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[Rhysser]

With this kind of social media deplatforming there is incentive for her if she holds a grudge, since publicity for her and damage to him is guaranteed, and there is no disincentive or consequence for lying.

If you understand human nature whatsoever you should understand the problem with witch hunts. Due process and burden of proof separate us from base savagery.

I do, which is why I don't support the mob going after a person's employment unless there actually is evidence. I think sharing stories is great if it ends up unearthing evidence to support the person. I think it's pretty bad when it ends up punishing people who did nothing.

As far as incentive, I think it's a double-edged sword. There can certainly be incentive for retaliation, but it also it has a high chance of doing nothing and getting you blacklisted from future employment for the foreseeable future. It's a pretty high-risk and high-cost way to try to exact revenge over something that isn't actually rape.

 

[Airbus Jr]

Very heartbreaking news if this is true

He made some of the best videogame soundtrack

But im not going to call him guilty until theres clear evidence

 

[Flying Toaster]

This and Alec Holowka today. I really sympathize for the victims but is social media really the right place for this to happen?

 

[TheMay30thMan]

I’m sure she was raped. And by “raped” I mean expected to work and not be treated like a queen. I get raped at work every day for the same reasons.

 

[DragoonKain]

I'll never accuse a woman of lying without all the facts just like I'll never accuse a man of being a rapist without all the facts.

Though one thing you have to worry about today, and it's unfortunate that it has to be this way is with this weird culture we have of disingenuously labeling people and things like Nazi, racist, sexist, etc, with no logic or sound argument, and people just make up their own definitions for stuff these days and its just accepted, you never know if that will bleed into rape accusations as well. For example, a woman hangs out with a guy, he gives her a hug and kisses her on the cheek, and maybe during the hug his hand touches her waist or something and she felt weird about it. Then eventually she asks her friends about it who are those types I just mentioned who love to throw labels around, and they are like "Sweetheart, he raped you. I don't care if you guys didn't have sex if he put his lips on you or his hand on your waist in any way, that's rape." Remember people got on Matt Damon when he said we need nuance with the Me Too movement, you can't group someone touching someone's butt as the same level of vileness as someone who brutally rapes someone. There are degrees of sexual improprieties.

You had those bizarre accusations against Neil DeGrasse Tyson where he touched a woman's arm to look at her tattoo and he was accused of being a "sexual predator" you just never know who is going to come up with their own labels for stuff today, or who will be convinced by those types in their inner circle.

I mean, it's unfortunate it has to be this way, but when lives are potentially ruined, it's important to wait for all the facts and legal process to make any kind of a judgement.

 

[Rhysser]

But this phenomenon is not only with Rape, it is with anything the progressives get outraged about, twitter is used as a public shaming gallery.

Hey man I just wanted to say I have enjoyed hearing your opinions and enjoyed a good debate with someone with opposing views, that's what sets this forum apart from the other place, if the roles were reversed and I went on Era I would have been banned for these posts I have no doubt about it. Thanks man.

But think about the issues that progressives go after. Generally it's propping up people who society is pushing down. Women, minorities, LGBT, trangendered people etc. People who have historically faced and continue to face discrimination in the workplace who have themselves lost employment and continue to do so for these reasons, and are often situations that are hard to prove. If your manager fires you or doesn't promote you because he discovered you are gay for example, good luck proving it since the manager wont actually tell you the reason. Yet this happens all the time. So of course the mob jumps on these things too.

As far as Era I'm sure I would also get banned there despite my views This place is definitely more interesting, though I admit I liked it when everyone was in the same place and there was more variety in view points. Hopefully we'll get back to that in the coming years!

 

[Starfield]

Better uninstall Skyrim soundtrack from my Spotify because if you listen to Jeremy's music you're a rapist!

 

[GHG]

I don't know you, which is why I added the last bit about what MOST people would do

It's not selfish to want to be able to have a roof over your head and food in your belly. Often times reporting rape in the work place is a luxury people can't afford, because eating food ends up being more important.

