spookyfish
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Only if the answers are written in a way to confirm the polltaker’s biases. That’s the BEST kind of polling.
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Should there be more polls?
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GenericUser
Member
Seeking attention by opening threads on a videogame forum? I guess I'm getting old, I honestly haven't considered that this is an option. Anyways, how is he "trolling" by opening poll threads? I see these threads as lighthearted, not super serious distractions, not as something supposed to "troll" me. How are people gettings to triggered by poll threads? I still don't really understand it.
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theHFIC
Member
not to sound like some forum going elitist, but just posting stream of conscious thoughts is only a couple steps above shitposting. The polls that are posted so frequently are the equivalent of the video game conversations I had at 8 years old playing games with my friends.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
If it's one or two a week, it's discussion. If it's 1 or 2 a day, it clogs up the main page, blocking other better polls/discussion from getting seen.
iconmaster
Banned
I do like polls, they're an easy way to drive engagement. The question and options have to be well-considered though.
Vawn
Banned
It's not just the number of polls it is also that either the polls aren't really thought out or the choices are worded in such a manner to bias the outcome.
Just read some of his reactions in his own poll threads. The choices are worded in a manner that the answer most would give isn't a choice, meaning the best option feeds his narrative. When someone argues the other side, AR responds with "you're wrong, most people agree with ME, just look at the poll results!"
It's even worse when he uses these polls to feed a console war argument.
Just read some of his reactions in his own poll threads. The choices are worded in a manner that the answer most would give isn't a choice, meaning the best option feeds his narrative. When someone argues the other side, AR responds with "you're wrong, most people agree with ME, just look at the poll results!"
It's even worse when he uses these polls to feed a console war argument.
Nymphae
Banned
Mods let me hide threads plz
The Bloody-Nine
Member
I don't like the titles. "IMPORTANT". "READ OP".
EDIT I see this has been covered.
EDIT I see this has been covered.
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Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
For some, it counts more to have 100 (a few get more, most less) railroaded votes to reinforce some bias and all the on-the-side arguments posted as fact as part of the OP but not as part of the poll to accept any questioning, rather than the hundreds (thousands?) of members/lurkers that may be deterred from even looking because the place no longer looks anything like a gaming/industry news/discussion haven...
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JareBear: Remastered
Banned
Sometimes the poll options seem conveniently postured, that’s all I can really say.
I would like more comedy/joke polls. Let’s put a smile on that face.
I would like more comedy/joke polls. Let’s put a smile on that face.
Afro Republican
Banned
This thread contains a very small minority out of hundreds of members who participate in many polls and post in the threads, sometimes posting their opinion without voting in the poll. You know, discussion. As you can see people are literally trying to make the poll a separate thing from the thread for no real logical reason because the threads would otherwise have no complaints if there wasn't a poll. Highest poll has heading towards 400 votes which seems to be around the peak userbase of GAF currently for registered users in a 24 hour period. Still getting votes.
A lot of these people are basically not really capable of responding directly to the OP and if a poll is included feel that the POLL has to be something they like or want to participate in to join the discussion which doesn't make any sense.
And this very small minority has a few guys who immediately try derailing threads even when the thread just comes up. I've tested this with a few threads that had no polls, showing some users only look for my name to try and start trouble and then edit the post when they realize the thread did not have a poll. Or, if one poll is buried and comes back up the next day they won't go into the thread because there's already about a page of discussion and don't want to post in it to make it obvious to the mods they are only complaining to derail, but if there is less than around 10 posts they will try and instigate a fight.
There's really no issue here, if you don't want to vote in the poll respond to the OP directly or even the poll question directly (or skip the thread?). There's literally no separation from the OP and the poll so if there would other wise be no problem with the thread itself without the poll the only conclusions is that those complain about the poll are not trying to even have a real discussion. This is very similar behavior to that other board.
I've seen users state in the past they didn't post in smaller threads because some guys constantly tried yucking up the threads. often posting before they can humanly possibly actually read it.
Another tactic they like to do is to bring up older poll threads and pretend they are new and THEN complain on a newer thread that there's spam when there isn't. (heck there were times I wasn't on for days and I got people complaining about spam in a new poll despite all the few polls on the front page being 3-15 days old. awhile back)
The (not including the new one) 8 poll threads that are currently within the first two pages, which have various dates, have over 860 votes and not far from a similar amount of posts(excluding derail posts). Some of which are older threads that people brought back up whether for fun or maliciously. The biggest poll is this one here at 339.
