The Cockatrice
Member
I've said in the OT and I'll say it here. I was about to buy this shit next week but not anymore. Removed from my wishlist as well. Do not buy it, do not support 3D realms anymore.
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Ion Fury devs patch out non-PC jokes and force all employees & contractors to undergo mandatory sensitivity training
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Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
I'm all for the fagbag bit being patched out, don't know why it was there to begin with.
But Olay being Ogay was a stupid kind of funny. Childish humour from the 90's, which is the whole point of the game, to feel like a relic from that time for better or worse.
I take more issue with the sensitivity training bullshit they're being subjected to. All because of saying some SJWs are nutty, which is true, and the fact that they don't agree with parents deciding that their newborn is transgender?
Edit: I mean for fuck's sake, isn't choosing your own sex the whole point of the gender fluidity and identity rights they trumpet? To me, a parent deciding whether or not their child is transgender completely goes against that.
But Olay being Ogay was a stupid kind of funny. Childish humour from the 90's, which is the whole point of the game, to feel like a relic from that time for better or worse.
I take more issue with the sensitivity training bullshit they're being subjected to. All because of saying some SJWs are nutty, which is true, and the fact that they don't agree with parents deciding that their newborn is transgender?
Edit: I mean for fuck's sake, isn't choosing your own sex the whole point of the gender fluidity and identity rights they trumpet? To me, a parent deciding whether or not their child is transgender completely goes against that.
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Ivory Blood
Member
Words to live by
Mojoraisin
Member
Seems like they don't judging by latest developments in the industry . Anyway, rather revolted by the idea myself, but you can't deny that propaganda and making your narrative heard loudly has shaped our entire modern civilization. These nutjobs are good at just that. It's only an observation.
Closer
Member
I put the bare minimum effort because they are doing a minimal change to the game. It's not worth a discussion.
You are ignoring the fact that they are responding and apologizing for at least one person that bought the game and discovered that stuff. That stuff is so minimal that could have been ignored, in my opinion, but the person that bought the game thought it was offensive. On the other side here, we have people judging the developers because someone got two minimal things changed. This is the sad reality we are living. People fighting over minimal things.
The part about the sensitivity training and financial donation is not worth a discussion either, because they are related to how people acted on Discord.
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MrCunningham
Member
How the fuck can you force a contractor to do sensitivity training? That's not how that's suppose to work. Contractors are not employees, you can't enforce mandatory anything on contract work, that isn't part of the contracted deal.
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Petrae
Member
This is, ultimately, the best course of action to take. While it’s easier to give in to anger and lash out at certain groups for being intolerant, binary people... withholding money or requesting refunds is the high road to take, especially since the dev team is removing most comments and communication is limited.
The lack of money is eventually felt, and, at some point, there will be some introspection as to why this occurred. Did the developers really gain that much by caving to intolerance and super-sensitive people who were never going to buy their game anyway? Maybe a different tactic, like shutting out outrage merchants like traditional “games journalists” and pursuing a new PR strategy makes sense for the future.
Or, perhaps, it’s time to accept what the modern video game industry has become: a spineless business that folds at a first sign of a potential controversy that stems from the loud minority. It wants all the money, yet panders to the relatively few. It’s not worth supporting that much anymore, because it’s merely a shadow of its former self.
crumbs
Member
I like how you keep ignoring all the other things that were a part of the dev's capitulation (sensitivity training, forced donations to agitprop groups, public apologies). Maybe you don't think it's worth a discussion because you don't understand the issue.
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EightBit Man
Member
These old build engine games were known for mocking everything PC. What a bunch of spineless developers they turned out to be.
How tyrannical do you want to get? We have moved far beyond Orwell's 1984 at this point. I'm sick of it...the whole charade...the whole artificial "lets all be friends with each other" at the cost of personal viewpoints and expressions of it.
As Charlton Heston said, Political correctness is tyranny with manners.
How tyrannical do you want to get? We have moved far beyond Orwell's 1984 at this point. I'm sick of it...the whole charade...the whole artificial "lets all be friends with each other" at the cost of personal viewpoints and expressions of it.