Are you joking? If you've genuinely been raped and you end up losing your job because of speaking out about it I'm sure your family and/or friends will help you out with the basics where necessary. Even if you don't have a network of family/friends to help you out we live in an age where platforms like gofundme exist.

The mindset you are putting forward is one which is at best horribly short sighted, and negligent/dangerous at worst.

Most rapists tend to re-offend until something is done about it. If you happen to be the first victim and fail to promptly do something about it then how guilty will you potentially feel if in 5-10 years time you later find out that same person went on to do the same thing to dozens of other people and you could have done something that maybe would have prevented that?

Be brave, be strong, do the right thing, put your best foot forward. Be part of the change you want to see. Anything negative that might come your way as a result of that is simply consequential but not at one point does it reflect negatively on you or your character.

 

[bitbydeath]

Sad but true. If only the law was effective and companies hadn't insulated their top-ranked performers and top brass from consequences for doing things like this, I suspect people would choose to use the law instead. Until the law and policies around this improve, I guess there's only twitter as a recourse.

 

[Rhysser]

Are you joking? If you've genuinely been raped and you end up losing your job because of speaking out about it I'm sure your family and/or friends will help you out with the basics where necessary. Even if you don't have a network of family/friends to help you out we live in an age where platforms like gofundme exist.

The mindset you are putting forward is one which is at best horribly short sighted, and negligent/dangerous at worst.

Most rapists tend to re-offend until something is done about it. If you happen to be the first victim and fail to promptly do something about it then how guilty will you potentially feel if in 5-10 years time you later find out that same person went on to do the same thing to dozens of other people and you could have done something that maybe would have prevented that?

Be brave, be strong, do the right thing, put your best foot forward. Be part of the change you want to see. Anything negative that might come your way as a result of that is simply consequential but not at one point does it reflect negatively on you or your character.

I don't understand how you are speaking of other's experience and situation as if it is all the same as yours. If you have a great support system to pick up the pieces when they break, great for you. I know a person who was raped (not at work) but didn't report it because the result of this would be the person being homeless. Not everyone has sprawling support systems to come to their aid.

I also know a person who was sexually harassed in the work place and also had proof, but who also didn't report it because not much would happen to the perpetrator, who was well-connected, and could potentially cost hundreds of thousands of dollars in terms of career advancement to make enemies of this person. Faced with a situation where not much would be done and also a huge financial penalty, the victim opted to keep quiet. But if the perpetrator does this to a few more people and some of them come forward,the victim may also join their voices since there is now a much higher chance for getting a result. Stronger together and all that. This is why I support putting these stories out there when they are true.

There are all sorts of reasons people don't come forward, not the least of which is that they are often not believed since a critical mass of evidence is hard to come by - so they get no justice but still face the consequences of coming forward, of which there are many.

 

[Katsura]

 

[Pumpkin Seeds]

Apparently she sent him a head shot as part of an application and she thought he said "that makes me so horny."

When in actuality he said "that makes me want to use more horns."

 

[Azurro]

Try it. The police is generally useless about most things and companies have done a stellar job of insulating people who do these things from consequences if they are top-performers or in the leadership team.

I don't think the guy should be judged if the accuser doesn't have evidence. But I do think it's fair to talk about her experience, regardless if she does since as I said, others with evidence might be encouraged to come forward.

You realize this flawed reasoning leads to false accusations and innocent people's lives ruined? What's to stop deranged women from falsely accusing people they don't like or that they intend to blackmail or hurt? As usual with social movements, the intention is good, but it's full of stupidity and emotion.

If something happens, she should have gone to the police and file a report, not screech on twitter.

 

[Rhysser]

You realize this flawed reasoning leads to false accusations and innocent people's lives ruined? What's to stop deranged women from falsely accusing people they don't like or that they intend to blackmail or hurt? As usual with social movements, the intention is good, but it's full of stupidity and emotion.