Basically to put it mildy, people on Gaf generally don't complain about absolutely nothing, and if half of the small minority thinks a solution to their very minimal complaint is to insult and troll threads, often before even reading them (hence why I've seen guys edit out poll complaints on threads with no polls), then well that just hurts the discussion the MAJORITY are apart of so....
Vawn
Banned
Exactly, a small percentage of the people annoyed by the spam and leading polls will actually speak up.
Most remain quietly annoyed while a larger group isn't posting at all and just laughing to themselves saying "wow what happened to GAF? It's become a place where one guy is allowed to spam the boards daily."
Most remain quietly annoyed while a larger group isn't posting at all and just laughing to themselves saying "wow what happened to GAF? It's become a place where one guy is allowed to spam the boards daily."
Von Hugh
Member
"let him do what he wants" That's not how discussion forums work.
He is making polls just for the sake of making polls seemingly every day. And labeling them "IMPORTANT". There aren't that many actually important topics which you couldn't limit to once per week or something.
Focus on quality instead of quantity, I say.
Nymphae
Banned
I agree, but also think this would be a lot easier to do if I could simply hide threads. I don't see a downside in letting users hide certain threads, if they don't want to contribute to them, why not let me get rid of them and allow my main page to have more threads I might actually want to participate in?
Airbus Jr
Banned
I don't understand why people are so riled up over this
If I see something I don't like or not interested I'll can just simply moved on to another topic
If some of you don't like him or his poll well just ignore it and don't bother to come over there..there's plenty other topic here to discuss and talk about..
Why do people have to turn this into some sort of manhunt over him?
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BusierDonkey
Member
There is nothing wrong with making a poll, but 90% of them could just be regular topics. The biggest problem with them is their random nature. You'll see best platformers of 1990, and two posts later we have best use of baguettes in the French revolution, then Saturn vs Jaguar: Which had the better power cord?, then best hairstyles for dogs in Nintendogs, then easiest game to play with your feet, then "It's the 7 year/11 month anniversary of ______, what could they have done to make it better?
There is barely a page of discussion before he's already moved on and made a new poll. The poll format itself squashes conversation.
Normal thread:
Gaemdood: 'Jumping Plummers 2: Into the Sewers' is finally here. I hate it. Remember when platformers were good? New stuff is all shit! Jumping Plummers 1 was better!
Spraggles: No way man, there are lots of good new platformers! 'Platform Harry' and 'Run Person VR'. Here are reasons why: (Several reasons listed)
VRGuy23: 'Run person VR' is the best, it makes 'Jumping Plummers 2' look like a dinosaur. Here are reasons I think that: (Several reasons listed)
JimJoe69: What about 'Hoppin' Fox'? is has all the features of 'Jumping Plummers 2' but has a better artstyle.
Gaemdood: Fuck you VRGuy23, you fukkin fuck! VR is dead! I don't like it and I am extremely angry that you do. I dislike you, and I think you are stupid. <--- These two will trade blows over the entire thread citing sales and personal anecdotes. It will be entertaining.
JimJoe69: LOL, these two guys amirite?
Spraggles: 'Hoppin Fox' is good! I liked the part where that fox hopped, I didn't see it coming
KenDollove: I think when the Fox hopped was the greatest event in gaming history. No wonder it was rated well on Metacritic!
Factlessturd: The worst part of 'Jumping Plummers' was the lack of a jump button!
Spraggles: You dummy, you obviously never played it! Every face button was jump! LOL! You're just the dumbest!
TheLostWorld: 'Run and Jump: QuickTime Adventure' on my preferred console, the 'Gamestation 5' is the only option, here is a book I wrote about why: (Lists every feature in the game, along with the console specs, links to Metacritic and twitter, and posts CG images from the future)
BusierDonkey: Look at my joke I put way too much effort into! (He did)
Things will continue over a few pages, to dozens of pages. People entering the site will see the post about the new game and join in the fun, argue their point, and bring new info into the thread about the subject matter.
A Poll Thread:
Gaemdood: 'Jumping Plummers' is 3 years old in four months, which other platformers were better? Here is a selection of answers I chose, along with reasons included with each answer. Choose one.
Spraggles: You have no option for 'Jumping Plummers' is the best. Your poll indicates that all platformers are better.
VRGuy23: Why isn't 'Run Person VR' in the poll?
Random23: Polls are dumb!
