I didn't tell you what you could or couldn't enjoy some of you guys are full blown retarded and defensive as fuck over a opinion that doesn't align with your own
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VR is a fad and will never take off
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Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
I don't get why it's so hard for the haters to get it. It's not kinect. It's kinda like the difference between pointing and clicking to shoot, vs playing a good old lightgun game like Ghost Squad (with an actual pinpoint accurate lightgun, not HD-era console ports). Except the gun game in VR presents a far larger difference as the setting envelops you rather than be on a flat screen and can be intuitively free roaming like any PC FPS with that added immersion and a new player skill factor that is completely different to pointing and clicking, plus any gun can have realistic reloading methods as you manually switch magazines, pull the bolts, whatever, any gadget realistic uses with pulling the pin off a grenade with your own two hands, and so on (or it can also be simplified as in arcadey games where you can reload by lowering your weapons). Did you never have fun in such games or at least understand how they're different to controlling crosshair with a mouse or analog stick and can provide a new, fun experience that has another skill factor as it mimics real life aiming to a degree? That obviously translates to every physical action in VR, not just guns, as the controllers aren't guns but rather versatile devices that incorporate all traditional controls on top of the tracking allowing you to do all sorts of things, from throwing something, to using melee weapons, to just interacting with the environment realistically, with something as simple as a pressure switch up to intricate machinery like an actual bomber cockpit and all its gear without having to have a bulky 1:1 Thrustmaster Warthog recreation just for that (and a recreation for every other plane you fly, when you can just have it in VR fully interactive). So, you can push a button and watch your guy do a cool combo or you can actually wield the weapons yourself and feel like you're hot shit rather than watch someone being hot shit or only being hot shit in your thumbs. It's not that hard to get even if you haven't experienced it, any hater is simply unwilling to. Or trolling. Mostly that I guess, if one doesn't care about something the logical thing is to move on rather than misrepresent it with ignorance about what it offers yet still get in arguments with people who know all that first hand, but not these guys, heh, no, you have to submit to their uninformed opinion otherwise you're "retarded" as above.
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I know how the tech works you guys aren't the smartest people in the world I said that in the beginning and I keep saying I'm not sold and all you guys keep doing is going "oh you haven't read this study!" Or "you haven't seen this tech demo!" I said I'm not sold and what you're saying isn't selling me you're too caught up on defending your purchase or why YOU believe it's this revolutionary gaming asset that blows the lid off of everything else and if you disagree you don't know what you're talking about smh.
DarthBuzzer
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No one that has responded to you has said anything uneducated. Everything you've said has been completely nonsensical however.
User has been removed from thread. Improve your signal to noise ratio.
Shut the fuck up
DarthBuzzer
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If you know how the tech works, then please explain to me what are the two directly related issues that involve a biological conflict with the eyes and the name for this term?
And by extension, using the context formed within that question, what number is generally specified for the [...] length in meters?
Sounds vague? Doesn't matter. Anyone who knows how the tech actually works would know the answer.
Maybe also explain to us how socializing in VR differs from outside. This one may be impossible for you considering you disagree that there is any benefit to be had.
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Romulus
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Your imposing your views like theres no other option for the rest of us. What are talking about? You are the one in VR thread with a closed off mindset and have no interest in VR, let that sink why you keep coming back and wasting your time on something you dont care about.
DarthBuzzer
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Kam down fair.
Who am i imposing my views on? I'm stating my opinion like i did on my original post and people don't like it I said I'm not sold you don't have to reply trying to convince me or assume that people who don't feel that same as you are uninformed get out the house please I beg you there are people in this world who are just as knowledgeable as you and will have a opposite opinion
gifgaf
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And I said you need to experience to understand it. You can know how the tech works all day but not experiencing it is where you fall on your face. Ask anyone who has tried real VR and you will mostly get the same answer, knowing how the tech works is a far cry for actually experiencing it.
Thaedolus
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I'm like 90% sure homey's just a fuckin troll man, this is arguing with a brick wall that has never experienced VR before yet has all the hot takes on it.
