Thiagosc777
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I thought it had reached 100 already. Well, 90 million then. Did Uncharted 4 sell 90 million?
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Notice how XBox is quietly doing well?
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I thought it had reached 100 already. Well, 90 million then. Did Uncharted 4 sell 90 million?
That's not generally the way to look at it. One series is unlikely to move 100 million units. Its not about selling ONE game to sell a console, its about selling a whole SERIES of games to sell consoles. and eventually some services. So, you pick up 1-2m new PS4 users for say Bloodborne, then 3-4m new PS4 users for say Horizon, then say 2-3m for Uncharted, then say5-6m for Spiderman, then another 5-6m for GOW, and then another 3-5m of The Last of Us 2, etc. The term "console seller" to me is probably a little overused, but at the end of the day it takes a whole string of them to build a good platform and system.
imo, Microsoft is building the "platform" but why would people pick the platform? As a generalization. I think Phil has a very tough job going forward.
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Klayzer
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There's no reasoning with that particular poster. He's been a rampage against all the non-believers today.
Thiagosc777
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Because it offers the largest gaming library and many different ways of accessing it (physical, digital, game pass, etc).
nowhat
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So... which One exclusive sold 40 million? Noh, I'll be generous - which One exclusive sold 30 million?
You don't get a 1:1 attach rate on any title, ever.
That seems to matter to you but not necessarily the market, I'm not saying it shouldn't be important to you. BC will probably be a more important item as we move forward and Moore's Law disappears, basically graphics will be less important as graphic fidelity is going to hit a huge wall. (we're at the end of huge graphical upgrades unless some new tech is found, generally speaking)
To me the whole game pass is overblown, its just another way to rent games. imo I see nothing wrong with it, but it would be like me buying a PS4 for PS Now.
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Thiagosc777
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Games don't matter to a videogame? Ok. Can you play Dead Space or Mass Effect on the PS4?
Thiagosc777
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Says the person who takes the mainstream media opinion as fact.
Not sure what that means. People generally up to this point don't care that much if their consoles have backward compatibility, I think that starts to change at this point as graphic fidelity is about it hit a wall.
Game Pass is just a rental program, I see nothing wrong with it per se, but I guess I don't see the greatness in it, but its not just my opinion - its the market's opinion. If Game Pass or anything else Microsoft was doing was great, logic would says they would be selling more units. (generally speaking of course)
"Can you play Dead Space or Mass Effect on the PS4? "
Via a service, sure, but not sure people care that much, I think they will care about playing PS4 games on PS5, not so much going back to PS3.
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Thiagosc777
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You are the ones claiming that "exclusives" sell consoles and that's all that matters. I am just pointing out the flaw in that argument.
People buy consoles to play Minecraft, Fortnite, Call of Duty, etc. Exclusives are cool, but are by no means system sellers. Unless it is something revolutionary, which is not the case for any of the PS4 games.
The Mad Draklor
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So the only way exclusives sell consoles is if they sell at a 1:1 attach rate?
Damian black
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Seems like xbots are becoming even more unhinged after the umpteenth xbox flop.
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The exclusives are the things that are different about specific consoles, so yes, they (exclusives) sell consoles. If I can play X on Console 1, but I can play X + Y on Console 2, tell me which one I am more likely to buy?
Maybe we can switch this a little, you tell us why the PS4 is selling well comparatively to say the Xbox One? (there is a reason(s))
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demigod
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How many people bought a Switch to play Call of Duty?
Klayzer
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Still looking for those posters that said "all media reviews are facts". The only "fact" I see is you making shit up to cover up for yet another critically panned Xbox release.
Iorv3th
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"system sellers" just mean that the games push console sales with it.
In Microsofts case people bought an xbox one just for Halo MCC/Halo 5. They bought an Xbox One just for Gear of War or Forza as the deciding factor because they wanted to play those games. So say each of those 'system sellers' sales 1 million consoles or 500,000 consoles. Those people are then going to be invested in that ecosystem and try to get their friends/family into it.
Having a diverse library of exclusives gets more people into that ecosystem and playing on that platform. Even if its 3rd party exclusive content like map packs etc. You said the casual cod crowd moved to PS4. Why do you think that is? Why didn't they stay with the xbox when xbox 360 had it before? Exclusives matter.
But the main stream media man. Only TimDog tells the truth. You gotta go to these alternative news sources like mister x media to find the truth.
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Mochilador
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Thiagosc777
are you familiar with Xbox Mil Grau?
Klayzer
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The funny part is when Ori 2 and Halo:Infinite gets great reviews, these same anti-review crusaders will be the first ones to post how well those games are reviewing.
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Very few games sell 100 mil, so if thats your standard for exclusives you will always be disappointed.
Iorv3th
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Has GTA5 reached 100 million yet? I thought it was like 95 million or something, thats across 2 console generations and multi platforms and pc.
mango drank
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A cornered Hayden Christensen is more dangerous than a jackal, pew pew
nowhat
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But at this point, we already know his weakness - sand!
Klayzer
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He also has the high ground
As I mentioned above, I'm new to this board, but I could see why the original title and some of the information could rub some people the wrong way. I kind of feel like Microsoft has been marketing this the wrong way over the last 6 months, I mean its a non-stop blitzkrieg of articles about games streaming, game pass, buying studios, cloud this, cloud that, most powerful console ever, etc. (it never stops) Its not a good look, imo, and there is going to be some huge blow back at some point as they are over-promising on a huge scale.