JimJoe69: I like 'Hoppin' Fox' but your reason in the poll says 'Because I'm a stupid bitch' I do not believe that but want to choose that game.
Gaemdood: If your preferred answer or selection is not on my list choose "other", making my poll completely useless.
JimJoe69: Then why have the poll? Can you just change the reason you chose to include in the poll?
Random46: Polls? Why?
Gaemdood: I didn't "choose" anything. And there was no more room in the poll for 'Run Person VR' because this wasn't a well thought out poll.
Spraggles: But you included 'Future Jumper 6: Into the Future!' on your list and it's not even out
Gaemdood: Moving on.
Random69: I also hate polls.
KenDollove: I chose answer 5. (gives no reasons as they are provided by the poll)
Factlessturd: I chose answer 8. (gives closed ended personal anecdote, not open for discussion)
Spraggles: I still don't see why a game that's not out is included
TheLostWorld: 'Run and Jump: QuickTime Adventure' on my preferred console, the 'Gamestation 5' is the only option, here is a book I wrote about why: (Lists every feature in the game, along with the console specs, links to Metacritic and twitter, and posts CG images from the future)
BusierDonkey: I also don't like polls, and I have too much time on my hands.
The poll thread revolves around the poll itself, many people dislike the options, many simply state their preference, and OP's poll is broken by having an "other" selection. These poll threads rarely include anything topical, so the front page is littered with polls regarding random subjects with no cohesion, it also knocks down threads regarding gaming and the gaming industry news and information.
The quick answer is "Just block people making the polls" but while I don't care for all these polls they do post outside the polls in other threads. I don't like blocking anyone even if I disagree with them. Everyone's opinion on subjects is worth reading. Only a complete ass thinks otherwise, and I want to read opinions on GAF.
There is barely a page of discussion before he's already moved on and made a new poll. The poll format itself squashes conversation.
Normal thread:
Gaemdood: 'Jumping Plummers 2: Into the Sewers' is finally here. I hate it. Remember when platformers were good? New stuff is all shit! Jumping Plummers 1 was better!
Spraggles: No way man, there are lots of good new platformers! 'Platform Harry' and 'Run Person VR'. Here are reasons why: (Several reasons listed)
VRGuy23: 'Run person VR' is the best, it makes 'Jumping Plummers 2' look like a dinosaur. Here are reasons I think that: (Several reasons listed)
JimJoe69: What about 'Hoppin' Fox'? is has all the features of 'Jumping Plummers 2' but has a better artstyle.
Gaemdood: Fuck you VRGuy23, you fukkin fuck! VR is dead! I don't like it and I am extremely angry that you do. I dislike you, and I think you are stupid. <--- These two will trade blows over the entire thread citing sales and personal anecdotes. It will be entertaining.
JimJoe69: LOL, these two guys amirite?
Spraggles: 'Hoppin Fox' is good! I liked the part where that fox hopped, I didn't see it coming
KenDollove: I think when the Fox hopped was the greatest event in gaming history. No wonder it was rated well on Metacritic!
Factlessturd: The worst part of 'Jumping Plummers' was the lack of a jump button!
Spraggles: You dummy, you obviously never played it! Every face button was jump! LOL! You're just the dumbest!
TheLostWorld: 'Run and Jump: QuickTime Adventure' on my preferred console, the 'Gamestation 5' is the only option, here is a book I wrote about why: (Lists every feature in the game, along with the console specs, links to Metacritic and twitter, and posts CG images from the future)
BusierDonkey: Look at my joke I put way too much effort into! (He did)
Things will continue over a few pages, to dozens of pages. People entering the site will see the post about the new game and join in the fun, argue their point, and bring new info into the thread about the subject matter.
A Poll Thread:
Gaemdood: 'Jumping Plummers' is 3 years old in four months, which other platformers were better? Here is a selection of answers I chose, along with reasons included with each answer. Choose one.
Spraggles: You have no option for 'Jumping Plummers' is the best. Your poll indicates that all platformers are better.
VRGuy23: Why isn't 'Run Person VR' in the poll?
Random23: Polls are dumb!
JimJoe69: I like 'Hoppin' Fox' but your reason in the poll says 'Because I'm a stupid bitch' I do not believe that but want to choose that game.
Gaemdood: If your preferred answer or selection is not on my list choose "other", making my poll completely useless.
JimJoe69: Then why have the poll? Can you just change the reason you chose to include in the poll?
Random46: Polls? Why?