As Charlton Heston said, Political correctness is tyranny with manners.
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Scopa
The Tribe Has Spoken
Me
Yesterday: “Wow, this game sounds great. I will be buying it once I get done with my current game”
Today: “You’re kidding me? Another spineless dev/publisher kowtowing to a vocal minority that don’t buy their games anyway. Ok then, I’m scratching this off my wanted list. I can’t support this weak attitude.
Yesterday: “Wow, this game sounds great. I will be buying it once I get done with my current game”
Today: “You’re kidding me? Another spineless dev/publisher kowtowing to a vocal minority that don’t buy their games anyway. Ok then, I’m scratching this off my wanted list. I can’t support this weak attitude.
Barnabot
Member
Turning into Resetera's bitch is the worst case scenario.
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Closer
Member
I like how you think all of those are not from their own volition and were forced to do that.
crumbs
Member
Are you for real? Or just super naive?
The Cockatrice
Member
This is considered disrespectful. What a fucking shitshow.
Dada55000
Member
ah, so you're not even both sides ing it, since you now turned it into shit tier fanfiction about a single person complaining, as opposed to ree doing their harassment shit based on slander, then saying that that's beautiful and sacred, but people complaining about them in turn are horrible, and to top it off disingenously saying the cause and effects of this frothing lunacy by ree are irrelevant
gg man
Closer
Member
Did I?
Ivory Blood
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Dada55000
Member
Short memory
don't cry to me about the paraphrasing, 'sad reality' didn't much extend to your endorsement of "1 persons's" complaint changing shit, but it sure did to what followedCloser said:
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Haven't played it myself yet but naw man all the impressions have been glowing, saying how its polished and full of content. A proper successor to the og trio of Duke, Shadow Warrior, and Blood.
Closer
Member
I can't find the "then saying that that's beautiful and sacred, but people complaining about them in turn are horrible " part, as I said both parts are "horrible", as your paraphrasing.
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Revolutionary
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Ion Fury General Discussions :: Steam Community
Ion Fury - While Shelly “Bombshell” Harrison earned her codename defusing bombs for the Global Defense Force, when evil transhumanist mastermind Dr. Jadus Heskel unleashes the members of his cybernetic cult onto the streets of Neo DC, she knows it’s time to start causing explosions instead of...
Doesn't seem like a big deal?
Every rational human being knows that SJW types are total jokes, but they have to be careful of saying this kinda shit when representing the company. That's all the sensitivity training is about. It's an empty victory for Era - everyone is still laughing at them.
Dada55000
Member
you're crying about the paraphrasing, hey bucky boo, use the noggin' on the last comment, it's not long,
"buh where I say exact wurd"
Closer
Member
I could quote for you were I said "we got crybabies on both sides" and the "people fighting over minimal things", but I'm too lazy and you are too busy being mad just like those that got the game changed.
Musky_Cheese
Banned
100% I hope no one especially from GAF review bombs, harasses, or otherwise acts in an immature manner over this.
However I don’t believe GAF is or will organize that kind of douchebaggery
brap
Banned
Gotcha. Everything in gaming will be pc because of era? Good on them for getting what they want?Ion Fury General Discussions :: Steam Community
Ion Fury - While Shelly “Bombshell” Harrison earned her codename defusing bombs for the Global Defense Force, when evil transhumanist mastermind Dr. Jadus Heskel unleashes the members of his cybernetic cult onto the streets of Neo DC, she knows it’s time to start causing explosions instead of...steamcommunity.com
Doesn't seem like a big deal?
Every rational human being knows that SJW types are total jokes, but they have to be careful of saying this kinda shit when representing the company. That's all the sensitivity training is about. It's an empty victory for Era - everyone is still laughing at them.
TrainedRage
Banned
Imagine being so f**king fragile that a simple joke about lotion triggers you into forcing a company to change a VIDEOGAME!
Snowflakes indeed.
