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[Mr Hyde]

Is it really that big Switch passes PS4 in Japan?

I didn´t say that. I just said Switch is closing the gap. But doing those numbers in 2 years and PS4 doing in 5, yeah I´d say that is pretty impressive. Considering Japan is a hard sell in current climate. 40 mil may be a stretch but it´s far from impossible. Switch is doing crazy numbers no matter how you try to spin it ain´t.

 

[TLZ]

I didn´t say that. I just said Switch is closing the gap. But doing those numbers in 2 years and PS4 doing in 5, yeah I´d say that is pretty impressive. Considering Japan is a hard sell in current climate. 40 mil may be a stretch but it´s far from impossible. Switch is doing crazy numbers no matter how you try to spin it ain´t.

You just said exactly what I was saying. Except it's not impressive. It's expected. Give me one Nintendo portable that didn't do well in Japan. None. That's why I'm saying it isn't big a deal. The impressive part would be if it was a home console only selling these numbers.

And I'm not trying to spin anything. I just don't like exaggerating and blowing things out of proportion. It is a good portable machine. Nintendo always did great with their portables. It has the staples; Mario, Zelda, Kart, Pokemon, Smash, etc. It has a good number of third parties. So this will expectedly sell a lot.

The silly part is comparing it to a home console only that Japan has low interest in, like it's an achievement of any sort. We know they're big on portables. We all know its portability is its selling point, because it is one. Maybe compare it to another Nintendo portable to be fair, and see how well it's doing. Or compare it to a combined portable and home console, like 3ds+Wii u, or DS+Wii. Or hey, maybe the PSP, because it had a TV out. Maybe that would work better?

 

[haxan7]

The thread title says Resuts

 

[octiny]

Ah, good 'ol sonygaf.

When PS4 doesn't sell as much as they thought = They must've held back

Guess we'll find out w/ the Dec. NPD

Either way, good numbers all around. Switch doing work & astounding numbers for the system with no "exclusives".

 

[AlexxKidd]

Ah, good 'ol sonygaf.

When PS4 doesn't sell as much as they thought = They must've held back

Guess we'll find out w/ the Dec. NPD

Either way, good numbers all around. Switch doing work & astounding numbers for the system with no "exclusives".

Switch has plenty of "exclusives," thats the reason why its selling so well. Games. It certainly isnt because it's the "most powerful console."

And not sure why youre talking about the Switch's "outstanding" numbers but shitting on the PS4. If the Switch's numbers are outstanding than the PS4's must be astronomical because if you look you will see it sold more.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Ah, good 'ol sonygaf.

When PS4 doesn't sell as much as they thought = They must've held back

Guess we'll find out w/ the Dec. NPD

Either way, good numbers all around. Switch doing work & astounding numbers for the system with no "exclusives".

Is this what we call console insecurity?

 

[Clear]

Is this what we call console insecurity?

Well, Xbox being 3rd in a field of 3, in its historically strongest month in its strongest market isn't exactly great news!

Also it might be worth considering if the ratio's are based on revenue or units sold, because with the mid-gen consoles in the mix it makes a big difference.

 

[Mattyp]

Do people really believe Sony with hold stock? And for what reason before March financial?

The numbers all expected I just can’t believe how well the switch continues to sell in the US compared to here where they just don’t sell at all compared to the others.

 

[AlexxKidd]

Well, Xbox being 3rd in a field of 3, in its historically strongest month in its strongest market isn't exactly great news!

Also it might be worth considering if the ratio's are based on revenue or units sold, because with the mid-gen consoles in the mix it makes a big difference.

The number in the OP are 100% units sold. So in all likelyhood when the NPD numbers are released Tuesday the PS4 will lead in units sold ($200 Spidey bundle) but lose in revenue to the Switch or less likely but possible Xbox (this assumes that a high percentage of those units are XB1X).

 

[Mooreberg]

What are the prior precedents for a market leader from one generation vs. a much newer product that is selling well? Did PS2 outsell Xbox 360 in 2006, did Wii outsell PS4 in 2014? Is there some reason to expect something in it's sixth holiday to outsell another system in it's second? It seems kinda obvious that eventually a newer platform would outsell something sitting at 80 million units. Nobody is hitting PS2 numbers unless/until BRIC markets can make up for Japan collpasing. Even that isn't a certainty if most people went straight to phones instead of consoles and PCs.

