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[DynamiteCop!]

Trooling is strong with you, no?

Kaz already said there are more than 7 million players... and you use that old pic?

What trolling? That's from them last year. It's to make a point that they went to a different metric because they're not going to say that after nearly a year the game has only sold 3 something million. For a GT game with an at the time 75 million install base that is embarassing, PD used to be all about sharing sold-through numbers, not anymore.

It was to make a point, let's be real, it's 7 million profiles. I could spawn 4 different profiles on my PS4 and play the game and I would be 4 players to them. Friends, family, parent's and their kids all using different profiles, playing the game etc.

 

[ethomaz]

What trolling? That's from them last year. It's to make a point that they went to a different metric because they're not going to say that after nearly a year the game has only sold 3 something million. For a GT game with an at the time 75 million install base that is embarassing, PD used to be all about sharing sold-through numbers, not anymore.

It was to make a point, let's be real, it's 7 million profiles. I could spawn 4 different profiles on my PS4 and play the game and I would be 4 players to them. Friends, family, parent's and their kids all using different profiles, playing the game etc.

7 million players were officially announced in March 2nd, 2019: https://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/news/00_4975123.html

Actually there are 7,811,290 profiles (last profiled created: https://www.gran-turismo.com/br/gtsport/user/profile/9432494/overview).

PS. Take in mind that it is created more than one new profile per minute on the site... no the number could be already different.

 

[molly14]

I got this on the pro yesterday.Just cant believe how astonishing it looks,blew me away.

Been watching the intro movie over and over

Can’t even imagine how the next GT will look on ps5.

 

[V4skunk]

Okay then, let's say real locations then because variations as a track counting metric are bullshit IMO.

The point I am getting at is that some racing games class each variation as an individual track. Take Nurburgring GP and Nordschleife as an example.

 

[V4skunk]

That didn't deny in any way what I said.

Truth iRacing so some things better than GTS and GTS do some things better than iRacing.

Overall GTS do more to players than iRacing and that shows in how popular it is and how it evolved the eSport scene... iRacing tried to do what GTS did but never was successful.

IRacing is used by professional race drivers, GTS is not.
IRacing is a simulation, GTS is not.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

The point I am getting at is that some racing games class each variation as an individual track. Take Nurburgring GP and Nordschleife as an example.

But all of these games/sims share the variations so it's fruitless to list them, locations is the best way to go about it.

IRacing is used by professional race drivers, GTS is not.
IRacing is a simulation, GTS is not.

"Bu...bu...but you can become a professional race driver from playing Gran Turismo!"

 

[ethomaz]

IRacing is used by professional race drivers, GTS is not.
IRacing is a simulation, GTS is not.

Both are used by professional race drivers.
Both are simulators.

Are you serious? lol

And you are missing the point... GTS evolved the genre and create a gateway to anybody that dreams to be a professional racer become a professional racer... before if you didn't have the family and money to enter in this sport you were faded to fail even if you were talented enough.

GTS now gives the change to everybody since there is enough talent to reach the top spots... you receive sponsorship and indications to enter in the professional racer industry.

Gran Turismo Sport is not just a game anymore but a Sport.

BTW what most happened in GTS is race against professional racers and some big popular ones... it is truly amazing.
GTS basically become the eSport for racing simulators.

 

[Mattyp]

Owned by what? It's a third party estimation.

Don't let facts and official company reporting get in the way of a good shit post but.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

Both are used by professional race drivers.
Both are simulators.

Are you serious? lol

And you are missing the point... GTS evolved the genre and create a gateway to anybody that dreams to be a professional racer become a professional racer... before if you didn't have the family and money to enter in this sport you were faded to fail even if you were talented enough.

GTS now gives the change to everybody since there is enough talent to reach the top spots... you receive sponsorship and indications to enter in the professional racer industry.

Gran Turismo Sport is not just a game anymore but a Sport.

BTW what most happened in GTS is race against professional racers and some big popular ones... it is truly amazing.
GTS basically become the eSport for racing simulators.

Holy hell dude lol...

 

[GlamFM]

I do believe that the sim aspect in iracing is on a completely different level.

However I really love GT Sport.

Here’s a post I once wrote on a different forum:

I have been pretty vocal in the past when it comes to criticizing PD and GT.

I considered GT3 A-Spec to be the last great GT.
Meanwhile I thought Forza had not only caught up, but also surpassed GT in basically every way.

That was until I bought GT Sport last week.

