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I can do this, too. Reading only what I want.
Fact is you've said
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Supposed PS5 specs from random Beyond3D member (Silly but this is also how the 1st Wii U specs was leaked)
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Fact is you've said
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
Making a taller drive means they are likely adding a platter, not changing the density.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
Another Negotiator meltdown. If you prove him wrong he throws a fit and uses the "ignore" cop out. SSD can make a huge difference on PS4 Pro depending on the game:
Sorry but what? An external HDD is an internal HDD in an external case. The density also doesn't mean anything in this case. My point was even confirmed by, I think, Aron Greenberg, on this very site. I cannot find his account anymore, though, to dig up the post. But it's common sense anyway and the effect can be replicated on a computer with an internal and an external HDD immediately. Occasional write accesses, as well as random other read accesses on a disk breaks bandwidth down for another application because of read-write-heads on the disk constantly jumping back and forth. A disk that is used by only one application also has the heads jumping but only for this specific application.
There really is no point in arguing that, it is common knowledge.
The NAND is cache. There are still write actions on the internal disk and this is why they limit disk usage on internal disks.
Because it is.
Because there are so many compression algorithms out there that are used that these hardware decoders cannot be used in every case. In these cases, the CPU has to be used.
Of course. The latency improvements from HDD to SSD are a big benefit, people just like to ignore it often and just look at the theoretical bandwidths.
Agreed. SSD makes dramatic differences not only in games, but in the OS as well. Not to mention, the PS4/PS4 Pro's SATA interface is also capped at 3Gbps, so it could 2x faster if Sony decided to release a refreshed model with a 6Gbps interface.
This would barely make a difference because the Pro already has SATA3 with little benefit.
You're telling me a 6Gbps vs. 3Gbps interface will barely make a difference despite double the throughput? Interesting.
It will make a difference but only a small one. You can of course run synthetic benchmarks and you will see twice the bandwidth but this won't reduce your load times by half. Keep in mind that the load times will also decrease because of the faster processor and that for SATA 3 to make a difference you have to put in an SSD to notice a difference, with an HDD the interface doesn't matter.
Negotiator
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I've already explained when areal density matters. Read my previous post. I won't repeat myself just because you chose to ignore it.
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-the-complete-xbox-one-interview
"Digital Foundry: Another thing that came up from the Hot Chips presentation that was new information was the eMMC NAND which I hadn't seen any mention of. I'm told it's not available for titles. So what does it do?
Andrew Goossen: Sure. We use it as a cache system-side to improve system response and again not disturb system performance on the titles running underneath. So what it does is that it makes our boot times faster when you're not coming out of the sleep mode - if you're doing the cold boot. It caches the operating system on there. It also caches system data on there while you're actually running the titles and when you have the snap applications running concurrently. It's so that we're not going and hitting the hard disk at the same time that the title is. All the game data is on the HDD. We wanted to be moving that head around and not worrying about the system coming in and monkeying with the head at an inopportune time."
Care to explain why the XB1 OS is the slowest in current-gen consoles? The storage medium is not the culprit.
No, it's not.
That's like saying that console devs would rather use H.265 because it's more efficient than H.264.
No, console development doesn't work that way. They use baseline features that are accelerated by certain processors, whether it's H.264 or LZ77/Zlib. Next-gen will likely offer better compression algos (like HEVC/AV1) as a baseline feature. People need to stop thinking in PC terms when they're discussing consoles.
There's a reason many games are 100GB these days... next-gen games will need better compression algos.
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
I don't see anything that backs your assertions. Platters have densities, not hard drives. You can have 1TB per platter densities and have two for a 7mm 2TB drive or 4 to make a 15mm 4TB drive. An external drive is an internal drive put in an external enclosure. They don't make different kinds of drives with different densities based on where they are installed. The best PS4 drive before they supported USB was an external where you took it out of the case and installed it in the Ps4. The external version of the drive was cheaper than the internal counterpart.
https://rml527.blogspot.com/2010/09/hdd-platter-database-seagate-25.html
Negotiator
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I won't repeat myself, everything is explained here:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/supp...wii-u-specs-was-leaked.1472198/post-253826014
I won't go through all of it but read this:
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...-five-ways-your-existing-games-will-be-better
But try further to explain how CPU has nothing to do with load times.
And:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/xbox...b-s-fall-2017.1232711/page-187#post-239166849
Directly from MS - now try to keep on spreading misinformation made up in your mind.
This is really getting ridiculous.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I believe it was Albert Penello who confirmed the speed boost due to the faster interface. And that's the exact guote that gave me my impression as well. Not that he's always been truthful on here, but I think at least with that he was.
I was also trying to find a specific post but I also don't know if it was Goossen in the end, to be honest. Anyways, my latest post should tell enough.
Negotiator
Member
Are you saying that XB1X doesn't have the exact same Move Engines clocked higher than OG XB1?
Is this made up in my mind? -> http://www.redgamingtech.com/xbox-o...s-memory-bandwidth-performance-tech-tribunal/
This is also info straight from MS, but you choose to ignore it, just because it doesn't fit your narrative...
Personally, I prefer to trust XBOX engineers that designed the actual system, not PR mouthpieces like Albert Penello. I'm pretty sure he doesn't even know the existence of 8GB NAND storage for the OS.
I'm not going to argue with malevolent posters anymore, even though I want to give them the benefit of doubt. You want to push your "hurr durr weak CPU does everything" PCMR narrative and you've been doing this since the OldGAF era, but I'm not interested. Good riddance.
No, I never said the move engines didn't do anything, that's what you make up in your mind but both things you quote and my findings are not mutually exclusive. It's just not fitting your narrative as you try to argue that the CPU doesn't do anything at all which is apparently wrong.
Case settled.
Silent Viper
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Hope its true then it will be ps3 all over again with 699 price tag lol
SonGoku
Member
Is this rumor confirmed fake now that we know Sony wont be at E3?
Especially considering PS4 doesnt take full advantage of SSD speeds.
Especially considering PS4 doesnt take full advantage of SSD speeds.
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Freeman454
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Why would anyone want to see sony fail? I dont like their arrogancy, but we need them really, MS wont be pushing gaming as much if it wasnt for sony. It would hurt the industry more the n it does good with a 700 dollar price tag. Ppl in EU gonna pay close to $1000 if they want a extra controller and a game.
399 is the sweet spot, and hell no im gonna pay more then for a ps5 with 12.9TF gpu power ans 8 cores in 2020/1021.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Console gaming needs all 3 players.
Sony and MS keep each other in check, and Nintendo does it's own thing with unique gaming and a cheaper option. Also, they are the only hardware maker that consistently has a handheld offering. Sony does it sometimes, and MS never has.
Fanboys don't realize that if you pick apart each hardware maker, they've all contributed good games and features to console gaming.
Oddvintagechap
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The first post didn’t say they were going to be...
look like this might have been closer to the truth than we thought
The clockspeed has been changing so some devs seen it at it's lower clock speed & said 8TF then devs seen it at 1.8GHz & said it was close to 13TF but now it's clocking up to 2Ghz & coming in a 14TF
54 x 64 x 2 x 1210 = 8.36TF
54 x 64 x 2 x 1830 = 12.64TF
54 x 64 x 2 x 2060 = 14.23 TF
The clockspeed has been changing so some devs seen it at it's lower clock speed & said 8TF then devs seen it at 1.8GHz & said it was close to 13TF but now it's clocking up to 2Ghz & coming in a 14TF
54 x 64 x 2 x 1210 = 8.36TF
54 x 64 x 2 x 1830 = 12.64TF
54 x 64 x 2 x 2060 = 14.23 TF
Fenris Wolf
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Apparently apart from the initial release date which even the leaker was not that sure about, Most of the original post is correct. Based on what we've seen Ryzen and Navi GPUs can do, I think PS5 will turn out to be one of the most interesting consoles in the past 13 years... But i'm not expecting it to be a 400$ hardware. Based on these information, It sounds like a way more expensive piece of technology, Even if you don't compare it to an actual PC in terms of pricing and etc.