 

[demigod]

Ah, good 'ol sonygaf.

When PS4 doesn't sell as much as they thought = They must've held back

Guess we'll find out w/ the Dec. NPD

Either way, good numbers all around. Switch doing work & astounding numbers for the system with no "exclusives".

Do people really believe Sony with hold stock? And for what reason before March financial?

The numbers all expected I just can’t believe how well the switch continues to sell in the US compared to here where they just don’t sell at all compared to the others.

Because they do, just like last year. You do realize the spiderman bundles were sold out within an hour it going online everytime right? Its called profit margin, something Sony likes unlike MS and their firesale year long.

 

[woigemok]

Because they do, just like last year. You do realize the spiderman bundles were sold out within an hour it going online everytime right? Its called profit margin, something Sony likes unlike MS and their firesale year long.

And yet Nintendo Switch is the first in revenue. Nintendo can sell more than 10Million MK8D+Switch at 199$ in a month if they cared about unit number like Sony with spiderman bundled.

Sony held back is nothing but a damage control by fanboys.
December is looking grim for PS4 with Smash Ultimate + Nintendo December ultra instinct and rip in advance for that

Nintendo Switch is going to win in 2018 hardware sales like what had Matt(NPD) predicted earlier.

Xenoblade 2 ~ 200K = 1.5Million Hardware in December 2017
Smash Ultimate ~ 4-5 million = ????? Hardware in December 2018

 

[flashfire926]

Well, Xbox being 3rd in a field of 3, in its historically strongest month in its strongest market isn't exactly great news!

Also it might be worth considering if the ratio's are based on revenue or units sold, because with the mid-gen consoles in the mix it makes a big difference.

1) We know for sure this is based on units sold.

2) Winning means jack shit, what matters is that your consoles sell well, and the net income is in the green by a good margin. Rest is just gravy.

 

[Mochilador]

What's up with the Pokémon names? What does it mean?

 

[woigemok]

PS4 is likely to end up in the last place in December without the inclusion of cyber Monday this time plus no good bundled like last year.
Below 1M this year is my prediction.

 

[demigod]

And yet Nintendo Switch is the first in revenue. Nintendo can sell more than 10Million MK8D+Switch at 199$ in a month if they cared about unit number like Sony with spiderman bundled.

Sony held back is nothing but a damage control by fanboys.
December is looking grim for PS4 with Smash Ultimate + Nintendo December ultra instinct and rip in advance for that

Nintendo Switch is going to win in 2018 hardware sales like what had Matt(NPD) predicted earlier.

Xenoblade 2 ~ 200K = 1.5Million Hardware in December 2017
Smash Ultimate ~ 4-5 million = ????? Hardware in December 2018

I see you visit the other site, then you should know its a fact that the spiderman bundle sold out. Plus you would know this if you were in the Black Friday deals thread on here.

Since you like Matt, i'll give you some of his tweets.

Seems a bunch of people have forgotten that PS4 sold out during holiday last year. This year's deals are more attractive, as is the PS4 Slim Spider-Man bundle. Will Sony produce enough to satiate demand is the big question.
8:33 AM - 1 Nov 2018


I have not seen a single unit of the Marvel's Spider-Man PS4 $199 bundle anywhere.
8:22 AM - 23 Nov 2018

Holiday purchases are more price sensitive so I get that, also Pro supply has been spotty for a few months.

 

[TLZ]

And yet Nintendo Switch is the first in revenue. Nintendo can sell more than 10Million MK8D+Switch at 199$ in a month if they cared about unit number like Sony with spiderman bundled.

Sony held back is nothing but a damage control by fanboys.
December is looking grim for PS4 with Smash Ultimate + Nintendo December ultra instinct and rip in advance for that

Nintendo Switch is going to win in 2018 hardware sales like what had Matt(NPD) predicted earlier.