Gaemdood: I didn't "choose" anything. And there was no more room in the poll for 'Run Person VR' because this wasn't a well thought out poll.
Spraggles: But you included 'Future Jumper 6: Into the Future!' on your list and it's not even out
Gaemdood: Moving on.
Random69: I also hate polls.
KenDollove: I chose answer 5. (gives no reasons as they are provided by the poll)
Factlessturd: I chose answer 8. (gives closed ended personal anecdote, not open for discussion)
Spraggles: I still don't see why a game that's not out is included
TheLostWorld: 'Run and Jump: QuickTime Adventure' on my preferred console, the 'Gamestation 5' is the only option, here is a book I wrote about why: (Lists every feature in the game, along with the console specs, links to Metacritic and twitter, and posts CG images from the future)
BusierDonkey: I also don't like polls, and I have too much time on my hands.
The poll thread revolves around the poll itself, many people dislike the options, many simply state their preference, and OP's poll is broken by having an "other" selection. These poll threads rarely include anything topical, so the front page is littered with polls regarding random subjects with no cohesion, it also knocks down threads regarding gaming and the gaming industry news and information.
The quick answer is "Just block people making the polls" but while I don't care for all these polls they do post outside the polls in other threads. I don't like blocking anyone even if I disagree with them. Everyone's opinion on subjects is worth reading. Only a complete ass thinks otherwise, and I want to read opinions on GAF.
BrokenBones902
Banned
I don't think he should be banned, as I believe he genuinely has good intentions with these polls and isn't meaning to harm the site or anyone else, but is just unaware he's doing so with his constant poll bombing. I think at worst, he should get a 2-week suspension from NeoGAF, and if he comes back and shows that he didn't learn anything from that suspension, THEN maybe consider a ban.
Plague Doctor
Member
He seems like a nice enough person outside the polls.
I just have thought his options, for one in particular, were very leading.
I just have thought his options, for one in particular, were very leading.
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The Bloody-Nine
Member
All of the bolded text is also pretty obnoxious.
Kamina
Golden Boy
I was kidding
TacosNSalsa
Member
Just put him on ignore and his threads disappear . I did that a while back once I realized it was getting ridiculous. Haven't thought about it since then and was only reminded because of this thread.. there are people who enjoy it so let em I say
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BrokenBones902
Banned
I'm aware of that, but I do know some people really want to see action by the mods taken against Afro-Republican for his poll spamming, and so I was simply stating my opinion on how I believe this situation should be handled.
Kamina
Golden Boy
I find his polls amusing
Choices can be nice
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
Well now I’m gonna copy and paste every poll into every reply to every post you ever make.
Checkmate.
BrokenBones902
Banned
I think its more about the randomness of these polls as well as just how frequently he does them. I don't think anybody would care about the fact that Afro does polls if he wasn't hogging up the first page with them. Nevertheless though, I still maintain my position that he shouldn't be banned.
TacosNSalsa
Member
Mochilador
Member
I like his threads. Don't lose hope,
Afro Republican
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Afro Republican
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DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
Follow his example and let's see how far we can take this joke before the mods step in. I think it'll become clear that a limit on polls -- or a separate way to display them that doesn't clog up the main page -- is needed.
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
You guys have done it now.
Went from harmless polls to murdered kids and broken spines.
I’d prefer the polls
Went from harmless polls to murdered kids and broken spines.
I’d prefer the polls
Afro Republican
Banned
You do know that polls can't clog up the main page right? Because polls are part of a thread. Also uh, people bringing up old thread to the front pageisn't spam. And also you are effectively volunteering to be banned along with other people who take your suggestion, for intentionally ACTUALLY spamming the threads, on purpose, toput limits on polls, even though polls themselves aren't a thing, without threads, which would mean you would have to put limits on threads.
You didn't really think this through.
Nymphae
Banned
Maybe I like his posts (I do), but don't care to see his threads in Gaming (I don't). Putting him on ignore effectively removes him from the site completely, I don't want that. I want a way to only see threads that I care about.
Letting users hide selected threads is the answer here.
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Shifty
Member
What horror has GAF wrought
Semantics. There are poll threads clogging up the main page.
That depends on whether the subject matter within said threads is valid discussion material. I doubt the mods would want to blow away an otherwise perfectly fine topic just for having a cheeky joke poll attached to it.
Edit: That said, the OP's shiny new warning does say something.
