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[Barakov]

More than few people at MS probably realized having a weaker system and stronger version at launch was probably a bad idea.

 

[demigod]

Of course there are, because these are the same people who talked about it initially and they're running damage control to save face for being wrong.

It went from being some rumor to "oh we know it was cancelled" real quick. Their entire existence hinges on not being wrong, when they are they have to flip the script.

No because only Klobrille, Brad and windowscentral were talking about it. Stop making shit up.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

There's a lot irony in your statement about others doing damage control. All the insiders are wrong and you are right...sure thing buddy.

My job and status doesn't hinge on providing accurate information to the community beyond the walls of the unknown, theirs does.

They have something to lose for being wrong, I don't.

 

[Nikana]

We didn't have a conversation about how many times Phil Spencer said consoles, didn't happen, it was something else entirely.

Now if you wouldn't mind....

Lol ok man. Just trying to have a convo, idk why you have to be so passive aggressive.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

Lol ok man. Just trying to have a convo, idk why you have to be so passive aggressive.

I'm not being passive aggressive, I'm being aggressive. You're muddying the waters for an entirely different conversation.

 

[ethomaz]

Lol ok man. Just trying to have a convo, idk why you have to be so passive aggressive.

He follow what the PR marketing says... so he will do defense control everything even if he needs to forget what he said in the past

 

[Nikana]

I'm not being passive aggressive, I'm being aggressive. You're muddying the waters for an entirely different conversation.

I'm not muddying the waters. Its in the same realm entirely. But clearly no reason trying to have a conversation with you.

Even when you were POSITIVE the name Scarlett didn't exist till December 2018 and were an entire year off, you still want to be an aggressive poster for no reason.

So have a good one.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

He follow what the PR marketing says... so he will do defense control everything even if he needs to forget what he said in the past

Burden of proof, still haven't seen anything. You're vacillating.

 

[Lone Wolf]

No pic will ever be so accurate to you... Trump = 0 credibility

Orange man bad.

 

[thelastword]

So in other words, Brad Sams saves face...….

Isn't this the same Brad Sams who said XBOX2 was more powerful than PS5? Soon he will be saying MS changed their minds on power too...…..

We always believed you Brad Sams…..

 

[DeepEnigma]

So in other words, Brad Sams saves face...….

Isn't this the same Brad Sams who said XBOX2 was more powerful than PS5? Soon he will be saying MS changed their minds on power too...…..

We always believed you Brad Sams…..

He already has a video he put out yesterday or the day before saying that “it’s not about power it’s about the games”, now.

Interesting, innit?

 

[ethomaz]

So in other words, Brad Sams saves face...….

Isn't this the same Brad Sams who said XBOX2 was more powerful than PS5? Soon he will be saying MS changed their minds on power too...…..

We always believed you Brad Sams…..

I’m with Easy Allies... he is just a marketing tool used by MS to “leak” thinks and make buzz work around Xbox.

So he will say what MS let him says.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I’m with Easy Allies... he is just a marketing tool used by MS to “leak” thinks and make buzz work around Xbox.

I’ve been saying that since day zero. Just like WC and a few others.

 

[makaveli60]

I didn't fall for Lockhart, I explained the place it could hold if it were something that existed.

Burden of proof, bud. He said it once, now prove he said it more than once because it ain't gonna happen.

And you were proven wrong about "the place it could hold"

 

[DynamiteCop!]

And you were proven wrong about "the place it could hold"

How so?

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

“Last year we said consoles, and we’ve shipped a console and we’ve now detailed another console. I think that’s plural,” Spencer said.

The console that Microsoft shipped earlier this year, of course, was not a new Xbox console – it was a disc-less version of its already existing Xbox One S hardware.

“Technically that is plural,” Spencer said with a laugh after I pushed him on the technicality he invoked. “Right now,” he said, “we’re focused on Project Scarlett and what we put on stage.”

Spencer

Two consoles was Just rumors

Quasi on topic, what's with your avatar? What is it? Where is it from? I find it hilariously irritating for some reason.

 

[makaveli60]

How so?

You were so adamant that it would not hold back the other nextgen consoles at all that you were attacking me just for bringing it up. Now look at the reasons why it was cancelled.