I stumbled upon a YouTube channel from a very nice guy who comments on replays of his own online races.
What I noticed was how fair everybody in his videos was driving.

Had to try it for myself.

The Sport mode in GT Sport is the best online racing experience I have ever had.

But also:

-the presentation is ridiculous
-the cars look insane
-the tracks are great
-the music is wonderfully weird
-scrapes mode is fantastic
-the amount of SP content is bananas
-the community makes amazing liveries
-OMG the replays
-the cars do not sound like roombas anymore
-game does an amazing job at teaching beginners how to get better

And most importantly:

Racing sims are very sterile these days, but not GT.
This game has HEART and SOUL.

I truly love this game.

Things you have heard about GT Sport might have been true in the past, but the game I picked up last week (with the many updates it has received) is an amazing package everybody should check out.

EDIT:

One thing that I forgot to mention is that I really enjoy the feeling of ownership you have over your cars in GT.

After an hour with other modern racing games you have a garage full of supercars and 30.000.000cr in the bank.

The progression in GT Sports is slower and I enjoy that. My 911 rsr is MY 911 RSR.

 

[Geki-D]

I suggest everyone try playing this game; When you see an ongoing thread (with already about 2 pages) with a title saying something positive about Sony, before clicking on it for the first time, try to guess the number of posts before DynamiteCop! posted to try and downplay the positive news. Easy mode: Try to guess if it make it to page 2 before he posted.

Anyway, what interests me the most is that Kojima Prod is considered a Sony in-house studio and whilst I knew Sony was a big publisher, I didn't think they were actually near the same level as Ubi & Take-Two. Hope it encourages Sony to keep pushing out new studios and all this aimed at making exclusive games.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

I suggest everyone try playing this game; When you see an ongoing thread (with already about 2 pages) with a title saying something positive about Sony, before clicking on it for the first time, try to guess the number of posts before DynamiteCop! posted to try and downplay the positive news. Easy mode: Try to guess if it make it to page 2 before he posted.

Anyway, what interests me the most is that Kojima Prod is considered a Sony in-house studio and whilst I knew Sony was a big publisher, I didn't think they were actually near the same level as Ubi & Take-Two. Hope it encourages Sony to keep pushing out new studios and all this aimed at making exclusive games.

There is no positive news, that's some estimation from a third party which is factually wrong and even a guy championing for the game proved it to be, and it's using VGChartz for data backing, VGChartz lol....

It's nonsensical.

P.S. *cough*

 

[ethomaz]

Holy hell dude lol...

You know... you can always try to play the game

GTS is really that good and set it apart from other racing sims.
They nailed what they wanted to do with that game.

 

[V4skunk]

Both are used by professional race drivers.
Both are simulators.

Are you serious? lol

And you are missing the point... GTS evolved the genre and create a gateway to anybody that dreams to be a professional racer become a professional racer... before if you didn't have the family and money to enter in this sport you were faded to fail even if you were talented enough.

GTS now gives the change to everybody since there is enough talent to reach the top spots... you receive sponsorship and indications to enter in the professional racer industry.

Gran Turismo Sport is not just a game anymore but a Sport.

BTW what most happened in GTS is race against professional racers and some big popular ones... it is truly amazing.
GTS basically become the eSport for racing simulators.

I agree that GT Academy has got some gamers to be very successful race drivers.
The fact is that the real enthusiasts race simulators on PC, on games like IRacing using multi thousand £ pc builds with serious equipment like direct drive electric motor for steering, H shift gears if needed and full mechanically adjustable peddles all attached to a high strength chassis.
The competition is on another level.
Lets not even talk about the fact that GTS is barely a simulation.

 

[Can't decide]

GT will be a "better" sim when it gets the actual simulating of physics bit spot on. PD continues to use fudged numbers and estimations in GTS as far as I'm aware.

So far most of the praise is how it's a better game. The point of a sim is simulation, which needs a decent tyre model, not to have suspension settings that work back-to-front compared to real life etc.

You can't call GT better or even as good as PC sims when it still ignores fundamental equations/physics at a core level.
If getting the physics bang on is of little concern to you, then you're not really after a simulator and there's no point pretending it is one.

 

[Gingen]

There is no positive news, that's some estimation from a third party which is factually wrong and even a guy championing for the game proved it to be, and it's using VGChartz for data backing, VGChartz lol....

Absolutely not. The VGChartz source footnote is referred only to the third party stats in the lower-right corner of the page.