Or, limit the amount of polls that you can attach while posting a thread to 1 per day or some other arbitrary number per time period. Discussion as per usual continues, poll count is reduced.
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Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Putting people on ignore and such is no kind of solution, that people complain about too many polls and shit doesn't mean he won't occasionally post something cool, then you miss that and maybe even make a new thread about it yourself thinking nobody posted of it and it being actual news or something. It's not a good forum/community function at a base level to me but that's me.
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Nymphae
Banned
This guy gets it.
Afro Republican
Banned
What horror has GAF wrought
Semantics. There are poll threads clogging up the main page.
That depends on whether the subject matter within said threads is valid discussion material. I doubt the mods would want to blow away an otherwise perfectly fine topic just for having a cheeky joke poll attached to it.
Or, limit the amount of polls that you can attach while posting a thread to 1 per day or some other arbitrary number per time period. Discussion as per usual continues, poll count is reduced.
Your first and 3rd statements contradict each other. The issue here is polls, not threads, and people here, as I posted in the long post earlier in this thread, have this strange issues of disconnecting polls from threads, it's already been widely determined that the issue the very small minority have are polls not threads. Which doesn't make any logical sense. Almost no one complains about regular threads.
Like I said majority vote, majority post. If you don't like the poll respond to the poll question or the OP directly without voting. If it's on a subject you're not interested in than skip it.
Codes 208
Member
You do realize plenty of us legitimately consider your polls as spam because you tend to make between 3-5 a day and some of them come off as a repeat. And like BusierDonkey said, 90% of polls (especially yours) don’t even need to be polls. On top of that, you don’t even make simple “yes or no” polls, you keep adding your own personalized opinion into each vote which is in itself a huge pet peeve. Because maybe I do prefer option A, but NOT for the reason you put down.
As well as the fact that plenty of them just feel unneccesary (again, like busierdonkey has said) they’re just random polls that feel like you found out how to make polls for the first time and now you can’t help yourself.
And not to sound like a dick of course but you don’t need to make a thread/poll on every thought that comes to mind. This isn’t Facebook.
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Nymphae
Banned
Well
DunDunDunpachi
should get some sort of mod reaction lol. I hope they can work out a way to let us have ignore lists for threads.
DunDunDunpachi
should get some sort of mod reaction lol. I hope they can work out a way to let us have ignore lists for threads.
Helios
Member
I'm not sure I understand where the hate for Afro Republican threads comes from. My general experience with his threads are: I see his threads and most of the time scroll past them, not because they have a poll but because they don't have anything I can participate in. I thought his FPS in 2007 thread was interesting so I posted in it. My question is, if people hate poll threads/AR threads so much why are they getting bumped? His threads get to at least 2-3 pages before they stop getting bumped, most of the time even more than that.
I guess I can understand people wanting quality over quantity but I still think people are being too hard on him.
I guess I can understand people wanting quality over quantity but I still think people are being too hard on him.
Afro Republican
Banned
Sorry but this lie is invalid. Several polls when people complain about front page spam are between 3-30 days old depending. If I was making 5 polls A day I'm sure the mods would have said something because that would mean 5 threads a day 35 threads a week. That's not happening. And again Polls are part of threads, this while thread here is pointless because you guys are trying and failing to separate the two.
This thread is a small minority, of which some of are just trolls derailing threads before reading them. Almost a thousand votes and 80% of that in posts just the 8 threads mentioned in the earlier post above. No one cares and if you guys have to make something up to pretend to have a point more power to you but it's not going to work.
The dunpachi spam will be removed, and you guys will soon start getting more warning for derailing threads on purpose (as has already been done before numerous times.) if you're not competent enough to skip threads you don't like then there's nothing more to say.
And if you think that supporting a user spamming and trying to get mod confrontation is a solution to a non-existent problem more power too you but that won't go without consequences.
Afro Republican
Banned
it's a small minority of people, half of which have only posted in the threads to troll or to try and derail it, some of the posting history of some of these users will show this, often even before they read it. So don't worry about it, the people who derail discussions or the current guy spamming threads will be modded and everyone will move on.
Thanks for your participation in the FPS 2007 thread.
LuvOfThaGame
Banned
We need to take a poll if we need a poll thread about poll threads complaining about poll threads.
TheMay30thMan
Member
It's obvious this poll is criticizing one member in particular, which is kind of odd because who really cares? His polls aren't hurting anyone, they're related to gaming (in a gaming forum), and they're not made to attack anyone. Unlike this thread.
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