 

[HeresJohnny]

I thought Microsoft doesn’t care about selling consoles anymore; it’s all about services?

 

[DynamiteCop!]

You were so adamant that it would not hold back the other nextgen consoles at all that you were attacking me just for bringing it up. Now look at the reasons why it was cancelled.

I retain the same position that it would in no way hold back anything for its higher power counterpart. Look at the reasons it was cancelled? Give me some compelling evidence it ever existed. That's a start.

 

[makaveli60]

I retain the same position that it would in no way hold back anything for its higher power counterpart. Look at the reasons it was cancelled? Give me some compelling evidence it ever existed. That's a start.

Alright mate, just go on, fight your war.

 

[demigod]

Incoming 10 more pages of dynamitecop rambling because he can’t admit he was wrong.

 

[Pantz]

They don't want to be associated with Tifa Lockharts "restricted" chest.

 

[ResilientBanana]

You dont find it odd or strange that the same week we get rumblings that the PS5 Might be more powerful than the next xbox that the lead architect leaves a little convenient? Then the following week Microsft drops the rumored 2 SKU approach? Hell maybe they fired the guy? He didnt just up and leave the Scarlett team because his work is done. If anything its back to the drawing board because they now have to rework anaconda to be somewhat affordable.

Edit: Calling it now, Xbox scarlet will be delayed until 2021.

It’s far too late for the drawing board.

 

[Clear]

I’m with Easy Allies... he is just a marketing tool used by MS to “leak” thinks and make buzz work around Xbox.

So he will say what MS let him says.

Of course he's a marketer! All you need to confirm this is to check his LinkedIn profile. Its a classic open secret, in that its all out in the open if you care to look, but for obvious reasons he doesn't advertise the fact.

 

[ethomaz]

I retain the same position that it would in no way hold back anything for its higher power counterpart. Look at the reasons it was cancelled? Give me some compelling evidence it ever existed. That's a start.

So all devs that were against two SKUs due that same reason were lying?

C’mon man... even Digital Foundry (MS PR machine) said devs were not happy with that.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

So all devs that were against two SKUs due that same reason were lying?

C’mon man.

I have no doubt developers would have felt this, they'd have to do more work.

 

[Mass Shift]

Wonder if Scarlet's lead designer leaving MS for Intel also has something to do with this? Surely this cancellation and him leaving arent just coincidences? Its also insane how him leaving doesnt even so much as have a thread here, or anywhere else for that matter. Is there just that much apathy and indifference for xbox that no one even cares? Imagine Cerny leaving Playstaion the same week we started to hear rumors that the next xbox was more powerful. Gaf would break.

Hardware architects move around quite a bit. They jump from Nvidia to AMD to Intel and back to AMD again. The SoC team of architects who designed Durango for MS almost completely comprised of IBM alumni. They disbanded after the XB1 launched as well.

If Mark Cerny left that would be his business, not a negative reflection on Sony. And one day he most certainly will leave to do something else. People in this industry move on all the time. Sometimes it's good when they go (Kuturagi, Mattrick), sometimes it's unfortunate (Peter Moore, J Allard). But it happens.

 

[ethomaz]

Hardware architects move around quite a bit. They jump from Nvidia to AMD to Intel and back to AMD again. The SoC team of architects who designed Durango for MS almost completely comprised of IBM alumni. They disbanded after the XB1 launched as well.

If Mark Cerny left that would be his business, not a negative reflection on Sony. And one day he most certainly will leave to do something else. People in this industry move on all the time. Sometimes it's good when they go (Kuturagi, Mattrick), sometimes it's unfortunate (Peter Moore, J Allard). But it happens.

Everybody moves... just not in the key period of a project unless he is forced to move.

Most professionals won’t left an project in the middle unless there is really a strong reason behind it.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

Everybody moves... just not in the key period of a project unless he is forced to move.

Most professionals won’t left an project in the middle unless there is really a strong reason behind it.

Projects of these nature do not have a bus factor of one even though I know you'd love to believe they do. A lead architect leaving doesn't mean the other architects working under him are any less proficient or capable, some might be even more so; he is simply at the helm. Also people leave jobs for a number of different reasons, you can't make anything of it.

