SonGoku
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The possibilities are: 54CU - 60CU - 72CU (all enabled)
54CU enabled is the max we can get on 7nm DUV with a 320bit bus
60CU and 72CU enabled are doable on 7nm EUV
Is that the equivalent of $500?
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54CU enabled is the max we can get on 7nm DUV with a 320bit bus
60CU and 72CU enabled are doable on 7nm EUV
ArabianPrynce
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How do you see the power consumption with a bigger apu size?
SonGoku
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Anything up to 1500Mhz (DUV) - 1600Mhz (EUV) should be manageable ~200-250W total system power consumption
But that's just tales from my ass.
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TeamGhobad
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what do you mean doubled? the bus?
SonGoku
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Yeah a 11-12TF system for $500 will be very well received. 13-14TF will make people go nuts
Typo, meant to write doable
$500 is the sweet spot for powerful hardware imo
PS3 had everything against, it took 3 years to match the 360 launch price, it launched later and the early multi-platforms looked and run much worse on it, it gave the feeling you were paying more for the brand while getting less in return.
A beast console that shows it in games, won't have any trouble selling at $500 during the first year to early adopters. A 2021 holiday $100 price cut would boost sales all over again
I'd like to point out that the transistor density increase for 5700 is lower than what 7nm allows
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bhunachicken
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According to current exchange rates, £449 would be $560.
But we Brits tend to get ripped off. If a console was $399 in the US, it would likely be priced at £399 over here ($499).
TeamGhobad
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LOL u get ripped off? in sweden if a console is 400dollars its about 650dollars here. and take into account that swedish gdp per capita is HALF of america.
TLZ
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And I thought Australia was bad.
TeamGhobad
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bhunachicken
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Huh, good point. I keep forgetting that US prices don't include VAT (or other taxes). If it says £399 on the shelf, that's what we pay at checkout.
TeamGhobad
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the 399 includes the VAT but american vat is very low compared to europe.
can't see the price being higher than 499 pounds,dollars etc,don't think the mass market will pay anything higher than that,you can't compare to phone prices as most pay a monthly contract price for an average of 2 years,where a console is normally purchased outright.
How close to that 14.2 tf benchmark that was posted can Sony get for 499 pounds is the question, would think they would be taking at least a one hundred pound loss to get anywhere near that figure,providing it was correct,which seems highly doubtful.Time will tell of course.
How close to that 14.2 tf benchmark that was posted can Sony get for 499 pounds is the question, would think they would be taking at least a one hundred pound loss to get anywhere near that figure,providing it was correct,which seems highly doubtful.Time will tell of course.
THE:MILKMAN
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I seriously can't see PS3's £425 launch price being "bettered". Sony couldn't wait to get the price down to £299 6 months after launch.
Sales would be at a crawl outside of the hardcore/rich at £499 and next year we might enter some sort of recession with Brexit and stuff.
I will be surprised if either Sony or Microsoft go above £399 irrespective of BOMs or most market forces. They need to sell consoles fast to ensure game/PS+ sales.
SpinningBirdKick
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FrostyJ93
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I won't really care either way. I'm unlikely to get either day 1 due to price and likely limited availability anyway.
THE:MILKMAN
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SpinningBirdKick
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Damn.....That knee in the face will hurt so much when specs get announced!
Maybe you'll decide to build a statue in my honour instead
Black swans baby!
THE:MILKMAN
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If we get any RDNA-based console with 14TF by the end of next year I will buy you a Swan!
I think we were trolled by Albert Penello when he dropped the 8TF talk. He got the inside info about RDNA in consoles.
SpinningBirdKick
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Not trolled by Penello. Just poor competitive analysis by MS. Assuming the opposition would be launching early before the benefits that 7nm EUV will bring.
So MS have likely assumed that a minor advantage with 7nm EUV would have been enough. Oops.
Yea, I am sure most valuable company in the world would miss out on 7nm EUV, while our own forum masterminds have been going on about it 24/7 non stop.
Fake
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I most hyped about the cpu counterpart, with imo are getting amazing review in comparison with Navi.
Ryzen give AMD so much hope. Is great.
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SpinningBirdKick
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They wont though. Panello redeemed.
Gamernyc78
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No way in hell its like you guys forget history. Ps3 sold for hundreds more upon release and still outsold xbox360 world wide almost every single month for years until that gen was over. Thts even taking into account the psn meltdown where it was down for months.
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LordOfChaos
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The AMD 3rd Gen Ryzen Deep Dive Review: 3700X and 3900X Raising The Bar
AT goes balls deep
Bonus for the luls:
ArabianPrynce
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Really wish amd took the cpu team and switched with the gpu team. As DF said "amd had to shrink its nodes to match midrange nvidia 12nm cards'" this is waaaaaaack. I really hope the console makers figure out a way to get more perf/watt than amd.
Fake
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To be honest, AMD get a high top gpu guy out of the company and hired by Intel. Dunno why they made that move.
LordOfChaos
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Yeah, like I said a few days ago Nvidia is still logged into their smurf account, just adjusting their 12nm parts to stay on par. 7nm Ampere is probably going to put the hurt on.
But at the same time, from a console perspective it's a marked step up from GCN, and it was the only x86 APU game in town (that we know of I guess...XE will also be out in 2020, but Intel margins are not AMD margins)
So Anadtech test bench was i9900K @ 5.0GHZ.
5700 total system TDP was ~230W
5700XT total system TDP was ~ 270W
So I am thinking round about ~40W less just duo to CPU change in consoles. Add entire system and fact that console SOC draw less for similar perf, we could be looking at ~8.5TF Navi with RT, 16GB GDDR6 and Zen2. Not bad...
What happens next year when Navi 2 is also on 7nm EUV with further improvements in perf/watt?
