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Thor stole Mjolnir from Thor in that other timelime, leaving Asgard's defender weaponless, lol. The time travel gimmick was so, so, so bad.
Steve returned Mjolnir at the end of the film.
Thor stole Mjolnir from Thor in that other timelime, leaving Asgard's defender weaponless, lol. The time travel gimmick was so, so, so bad.
He took it with him, but did they say he returned it? I honestly don't remember, but you may well be right.Steve returned Mjolnir at the end of the film.
No he didn't. Cap replaced it right after Thor took it.Thor stole Mjolnir from Thor in that other timelime, leaving Asgard's defender weaponless, lol. The time travel gimmick was so, so, so bad.
He took it with him, but did they say he returned it? I honestly don't remember, but you may well be right.
He went to the past with the intention of returning the stones and Mjolnir.He took it with him, but did they say he returned it? I honestly don't remember, but you may well be right.
Yeah, why have character driven drama and plot when you can have more action?
Disney needs to dump these Russo hacks and get Micheal Bay.
Who needs story when you have SPLOSIONS!
Yeah, why have character driven drama and plot when you can have more action?
Disney needs to dump these Russo hacks and get Micheal Bay.
Who needs story when you have SPLOSIONS!
Logan isn't a masterpiece story or character drama either... you are gonna need a better examplethats the thing though - this isnt some masterpiece story or character drama.
when i think of character drama, the first cbm i think of is logan.
and logan STILL paces/spaces its action better.
Logan isn't a masterpiece story or character drama either... you are gonna need a better example
Can you provide a better example than Logan like I had requested?much better than endgame though.
Can you provide a better example than Logan like I had requested?
Because he went back decades, stayed there, and lived out those years.So why does Captain America become old when he travels back and stays in the past?
He was. Then he somehow got back to the original timeline via a means that is unknown to the audience.Shouldn't he be living in an alternate reality and not the original one?
He's dead in the original timeline. Assuming the alternate timelines all end up with Thanos killing Loki too, Loki's dead in those realities too once it gets to that certain point in time.What about Loki, is he still dead now that alternate him is alive?
Really? I thought we were just supposed to assume that he lived out the rest of his days in the past and that past was somehow the real past because he is in the original timeline, thus mixing up time travel rules.He was. Then he somehow got back to the original timeline via a means that is unknown to the audience.
Are we sure? If past alternate thanos can be destroyed in original timeline's present and have no effect on the original timeline, then why would past alternate loki have to die in the same way and timeframe as the original real timeline loki? Also, his whole shpeal is that he is a trickster that can outmanuever death and fake it to everyone.He's dead in the original timeline. Assuming the alternate timelines all end up with Thanos killing Loki too, Loki's dead in those realities too once it gets to that certain point in time.
The directors said that the rules are the rules, so it doesn't follow Terminator style predestination time travel rules. The timeline where Old Cap lived out his life was a different timeline, and the only way to get back to the original timeline is to do a jump. So he did that somehow, and we aren't told what that was..Really? I thought we were just supposed to assume that he lived out the rest of his days in the past and that past was somehow the real past because he is in the original timeline, thus mixing up time travel rules.
I'm just speculating what can happen in the alternate timelines assuming everything plays out the same way. The only one that for sure wouldn't end up with Loki getting killed by Thanos is the GotG timeline since that Thanos doesn't exist there anymore because he jumped to our timeline.Are we sure? If past alternate thanos can be destroyed in original timeline's present and have no effect on the original timeline, then why would past alternate loki have to die in the same way and timeframe as the original real timeline loki? Also, his whole shpeal is that he is a trickster that can outmanuever death and fake it to everyone.
Are we sure? If past alternate thanos can be destroyed in original timeline's present and have no effect on the original timeline, then why would past alternate loki have to die in the same way and timeframe as the original real timeline loki? Also, his whole shpeal is that he is a trickster that can outmanuever death and fake it to everyone.
I agree that what happened with Nebula is an example of how time travel works properly in the film, but then we get what happens to Steve and that throws the pre-established rules out the window unless we assume what Rentahamster says could have happened behind the scenes actually occurred (which I don't see happening as how would Steve travel back to the maintimeline without using the timetravel device he was given?).You saw what happened with Nebula? Past Nebula murdered, present Nebula still alive. The "past" doesn't affect the present.
I agree, alternate loki could be doing G-d knows what. He doesn't have to be dead and for all we know he could be like his original evil self instead of his anti-hero(ish) main self. Since the time travel rules seem a bit wonky I wouldn't be surprised if they just say "he's still alive" and put him in another movie or something.The reality where Loki escapes with the Tesseract, it could play out completely different to the present mainline timeline. It doesn't have to play out the same way. He may have gone straight back to Thanos and become his henchman, he may have returned to Thanos and Thanos killed him straight away. He may have teleported somewhere else to look for allies. If Loki is hiding from Thanos, Thanos may never collect the 6 infinity stones. There are many possibilities for that reality now on a grander scale.
You don't have to assume that.unless we assume what @Rentahamster says could have happened behind the scenes actually occurred (which I don't see happening as how would Steve travel back to the maintimeline without using the timetravel device he was given?).
In the end, Steve Rogers goes on a solo trip to restore the Infinity Stones from the other time dimensions to the moment they were taken, thereby bringing them back into alignment with the main timeline.
He also takes Thor’s Mjölnir hammer, though not necessarily as his own weapon. That has to be taken back to The Dark World era to set the timelines straight, too.
But then …he doesn’t come back. At least, not as we know him. He finds Peggy Carter and stays with her.
So, has Cap been living in the past this whole time — or did he go and live in another dimension?
The directors say it’s the latter.