He went to work for Intel, they have a campus in Dupont, WA which is about 70 minutes south of Redmond, WA (Microsoft). They do research and engineering there so he simply could have moved to be closer to home.

I know you're chomping at the bit right now for it to be caused by some big problem with Scarlett's development because Hopes and Dreams™ is getting the better of you, but the reality is it's likely nothing of the sort.

 

[bitbydeath]

Projects of these nature do not have a bus factor of one even though I know you'd love to believe they do. A lead architect leaving doesn't mean the other architects working under him are any less proficient or capable, some might be even more so; he is simply at the helm. Also people leave jobs for a number of different reasons, you can't make anything of it.

He went to work for Intel, they have a campus in Dupont, WA which is about 70 minutes south of Redmond, WA (Microsoft). They do research and engineering there so he simply could have moved to be closer to home.

I know you're chomping at the bit right now for it to be caused by some big problem with Scarlett's development because Hopes and Dreams™ is getting the better of you, but the reality is it's likely nothing of the sort.

 

[nikolino840]

Quasi on topic, what's with your avatar? What is it? Where is it from? I find it hilariously irritating for some reason.

Is One of the characters portraits from Baldur's gate

 

[Journey]

According to rumours though Anaconda was still less powerful than the PS5. Maybe scrapping Lockhart means they can focus more on it to improve it?

The rumor did not specify Anaconda, but simply development kits.

 

[nowhat]

MS strategy to shoot everywhere without any focus was a stupid idea from the beginning.

I dunno, it seems to work great for Google.

Spoiler

just in case it wasn't obvious enough, /s

 

[ResilientBanana]

Everybody moves... just not in the key period of a project unless he is forced to move.

Most professionals won’t left an project in the middle unless there is really a strong reason behind it.

or you know, the APU design is complete and all that's left is tweaks to speeds and voltages. There are only 16 months until release, they have to start making the final chips and devkits at this point so that developers can finish up the launch titles.

 

[Dabaus]

Hardware architects move around quite a bit. They jump from Nvidia to AMD to Intel and back to AMD again. The SoC team of architects who designed Durango for MS almost completely comprised of IBM alumni. They disbanded after the XB1 launched as well.

If Mark Cerny left that would be his business, not a negative reflection on Sony. And one day he most certainly will leave to do something else. People in this industry move on all the time. Sometimes it's good when they go (Kuturagi, Mattrick), sometimes it's unfortunate (Peter Moore, J Allard). But it happens.

Im not an expert on the habits on hardware architects but I would think/assume that one of the higher ups leaving 18 months from launch after a 180 on plans leaving probably isnt a good sign. Thats just the conclusion ive made man. Im sticking with it.

 

[ResilientBanana]

Im not an expert on the habits on hardware architects but I would think/assume that one of the higher ups leaving 18 months from launch after a 180 on plans leaving probably isnt a good sign. Thats just the conclusion ive made man. Im sticking with it.

A 180 would mean they aren't making a console. They probably scrapped the lower tier model because it doesn't make sense, it doesn't mean that somebody fucked up.

 

[base]

There can only be one Lockhart and it's definitely... Tifa.

 

[VincentMatts]

Xbox one X replaces Lockhart now. Which is even worse

PC games can release with a million different PC setups, some super weak some super powerful, consoles have 3 and suddenly its a problem.

 

[Munki]

You dont find it odd or strange that the same week we get rumblings that the PS5 Might be more powerful than the next xbox that the lead architect leaves a little convenient? Then the following week Microsft drops the rumored 2 SKU approach? Hell maybe they fired the guy? He didnt just up and leave the Scarlett team because his work is done. If anything its back to the drawing board because they now have to rework anaconda to be somewhat affordable.

Edit: Calling it now, Xbox scarlet will be delayed until 2021.

- John Sell left MS in May.

- Lockheart was scrapped last year.

None of this happened overnight, the "news" was old by the time it had "leaked".

 

[ethomaz]

More articles about the subject.