Xenoblade 2 ~ 200K = 1.5Million Hardware in December 2017
Smash Ultimate ~ 4-5 million = ????? Hardware in December 2018

Stop being a child.

 

[woigemok]

I see you visit the other site, then you should know its a fact that the spiderman bundle sold out. Plus you would know this if you were in the Black Friday deals thread on here.

Since you like Matt, i'll give you some of his tweets.

Seems a bunch of people have forgotten that PS4 sold out during holiday last year. This year's deals are more attractive, as is the PS4 Slim Spider-Man bundle. Will Sony produce enough to satiate demand is the big question.
8:33 AM - 1 Nov 2018


I have not seen a single unit of the Marvel's Spider-Man PS4 $199 bundle anywhere.
8:22 AM - 23 Nov 2018

Holiday purchases are more price sensitive so I get that, also Pro supply has been spotty for a few months.

Nintendo sold out MK8D Switch bundled at 300$.

It doesn't take a genius if Nintendo had more MK8D bundled during BF and CM week they will take this month but they didn't because they cared more about profit than useless unit number like Sony.

 

[woigemok]

Stop being a child.

By stating a fact. Truth hurt I guess

 

[TLZ]

By stating a fact. Truth hurt I guess

Looks like I did state a fact.

 

[demigod]

By stating a fact. Truth hurt I guess

Which fact? You were wrong and i proved it.

 

[woigemok]

Which fact? You were wrong and i proved it.

Your proof is nothing more than sony shipped a target number of promotional price hardware than Nintendo but Nintendo cared more about revenue than Sony hence Nintendo is the no.1 in this month for revenue.

Can't wait to see your reaction when PS4 is far behind Switch in December and to see your spin and damage control about it.

 

[ethomaz]

And yet Nintendo Switch is the first in revenue. Nintendo can sell more than 10Million MK8D+Switch at 199$ in a month if they cared about unit number like Sony with spiderman bundled.

Sony held back is nothing but a damage control by fanboys.
December is looking grim for PS4 with Smash Ultimate + Nintendo December ultra instinct and rip in advance for that

Nintendo Switch is going to win in 2018 hardware sales like what had Matt(NPD) predicted earlier.

Xenoblade 2 ~ 200K = 1.5Million Hardware in December 2017
Smash Ultimate ~ 4-5 million = ????? Hardware in December 2018

I don’t understand your comparison... Switch is more expensive than PS4 Slim so unless Nintendo eats loses with each unit sold you won’t see $199 until nVidia shrink Tegra.

Sony has a set number of $199 units because they don’t want to eat that low margin for high volume of sales.

December was always suppose to be a Switch month.

The biggest surprise this November was how much Sony hold the $199 units but if you read the financial they said they will have less promotion this late of year to have more margin of profits and that really show the numbers.

 

[demigod]

You funny dawg. Only reason why Xbox is that close is because PS4 was supply constrained as usual. Don't be surprised if Xbox beats PS4 in December, you can buy both Xboxs for $100 off.

Your proof is nothing more than sony shipped a target number of promotional price hardware than Nintendo but Nintendo cared more about revenue than Sony hence Nintendo is the no.1 in this month for revenue.

Can't wait to see your reaction when PS4 is far behind Switch in December and to see your spin and damage control about it.

This guy, lol. Switch will be #1 in December, just like last year. The fact that you're arguing that PS4 wasn't supply constrained but in the same thread saying Nintendo was supply constrained. Both were sold out. Had they had shipped more, both would be higher number but PS4 would most likely be on top still.

 

[TLZ]

Your proof is nothing more than sony shipped a target number of promotional price hardware than Nintendo but Nintendo cared more about revenue than Sony hence Nintendo is the no.1 in this month for revenue.

Can't wait to see your reaction when PS4 is far behind Switch in December and to see your spin and damage control about it.

The console is soaring, over 86 million sold, will possibly hit 90 million soon.

Damage control don't exist here. Or maybe you're just creating whatever argument so you can use that phrase?

 

[ethomaz]

Nintendo sold out MK8D Switch bundled at 300$.

It doesn't take a genius if Nintendo had more MK8D bundled during BF and CM week they will take this month but they didn't because they cared more about profit than useless unit number like Sony.