Snowflakes indeed.
MrCunningham
Member
Is TerminX the owner of Voidpoint studios? He is the lead programmer of Eduke32, and has worked on it for many years now. I knew him from the old 3DRealm modding forums, and he always seemed like a level headed person to me.
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
I don't think anyone will. I did ask for a refund though. I enjoyed the game from what I played, but I can't support a company that forces mandatory sensitivity training over stating things that are common sense. Only the mentally ill believe that pre-pubescent children can be trans. They literally have no concept of sex or gender at that age unless you brainwash them. Even then, they only go along to please the parents, they aren't thinking of/for themselves.
I didn't even know it was a joke. I simply thought it was a reference to how old school media slightly changes a letter or two from famous brands so they didn't have to pay up. Olay being Ogay - Mcdonalds being McRonalds, etc.
Ion Fury General Discussions :: Steam Community
Ion Fury - While Shelly “Bombshell” Harrison earned her codename defusing bombs for the Global Defense Force, when evil transhumanist mastermind Dr. Jadus Heskel unleashes the members of his cybernetic cult onto the streets of Neo DC, she knows it’s time to start causing explosions instead of...
Doesn't seem like a big deal?
Every rational human being knows that SJW types are total jokes, but they have to be careful of saying this kinda shit when representing the company. That's all the sensitivity training is about. It's an empty victory for Era - everyone is still laughing at them.
Common sense is not a risky thing to state and that is all the devs did.
MeatSafeMurderer
Member
In a vacuum it's not a big deal. If the devs had decided to remove the Ogay bottle on their own I wouldn't care. Unfortunately it didn't happen in isolation. Yet again RetardEra forced a company to kowtow to them. Yet again a small but vocal minority of SJW nutjobs flexed their apparent ability to make even the largest corporate entity cower in fear of maybe 50-100 people, tops.Ion Fury General Discussions :: Steam Community
Ion Fury - While Shelly “Bombshell” Harrison earned her codename defusing bombs for the Global Defense Force, when evil transhumanist mastermind Dr. Jadus Heskel unleashes the members of his cybernetic cult onto the streets of Neo DC, she knows it’s time to start causing explosions instead of...
Doesn't seem like a big deal?
Every rational human being knows that SJW types are total jokes, but they have to be careful of saying this kinda shit when representing the company. That's all the sensitivity training is about. It's an empty victory for Era - everyone is still laughing at them.
decisions
Member
I don't see how this addresses any of the points in my post. Is English not your first language? Honest question. I don't know what you're trying to say with your last sentence; everything about this situation is related to how people acted on Discord.
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Allnamestakenlol
Member
So, what's being changed? I read about the soap, hidden message, transgender parent thing, and maybe more, but a dev on steam said just the soap and hidden message.
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The Mad Draklor
Member
Folks on Era won’t buy the game anyways. They’re just whining to satisfy their authoritarian wet dreams. The patch is a waste of resources and time.
Cravis
Member
I'm surprised more of them haven't died young due to all the anger and outrage and stress that the world imparts on them! Can't be good for their hearts.
Dada55000
Member
lol, devolve complete
oi chum, you aren't coy, can't cover your ass with 'both sides' shite now by backtracking to prior posts, your "one person complained" lie and why it even existed, you trying to backseat the cause of this entire shitshow as "not worth discussion muh discord", your verbiage pretty clearly presenting your one invented person and the devs accomodating them as reasonable while the resident complainers being the core part of 'sad reality', you didn't have the wit to slide by on a "both sides" copout chummo, whether you stick your head in the sand after this or not
anthraticus
Banned
There's a codex thread on it.
edit: (you need to be a member to access that section, I guess)
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.p...eclares-war-and-the-morons-apologized.129233/
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Coolio McAwesome
Member
Let's get real. ResetEra's pathetic attempt to review-bomb the game didn't move the needle.
I don't think the devs are caving to a small group of mentally ill losers. I think it's much more likely they are caving to a major corporations. You don't start writing checks and forcing your employees to take "sensitivity training" over a handful of negative Steam reviews. They were likely facing tremendous pressure from above.