Microsoft Reportedly Scrapping Plans For One Of Two Next-Gen Xbox Consoles

Microsoft once had two next-gen Xbox consoles in the worlds, Lockhart and Anaconda, but now one is dead.

www.forbes.com

Xbox Scarlett Now a Single Console, Second “Lockhart” Model Reportedly Shelved

Xbox Scarlett was once rumored to come in two different models, but it seems that's no longer the case. Why did Microsoft change their minds?

wccftech.com

Xbox 'Lockhart' lower-priced console dumped – this could be why

Microsoft has reportedly dropped plans to launch a lower-priced version of its next-gen Xbox console, according to reports.

www.trustedreviews.com

 

[Bernkastel]

So in other words, Brad Sams saves face...….

Isn't this the same Brad Sams who said XBOX2 was more powerful than PS5? Soon he will be saying MS changed their minds on power too...…..

We always believed you Brad Sams…..

Xbox One/PS4 - Power matters
Xbox One X/PS4 Pro - Power does not matter
Post Cerny reveal(when everyone thought it would be stronger) - Power matters
Post Anaconda rumours of being stronger than PS5 - Power does not matter
Pre-Scarlet/PS5(based on pre-assumption that Microsoft is looking at PS5 and will make their SKU weaker to make Sony fans happy) - Power Matters
If Scarlet turns out to be stronger than PS5 - Power does not matter

 

[ethomaz]

Xbox One/PS4 - Power matters
Xbox One X/PS4 Pro - Power does not matter
Post Cerny reveal(when everyone thought it would be stronger) - Power matters
Post Anaconda rumours of being stronger than PS5 - Power does not matter
Pre-Scarlet/PS5(based on pre-assumption that Microsoft is looking at PS5 and will make their SKU weaker to make Sony fans happy) - Power Matters
If Scarlet turns out to be stronger than PS5 - Power does not matter

The combination of Power and Price matter.

Xbox One was $100 expensive and weaker.
If it was $299 instead $499 then nobody will talk about the power difference.

Just like what happened with Xbox One X... $100 expensive but more powerful.
PS4 Pro at $100 cheaper and weaker is a good option yet.

The price needs to be set according with the power of the machine to avoid backslash... cheaper = weaker... expensive = powerful.

More the next-gen there is a lot of scenarios but only fews that will make the backslash about power/price:

1) One of them is stronger and cheaper
2) One of them is stonger and the same price

Everything else will lie in the normal scenario.

 

[VAL0R]

Well, if they go with just one console it has to be the "monster eater" they are boasting about. They may have to eat significant dollars per console cost up front to gain a userbase and subscription base. I think they are prepared to do just that and nobody can doubt their unrivaled pocketbook. They could make a beast and sell it for peanuts to many millions, if they choose. It just comes down to how much are they willing to bleed up front for those future Game Pass subscribers.

 

[mckmas8808]

- John Sell left MS in May.

- Lockheart was scrapped last year.

None of this happened overnight, the "news" was old by the time it had "leaked".

Lockhart was scrapped many "weeks" ago per sources.

Sources familiar with Microsoft’s plans tell The Verge that the plans for Lockhart were scrapped many weeks ago, thanks to developer concerns and a bigger focus on xCloud.

Microsoft is only launching one next-generation Xbox, not two

Rumors suggested a second console codenamed Lockhart

www.theverge.com

 

[ethomaz]

Lockhart was scrapped many "weeks" ago per sources.

Microsoft is only launching one next-generation Xbox, not two

Rumors suggested a second console codenamed Lockhart

www.theverge.com

Yeap it looks MS took the decision after Devs feedback on devkits with Lockhart / Anaconda cross development.

But some tools here will say Lockhart never existed and devs where lying about it.

 

[Munki]

Lockhart was scrapped many "weeks" ago per sources.

I believe Matt from Era over unnamed sources.

 

[mckmas8808]

I believe Matt from Era over unnamed sources.

What did Matt say?

 

[Munki]

What did Matt say?

Lockheart was scrapped last year.

 

[mckmas8808]

Lockheart was scrapped last year.

Then why didn't we hear anything about this Lockhart canceling around or after GDC (mid-March 2019)? I trust Matt alot too, but the logic doesn't add up.

 

[ethomaz]

Lockheart was scrapped last year.

Last year fall in weeks ago too.... to be fair 25-26 weeks ago was last year.

Both can be saying the same thing.