But Sony didn’t care about unit number too that is because they shipped few $199 units... less than last year... hell they even said they will have less promotion to focus um profit margins.

Or do you think all high PS4 sales without any discount though the year was Sony thinking about units too?

Think a bit before post because you are making no sense.

 

[woigemok]

This guy, lol. Switch will be #1 in December, just like last year. The fact that you're arguing that PS4 wasn't supply constrained but in the same thread saying Nintendo was supply constrained. Both were sold out. Had they had shipped more, both would be higher number but PS4 would most likely be on top still.

ROFL, using "IF" as the main arguments and Supply constrained logic
Just take the L dude.

 

[woigemok]

LTD 21 months
PS4-8.38
XBO-7.66
NSW-8.73
3DS-6.40

what a monster!

 

[octiny]

Switch has plenty of "exclusives," thats the reason why its selling so well. Games. It certainly isnt because it's the "most powerful console."

And not sure why youre talking about the Switch's "outstanding" numbers but shitting on the PS4. If the Switch's numbers are outstanding than the PS4's must be astronomical because if you look you will see it sold more.

Lol that comment was for MS. Which sold incredible for a console with no "exclusives". It's pretty clear exclusives aren't what sells consoles to the majority outside of Nintendo consoles, going against the sonygaf narrative on here.

Regarding PS4 numbers, they're solid but disappointing especially in comparison as it only eked out a victory versus dominating the month. It has simply plateaued, with a rather notable decrease YOY. In comparison to Nintendo with a +75 percent YOY on minimal bundle sales in Nov., hence the "outstanding" comment.

Because they do, just like last year. You do realize the spiderman bundles were sold out within an hour it going online everytime right? Its called profit margin, something Sony likes unlike MS and their firesale year long.

Clearly, we all know they love their profit margins after being on the verge of bankruptcy from the PS3.

Regarding MS and their "firesale year long", wouldn't that mean Nov. would've been disappointing? Case in point, they had extremely similar Nov. bundle deals to Sony, on top of charging $100 more on their mid-refresh system. Let's not forget that the X has been the best-selling SKU for MS multiple months now. I'll let you off the hook for the triggered comment though.

In regards to profit margins, selling consoles allow you to be ABLE to achieve profit, they aren't the benefactor. Services & software are. If you think Sony wouldn't want to cut margins by being able to eek out more subscription based services by selling more consoles around christmas, the two biggest months of the year, then you're more delusional than I thought.

In any event, December will be an easy tell sign that this "spiderman bundle" has little to do with anything .

 

[woigemok]

December is going to get ugly and some posters here will be gone during that NPD result.
They will blame Sony for not shipping more Spiderman bundle
Smash Ultimate + Switch at 360$ > Spiderman PS4 at 199$ in December.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2018/videogames/ref=zg_bsar_cal_ye

Smash Ultimate is going to rank as the highest selling exclusive in a debut Month rip spiderman and gow.

 

[demigod]

ROFL, using "IF" as the main arguments and Supply constrained logic
Just take the L dude.

Be a man, admit you were wrong.

Clearly, we all know they love their profit margins after being on the verge of bankruptcy from the PS3.

Regarding MS and their "firesale year long", wouldn't that mean Nov. would've been disappointing? Case in point, they had extremely similar Nov. bundle deals to Sony, on top of charging $100 more on their mid-refresh system. Let's not forget that the X has been the best-selling SKU for MS multiple months now. I'll let you off the hook for the triggered comment though.

In regards to profit margins, selling consoles allow you to be ABLE to achieve profit, they aren't the benefactor. Services & software are. If you think Sony wouldn't want to cut margins by being able to eek out more subscription based services by selling more consoles around christmas, the two biggest months of the year, then you're more delusional than I thought.

In any event, December will be an easy tell sign that this "spiderman bundle" has little to do with anything .

You are delusional. I backed my shit up with facts about Sony not shipping enough. One X was NOT $100 more than the pro during that week. It was $100 off at the same $399 price. Hell last week Fry's had the One X at $399 PLUS a $50 giftcard. Also here. You can stop spewing bs.