If something happens, she should have gone to the police and file a report, not screech on twitter.

By the same token, if the accusation is false the accused should go to the police with evidence that it's false and file a libel suit, and then have the post removed from twitter. Hard to do, you say? Interesting. Turns out legal systems aren't perfect.

I'm not saying people should be fired for being accused, but I support people coming forward with accusations if they are true, even if they don't have evidence since perpetrators who do these kinds of things are often repeat offenders and in cases where it's true others might also be encouraged to speak up.

 

[The Scrivener]

Great soundtracks. Bad news.

 

[The Scrivener]

rape it in the butt, or in the mutilated penis

like the way her pussy smells

WTF? Stay classy GAF.

 

[GreyHorace]

By the same token, if the accusation is false the accused should go to the police with evidence that it's false and file a libel suit, and then have the post removed from twitter. Hard to do, you say? Interesting. Turns out legal systems aren't perfect.

I'm not saying people should be fired for being accused, but I support people coming forward with accusations if they are true, even if they don't have evidence since perpetrators who do these kinds of things are often repeat offenders and in cases where it's true others might also be encouraged to speak up.

That is the stupidest line of reasoning I've read in this thread. You think people should just cry rape even if they lack proof? It'll just embolden scummy people to attack a target and gain sympathy from clueless chumps by playing the victim. Vic Mignogna's case is a classic example of this.

Whether or not Jeremy Soule is guilty is irrelevant. Such accusations should be brought before a court of law, and not Twitter.

 

[Fnord]

By the same token, if the accusation is false the accused should go to the police with evidence that it's false and file a libel suit, and then have the post removed from twitter. Hard to do, you say? Interesting. Turns out legal systems aren't perfect.

I'm not saying people should be fired for being accused, but I support people coming forward with accusations if they are true, even if they don't have evidence since perpetrators who do these kinds of things are often repeat offenders and in cases where it's true others might also be encouraged to speak up.

Proving a negative is generally nigh impossible. Suppose she said he raped her on a night he was home alone. There's literally no way to prove he's innocent. Hell, even if they did have sex and it was consentual. Far more difficult to prove than the opposite. Which is why we have the burden of proof on the accuser.

 

[Rhysser]

That is the stupidest line of reasoning I've read in this thread. You think people should just cry rape even if they lack proof? It'll just embolden scummy people to attack a target and gain sympathy from clueless chumps by playing the victim. Vic Mignogna's case is a classic example of this.

Whether or not Jeremy Soule is guilty is irrelevant. Such accusations should be brought before a court of law, and not Twitter.

Are you sure this is the stupidest? Are you sure it's not your very own claim that people shouldn't publically talk about the true experiences of rape that happened to them unless they meet some sort of standard of evidence, because it might embolden others to lie? To me that definitely sounds stupider.

 

[Rhysser]

Proving a negative is generally nigh impossible. Suppose she said he raped her on a night he was home alone. There's literally no way to prove he's innocent. Hell, even if they did have sex and it was consentual. Far more difficult to prove than the opposite. Which is why we have the burden of proof on the accuser.

Both of the things are exceedingly hard to prove, that is the whole point of my comment. Just because something is 'positive' doesn't make it easy to prove . As mentioned, the rate of being able to prove actual rapes that happened is like below 10%.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

Leaked footage of Jeremy Soule being transferred to a local county jail:

 

[Silent Viper]

Not guilty untill proven court of Law but in west social media decides who is guilty and who is not.

 

[The Scrivener]

Better uninstall Skyrim soundtrack from my Spotify because if you listen to Jeremy's music you're a rapist!

Great, great, soundtrack. And I understand your joke.

But where does one draw the line? You might have heard of the rock band The Lost Prophets? I loved their stuff till shit went down.

But then you get stuff like Michael Jackson, I can listen to him fine.

