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Denial of what exactly? Just curious.
This is disingenuous at best, with PS4 and PC alone you have a huge potential user base and right now they are THE incumbent with a successful business, experience, and with growth potential while this article completely ignores it even exists to essentially give an unknown not launched service free hype (might have a preorder Xcloud now link ).
As compared to what exactly? And where is the breakout of PS Now’s revenue as opposed to all of PSN?
We should assume it to be impressive because Daniel says it is?
Are we back to the “PS Family” thing again?
As compared to what exactly? And where is the breakout of PS Now’s revenue as opposed to all of PSN?
We should assume it to be impressive because Daniel says it is?
Are we back to the “PS Family” thing again?
PC and PS4 is tiny compared to Mobile.
The article is right, Microsoft is in a far better position than other companies to become the Netflix of Gaming.
The only reason Sony is resisting the change is because they know that with a business model that relies on constant burning of cash, they can't compete against faints like Microsoft, Apple, Google and Amazon.
But the main question is why crazy extremist Sony fans are complaining about PSNow not having the same coverage and talking about Console Sales despite Cloud gaming has nothing to do with it.
I think it should be clear why.
- Sony's solution is crap, 5 years after release and only achieving 700,000 users is an absolute failure for any company. Whereas Game Pass came out in 2017 and already has millions of users and Microsoft will extend that user base with XCloud.
- Sony has to rely on Microsoft to have their service become better
- Sony's business model counteracts with Game Subscription services. Their games are single player one-off games, completely the opposite of subscriptions.
- Sony can't compete in a money burning business model.
Google, Microsoft and Apple are loosing TONES of money in order to gain market share. The chart below shows how much Netflix losses every year. Can Sony be prepared to loose BILLIONS every year against companies that have vastly more resources?
With common sense the answer is a big NO. They are not prepared to loose Billions every year.
You don't have your foot in the video game industry as much as they do. You're just a NeoGAF poster with absolutely no credibility.
You're basically telling us to take your opinion over theirs, which is hilarious.
You wanna post them Game Pass revenues?
Why not? Daniel's opinion is without the necessary factual support and Matt's opinion that PS Now has grown to only 700K users in 5 years is not nearly as impressive as you seem to think it is.
In any event, neither one of them is final word on the matter and I remain unconvinced. If you are, that's fine.
Let's talk about tuna salad.
Since you cannot focus on the topic at hand I figure we just pick a random topic the way you do and talk about that.
So what do you put in yours? I'm a boiled egg and celery man. My sister thinks celery seed is the way to go but she's a tree hugger.
I need to watch the celery stalks die under my knife. How about you?
Sony continues to invest in PS Now, and they will continue going forward.
Numbers of subscriptions has already been reported, and they believe it's good based on a very niche market that has yet to hit the masses.
This means subscriptions will likely grow as time goes on.
They're in the marketing research firm and see it as a positive.
You're just pretending to be one on NeoGAF and you want people to take your opinion over theirs.
You're no different than fanboys coming in Sony threads about sales, saying, "It only sold 10 million copies out 100 million consoles sold?"
What people do to discredit facts is to try to discredit the source.
Now tell is, how how many years have you spent as a video game analysis?
Mat and Zhuge could have been wrong several times in the past about their predictions, but they're still far more credible than you, and we just have to search your post history to figure that out.
Yes. The investment is incalculable.
Microsoft and Sony unveiled a surprising partnership last week that will see the companies collaborate to develop future cloud solutions for game and content-streaming services. While both companies have spent more than 15 years battling it out over PlayStation and Xbox sales, Sony is now looking to Microsoft’s vast cloud experience to help power its existing and future streaming services, and Microsoft is teaming with a rival to fend off far larger gaming threats.
Sony Interactive Entertainment CEO Jim Ryan spoke at the company's most recent investor relations (IR) day and reaffirmed the importance of cloud gaming and streaming services to PlayStation going forward. The presentation specifically referenced Sony's short-term and long-term strategies with PlayStation Now, PS4 Remote Play, and Sony's new partnership with Microsoft regarding game streaming technologies.
/threadThis is nothing more than a fanboy post.
Do you know why Game Pass has millions of subscribers?
They're giving away subscriptions for $1
ONE DOLLAR.
That means they're trying to get as many people in as possible at high rate in an attempt to make them stay long term. Game Pass is not as popular as you think it is, and there's a reason why they have been giving away 1 dollar subs for so long.
For the past several months you have been going on and on about how Sony will not compete with Microsoft and Google because they don't have the servers to complete.
Now that has changed, you have simply moved the goalpost.
This is why the Xbox community gets criticized, because they tend to hype up Microsoft, and downplay Sony's success (who is giant in the video game industry).
At this point, Sony has in far better position than the others simply because they have PS Now in place and they're the market leader in the console market with millions of gamers in their ecosystem.
