Grinchy
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Why is this always the response? Are you saying it's ok to be openly racist toward white people because you think the generalization that all white people have easy lives is somehow factual justification for that racism?
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Brie Larson Isn’t Letting Her ‘Captain Marvel’ Press Tour Be ‘Overwhelmingly’ White and Male
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Deleted member 77995
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Equality isn't achieved by tearing other people down but uplifting each other. It's not a zero sum game.
Ownage
Member
Yes, they should end MCU with the snap.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Thank fuck you're here!
Cunth
Fingerlickin' Good!
Check your privilege everyone
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Not everyone, just straight white able-bodied males.
Fnord
Member
That's basically the entire playbook. The ONLY thing that matters are surface traits. It's why these people suck balls at writing. They believe that once they've swapped out a straight white male character with a female, POC, their job is done. Doesn't matter if said female POC has a compelling story to impart. Doesn't matter if there was a compelling reason to ditch the straight, white male in the first place. Just gotta get the straight white men out and the non-straight white males in.
Christopher
Member
Promote your movie and shut the fuck Up I don’t care what you think politically
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Well, here comes more 'ganda... for the white blonde savior!
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/a...ave-womankind-but-shes-doing-her-best-1185915
"Captain Brie Larson: A Hero To Womankind" https://twitter.com/i/events/1095423167730839552
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Dthomp
Member
But did she make sure the pizzamaker that made her lunch was also a non white male? That's the news I need to know...
RedVIper
Banned
Womankind is the dumbest thing I've heard since Peoplekind
5secondrulesucks
Banned
i hope one day the people who write this garbage like look back and just feel intense embarrassment
Virex
Banned
I hope so too. Because they are embarrassing themselves. They just haven't realised it yet
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
Theres really nothing racist about what she said.
Dacon
Banned
Holy cringe batman
Grinchy
Banned
Let's just reverse this statement she made about A Wrinkle in Time:
""I don’t need a 40-year-old black chick to tell me what didn’t work about A Wrinkle in Time," said Larson. "It wasn’t made for her. I want to know what it meant to men of whiteness, straight men, to teen men of whiteness"
Suddenly she's the head of the KKK. Now you're going to say that she didn't make this quote for the Captain Marvel press junket, so we can do that one too:
“About a year ago, I started paying attention to what my press days looked like and the critics reviewing movies, and noticed it appeared to be overwhelmingly black female,”
Anyone making that statement and claiming it was a problem would no longer have a career. Go ahead and pretend that isn't true. Or come back with something about how white people are the oppressors and it's ok to say these things because, "it's all about punching up!"
lock2k
Banned
These useless words are like the Brazilian Portuguese word Feminicídio, which is "feminicide" (a word used for man-on-woman crime motivated by sex or whatever). The morons who invented the word never realised that homicide is "hominis excidium" (human exclusion) in latin. They just thought that "homi" = homem (man in portuguese) so they went with "femini" = woman and invented the godawful "feminicídio" word which doesn't fucking mean anything. If you exclude a human life it's still homicide, not feminicide.
SJWing languages is the worst. As a language professional/translator I feel disgusted by this shit.
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tkscz
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Assuming this is some sort of sarcasm or you're getting Carol Danvors mixed up with Monica Rambue (who is in the movie).
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slugbahr
Unconfirmed Member
On a similar note, i don't get how the labels homo/transphobe came about.
The -phobe/phobia suffix denotes fear of something, not 'hatred'.
Not as weird sounding as 'homist', and a special kind of word was needed instead of just plain old 'bigot'?
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
The first one is probably racist. Second one is not.
manfestival
Member
How do you claim to know this while not knowing about Carol Danvers? You just fell flat on your face.
Grinchy
Banned
So if Chris Pratt said he has a problem with all the black people doing interviews when he is pushing a new movie, there'd be no issues there? Is that something you're going to pretend to be true?
Kamina
Golden Boy
The second might be relatively harmless, but if it was worded like this toward anyone but white men, you can be sure someone would still be offended.
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#Phonepunk#
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this is the first female centric Marvel movie. there are 19 other movies that are all male centric.
so yeah i see why they want some of that Wonder Woman social cred juice. it's profitable.
so yeah i see why they want some of that Wonder Woman social cred juice. it's profitable.
Lady Bird
Matsuno's Goebbels
I actually like the word womankind, as it can have its uses (as shown in this context) and doesn't sounds bad when spelled out loud. Peoplekind, however, is just redudant and ugly.