And then there's people like Gary Glitter, whose artistic contribution is worthless anyway.

I guess it's a personal choice, but here, I'd continue listening to it. I think art can ultimately be separated from the creator if one chooses to see it like that, but ultimately it's up to the listener.

 

[MayauMiao]

I have a hard time believing someone with an identity crisis.

 

[zeroFiveNine]

I feel bad for this thread, no way they can compete with the other thread's media machine.

edit: corrected pronoun usage

 

[Fnord]

Both of the things are exceedingly hard to prove, that is the whole point of my comment. Just because something is 'positive' doesn't make it easy to prove . As mentioned, the rate of being able to prove actual rapes that happened is like below 10%.

Agreed, but the burden of proof is on, and should be on, the accuser. Our justice system is predicated on innocence until proof of guilt. And, personally, I'd rather a thousand guilty people go free than a single innocent person be incarcerated.

 

[Rhysser]

Agreed, but the burden of proof is on, and should be on, the accuser. Our justice system is predicated on innocence until proof of guilt. And, personally, I'd rather a thousand guilty people go free than a single innocent person be incarcerated.

I agree. As I said, I don't think action should be taken against him unless there actually is evidence. I just support the sharing of the story in case it does lead to others who might have evidence to come forward, or if the person who initially posted her story does end up providing evidence, or someone else who knows about it can corroborate her claims.

 

[GreyHorace]

Are you sure this is the stupidest? Are you sure it's not your very own claim that people shouldn't publically talk about the true experiences of rape that happened to them unless they meet some sort of standard of evidence, because it might embolden others to lie? To me that definitely sounds stupider.

How the hell would you like it if some woman started falsely accusing you of sexually assaulting her and you have to deal with the fallout of it? If I were in that position I'd take her to court just to prove how wrong her accusations are. And accusations require proof so please don't come to me with this sob story of hypothetical rape victims suddenly afraid to come forward because people won't believe them. Better that the scumbags who think of using rape accusations as a weapon are discouraged to do so.

Agreed, but the burden of proof is on, and should be on, the accuser. Our justice system is predicated on innocence until proof of guilt. And, personally, I'd rather a thousand guilty people go free than a single innocent person be incarcerated.

Just so.

 

[Silent Viper]

She should file police complaint and then call out. Accusing someone without proper investigation is stupid

 

[Rhysser]

How the hell would you like it if some woman started falsely accusing you of sexually assaulting her and you have to deal with the fallout of it? If I were in that position I'd take her to court just to prove how wrong her accusations are. And accusations require proof so please don't come to me with this sob story of hypothetical rape victims suddenly afraid to come forward because people won't believe them. Better that the scumbags who think of using rape accusations as a weapon are discouraged to do so.

I suspect I would like it a lot more than if someone raped me at work and I wasn't able to talk about it because I didn't think to or was unable to gather sufficient evidence while being raped. Better that the scumbags who think they can get away with rape are discouraged from raping.

Like you mention, libel laws exist for this reason. If she is lying he can in fact take her to court.

 

[anthraticus]

Guess the popamolers over at RejectEra won't be able to play their favorite hiking sims anymore.

 

[Katsura]

Guess the popamolers over at RejectEra won't be able to play their favorite hiking sims anymore.

Shots fired

 

[petran79]

Social media carry 1 truth and 10 manufactured lies so they do more harm than good in the long run

 

[EightBit Man]

People who cannot create, can only destroy. That's the bottom line.

 

[Stilton Disco]

The vast majority of the time even true accusations lead to absolutely zilch except to victims losing their jobs and careers, which is why it's mostly not reported, despite the few high-profile cases that you see that do. I personally know of a case where there were even pictures, but the person did nothing out of fear of retaliation, so it's good to see people coming forward. This person might not have evidence and if she doesn't, obviously nothing should be done, but if others with evidence see this they might be encouraged to come forward too.