The Sony games sales on VG charts are completely different

Moreover Yoshida acknowledged the report

GTS sold 8 million copies, probably way more than FM5, FM6 and FM7 combined

I'm sorry for you and all the other GT haters, this is a huge ownage for all of you

 

[Mattyp]

Absolutely not. The VGChartz source footnote is referred only to the third party stats in the lower-right corner of the page.

The Sony games sales on VG charts are completely different

Moreover Yoshida acknowledged the report

GTS sold 8 million copies, probably way more than FM5, FM6 and FM7 combined

I'm sorry for you and all the other GT haters, this is a huge ownage for all of you

The estimates are all completely made up by third point if vgchartz didn't support their angle, one of our own members here has even done a profile number count and it isn't 8 million yet and that's just in profiles. Does Yoshida even speak English or realise this information wasn't official by his own company?

The last official number we got was 7 million players in March, the game launched in October 2017. In July 2018 we got 5 million players reported, so it took just 10 months to get 5 million think launch sales giving it a massive push. It then took another 8 months to get 2 million players sales dropping and slowing considerably like all games, But in 2 months we've added a million sales on a nothing but downward trending title because of its age. Maths just doesn't add up.

It's no doubt close to 8 million players, I agree with who ever pulled the profiles which is close to that number. 8 million hard copies sold? Nah.

This report is nothing but trash and I'm still not sure why it's being aloud to be posted when it can be proved factually wrong within the first page. I expect a player count from Polo & Kaz to match 8 million players soon or maybe they wait until the number 10 but they won't be announcing sold copies at those numbers.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

Absolutely not. The VGChartz source footnote is referred only to the third party stats in the lower-right corner of the page.

The Sony games sales on VG charts are completely different

Moreover Yoshida acknowledged the report

GTS sold 8 million copies, probably way more than FM5, FM6 and FM7 combined

I'm sorry for you and all the other GT haters, this is a huge ownage for all of you

There's not even 8 million player profiles so give me a break, this is a third party estimation and it's not even close and the fact that they cite VGChartz for ANY data they arrive at which uses an algorithm for speculating sales is a tell all as to how they conduct their research. VGChartz data is banned here as far as I'm aware.

The reality is there's about 7.8 million profiles which realistically means this game has maybe sold 5 million, maybe, the fact that they haven't announced 5 million sales though is questionable because they were sure proud to announce 5 million player profiles. Most people have friends, and family and they play games together and GT has generally been a pretty communal multiplayer experience. Guess what if you ever want to or have played the game in multiplayer there's two profiles right there as the other person needs to sign into a second one, or if a family member or friend has their own profile and play the game solo there's another right there.

This is extremely common, no doubt 1/3 to 1/2 of those profiles are redundancies for a second or third person and so on.

Also nobody is fooled by anything you're saying, you're the guy who actually tried to push that GTS was a better looking game than Forza Horizon 4 by posting a bunch of photomode and scapes bullshit, never in game and there's a reason for that. Hell, you got so bad in that thread posting bullshit photomode stuff you were restricted from posting in it further.

Shu saying "Thanks!" also doesn't mean fuck all anything.

 

[Gingen]

The estimates are all completely made up by third point if vgchartz didn't support their angle, one of our own members here has even done a profile number count and it isn't 8 million yet and that's just in profiles. Does Yoshida even speak English or realise this information wasn't official by his own company?

The last official number we got was 7 million players in March, the game launched in October 2017. In July 2018 we got 5 million players reported, so it took just 10 months to get 5 million think launch sales giving it a massive push. It then took another 8 months to get 2 million players sales dropping and slowing considerably like all games, But in 2 months we've added a million sales on a nothing but downward trending title because of its age. Maths just doesn't add up.

It's no doubt close to 8 million players, I agree with who ever pulled the profiles which is close to that number. 8 million hard copies sold? Nah.

This report is nothing but trash and I'm still not sure why it's being aloud to be posted when it can be proved factually wrong within the first page. I expect a player count from Polo & Kaz to match 8 million players soon or maybe they wait until the number 10 but they won't be announcing sold copies at those numbers.

The profiles actually are 8,412,723 https://www.jasonguernsey.net/gts/Drivers-By/Country

the 8 million sold are probably sold in

I REPEAT: I'm sorry for you and all the other GT haters, this is a huge ownage for all of you

Shu saying "Thanks!" also doesn't mean fuck all anything.