What Microsoft is doing isn't working, the more they spin their tires, the deeper in the mud they seem to go. (they need to stop digging before they're completely under)
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Thiagosc777
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But I was told that exclusives are system sellers. Didn't everyone who buy a PS4 buy it for Uncharted 4? Isn't that the reason people bought it?
Of course. Sometimes I watch some of their videos. They are great.
People who buy Nintendo don't buy it because they want the "best gaming", they do because they are Nintendo fans and want to play Nintendo. That's different from Sony, MS or PC.
Nintendo is like Apple. People who buy Apple don't just want usefulness out of their computer (a PC is more useful), they want an Apple. They sell a style.
That's absurd. Very few people buy a system because of one game. Usually only people who are rich and don't have to worry about money. If that was the case the PS4 wouldn't have sold nearly as much, because in the first two years of its life it had a very small quantity of good exclusives.
People buy systems to play the popular game, be it Call of Duty or Fortnite, and some may play whatever else exists on that platform.
If "a diverse library of exclusives" were a thing, then Xbox would be selling far more, because it has far more games.
But you said people buy consoles to play COD?
"People buy systems to play the popular game, be it Call of Duty or Fortnite, and some may play whatever else exists on that platform."
I think the world is generally going to disagree with you there.[/quote]
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Thiagosc777
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Yes, good. You can read.
The Mad Draklor
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That doesn’t address the irrational notion that the attach rate needs to be 1:1 for a game to be considered a “system seller”.
Yes, but you didn't address the guys point, you basically came up with some excuse. I'm not really sure what your point is to be honest, you made some silly comments about certain games not being system sellers, now we're onto nobody buys console for exclusives. Generally, I would say people making purchasing decisions on console purchases.... one major factor is exclusive games.
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Thiagosc777
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What point? It is as clear as day. Nintendo is like Apple. Sony and MS are like PC. Different types of products for different types of consumers.
Klayzer
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He has no point. Mostly swinging and missing with made up arguments that nobody is arguing.
Okay, here is your original post.
So, what I think you are saying is the PS4 is selling well because people moved to the PS4 to play COD? If true, why do you think they did that? (I'm not necessarily saying i disagree at this point)
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Damian black
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He likes mil grau, lol.
Dude is a nutjob. He harasses people because they talk shit about xbox. He even got prosecuted for doing this not too long ago.
Dude is a nutjob. He harasses people because they talk shit about xbox. He even got prosecuted for doing this not too long ago.
Thiagosc777
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Because MS fumbled the launch. Did you forget? They didn't choose the PS4 because of "exclusives".
Thiagosc777
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What are you talking about? I was never prosecuted for anything.
If you are referring to Xbox Mil Grau, then he was prosecuted by a journalist, not for lying about him (he spoke the truth), but for using memes to make fun of him. Which he claimed to be threats.
At least they play the games they talk about. They play more than any of you here and any of those journalists. Check out his channel. Thousands of hours of gameplay.
So, sales are bad today because they fumbled (I guess) marketing in 2013, no other reason you can think of? (right off the top of my head I can come up with stuff they are doing wrong, today, not 6 years ago)
Sales are worse today than they were in say 2014 by quite a margin, just saying maybe there is more it than just fumbling at the start - the start was actually decent for them, way above Xbox 360 sales the first two years in.
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Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
System sellers can move systems. It does not mean they sell 1:1 on every system sold, simply because not every system owner likes the same games.
Thiagosc777
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No. That was the only reason. Kinect, 500 dollars, DRM and resolutiongate. That's all people talked about back then, and it was the reason many switched to PS4.
Yeah, but sales were actually really good back the first two years, way above Xbox 360 sales. They got rid of the Kinect, the $500 is no longer a thing, now there is two SKUs, one high end and one low end.
This is actually the first console gen where the most powerful base machine one the sales race. Power is going to less of a selling point going forward, as we're hitting the wall on Moore's Law. (as a side note)
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Thiagosc777
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But that point the only ones left were Xbox fans. The casuals (people who only play a handful of games like COD, FIFA, etc) are on the PS4.
Oddvintagechap
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Such a interesting creature.
Outrunner
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Listen here. There is not one single good argument to buy an Xbox, there is not one single exclusive that is worth the investment in that console. If anyone wants to play Minecraft, Fortnite or Call of Duty they will do it on a Playstation 4 where, on top of all of that, they can play Spider Man, God of War, Yakuza, the Last of Us, Uncharted, Bloodborne and so many other exclusives. If more evidence is needed just look at the sales of both PS4 and Xbox One. Your argument is moronic.
Iorv3th
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Your straight up full of shit and trolling. I would put you on my ignore list but I'm afraid I would miss out on whatever ridiculous claims you make next.
Damian black
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No judge is going to condemn you for using memes. Brazil is not sweden or the uk. He has a history of doing this shit.
The fact that you like him, tells me that you are just another delusional salty xbot who cant accept reality. It is pretty clear by looking at your statements.
and I used to be an xbox fan but, this gen both microsoft and their fanbase really disgusted me with their retardedness and dishonesty.
Have fun.
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thelodius
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I already explained my analogy to someone else. Go read it if you wish. Truth hurts to some on here it seems.