reviews. It really does a great job highlighting all the positives of Dragon Quest XI and why I would want to play it. The whole review is just really well done and gives me a great idea what it's like to play, as someone who's never played a Dragon Quest game before.

 

[Wulfric]

this thread is hilarious y'all

 

[haxan7]

With that presented. I have come to the conclusion that Nazis no longer exist since they lost the war. Aside from the wannabe Neo Nazis.
Certain people using Nazi in blanket statements about the entirety of a forum is just ridiculous and lazy.

Carry on.

If you want to get away with behaving like an actual Nazi, it is an effective (and, might I add, Machiavellian) tactic to label your opponents Nazis. I'm just sayin.

To be clear, I'm saying the people using Nazi as a blanket term to refer to people who they disagree with politically are authoritarian (and therefore, have a lot in common with historical Nazis) fuckfaces.

Who else is the master of using Machiavellian tactics in the modern day? None other than the great facilitator of the "Nazis", president Trump himself. Can we say copycats?

 

[kevm3]

This place became much better when the communists split off and formed Reset Era. It feels fantastic not having to regurgitate the 'acceptable' opinion without getting banned. I hope those posters stay over there and this place stays free as it is now.

Let the weak minded crybabies cry and leave if they cannot stand an opinion that is contrary to theirs. I'm perfectly fine with people who have a differing opinion to my own and I can enjoy a heated debate here and there without some mod trying to come in and cut all differing opinions.

 

[5secondrulesucks]

The ResetEra gold standard of IGN game reviews. It really does a great job highlighting all the positives of Dragon Quest XI and why I would want to play it. The whole review is just really well done and gives me a great idea what it's like to play, as someone who's never played a Dragon Quest game before.

yuck. its literally irrelevant to point out that little tid bit but there it is. its like the whole review just comes to a screeching halt just to bring up this strange point

 

[C4lukin2]

I moved to ResetEra, because they promised something different from what Neogaf became.

Neogaf became super left wing, and any debate in the off topic discussion became a land mine for differing opinions.

So I thought I was being righteous by joining the new ResetEra community.

When it started everyone was super positive. It was like an oasis from very particular ideas that ruined Neogaf.

A month later it turned dark. It was ok to say fuck Israel. All police officers are pigs. Any country that went to shit was because of America. I hate using the term echo chamber, but it totally became a place where if you did not fall in line you were mercilessly attacked.

So on one drunken nite I straight up called out one of their mods. And initially one of the mods gave me a temporary ban, but another mod came in and perms banned me.

And I was not even pissed about it. Because it was just such an alien world of super angry people that I almost felt justified in my disdain.

 

[bitbydeath]

What you're doing is playing the semantics game.

It should be pretty clear that he/she is trying to understand your position on things and where you are coming from.
That's the thing about having a discussion, you need to talk back and forth and not just try shut people down immediately with labels and run for the hills.

 

[C4lukin2]

The main problem though, was that it was not fun.

It quickly became an angry mob, and the moderators were complicit in it.

Whatever problems I had with Neogaf, just got sucked away. I was one of those who abandoned this forum. As a moderate white male Jew, this forum was a hard place to be at times. But those idiots took it to another level.

 

[haxan7]

I have no beef with either forum. I enjoy them both. In the end, we're all people. We're flawed. I know I'm heavily flawed myself.

I do think ERA went a bit overboard with killing the mirth and zaniness the GAF community and offshoots have historically had. Even smaller offshoots like TheBore have a wackiness about them. You remove the shittalk you remove a key element of what made place fun.

I myself am without flaw.

Old NeoGAF had the same problems as ResetEra as far back as 2010/2011, although not with the same level of constant mod enforcement of the smallest, most barely perceptible things. Things so small it almost seems like the people doing the perceiving are experiencing delusions.

For example, even though I am perfect and without flaw, my original GAF account, dating back to the early 2000s, was permabanned on first offense for some minor thing.

I am still trying to forgive for this but hey, maybe I'm not perfect after all.

yuck. its literally irrelevant to point out that little tid bit but there it is. its like the whole review just comes to a screeching halt just to bring up this strange point

During the whole review, it sounds like the reviewer either had his balls cut off, or is trying really hard to give the impression his balls are gone.