Profit margins matter as well as numbers sold. Notice why there's no more $199 bundles? Notice why Switch is still $299? GEE I WONDER WHY.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

NPD threads always show who the true console warriors are.

When someone's corporate defending extends to sales, profits and armchair demand planning analysis, they got issues.

You got the 3 console makers all doing pretty well, all 3 companies seem happy with their gaming division's performance and somehow console warriors on a video game forum will pigeon hole winners and losers like they are company accountants. Geez

Sometimes I think the extreme fans HAVE TO BE employees.

 

[woigemok]

The SDF in this thread is a sight to behold. Dec is going to be a nuclear meltdown for that group

 

[mckmas8808]

NPD threads always show who the true console warriors are.

When someone's corporate defending extends to sales, profits and armchair demand planning analysis, they got issues.

You got the 3 console makers all doing pretty well, all 3 companies seem happy with their gaming division's performance and somehow console warriors on a video game forum will pigeon hole winners and losers like they are company accountants. Geez

Sometimes I think the extreme fans HAVE TO BE employees.

Either that or they have stock in the company. But also......the NPD threads are for talking about profit margins and planning analysis. It's one of the key points of all NPD threads. And we know the planning to some degree, because these companies say it publically on earning calls and in interviews.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Either that or they have stock in the company. But also......the NPD threads are for talking about profit margins and planning analysis. It's one of the key points of all NPD threads. And we know the planning to some degree, because these companies say it publically on earning calls and in interviews.

Really?

So where's all the earnings calls detailing console profitability analysis, supply and demand inventory levels, and purposely holding back inventory (for Dec) for the month of November by all 3 companies?

 

[octiny]

Be a man, admit you were wrong.



You are delusional. I backed my shit up with facts about Sony not shipping enough. One X was NOT $100 more than the pro during that week. It was $100 off at the same $399 price. Hell last week Fry's had the One X at $399 PLUS a $50 giftcard. Also here. You can stop spewing bs.

Profit margins matter as well as numbers sold. Notice why there's no more $199 bundles? Notice why Switch is still $299? GEE I WONDER WHY.

What facts did you spew? Lol.

#1 There were a few places selling the Pro @ at nearly $100 discount on Cyber monday, if you knew where to look ( ex. Google Express $320). In fact, there were multiple Pro bundles on sale worldwide in general.

#2 Everybody & their mom was buying the spiderman bundle /s, Again, there were multiple $199 bundle sales going on everywhere for PS4. A $40 game isn't a make or break. In fact, I would reckon a lot of the sales are simply from resellers and/or people looking to make a back-end profit as usual on BF. Furthermore, they were sold out online as you noted, however, there was plenty of stock in actual stores as noted by instocknow.com if you had cared to look. They simply allotted a certain amount, with a crap ton reserved for "in-store" only. Typically holiday ploy, to get you to the actual store in hopes you buy more stuff.

#3 Nintendo still sales the switch @ $299 because it hasn't plateaued like the PS4. Which is why it's a rarity you actually see bundles deals. You're essentially debating yourself at this point lol. Under your strategy, you're saying a for-profit company such as Sony is content with sales that have plateaued? They aren't interested in selling more software & subscriptions, around the two biggest sales months of the year, especially entering into next-gen? Okay .

 

[demigod]

What facts did you spew? Lol.

#1 There were a few places selling the Pro @ at nearly $100 discount on Cyber monday, if you knew where to look ( ex. Google Express $320). In fact, there were multiple Pro bundles on sale worldwide in general.

#2 Everybody & their mom was buying the spiderman bundle /s, Again, there were multiple $199 bundle sales going on everywhere for PS4. A $40 game isn't a make or break. In fact, I would reckon a lot of the sales are simply from resellers and/or people looking to make a back-end profit as usual on BF. Furthermore, they were sold out online as you noted, however, there was plenty of stock in actual stores as noted by instocknow.com if you had cared to look. They simply allotted a certain amount, with a crap ton reserved for "in-store" only. Typically holiday ploy, to get you to the actual store in hopes you buy more stuff.