Mind you Zen1 wasnt going toe to toe with Intel at beginning, AMD needed few years to start fully matching them and beating at lower TDP. You need few years of R&D to beat Nvidia that has been at full swing for last 4 years.
5700 total system TDP was ~230W
5700XT total system TDP was ~ 270W
So I am thinking round about ~40W less just duo to CPU change in consoles. Add entire system and fact that console SOC draw less for similar perf, we could be looking at ~8.5TF Navi with RT, 16GB GDDR6 and Zen2. Not bad...
Its not about teams, its about R&D which their GPU division severely lacked.
What happens next year when Navi 2 is also on 7nm EUV with further improvements in perf/watt?
Mind you Zen1 wasnt going toe to toe with Intel at beginning, AMD needed few years to start fully matching them and beating at lower TDP. You need few years of R&D to beat Nvidia that has been at full swing for last 4 years.
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ArabianPrynce
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I am bringing down my expectation for next gen down to like 8tflops because this is lame lol. These cards are widly ineffiecent considering the node shrink. Its very hard to see either both sony or ms go above 8tflops considering the per/watt for these cards. Not to mention that consoles are gonna get a cut down version of these cards too. unless we get the miracle that they are both using rdna 2 with 7nm euv(which i doubt at this point).
Its really dissapointing that we could have had a gen with all aspects being high end, amazing cpu,gpu and ssd. but it seems we may be gpu bottleneck AGAIN. amd really shafted them with the gpu XD.
HOPE I AM WRONG THOUGHT lol.
ArabianPrynce
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Whats wack is that consoles wont get those benifits unfortunetely which is wat i am consernd about.
LordOfChaos
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Looks like that super outsized particle physics score was real from multiple results coming in, and that's under OpenCL, beating a 2080TI in CUDA in that one place
System manufacturer System Product Name - Geekbench
Benchmark results for a System manufacturer System Product Name with an AMD Ryzen 9 3900X processor.
browser.geekbench.com
CrustyBritches
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He probably had his voltage too low for his Metro result. Think he said ~32W for underclock/undervolt 8-core Zen 2. 5700 Pro is ~170W average gaming consumption. Add 32W for CPU and +16W for 8GB GDDR6(16GB total), plus the rest of the system. That anandtech "Building the PS5" vid had camera swings all over the place, but I'm seeing ~250W on his kill-a-watt after underclock/undervolt on CPU.
On the plus side, this pretty much confirms superb CPU performance coming our way. Hopefully we'll see Performance and Visual modes for every game.
He probably had his voltage too low for his Metro result. Think he said ~32W for underclock/undervolt 8-core Zen 2. 5700 Pro is ~170W average gaming consumption. Add 32W for CPU and +16W for 8GB GDDR6(16GB total), plus the rest of the system. That anandtech "Building the PS5" vid had camera swings all over the place, but I'm seeing ~250W on his kill-a-watt after underclock/undervolt on CPU.
On the plus side, this pretty much confirms superb CPU performance coming our way. Hopefully we'll see Performance and Visual modes for every game.
Still good when you look into entire package. Zen2 is amazing. We will get tons of fastest RAM and SSD.
Navi outperforms GCN comfortably and they have to release consoles at some point
What I wonder how did Anandtech get 231W for full system with 9900K at 5GHZ? That polish site that had first review had similar numbers as well, and RX570 having 220W (RX590 was at 270W).
I think they will be able to fit something between the two in consoles.
vpance
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What's to be disappointed by? People were in fear of 11TF GCN. Now we are a lock for 13.
15+ is possible if they decide to go above 200W on EUV.
ArabianPrynce
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The chances are up in the air for 7nm euv. If Sony ends up using it. I’ll jump off a window lol
CrustyBritches
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This type of performance is expected and impressive. I have realistic expectations.
They're using a kill-a-watt with whatever method of guesstimation they go with. Tom's Hardware and Techpowerup are measuring card-only draw at the slot and PCI-e connector.
The 5700 more or less matches the 2060 base in average gaming consumption and beats it in perf/watt. That's pretty fucking impressive.
That anandtech PS5 vid was mostly focused on FPS performance with underclocked CPU. He didn't mention total system pull after the CPU underclock/undervolt, but this is the readout during the 120fps test...
Looks like 255W, but it's hard to see even after I enhanced it. Going by Xbox One X and RX 480, 8.3TF seems right in the wheelhouse of consoles next-gen.
LordOfChaos
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Looks like that completely outsized Particle Physics subscore was real, from multiple results coming in. Interesting. Given AMD seems to be going for a hybrid RT approach for RDNA 2.0 in 2020, I wonder if this was a half step towards building out this portion of the chip for it.
https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/compute/4259036
Navi at 200,000+ FPS, even under CUDA the 2080TI does 80,000. Interesting implications for the quantity of particle physics for next gen.
https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/compute/4259036
Navi at 200,000+ FPS, even under CUDA the 2080TI does 80,000. Interesting implications for the quantity of particle physics for next gen.
vpance
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EUV has got to be used. It's a huge mistake if they don't.
Maybe bandwidth?
Undervolting - Seite 26 - Hardwareluxx
Zweimal RNDA in Navi: Die Radeon RX 5700 und Radeon RX 5700 XT im Test
www.hardwareluxx.de
So undervolting works well with Navi. 5700 gone from 177W to 163W with clock increase.
I wonder how good it would be with 40CUs running at underclocked 5700. Probably sub 160W.
Insane Metal
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RX5700 lite and Ryzen 3600 lite coming to a PS5 near you.
demigod
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You'd love to have Penello redeemed wouldn't you? It's too bad he's wrong. He was always talking about GCN TF and not RDNA.
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