3D Realms likely forced their hand, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were pressured by platform holders too. Ion Fury is slated to release on consoles soon, after all. Do you really think Sony would have allowed the game in its current state? You're not going to see a "fagbag" Easter egg on the PS4. Ever. The devs obviously hate SJWs, so it stands to reason that their hands were forced.
The devs were the targets of a harassment campaign, and I think we should be weary of victim blaming.
I don't think the devs are caving to a small group of mentally ill losers. I think it's much more likely they are caving to a major corporations. You don't start writing checks and forcing your employees to take "sensitivity training" over a handful of negative Steam reviews. They were likely facing tremendous pressure from above.
3D Realms likely forced their hand, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were pressured by platform holders too. Ion Fury is slated to release on consoles soon, after all. Do you really think Sony would have allowed the game in its current state? You're not going to see a "fagbag" Easter egg on the PS4. Ever. The devs obviously hate SJWs, so it stands to reason that their hands were forced.
The devs were the targets of a harassment campaign, and I think we should be weary of victim blaming.
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#Phonepunk#
Banned
i think that's it. this is all Reee found when they were digging through everything trying to cancel the game before the first review ever dropped.
this is something to consider. the game dropped on thursday. this is the first week of sales. Reee was conspiring to have this blow up, so they had to do something to get ahead of it. if this wasn't first week's sales it may have flown under the radar but typically this is when reviews drop and it's a critical time.
the mandatory training sounds like sexual harassment awareness which is done a million times in companies all over the world. a small price to pay for protecting those first week sales. they get paid to take this training btw.
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Vampire On Titus
Member
So, they're taking the training to learn what? That childhood transitioning is A-OK?
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Yeah, the mandatory training isn't really something to get worked up over -- it's pretty standard. Stupid, but standard. They'll sit around talking about why X, Y, and Z are bad, everyone agrees that those things are bad, because stripped of any humor or context, those things are bad. You waste about an hour on it, and then everyone forgets it the second they're excused from the room. Pretty sure nobody in the company actually believes they were in the wrong, nor will they change how they act, outside of using a private discord server.
The only thing they're doing that I take exception to is editing out the offensive stuff. It's minor stuff, but it's one of those "principle of the thing" issues.
The only thing they're doing that I take exception to is editing out the offensive stuff. It's minor stuff, but it's one of those "principle of the thing" issues.
Chittagong
Gold Member
Absolutely pathetic but I am not going to review bomb nor will I ask for a refund.
I love the game, and can handle someone having a different opinion than me - in this case, my opinion being, ‘don’t apologise to online hate mobs, because whatever your perceived transgression, nothing you can do will be virtuous enough for them to forgive you’.
I am happy to see many people here not review bombing. Developers can do stupid things and we can still enjoy their game.
I love the game, and can handle someone having a different opinion than me - in this case, my opinion being, ‘don’t apologise to online hate mobs, because whatever your perceived transgression, nothing you can do will be virtuous enough for them to forgive you’.
I am happy to see many people here not review bombing. Developers can do stupid things and we can still enjoy their game.
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-Minsc-
Member
Lots of points made. While I'm not fond of the "Ogay" joke or the "fagbag" line, it is unfortunate the game is being patched. The big hook was this being, more or less, a game of the 90's. I can understand why people are upset over this upcoming change. From where I'm standing people on both sides of the fence are over reacting. Would have been cool if the folks at 3D Realms just kept quiet but I know I'm not in their situation so I can't say what the right call would have been for sure. I suppose only time will tell. Hopefully people will keep buying the game and not listen to the detractors here and elsewhere. While I'm not buying the game any time soon, for unrelated reasons, having played Duke3d and watching reviews I can safely say it has a gameplay experience younger gamers should check out. Let the game stand on its own or tie it to the company, the choice is up to the person.
Piku_Ringo
Banned
Welp, rest in pepperonis Ion Furry.