I'm totally in agreement with you that taking the correct, legal route with these kind of crimes is always an ordeal for the victim, and the fact it's so hard to prove means its far too often a waste of time in the end.

But that doesnt mean you instead go to Twitter for 'mob justice'. It means its that much more important to go to the police, to do things properly, expose any potential flaws in the system that might be fixable, to fight and make a fuss to get real justice in a court of law.

By all means, she should go to Twitter if she wants to, but she should do it AFTER getting a lawyer and going to the cops, if only to ask for potential witnesses or other victims to come forward.

 

[Rhysser]

I'm totally in agreement with you that taking the correct, legal route with these kind of crimes is always an ordeal for the victim, and the fact it's so hard to prove means its far too often a waste of time in the end.

But that doesnt mean you instead go to Twitter for 'mob justice'. It means its that much more important to go to the police, to do things properly, expose any potential flaws in the system that might be fixable, to fight and make a fuss to get real justice in a court of law.

By all means, she should go to Twitter if she wants to, but she should do it AFTER getting a lawyer and going to the cops, if only to ask for potential witnesses or other victims to come forward.

I agree that you don't go to Twitter for 'Mob justice' but I think you should still go there (if your story is true) to bring the issues up to society's consciousness. The only way society even acknowledges these issues, much less cares to fix them, is if they reach a critical mass of consciousness. Look back at any social issues to see this. When the victims are quiet, society is happy to ignore them through the 'official' systems like police. So I think sharing the stories is extremely important. It has already started to change what is acceptable in the corporate world, and what people think they can get away with.

Another important reason to go to twitter is because you might actually find the evidence you need to file a case with the police, in the form of other victims of the same person coming forward.

 

[Orta]

ReeeeRa already demanding to have Bethesda fire Soule

I hope he didn't use Ogay for lube

 

[KonstructReborn]

The only thing Jermey Soule can be accused of his raping my ears any many others with his beautiful music.

Also that chick thing is clown. Bet its bull.

 

[Dontero]

If she doesn't have money, there won't be any recouping the potential damage to his reputation or career in a civil suit regardless.

Just read the whole thing. She doesn't.
She didn't even explain her rape accusation properly.

She worked in same company with Jeremy, she started to get close to Jeremy and treated him as her mentor and he helped her figure out stuff as new game dev, gave tips etc. Then they started dining out and Jeremy started to progress relationship. She literally explained that she feared that by refusing him she won't keep the job so she never said no.

And then she said "He raped me" without any explanation how where or anything.

Then like nothing happens she just proceed to explain how she get screwed by her employer multiple times.

To me it looks like standard hooker stuff. She latched on Jeremy, never said no when she clearly knew that Jeremy was interested in her and then acted shocked when Jeremy ignored her.
Typical case of woman who uses bed to progress her carrier.

Also according to her Skyrim music is based on her.

 

[Rhysser]

To me it looks like standard hooker stuff. She latched on Jeremy, never said no when she clearly knew that Jeremy was interested in her and then acted shocked when Jeremy ignored her.
Typical case of woman who uses bed to progress her carrier.

Also according to her Skyrim music is based on her.

She specifically says she did say no.

Also, thanks for providing this post as a great illustration why it's important to share the stories publicly, since these kind of views that I bolded are apparently still quite pervasive, as seen by this very exhibit!

 

[llien]

Could you give clearest examples of society "putting women down" that you could recall, R Rhysser ?

Note that "fired, before disliked" happens all the time, but indeed, "disliked for race/nationality/sex/sexual orientation" is illegal, but hard to enforce in practice.

 

[Otterz4Life]

Guess the popamolers over at RejectEra won't be able to play their favorite hiking sims anymore.

They’re gonna run out of shit to play.

 

[Rhysser]

Could you give clearest examples of society "putting women down" that you could recall, R Rhysser ?

Note that "fired, before disliked" happens all the time, but indeed, "disliked for race/nationality/sex/sexual orientation" is illegal, but hard to enforce in practice.