Shai-Tan
Banned
An attempt at an (excessively) charitable interpretation would be effects like path dependence or what Thomas Schelling showed in his "models of segregation" paper which suggested that even small differences in preferences can lead to a tipping point. So the reasoning goes effects like homophily lead to segregation in industries (like it does in "white flight") that may warrant concern for and discussion about diversity and representation (even from an equality of opportunity perspective) although what exactly to do about it is contentious in a plural society.
It's important to keep in mind that an old boys club or whatever doesn't require significant explicit or implicit prejudice to form. Some of the activist language about topics like this is a consequence of buying into racism or sexism as the primary mover of outcomes when there are more subtle concomitant effects in the social dynamics of groups (some contrary to a received narrative motivating activism, others that might offer support); however, a lot of defensiveness about topics like this comes from discounting discussion via similar exaggerated interpretations of arguments and evidence (the "those crazy feminists" genre). There are liberal arguments in favor of concern for equality that don't turn on assuming every inequality is the product of discrimination or injustice.
It's important to keep in mind that an old boys club or whatever doesn't require significant explicit or implicit prejudice to form. Some of the activist language about topics like this is a consequence of buying into racism or sexism as the primary mover of outcomes when there are more subtle concomitant effects in the social dynamics of groups (some contrary to a received narrative motivating activism, others that might offer support); however, a lot of defensiveness about topics like this comes from discounting discussion via similar exaggerated interpretations of arguments and evidence (the "those crazy feminists" genre). There are liberal arguments in favor of concern for equality that don't turn on assuming every inequality is the product of discrimination or injustice.
JimmyRustler
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Wrong post
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MayauMiao
Member
Her dead eyes and zero chemistry is enough to convince me to watch this movie on HBO.
RedVIper
Banned
Why, if Mankind bothers you that much, even thought it always has referred to both genders, just use Humankind
Wings 嫩翼翻せ
so it's not nice
I was meandering through Times Square today and seeing her face on the big screen was wince-inducing.
Javthusiast
Banned
Wonder Woman came, had normal marketing from what I remember, and made bank. Why is Brie and woke media so hellbent on this crusade for captain marvel? Just market the movie normally like every other comic book movie ffs.
dorkimoe
Member
About time someone else said it. Insane how many people dont get this.
Lady Bird
Matsuno's Goebbels
I'm not sure if you're quoting the right person. I never stated I had anything against mankind/ humankind words.
RedVIper
Banned
No, you argued in favor of womankind, and I think that's dumb, it's a clearly divisive word, why use it when we already have two perfectly good word to describe humanity as a whole.
Lady Bird
Matsuno's Goebbels
Because womankind is not meant to describe humanity as a whole, but women only. At least that's my interpretation of it. From that perspective, I'm fine with the word.
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lock2k
Banned
It's a dumb word to reinforce a division whereas mankind includes everyone.
This categorization necessity only serves to drive people apart instead of uniting everyone. Women are humans first and foremost.
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hariseldon
Unconfirmed Member
All this dividing people up into groups based on characteristics which are neither chosen nor the defining characteristic of any person just seems such a shallow way to deal with people.
Barnabot
Member
Meaning you kinda like this divisive word "womankind".
Some brazilian politician once said during a speech the sentence"women sapiens " in a attempt to make some sort of a compliment about how humankind has evolved. That same person said the phrase "Nos nos transformamos em homo sapiens ou mulheres sapiens" meaning "We have become Homo sapiens or Women Sapiens". That person thought the ' homo sapiens' sentence was only referring to a gender. So how about that ?
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lock2k
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Dilma, the most imbecile leader of a country at any point in human history.
Literal proof that Lula could endorse a piece of shit and it would end up winning an election.
And at the height of her term, if anyone criticized her, the person would be automatically labelled as woman-hater, misoginist, etc. But God, she is so dumb, it hurts.
Christopher
Member
I’m honestly not seeing it; fuck it. Don’t shove that shit down my throat - Wonder Woman was excellent and she didn’t do that at all
strange headache
Banned
My god, there's fluff pieces and then there's this. She's a chick in a dumb superhero action popcorn flick and they talk about her like she's the second coming of Jesus.
Lady Bird
Matsuno's Goebbels
As I see it, it was just a writer playing with words to create a catchy message. A Hero To Womankind = A Hero To All Women. That's it. It's not more offensive than any metaphor that could have taken its place. It's just creative word play.
Language is about communication, and the writer clearly wanted to convey a specific message to a specific gender. Replacing "womankind" with "man/ humankind" in that context wouldn't have worked out, as it would completely change the message.
I can understand the concern that it's a potentially problematic and dumb word, but not in this context, where it works.