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

I have to confess, I didnt want to sign up for Neogaf before because I couldnt stand half the topics that have nothing to do but stir up racial, political, gender crap. Once this whole migration to Resetera happened, as someone that watched over Neogaf for a long time, Neo is such a chill and relaxed forum now which just tells me the problem were the people, not forum rules. A bunch of pitchfork-ready individuals who couldnt have a normal conversation, instead they followed the leader, like a parrot repeating the same thing even though their opinion differed, because you dont want to be that guy that disagrees. Now that place is Resetera, its exactly what old GAF was, glad most of them personally requested a perma ban, now enjoy your Utopia.

 

[kevm3]

Neogaf WAS what ResetEra is now. The elements that made NeoGaf an echo chamber went over there thankfully, and I hope they stay over there instead of coming back and begging for more moderation when someone has an opinion that is contrary to their own. There's an ignore feature here that can be used to powerful effect.

 

[brap]

The ResetEra gold standard of IGN game reviews. It really does a great job highlighting all the positives of Dragon Quest XI and why I would want to play it. The whole review is just really well done and gives me a great idea what it's like to play, as someone who's never played a Dragon Quest game before.

I have a habit of reading youtube comments before watching the video lol

Spoiler

WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU SPEED THROUGH DIALOG IN AN RPG
And the stereotypical male game person complaining about the bunny outfits and "some icky bits" smh

 

[C4lukin2]

Neogaf became that as it became bigger.

But it was never as bad as ResetEra is now.

You would get a ban on Neogaf for creating shit threads, being a constant console warrior, or just straight up attacking another member in a vile manner.

You would not, at least typically, get banned for being insensitive to a topic you disagreed with. And by insensitive I mean mearly questioning the validity of someone’s argument, even if done politely.

 

[kevm3]

Neogaf of old was every bit as bad as reset era is now. The reason NeoGaf is much more tolerable now is because the mods from Neogaf that produced the echo chamber migrated to reset

 

[Chiggs]

Resetera is the saddest fucking thing in the history of the internet.

 

[hecatomb]

Resetera is the saddest fucking thing in the history of the internet.

I'm not sure if its as bad as gaiaonline

 

[Acerac]

I am not a professional but I have a heartbreaking amount of personal experience with what I'm about to propose, so take it from that (limited) perspective of course:

It's narcissistic personality disorder. There has been a steep rise (or perhaps just a sharp "realization") in the LGBTQ+ community concerning this exact issue over the past decade. Vulnerable people who joined the community in order to find identity and support were instead given a leash and abused by outspoken, prominent members. There has been a rise of "getting rid of the toxic people in your life" among my Left friends over the past several years. People are realizing that within any movement -- even movements aimed at bringing harmony, equality, positive image, etc -- there will be wolves. There will always be wolves.

And unlike other groups who've had to protect themselves against wolves for hundreds of years, the LGBTQ+ community and radical Left-leaning Progressive community are pretty new to this. They have a simplified, naive view of how these things go. It's often why you'll get nothing but blank stares when you mention historical events that mirror their own behavior (many of them are not well-educated people, objectively speaking).

These communities on "the Left" are experiencing what is called "the discard phase" in an abusive narcissistic relationship. Former allies who had a prominent voice (blacks, gays, cis white women) are being shushed in favor of people higher on the identity totem pole. Why? Because their identity isn't "worth" as much to the narcissist who is only doing this to feed on emotional energy.

(and I do want to make the distinction: narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is more than just "a huge ego". It is a non-hereditary mental condition typically brought on by traumatic and sustained childhood abuse. It is characterized by a person who will lie, smile, scream, humiliate, mock, flatter, ignore, and obsess over a person for the sole purpose of extracting their "drama" i.e. get them riled up or make them swoon. It makes no difference to the narcissist if the attention is positive or negative. They just want attention.)

I sincerely can not thank you enough, I have been going through mental trauma for years now and because of this post I have unearthed many answers to questions I have held.

I can not express enough how grateful I am; you may have legitimately just made a huge difference in my life.

I am sorry to everyone I have hurt because of my ignorance of this subject. If only I had known years ago, at least things would have been much cleaner to separate.

Thank you. Thank you a thousand times.