Just like all your posts against GT

 

[Mattyp]

The profiles actually are 8,412,723 https://www.jasonguernsey.net/gts/Drivers-By/Country

the 8 million sold is probably sold through

I REPEAT: I'm sorry for you and all the other GT haters, this is a huge ownage for all of you

You just owned yourself You forgot to subtract the beta profile numbers, do that and you arrive at the amount of players I said it should be mathematically.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

You just owned yourself You forgot to subtract the beta profile numbers, do that and you arrive at the amount of players I said it should be mathematically.

:dead:

 

[DynamiteCop!]

The profiles actually are 8,412,723 https://www.jasonguernsey.net/gts/Drivers-By/Country

the 8 million sold are probably sold in

I REPEAT: I'm sorry for you and all the other GT haters, this is a huge ownage for all of you



Just like all your posts against GT

No what's happened is as Matty said you forgot to subtract beta profiles and whatever idiot wrote this report looked at the profile count (which is near 8 millIon) and listed that as estimated game sales.

 

[Gingen]

You just owned yourself You forgot to subtract the beta profile numbers, do that and you arrive at the amount of players I said it should be mathematically.

8 million SOLD IN are a very realistic estimate even subtracting the beta profile numbers

 

[DynamiteCop!]

8 million SOLD IN are a very realistic estimate even subtracting the beta profile numbers

Based upon what? The game likely hasn't even sold through 5 million yet and you expect they've just got 3 million copies laying around on shelves?

It dropped from $60 to $20 in less than two months for a reason.

 

[TheAdmiester]

Been a while since Driver86 has popped in with his “ownage” ramblings. For all of GAF’s disagreements on Forza vs GT, this thread hadn’t really devolved to fanboyism until now.

“Ownage”, lol... is this 2008 GameFAQs?

 

[Gingen]

Based upon what?

Based on an official report for shareholders confirmed by a sony boss

The game likely hasn't even sold through 5 million yet and you expect they've just got 3 million copies laying around on shelves?

Based upon what? only your GT hater fantasy

It dropped from $60 to $20 in less than two months for a reason.

FM7 and FH4 for free from D1 on game pass for a reason

 

[DynamiteCop!]

Been a while since Driver86 has popped in with his “ownage” ramblings. For all of GAF’s disagreements on Forza vs GT, this thread hadn’t really devolved to fanboyism until now.

“Ownage”, lol... is this 2008 GameFAQs?

He's some alt account, he hasn't really posted in months and then a thread about GT Sport comes up and BOOM he's here.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

Based on an official report for shareholders confirmed by a sony boss



Based upon what? only your GT hater fantasy


FM7 and FH4 for free from D1 on game pass for what?

A report from shareholders? That's not a report from shareholders, it's third party report by Third Point...

"Although Third Point believes the information herein to be reliable, Third Point makes no representation or warranty, express or implied, as to the accuracy or completeness of those statements or any other written or oral communication it makes with respect to the Company and any other companies mentioned"

i.e. We can be completely wrong about something and bear no responsibility or consequences for the inaccuracies in our data.

 

[Gingen]

A report from shareholders? That's not a report from shareholders, it's third party report by Third Point...

"Although Third Point believes the information herein to be reliable, Third Point makes no representation or warranty, express or implied, as to the accuracy or completeness of those statements or any other written or oral communication it makes with respect to the Company and any other companies mentioned"

i.e. We can be completely wrong about something and bear no responsibility or consequences for the inaccuracies in our data.

So Third Point and Yoshida are a bounch of idiots, the only accurate source are you and the other GT haters of this forum... OK

 

[DynamiteCop!]

So Third Point and Yoshida are a bounch of idiots, the only accurate source are you and the other GT haters of this forum... OK

You can go back to hibernating for another three months.

 

[demigod]

You can go back to hibernating for another three months.

Don't worry, he'll be back next month when xbox only sells 86k units again.

 

[Gamernyc78]

How much does Forza sell?

Forza Horizon 3 sold 2.5 million world wide up until Dec 2016 after we have no number. I believe it probably is at around 4 to 5 million for comparison sake but tht includes pc numbers so it still might only be 2.5 million on consoles. The latest Forza I believe is included in Gamepass so we won't really ever know. Forza in sales never comes close to GT which has had entries tht went as high as 14 million sold and never really lower than several millions.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

Forza Horizon 3 sold 2.5 million world wide for comparison sake. The latest Forza I believe is included in Gamepass so we won't really ever know. Forza in sales never comes close to GT which has had entries tht went as high as 14 million sold and never really lower than several millions.