And based on the patent, It appears that PS5 will have a better cooling solution compared to PS4. I mean whatever they do, It cannot be worse than PS4's jet engine noises. Right now the only thing that matters to me is a native Backwards system plus a boost mode which allows you to take advantage of PS5's hardware in back compat games. (Although the only games that will benefit from this are those with unlocked FPS and other similar performance modes, But at least i expect the loading times in games like Days Gone reduce to atoms)
And based on the patent, It appears that PS5 will have a better cooling solution compared to PS4. I mean whatever they do, It cannot be worse than PS4's jet engine noises. Right now the only thing that matters to me is a native Backwards system plus a boost mode which allows you to take advantage of PS5's hardware in back compat games. (Although the only games that will benefit from this are those with unlocked FPS and other similar performance modes, But at least i expect the loading times in games like Days Gone reduce to atoms)
mckmas8808
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look like this might have been closer to the truth than we thought
The clockspeed has been changing so some devs seen it at it's lower clock speed & said 8TF then devs seen it at 1.8GHz & said it was close to 13TF but now it's clocking up to 2Ghz & coming in a 14TF
54 x 64 x 2 x 1210 = 8.36TF
54 x 64 x 2 x 1830 = 12.64TF
54 x 64 x 2 x 2060 = 14.23 TF
Is that 54 CUs?
Shangounchained
Banned
20gb is shit all other specs are good but 20gb is not enough
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
How is 20GBs of RAM strictly for games that bad? Right now we have 5 GBs for games.
Trogdor1123
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Is joke?
TLZ
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Yes.
bitbydeath
Member
20GB is good considering that’s entirely for games.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Go all the way back to April 2018 for the Epsilon leak which was pretty crazy at the time.
Journey
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Go all the way back to April 2018 for the Epsilon leak which was pretty crazy at the time.
That 32 GBs of RAM still looks nuts tough!
Like whoa!
Insane Metal
Member
Yes we'll be getting Zen 2 + 14 NAVI TF in a home box for under $499 when the newest Radeon has just come out with <10TF for $449.
Believe.
Believe.
SonGoku
Member
I WANT TO BELIEVE! but yeah it does sound far fetched
11-12TF should be doable though
cryogenic7
Member
Yes, because there is a very high markup on consumer processor and gpu hardware.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
This post is shit. Considering that 16GB (heck eveb 8GB is still decent) is more then enough RAM on a much much resource intensive PC, 20 GB ought to be outstanding for a console.
SonGoku
Member
available to games right?
DeepEnigma
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bitbydeath
Member
This quote from Mark Cerny does allude to that tho.
Also I wouldn’t rule out a $550 tag, I don’t think they’ll go $599 though as everyone will point out the PS3 if they did even if people were more accepting of it. Bad juju.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Yes. Don't get me wrong 32GB would be nice, but 20GB is quite a bit.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
That 32 GBs of RAM still looks nuts tough!
Like whoa!
I remember when that leak first hit and everyone made fun of the thought of a console coming with a SSD.
But the price, it could never happen.
Shangounchained
Banned
Trust me 8 to 20gb isn't a good enough leap that's simply PS4 assets with 4k textures it's not enough
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
At over 5-600+GB/s (some saying 880GB/s) and the SDD proprietary speed solution, it is more than plenty.
Shangounchained
Banned
Problem people don't understand everytime, keep saying 8gb is enough, the reason we're still using 8gb is because consoles are using 8gb and games are ported from consoles to pc that's why the industry is stuck on 8gb and if the ps5 is 20 GB that's what the whole industry will adopt all future pc games will need 20gb all gpus will be made with 20gb as the base, the whole industry will be pulled back again!
SonGoku
Member
Agree, 20GB available to games (5X PS4) its my hopes and dream for next gen
With hopefully at least 600GB/s bandwidth