dipsylalapo
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If they did a mid gen upgrade, would that then effectively replace the Base model? Does seem a bit silly.
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RUMOR: Two next-gen Xbox models to be announced at E3 2019
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If they did a mid gen upgrade, would that then effectively replace the Base model? Does seem a bit silly.
Shin
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Next and the generation after that is pretty much 4K, fake 8K might be within reach.
By that I mean nothing in AMD's roadmap and/or fabrication process will be big enough for a mid-gen refresh so I suppose that's why.
Both Sony/Ms will be able to save costs further from 7nm --> 7nm EUV --> 5nm --> 3nm, but those jumps aren't big enough (can have a look at the expected performance by TSMC).
Until GCN gets dumped or vastly improved (with the former being the plan after Navi according to some sites) we'll be stuck so I can see both company going "all-out" from the get go.
The base would still be the disc-less streaming box.
I wasn't aware of that. I suppose it will mark a return to previous console gens where the hardware specs more or less stayed the same throughout the entire gen.
alabtrosMyster
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Their console sales are already going down.... And they announced the X a very long time in advance, like Sony did for the PS2, one of the benefits of dangling specs so far in advance is that people get excited, and people may delay buying competing products until you ship... It's by no way fool proof.
AgentP
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What is the point of this system, it plays XB1 games only? A XBX replacement?
IncognitoPanda
Member
Huh? The N64 was more powerful than PSX in terms of specs.
Xbox was more powerful than PS2.
PS3 was mostly more powerful than the 360, just less ram and funky architecture.
With PS4, you're right.
I don't see how Sony has always been more powerful at all.
Shin
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Casuals, casuals everywhere (plus some suckers that will only look at the price tag or think it's Anaconda).
JordanN
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N64 came out much later and the specs were terrible (less polygons than PS1, but better texture filtering and anti-aliasing).
Sega Saturn arrived earlier and costed more while being much more harder to program for than PS1.
Also came out much later. A better comparison is Dreamcast vs PS2, in which the PS2 was more powerful and was the first DVD-based console.IncognitoPanda said:
IncognitoPanda said:
See above.
kingwingin
Member
im in for the 12 teraflop machine
This is the best way to go, drop the x and release a cheaper lower res machine that scales better with the new beast.
This is the best way to go, drop the x and release a cheaper lower res machine that scales better with the new beast.
AlexxKidd
Member
Xbox came out less than four months shy of two years after the PlayStation 2.
IncognitoPanda
Member
Same gen
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
That's not how console development works.
IncognitoPanda
Member
N64 had more polygons than PSX across the board, unless there's something I'm seeing wrong? https://segaretro.org/Sega_Saturn/Hardware_comparison
My point was simply that playstations don't have a precedent being more powerful while being equally priced as the competition. At least that is not how I comprehend it.
JordanN
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Not in real world performance. The N64 was extremely bottlenecked hardware for its time.
See this interview about Final Fantasy 7 and it was one reason the game was switched to PS1.
https://www.polygon.com/a/final-fantasy-7
Or this article about the development of Crash Bandicoot
https://all-things-andy-gavin.com/2011/02/07/making-crash-bandicoot-part-6/
Making Crash Bandicoot – part 6 said:
You only brought up consoles that released after the Playstations did.IncognitoPanda said:
The consoles that launched earlier (with the exception of Xbox 360) usually costed more or were less powerful.
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Gamernyc78
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And? We all know that for most part thing are set in stone ahead of time that's common knowledge. But just like thts not how "console development goes" many believed Sony added or upgraded the memory (gddr5) last minute. We are not the console developers so we don't know what they are up to we can only base off experience but to think Sony cant have more than one plan or change final specs based on a competitors move imo is untrue. Dev kits are a basis for final form but not the final form. My response was to a poster that assumed the Xbox could come out earlier and be stronger which is possible but it's also possible Sony releases their console after and it's stronger.
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GermanZepp
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„Act of desperation“ lol are you serious? Get out with this shitty console warrior shit.
Coulomb_Barrier
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1tb NVMe SSD 
That part is wrong.
That part is wrong.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
It is bizarre this method of theirs, announce a product that's not due for release until 1 year later or more. Like they are throwing the towel in on this current gen.
Coulomb_Barrier
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Did you just learn to use the internet today?
Javthusiast
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As some already mentioned, if true then it is absolutely dumb to announce a hardware a year and a half before launch. I doubt it is gonna give them any kind of advantage. Sony has then even more time to think about their ps5 strategy.
Desperation mode, everyone knows people hold off on purchases when they announce which is why most device makers try to hold off as long as possible, literally Apple waits till a few weeks out. (You're being a baby, imo)
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DonF
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The component might be the same, but in that time it could lower in price.
Imtjnotu
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Quote who ever the hell you're talking too damnit
Clear
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its sold well for a mid-gen refresh, but as a platform in its own right its not sold that much at all. Even if you assume 60% of all Xbox models sold since its launch were One X's (which is an extremely generous ratio) its still going to be at well less than 10 million units shifted at this point, simply because MS entire volume of sales per year has rarely, if ever, exceeded 10m units globally.
So, even factoring in that One X has been on the market during 2 holiday quarters, there is a very clear ceiling on how well it could have possibly sold.
Shin
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Well shit things are moving faster than expected, Apple will be using TSMC's 5nm node in 2020 already (not that MS/Sony will be using it).
https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20190222PD207.html
https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20190222PD207.html
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Stuart360
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I dont really get how announcing it early is a sign of 'desperation'. I mean announcing it early would almost certainly effect XB1 and X sales. Announcing the new consoles like 3 months before release, or at the last realistic possible time, would be an act of desperation.
Gaf will be Gaf.
Gaf will be Gaf.
Von Hugh
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A worse comparison since there is almost 18 months between Dreamcast and PS2.
Wesleyalucard
Member
The things are not looking good for Xbox...
bitbydeath
Member
The 4TF is probably a cheaper (7nm) Xbox One X.
DForce
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You consider game pass for 2 bucks, partnering with Nintendo , and possibly getting some Nintendo games bad ?Sounds like heaven to gamers. Sounds like jealousy to me. PlayStation much
Microsoft is willing to lose console sales to have people subscribe o their game pass now services, which is why they're trying to put game pass on every single device.
Nintendo? Yeah, they actually want to keep people on their platform. People who think Nintendo will put their games on the Xbox are getting way too ahead of themselves.
Lionel Richie
Member
Agreed. Lord knows Microsoft has done a lot to be mocked at a video game board, people shouldn't have to pretend to be experts on business and go on about stuff they know nothing about.
Huh?
They announced Xbox One X June 2016 & it didn't come out until Nov 2017 , plus with the rumors from insiders that PS5 was going to release at the end of 2019 before the date changed MS is making a smart move by getting the info out there , it's not like Xbox One is selling many units in the next year or 2 so this would be a way of slowing down the PS4 train. in fact MS has been mentioning the new Xboxs for like a year already.