On actually experiencing it: people had raved about the audio on Index before I bought it and tried it myself. I expected high quality, but I was blown away by how the audio completely put me in the game and was so accurate to real life 3D audio. But I really didn't have any idea on how that affected the experience until I tried it.
On actually experiencing it: people had raved about the audio on Index before I bought it and tried it myself. I expected high quality, but I was blown away by how the audio completely put me in the game and was so accurate to real life 3D audio. But I really didn't have any idea on how that affected the experience until I tried it.
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Romulus
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Right, but over and over. We get it, you don't like even though your experience is incredibly limited. Why continue?
Everything you're saying is subjective. You're cursing at people, telling people to get out of the house when in fact you're also a gamer. That just sums it up. There's very little you've said that's made sense on the subject or added and substance to the conversion just "I don't like VR." That's basically all you've said. You're talking about graphics when people post tech videos that clearly show so many other aspects but you're just completely clueless on it all. But keep wasting your time.
Anyone can have any opinion they want, I'm fine with it, but what have you offered beyond that? Nothing.
DarthBuzzer
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What's great is that the Index audio quality is still nothing compared to the audio experience that is yet to come. We haven't properly hit raytraced audio in games yet with real-time propagation modelling, and we don't even have HRTFs for our individual ears; just generic HRTF algorithms. So we'll see big jumps for audio even beyond that, until such a time in the near to medium term future where virtual sounds feel as real as real world sounds, and will likely feel more real on average by the nature of people wanting to have their sound up high.
And I said no so let it go there is nothing about vr as advertised that makes me want to take a interest in it or believe in it point blank period
I'm stating my opinion if you don't like it put on your vr headset and ignore that reality
Thaedolus
Gold Member
Even the seemingly small choice of having them be zero-contact is a game changer. I have have worn very comfy Sennheisers and ear buds for years, and you're always peripherally away that something is clamped down on your head or in your ear hole. Now it just feels like the sounds are coming in naturally instead of from some device surrounding or penetrating your ear. It make a huge difference.
gifgaf
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Then stop acting as if you know what your talking about because you don't. You have no experience but acting as if your an authority on the subject then get pissy when the people who actually have real experience comment on your bullshit, that's what I have a problem with. You don't wanna use it? Fine, why are you here then if not to just troll.
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trikster40
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To be fair, and I’m just jumping in here, but based on comments, you haven’t even tried VR yet?
Don’t you need to at least try it to have an educated opinion on it? If you tried it and then decided you didn’t like it, all of the people objecting to your opinion wouldn’t have a leg to stand on.
I’m not refuting the right to your opinion, but being so confrontational without having any personal experience doesn’t support your opinion.
I hate liver and onions. But I’ve never tried it. The thought of eating liver makes my stomach churn. I can’t definitively say that I hate it because I could actually love it. I don’t know, I haven’t experienced it.
I used to hate beer. Then I found one I liked. Now I love beer. Just sayin’.
I stated my opinion get off my dick and don't reply if you don't agree
No I'm not sold on vr as a concept my original statements was I don't think it's the revolutionary thing we're being sold but it'll always be here in some capacity then came all the defenders of the platform trying to sell me on something that's not moving me for my personal opinion if you don't agree state it and move on but trying to constantly tell me I need to do xyz when I told you "no and here's why" comes off as ridiculous. For my personal tastes it has to beat the real thing or what I have on console and it hasn't but instead here comes all the "recent studies show" bullshit I didn't ask them to provide and that's the problem with a lot of gamers they can't fathom a different opinion on something and since it's so different then what they're used to you have to be stupid or outright ignorant of the topic people just can't take someone's opinion as just that and let it be
Romulus
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I never had a problem with your opinion from the beginning, its the way you entered the conversation and you continue it.
gifgaf
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We are not trying to sell it to you, far from it. We are saying some of the shit you said is uninformed bullshit that's all.
then you get all pissy when we try to educate.
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I stated my opinion dude you've been on this since this thread was created defending vr from people's opinions
DarthBuzzer
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There is no why. You can't use any way to justify why because there's nothing to go off. No points. How do you know it doesn't beat what you have on a console? You keep saying that consoles are better, yet you've never even tried VR.