 

[Punished Miku]

I'm just going to enjoy it while it lasts over here. Once they see that we're having fun, productive discussions and enjoying ourselves, they'll try their hardest to infiltrate and ruin it like they do everything else.

The mods here are fantastic, and seem very down to earth.

 

[ULTROS!]

“People tend to complicate their own lives, as if living weren't already complicated enough.”
- Carlos Ruiz Zafón, The Shadow of the Wind

 

[Rabid Dwarf 76]

The ResetEra gold standard of IGN game reviews. It really does a great job highlighting all the positives of Dragon Quest XI and why I would want to play it. The whole review is just really well done and gives me a great idea what it's like to play, as someone who's never played a Dragon Quest game before.

Ah yes...those damn "icky bits." How will I ever enjoy Dragon Quest when it has women in bunny suits?

 

[hecatomb]

Ah yes...those damn "icky bits." How will I ever enjoy Dragon Quest when it has women in bunny suits?

whats funny is how he left out a part with a prince and the only reason why girls like him cause he looks good. And a guy takes his gf to the town, he steps in accidentally horse poop, and she breaks up with him, all while just yelling at him while he's about to curl up into a ball. The puff puff is pretty funny, cause she's not the one who does it.

 

[caffeware]

“People tend to complicate their own lives, as if living weren't already complicated enough.”
- Carlos Ruiz Zafón, The Shadow of the Wind

Glad to see you Ultros.

 

[Andyliini]

I was asleep when shit hit the fan in October 2017 and woke up to NeoGAF being offline. Little by little I understood what was going on, but I missed the great fallout, of which Evilore's pictures really show how it was. Anyway, I read about this ResetEra thing for the first time when GAF was still down, some ramblings on Twitter or something.

Anyway, for all this time I have feeling of wearing a tinfoil hat, but never outright said it to anyone, but somehow it always felt like the fallout was more or less organized, considering how quickly it all happened. Does anyone else feel like there was more than met the eye going on in the background? I personally never left GAF, as I felt that what begins from a backstab, will probably end in one also. As soon as December hit, and I saw Era's "discussions" of Xenoblade Chronicles 2, I knew things are not going to be pretty over there.

Anyway, just my two cents.

 

[BraveOne]

Can you point to the Nazi sympathizers on this board?

Its not hard to find people who support Nazi's when its a matter of " Free Speech" , look at the Charlottesville threads.

Plus i remember a user who said he enjoyed the company of Skinheads, i believe the mods even gave him a custom tag aswell afterwards , but for something unrelated.

 

[petran79]

I think one thing is for sure, if anyone met a real Nazi they would drop this whole everyone’s a Nazi. My Wife’s Grandfather was a Nazi in WW2. Vile human being that lit one of his kids on fire and would regularly abuse the rest of them. That was his own flesh and blood, imagine what he did to others in the war. Luckily that horrible person died a little while back and no one shed a tear.
.

One does not need to be a Nazi to do that stuff. Those times were dark and harsh in general. Domestic abuse and family violence were common, especially in the countryside. If you had 10 kids to feed especially.
I was told that one of my ultraconservative greatgrandfathers tried to set his son on fire during a heated argument. Another killed his son with one blow and went unpunished. He also took part in the Greek-Turkish war in 1920s and out of anger slaughtered a prisoner with his gun blade.
The irony is that the former saved the latters life. He fell off a cliff and there was no doctor in the region. He carried the injured person home, slaughtered one of his male goats and covered him with the raw skin for disinfinfection. Thar was not an easy thing to do back then

 

[Supreme Allah]

I was perma banned on Resetera a couple weeks ago, they accused me of "homophobia" because I agreed with another user that "it felt forced" that Naughty Dog made Ellie gay.

 

[longdi]

Too bad the football OT group left for RE.

 

[longdi]

I was perma banned on Resetera a couple weeks ago, they accused me of "homophobia" because I agreed with another user that "it felt forced" that Naughty Dog made Ellie gay.

Thought so too. Same with BFV female skins.

 

[Christopher]

I was perma banned on Resetera a couple weeks ago, they accused me of "homophobia" because I agreed with another user that "it felt forced" that Naughty Dog made Ellie gay.

So where was it that you were homophobic? Banning because of disagreements or ideas is so awful my god