So now it’s just “fishy”? No longer a global conspiracy between MS and the western media corporatists like Forbes, CNN, and MSNBC to destroy the purity of Japanese gaming?
What happened? Alex Jones no longer taking your calls?
So should everyone else.
It’s not up to them to prop up the entire industry.
Dude, just give it up.
"slashes devices" = historical fact.
"now looking" = aspirational goal.
Wake me up when we get to the splash park daddy.
Again, you guys are still thinking its all about hardware. Next gen won't be like this one. Some of you guys need to embrace the future (Cloud and subscriptions). That's where alot of this is going. And clearly, Microsoft won't be helping Sony by fouling up next gen reveal. Theyve got studios up the wazoo working on next gen games. This doesn't include Google and Amazons arrival. Next gen will be interested indeed. Sony could dominate again, but it won't be near as easy. That much is certain.Microsoft defense force staying strong. It's not a secret that Microsoft is way way behind Sony and Nintendo when it comes to releasing killer first party exclusives that help in selling more consoles. It's entirely up to them to improve that situation, if they'll release great exclusives people will buy their hardware to play them.
Again, you guys are still thinking its all about hardware. Next gen won't be like this one. Some of you guys need to embrace the future (Cloud and subscriptions). That's where alot of this is going. And clearly, Microsoft won't be helping Sony by fouling up next gen reveal. Theyve got studios up the wazoo working on next gen games. This doesn't include Google and Amazons arrival. Next gen will be interested indeed. Sony could dominate again, but it won't be near as easy. That much is certain.
It's not ALL about hardware, but it IS very important.
Xbox fans on NeoGAF think gamers are going to drop everything and move straight to cloud gaming.
THAT'S NOT going to happen.
Amazon, Google, Microsoft and Sony are all going to have their own streaming service..
But guess what?
Xbox gamers will most likely move to xCloud and Sony gamers will most likely move to PS Now when/if streaming takes off.
Meh.Kagey K, you're on thin ice my friend.
You simply can't defend MS here the way you are anymore. You've likely got a ban coming your way if you keep it up. Just accept your Sony overlords and let it be.
Tell me about how a PS4 user with an Apple XS is going to play on PSNow.
Right now, as of this morning there is no universal app, and everything you have to do to get remote play on your phone is far beyond what the average consumer is willing to do.Remote Play... you should have put a more stringent set of acceptance criteria .
PSNow will expand, PS4 and PC/Mac are a big target and with iOS 13 adding Dual Shock 4 support I do not see PSNow on iOS being that far behind... Android (Samsung and Google Pixel phones) too.
Right now, as of this morning there is no universal app, and everything you have to do to get remote play on your phone is far beyond what the average consumer is willing to do.
That is the point of these cloud services right now, and so many here seem to be missing it.
It amuses me how much faith a lot of the Xbox crowd continually have in a unreleased service. Why do they think the other console makers will be doing absolutely nothing to prepare for the future is beyond me. Is it because the Microsoft marketing machine is just that much better than the rest? Legitimate question.Moving goal posts now after asking the question ?
For a lot of people on mobile PSNow, xCloud, Stadia, etc... will underperform as 4G effective speed and 5G are oversold. Go bear London Bridge or many central London areas and see how well all those full four bars do .
Anyways, if you can give to an unreleased product all your trust and have faith it will deliver while a product that does deliver already on two huge platforms (PS4 Remote Play is based on the same streaming tech btw) is not given any trust to keep expanding not only on more countries but on more devices is the part where this conversation becomes partisan and illogical IMHO.
Moving goal posts now after asking the question ?
For a lot of people on mobile PSNow, xCloud, Stadia, etc... will underperform as 4G effective speed and 5G are oversold. Go near London Bridge or many central London areas and see how well all those full four bars do .
Anyways, if you can give to an unreleased product all your trust and have faith it will deliver while a product that does deliver already on two huge platforms (PS4 Remote Play is based on the same streaming tech btw) is not given any trust to keep expanding not only on more countries but on more devices is the part where this conversation becomes partisan and illogical IMHO.
I’ll take it back to the original point. Sony launched PS Now on many devices, then reverted back to PC, PS4 and certain Sony phones only.It amuses me how much faith a lot of the Xbox crowd continually have in a unreleased service. Why do they think the other console makers will be doing absolutely nothing to prepare for the future is beyond me. Is it because the Microsoft marketing machine is just that much better than the rest? Legitimate question.
Why would you invest in a service if they might revoke it later for seemingly no good reason?
Sure, in some way, but it's also different, nobody (or I don't notice it) uses what sounds like empty corporate speak to prop up "the brand". They get excited about games, some specific hardware revision, etc. Tangible and relatable stuff.Are Sony and Nintendo fans not excited about the future of their favorite platforms. Nothing is wrong with Xbox fans being excited about the future of Xbox. Microsoft is certainly not giving up on it.