“If Cap were to go back into the past and live there, he would create a branched reality,” Joe explained. “The question then becomes, how is he back in this reality to give the shield away?”
The brothers smile.
“Interesting question, right?” Joe said. “Maybe there’s a story there. There’s a lot of layers built into this movie and we spent three years thinking through it, so it’s fun to talk about it and hopefully fill in holes for people so they understand what we’re thinking.”
They're not that wonky. They're solid. Assume they're solid, and the rest of the events and potential events can be explained from there.Since the time travel rules seem a bit wonky I wouldn't be surprised if they just say "he's still alive" and put him in another movie or something.
I agree that what happened with Nebula is an example of how time travel works properly in the film, but then we get what happens to Steve and that throws the pre-established rules out the window unless we assume what Rentahamster says could have happened behind the scenes actually occurred (which I don't see happening as how would Steve travel back to the maintimeline without using the timetravel device he was given?).
You don't have to assume that.
'Avengers Endgame' directors answer Captain America mystery
The ending to the Marvel Studios epic has left fans with some questions.ew.com
They're not that wonky. They're solid. Assume they're solid, and the rest of the events and potential events can be explained from there.
If Loki is "still alive", then either he faked his death in the original timeline, got resurrected in the original timeline, came from an alternate timeline, or the movie is set in one of the alternate timelines.
Ok, maybe I misunderstood.I have seen the film twice, on the 2nd viewing I totally forgot to look at Cap's hand to see if he had the device on his hand. Even if it's not there, it doesn't mean he didn't use it. Banner does say that he "missed his time mark" or something to that affect, I think that means he missed the time travel pad. Ultimately we know that the time travel pad isn't really needed as they land in 2012, 2013 and 2014 without a pad and also Tony/Steve travel from 2012 to 1970 without a time travel pad.
Joe and his brother, Anthony, had detailed in a previous interview that Downey Jr had to be convinced to return to film Iron Man’s famous ‘I am Iron Man’ line in the film, which was a last minute addition and was shot in January, 2019. He said that upon viewing the scene, which initially did not have Tony Stark saying anything in response to Thanos’ ‘I am inevitable’ line, they realised that the scene wasn’t working. The Russos credited longtime editor Jeff Ford for coming up with the line.
You can return it seconds after you took it. Time travel , duh.He took it with him, but did they say he returned it? I honestly don't remember, but you may well be right.
Right, time travel can solve any problem. Want one million hammers? Bring the hammer back an instant before you took it. Now you have 2. Take the two back an instant before you took it and now you have 3. Rinse and repeat. One-MILLioon trooops. Woooow.You can return it seconds after you took it. Time travel , duh.
Btw anyone think this would have a neat scene?
After Hulk does the snap, he gets transported to the Soul world like what happened to Thanos. There he meets a young Natasha who is at peace and tells him eveything will be alorghr and they get to say last goodbyes. There wouldnt be a dry eye in the theater and would have been a nice way to add some closure to the Bruce/Nat thing.
Btw anyone think this would have a neat scene?
After Hulk does the snap, he gets transported to the Soul world like what happened to Thanos. There he meets a young Natasha who is at peace and tells him eveything will be alright and they get to say last goodbyes. There wouldn't be a dry eye in the theater and would have been a nice way to add some closure to the Bruce/Nat thing.
Instead you bring along 2 normal humans like Hawkeye and Black Widow?
Ultimately we know that the time travel pad isn't really needed as they land in 2012, 2013 and 2014 without a pad and also Tony/Steve travel from 2012 to 1970 without a time travel pad.
I think everyone should watch Patrick's video about plot holes.
I saw the movie. It was alright. My biggest gripe is how Captain Marvel just felt so fucking forced. She didn't feel organic at all when it came to meshing in with the plot, characters and settings of the movie. Her large absence throughout most of the movie didn't help matters either. Also she full on no sold a headbutt from fucking Thanos? THANOS? The same guy that beat the living shit out of Hulk without assistance from the gauntlet? Come the fuck on. It should have hurt her real bad, but no, she's the new golden child of the Marvel movie franchise for the moment...but it made me wonder why they didn't go with a much better known character even more so.
I'd watch the first hour at least to start seeing all the strawmans and illogical things David's saying, saying things like humans are illogical and acting logical is inhuman.5 hours???
I have watched the first 30 minutes so far and they are 2 minutes in to Patrick's video. They are waffling on about The Dark Knight Returns "plot hole" about how Bruce Wayne gets back to Gotham. They are talking about adding an extra scene or line of dialogue to explain how he got back, coming up with ideas. Basically proving Patrick's point, that the audience is smart and intelligent enough to work it out themselves. Bruce Wayne is (was in this film) extremely wealthy and would have many contacts, obviously he can get help in returning to Gotham and the audience is smart enough to know this.
Also, in Batman Begins he traveled the world without money before returning to Gotham, he knows what he is doing.
I'd watch the first hour at least to start seeing all the strawmans and illogical things David's saying, saying things like humans are illogical and acting logical is inhuman.
And 5 hours usually their one of their shorter streams.
Her only purpose was to get Iron Man and Nebula back to earth.
Which is funny since the post credit scene from CM had her arriving differently. Makes you wonder if they shot a different arrival for Tony and nebula without her.
Its all left to viewers imagination. CM was shot after Endgame so I guess they would have the following sequence that she probably arrived after getting page from Fury, was told by remaining avengers of people missing and went looking for them and found Tony and Nebula.
Making a box office prediction now: Endgame will end up second in domestic box office and second in worldwide. I just don’t think it has the legs to keep going for several hundred million more. TFA, Titanic, and avatar had the advantage of dropping at Christmas. Summers now are just way too stacked.
I would like to be proven wrong.