Your opinion means nothing if it's built off nothing in the first place. People tend to be fine with differing opinions, but only when they are built on some form of logic.
Nah you're sold on vr have fun I'm not it's a novelty in 20 years? Maybe but I doubt itWe are not trying to sell it to you, far from it. We are saying some of the shit you said is uninformed bullshit that's all.
gifgaf
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I'm sold because I've tried it not like some other people here who have an opinion on something that they haven't even experienced. Woops.
DarthBuzzer
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Love the random timeline that has no prior context to go off.
You said it yourself there is no basketball game that did what I asked there is no standing vr game or sitting vr game that does what I asked but real life and a console with a controller can and that was my whole point if it can't do those things it's a novelty just being in the game but outside of that it hinges on the experience of "wow it's vr" room scale vr isn't feasible in real life all you have is a bunch of apps and tech demos that are cool but nothing that will make me invest in it you're all in we get it but me and others aren't and that's the end of it
You're sold I'm not enjoy your experience
gifgaf
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The almighty has spoken, let's pack it up people.
DarthBuzzer
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Do you mostly play basketball games or something? What kind of nonsense logic is the inability to do lifelike basketball leading into it being a novelty?
What games do you actually play? What genres, your favorites?
Romulus
Member
When I state my opinion about something I enjoy it's "defending" it, but when you come into something negatively over an over with zero experience and have absolutely no care for, it's fine.
I play everything outside of mobas and MMOs i like to play basketball in real life and in game form vr can give me the experience of neither one that's my stance on vr if it doesn't beat real life and doesn't surpass the console version of whatever it is the only difference is the novelty of it being vr. The shit is snake oil in it's current form tbh they shouldn't even be selling it to people in it's current form
I stated my opinion once and you like on every other post you come to defend vr like it's your child get a life dude
gifgaf
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And what current form is that may I ask, since your so knowledgeable in the ways of VR.
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Thank you your tribe is now blessed and will yield bountiful crops and your enemies will be crushed under your feet.
Everything titled basketball vr it's a stand still shooting gallery instead of actual basketball hell even in 2k with all it's problems I can move my player freely call screens do dribble moves etc I'm not downing the progress but it's not there and to pretend that it is and worth the money is ridiculous
Romulus
Member
Well if I'm "defending" you must be "bashing" then. The difference is I like VR and this is a VR thread. You don't even care about VR yet you're still here.
gifgaf
Member
How do you know any of this? You haven't even tried it, you are guessing and that is the problem. The reason you have many people "on your dick" is because they know something you do not. Why can't you see this.
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I stated my opinion last time I checked this thread wasn't titled "vr lovers come here!" It's about if it's a fad or not none of what my original or posts since we're bashing vr and even if it was you need to grow up and not turn into the vr defence force anytime someone doesn't praise the experience that is virtual reality
I saw with my own eyes and heard with my ears that says you can't they teleport you around the court or they put you into a shooting drill which is awkward af trying to do a shooting motion WHILE pressing a button or two meanwhile in real life i can pick up a ball and just shoot it or play a pick up game on console I can press a button or flick a stick that's what Im talking about.
gifgaf
Member
If you actually had some experience and proper criticism then you would have got a better reaction. God there is enough on VR to criticise but your points are just silly and uninformed. People who have tried VR can see right through it.
Romulus
Member
Okay man.
I disagree that it's worth spending money on the social interaction is being sold to people who look forward to never having to take the headset off and I'm not one of those people
DarthBuzzer
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So basically almost all types of games. Good news! VR has lots of benefits for most types of games, and I listed them in a previous page in bullet points. Most VR ports tend to be preferred in VR.
I love how you can tell it's snake oil without having ever tried it. And if it doesn't sell in it's current form, how does it get improved beyond that? See, you didn't think this through did you?
Who's shitting on it? Shitting on it would be saying it sucks
DarthBuzzer
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That's weird, because I could have sworn I know plenty of people that get out a lot in real life who love to socialize in VR.
DarthBuzzer
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You said it's snake oil and shouldn't be sold. Ergo: shitting on it. You really love to contradict yourself don't you?
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