#3 Nintendo still sales the switch @ $299 because it hasn't plateaued like the PS4. Which is why it's a rarity you actually see bundles deals. You're essentially debating yourself at this point lol. Under your strategy, you're saying a for-profit company such as Sony is content with sales that have plateaued? They aren't interested in selling more software & subscriptions, around the two biggest sales months of the year, especially entering into next-gen? Okay .

Oh boy, you're still going in circles . Profit margin matters, how hard is that for you to understand? Its the same reason why, let me repeat that, the Switch is still priced at $299. It's the same reason why Nintendo games are rarely discounted compared to Xbox and PS4 games. If profit margin's didn't matter, Sony would still be stocking $199 Spiderman bundles.

 

[octiny]

Oh boy, you're still going in circles . Profit margin matters, how hard is that for you to understand? Its the same reason why, let me repeat that, the Switch is still priced at $299. It's the same reason why Nintendo games are rarely discounted compared to Xbox and PS4 games. If profit margin's didn't matter, Sony would still be stocking $199 Spiderman bundles.

Clearly, everything is going over your head but I digress

 

[woigemok]

Clearly, everything is going over your head but I digress

He's still going to spin about Sony is holding back spiderman bundle. Let's see his tone when PS4 in the last place in December

 

[Mattyp]

Because they do, just like last year. You do realize the spiderman bundles were sold out within an hour it going online everytime right? Its called profit margin, something Sony likes unlike MS and their firesale year long.

They have limited sales stock, they still have ACTUAL STOCK ON SHELVES. People are acting like there isn't Playstations sitting on the shelf and that's why they don't hit the numbers, there is still sales and there is still stock.

Oh boy thinking Sony knows more about profit than Microsoft... The vast majority of profit from consoles is software sales, moving as many consoles as possible even only making $5 a console makes far more sense than missing out on any buyer.

 

[octiny]

Oh boy thinking Sony knows more about profit than Microsoft... The vast majority of profit from consoles is software sales, moving as many consoles as possible even only making $5 a console makes far more sense than missing out on any buyer.

Unfortunately, some people fail to realize that gaining monthly guaranteed subscription profits from say PS+, Gold, Gamepass, PSNow etc. along with software sales far outweigh the loss of minimal hardware profits in the short & long run. Profits revolve around the ecosystem, not the hardware in today's world. Now obviously a company wouldn't want to pull a PS3, but I think the point gets across.

 

[demigod]

He's still going to spin about Sony is holding back spiderman bundle. Let's see his tone when PS4 in the last place in December

Still talking to yourself I see. Nobody thinks Sony will #1 in December nor is anyone disputing it. Switch will be #1 and PS4 will most likely be #3.

They have limited sales stock, they still have ACTUAL STOCK ON SHELVES. People are acting like there isn't Playstations sitting on the shelf and that's why they don't hit the numbers, there is still sales and there is still stock.

Oh boy thinking Sony knows more about profit than Microsoft... The vast majority of profit from consoles is software sales, moving as many consoles as possible even only making $5 a console makes far more sense than missing out on any buyer.

We're talking about $199 Spiderman bundles, there are no more. This is clearly wrong. Yes its true software sales matters most but hardware profit matters as well. Hence why Nintendo never sells their console for a loss. Care to explain why Sony still hasn't fully dropped the price of the PS4 to $199 yet?

 

[AlexxKidd]

Regarding PS4 numbers, they're solid but disappointing especially in comparison as it only eked out a victory versus dominating the month. It has simply plateaued, with a rather notable decrease YOY. In comparison to Nintendo with a +75 percent YOY on minimal bundle sales in Nov., hence the "outstanding" comment.

Significantly down? Ahh, I see, so you're just a full of shit poster. PS4 is +3.5% YoY. They are up. Yet you said they are "significantly down." So some kind of way being up = significantly down.

And you thought you'd get away with throwing something like that into your bullshit argument to make some type of point, but the only thing it got you was exposed.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Significantly down? Ahh, I see, so you're just a full of shit poster. PS4 is +3.5% YoY. They are up. Yet you said they are "significantly down." So some kind of way being up = significantly down.

And you thought you'd get away with throwing something like that into your bullshit argument to make some type of point, but the only thing it got you was exposed.