It sold 2.5 million in a period of 4 months, not LTD.

 

[Gamernyc78]

It sold 2.5 million in a period of 4 months, not LTD.

2.5 million was as of December 2016 so yeah its definitely not counting all it sales after tht point. It seems when I Google thts what popped up because it was last time Microsoft shared Forza sales number. In lieu of that info and the amount of ppl playing the game it could be at around 5 million sales but tht also includes pc so the console sakes aren't as strong.

Thanks for the correction.

 

[Gingen]

Forza Horizon 3 sold 2.5 million world wide for comparison sake. The latest Forza I believe is included in Gamepass so we won't really ever know. Forza in sales never comes close to GT which has had entries tht went as high as 14 million sold and never really lower than several millions.

2.5 million one console + PC.... LOL

now try to imagine the numbers of GTS on console + PC.... at least 15 million sold

You can go back to hibernating for another three months.

Still better than play with LEGO machines on FH4 like a kid

 

[Gamernyc78]

2.5 millions one console + PC.... LOL

now try to imagine the numbers of GTS on console + PC.... at least 15 million sold



Still better than play with LEGO machines on FH4 like a kid

OH damnnn you are right lol I forgot it's on PC. Thanks yeah so GT is even more of a different beast.

 

[Loc J Leno]

I'm surprised with how much those games sell. Maybe it's bigger in Europe? I don't know anyone here in America who has ever been hyped for those games.

 

[Gamernyc78]

I'm surprised with how much those games sell. Maybe it's bigger in Europe? I don't know anyone here in America who has ever been hyped for those games.

Yeah Europe tends to have the biggest sales when it comes to racers.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

2.5 million one console + PC.... LOL

now try to imagine the numbers of GTS on console + PC.... at least 15 million sold



Still better than play with LEGO machines on FH4 like a kid

Even the Lego update for Forza Horizon 4 looks better than GT Sport.

 

[Fox Mulder]

Anyone know what is going on at PD? We never got a proper GT game this gen. This is unfortunate, but what's puzzling is how can it take them so long to produce those games? PS4 came out in 2013. Not one fully fleshed out GT game during that time. wth???

PD has always done its own thing and this is the GT they wanted to make. They stuck with it and made improvements and additions since release for free.

They have the FIA esports foundation laid now and will likely keep it going next gen. Adding a classic solo mode for the millions of people that want that should be a priority too.

 

[Gamernyc78]

Guys GT is only 19 on Amazon so I'm jumping in. All the updates that have came out (I know weather one is coming soon too) and tht price is a steal.

 

[Gingen]

Even the Lego update for Forza Horizon 4 looks better than GT Sport.

yes, if you are a 3 years old kid for sure

 

[DynamiteCop!]

Guys GT is only 19 on Amazon so I'm jumping in. All the updates that have came out (I know weather one is coming soon too) and tht price is a steal.

It's been that price for the past 18 months.

 

[Gamernyc78]

Im more impressed by Second Son 6 Mill! Wasnt expecting that game to do that well.

Especially since it was a launch window game with way less ppl owning a ps4.

 

[EDMIX]

Was about to say. That slide is saying Kojima Prod is "Sony's in-house studio".

I think because if they already bought them, they might be waiting to announce it publicly at some event or something.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

I think because if they already bought them, they might be waiting to announce it publicly at some event or something.

Those hopes and dreams.

"third party report"

"Third Point makes no representation or warranty, express or implied, as to the accuracy or completeness of those statements or any other written or oral communication it makes"

 

[Blood Borne]

Yet some people were saying that GT is no longer relevant. Fuckin juggernaut.

Edit: is the source legit?

 

[Voost Kain]

This is shipments right?

7 million+ sold with bundles and discounts in near 3 years isn't really good for a GT game with as much money put in it as the GT series.

They will need to launch te PS5 with GT8, 100% complete with content, to possibly save franchise and make it massive 12+ million seller like old days.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

Yet some people were saying that GT is no longer relevant. Fuckin juggernaut.

Edit: is the source legit?

No, it's a third party study i.e. analysts spitballing figures and they appear to have conflated player profile numbers with being sales numbers.

 

[Voost Kain]

No, it's a third party study i.e. analysts spitballing figures and they appear to have conflated player profile numbers with being sales numbers.

Even worse.