Should I quote Dontero's post again?

In seriousness though, happy to oblige, what type of evidence are you looking for? General state of things? A specific example?

Also, did you know that employment protections for sexual orientation are currently being challenged? Republicans are challenging it. Here's a summary of the current state for protections by each state: https://www.fastcompany.com/9036900...tate-map-shows-where-gay-workers-can-be-fired

So if the Trump administration succeeds in rolling back Obama-era protections, which they are trying to do...

Also most of these things are recent so while the law may be on the books, the attitudes of actual people haven't changed as much.

 

[cHaOs667]

The only thing Jermey Soule can be accused of his raping my ears any many others with his beautiful music.

I have seen enough heresy to see where this is going...

Spoiler: W40k reference

...maybe he is Slaanesh himself...

*SCNR*

 

[llien]

In seriousness though, happy to oblige, what type of evidence are you looking for? General state of things? A specific example?

Emphasis is on "you", if I may.
What YOU consider to be the most convincing example of it.

Also, did you know that employment protections for sexual orientation are currently being challenged?

I live in Germany, where according to law you can't discriminate people based on a long list of (mostly) immutable attributes, including sex and sexual orientation. (but not looks, curiously, e.g. it is fine for your employer to hire you for green hair, for instance)
The main problem with that law is that it is hard to enforce, unless perpetrator is stupid enough to reveal the motives.
Anyhow, at company I'm working at, HR is actively looking for minorities/LGBT+ people, in certain areas, women.

 

[SirKicksalot]

What he does to women, is what inspires his music.

So his women are blissfully pampered until they reach nirvana?

 

[Rhysser]

Emphasis is on "you", if I may.
What YOU consider to be the most convincing example of it.


I live in Germany, where according to law you can't discriminate people based on a long list of (mostly) immutable attributes, including sex and sexual orientation. (but not looks, curiously, e.g. it is fine for your employer to hire you for green hair, for instance)
The main problem with that law is that it is hard to enforce, unless perpetrator is stupid enough to reveal the motives.
Anyhow, at company I'm working at, HR is actively looking for minorities/LGBT+ people, in certain areas, women.

Perhaps the most egregiously blatant example I personally experienced in the professional world was when I was consulting with a company to hire an engineer. The hiring manager made a comment like "the candidate we hire won't be a woman, women aren't good engineers" in response to me giving him a woman's resume, who was a very qualified and excellent engineer with whom I had worked with in the past . Luckily people like this are now increasingly in the minority, or at least keep these thoughts to themselves even if they might act on them. And companies are, as you state, trying to hire more minorities. But don't forget, these developments are pretty recent, and even though companies have policies to improve this, individuals with horrific behaviors like this still populate management positions that make hiring decisions.

The most egregious covert example is the sexual harassment incident I mentioned, the details of which I don't want to share for privacy purposes, but it involved someone in the company's executive team doing something extremely creepy, and it's the type of creepy thing that isn't a misunderstanding or a mistake.

Women have made a lot of progress over the years though, which is great to see, despite some challenges still remaining.

 

[EviLore]

The most egregious covert example is the sexual harassment incident I mentioned, the details of which I don't want to share for privacy purposes, but it involved someone in the company's executive team doing something extremely creepy, and it's the type of creepy thing that isn't a misunderstanding or a mistake.

Compelling anecdote.

 

[kraspkibble]

'accused', whether you did it or not your career is over in the west. Guilty until proven innocent is how the mantra goes right.

and even if you are proven innocent there are still people out there who will treat you like you are guilty just because you were accused. to some people accused = guilty.

now we don't know if this person is innocent or guilty. if they are guilty i hope they get all they deserve but IF they are innocent then this won't just go away.

 

[xrnzaaas]

Wait so she's accusing him only on Twitter? How can you treat something like this seriously? He should sue her assuming he's innocent.