Is this supposed to be an answer to my question? Because...it sure doesn't seem like one.
If PS Now's revenue numbers are not public, how exactly would Daniel know if those numbers accounted for a significant portion of Sony's general network revenues or not?
In case you haven't noticed, straw man arguments and memes do not impress me much. But when you come up with an actual response, I'll be sure to consider it.
Thanks Yoda.
I’ll take it back to the original point. Sony launched PS Now on many devices, then reverted back to PC, PS4 and certain Sony phones only.
Why would you invest in a service if they might revoke it later for seemingly no good reason?
That made me chuckle.
These cloud services are for the casuals that don’t buy consoles.
This is a post so full of fallacies.
I think everyone here assumes anyone here will continue to be on consoles and only using cloud as a last resort, while they are away from home for an extended period of time.
These cloud services are for the casuals that don’t buy consoles.
How are Sony users going to use PS Now as it stands on thier phones? While away from home? Are all PS users Xperia owners?
Tell me about how a PS4 user with an Apple XS is going to play on PSNow.
Because that service is limited to less devices now then it used to be. Had they grown it and extended it to more devices instead of less, they might be getting the same press.
They went a different route and now need to reinsert themselves into the conversation, which also means backtracking certain decisions.
Microsoft recently just gave up on ebook purchases, but at least they gave refunds (well maybe only credit), Games for Windows Live users weren't so
Read the message above for MS playing the long game, add msn messenger, everybody who bought music files from stores that distrbuted WMA files with its DRM system, lync business, and countless other products MS abandoned - this is normal they will throw money at a project for as long as they believe there is a possibility to turn it into some meaningful income driver for the business, like any business, this is not sarcasm, businesses people tend to be industrious.Add this to Google's tendancy and reputation of having no patience and to just cut and run on services that don't take off right away,
Is there anything else "as of this morning "? so what are you talking about? That's the thing, they dropped support for it for a reason. Much like MS dropped support for Windows Phone. People weren't using it on their Vitas, Phones/Tablets on some crappy high latency 3G/4G network but xCloud is the second-coming apparently.Right now, as of this morning there is no universal app, and everything you have to do to get remote play on your phone is far beyond what the average consumer is willing to do.
That is the point of these cloud services right now, and so many here seem to be missing it.
But they have been doing for a few years already. It's true. So what? What do you think the hive is defending them from?I understand any skepticism around cloud gaming but then to cry that Sony has been doing it longer just smacks of hive defend mode mentality
Did I not say before that some of the board members live in some type of alternate reality.But they have been doing for a few years already. It's true. So what? What do you think the hive is defending them from?
Some people wont be buying xbox next gen. Who cares? Its wheree my friends are and where i will be. I enjoyed my ps4 for last of us multiplayer but love xbox for all the great multiplayer games.Annoying and frustrating thread to read, as usual with Xbox related threads. So with Microsoft buying all these studios, they should have their fair share of console exclusives next gen, so whats the new rhetoric going to be?. First it was power, until the X launched. Then it was exclusives, but it looks like Xbox will be sorted regarding that next gen. So what will it be next?, Xcloud vs PSNow?.
We had psnow and have not cared about it for an eternity... As for the exclusive situation, you have to understand that: early in the gen we were told that they would pull people thoward the one, Titanfall came and went... But there was no actual follow through, no sustained effort... Sure MS bought a lot of talented developers, what they need to prove is that they will manage that talent in a way that is conductive to great games (i.e. focus on the games first, not the business model around it, don't release fancy store fronts disguising as games, and call that gaas).Then it was exclusives, but it looks like Xbox will be sorted regarding that next gen. So what will it be next?, Xcloud vs PSNow?.
Annoying and frustrating thread to read, as usual with Xbox related threads. So with Microsoft buying all these studios, they should have their fair share of console exclusives next gen, so whats the new rhetoric going to be?. First it was power, until the X launched. Then it was exclusives, but it looks like Xbox will be sorted regarding that next gen. So what will it be next?, Xcloud vs PSNow?.
Did you even read the article? Psnow isn't even mentioned, so why even bring it up in this thread? Why are we talking about psnow if it's not even really mentioned? That's why it smacks of defend the hiveBut they have been doing for a few years already. It's true. So what? What do you think the hive is defending them from?
Did you even read the article? Psnow isn't even mentioned, so why even bring it up in this thread? Why are we talking about psnow if it's not even really mentioned? That's why it smacks of defend the hive
Totally agree ,it's inane casual drivel. Which is yet another reason why it's strange why the usual suspects have to get so pissy about itBecause the article feels like badly researched article at best cheerleading puff piece...