Where are you getting +3.5% from? PS4 Nov sales are down 13% vs. Nov 2017, while Switch is +75% as Octiny got from the OP.

YoY:
Switch: +75%
3DS: -39%
PS4: -13%
XBO: -3%
Other: -6%

 

[octiny]

Significantly down? Ahh, I see, so you're just a full of shit poster. PS4 is +3.5% YoY. They are up. Yet you said they are "significantly down." So some kind of way being up = significantly down.

And you thought you'd get away with throwing something like that into your bullshit argument to make some type of point, but the only thing it got you was exposed.

Kind of funny to see Sonygaf get so hostile. Ah, reminds me of another site.

Lol they are down YOY for November. This is after all, a November NPD thread. If you put the last 2 sentences together with Nintendo's +75, surely you could've figured that one out yourself by putting two & two together.

Edit: I also said notable decrease (not significantly down). Putting words in people's mouths doesn't make your post come across any better.

https://wikidiff.com/notable/significant

 

[Mattyp]

We're talking about $199 Spiderman bundles, there are no more. This is clearly wrong. Yes its true software sales matters most but hardware profit matters as well. Hence why Nintendo never sells their console for a loss. Care to explain why Sony still hasn't fully dropped the price of the PS4 to $199 yet?

I never once brought up spiderman bundles or commented about them in my original post you quoted tho, Nintendo have to rely on hardware profit they as a company have no income of any other source in video games besides their first party lineup. Multiplat software sales go to xbox and playstation, and they have no online services or subscription services worth anything.

I'm honestly surprised they haven't yet, the online subscription they generate for one year of PSN and two game sales then continue to generate with an ongoing customer is worth the loss. I'm sure Sony still not being in the financial situation they used to be in plus being the market leader they can continue to hold off until next year and still ship units.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Kind funny to see Sonygaf get so hostile. Ah, reminds me of another site.

Lol they are down YOY for November. This is after all, a November NPD thread. If you put the last 2 sentences together with Nintendo's +75, surely you could've figured that one out yourself.

Sony defenders are strong in this NPD.

I think what happened was they were thinking PS4 would destroy Xbox One and Switch as everyone was bringing up $200 Spidey bundles as if that was the only console sold in the US in November..... and that even ignores all other Sony console variations.

They were expecting a victory by 3 TDs, but won by a FG in OT.

 

[Kagey K]

Significantly down? Ahh, I see, so you're just a full of shit poster. PS4 is +3.5% YoY. They are up. Yet you said they are "significantly down." So some kind of way being up = significantly down.

And you thought you'd get away with throwing something like that into your bullshit argument to make some type of point, but the only thing it got you was exposed.

I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he was speaking only to Nov, which is why he used the +75% on Switch.

Can’t wait for NPD Matt to tweet in Jan so we can get the full picture for 2018.

Overall it has been great for all 3 and doesn’t look like a typical year 5 sales trajectory thanks to the mid gen refreshes.

I don’t know why people can’t be happy, they are all raking in a shit ton of money and nobody is exiting the market anytime soon.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he was speaking only to Nov, which is why he used the +75% on Switch.

Of course Octiny was talking Nov. That's what the thread info is all about..... November NPD sales using YoY growth compared to Nov 2017.

Where does the OP or Octiny say anything about YTD (year to date) info which is what Alexkidd was probably talking about?

I guess some people don't know the difference between YOY and YTD comparisons. Geez

Regarding PS4 numbers, they're solid but disappointing especially in comparison as it only eked out a victory versus dominating the month. It has simply plateaued, with a rather notable decrease YOY. In comparison to Nintendo with a +75 percent YOY on minimal bundle sales in Nov., hence the "outstanding" comment.

 

[Kagey K]

Of course Octiny was talking Nov. That's what the thread info is all about..... November NPD sales using YoY growth compared to Nov 2017.

Where does the OP or Octiny say anything about YTD (year to date) info which is what Alexkidd was probably talking about?

I guess some people don't know the difference between YOY and YTD comparisons. Geez

I figured as much, and like 3 other people posted with the same reply as me while I was typing mine out. Makes my post kind of redundant.