Aceofspades
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I agree that Xbox needs the power race more than PS. It won't happen though, not by 10% in best case scenario.
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I agree that Xbox needs the power race more than PS. It won't happen though, not by 10% in best case scenario.
joe_zazen
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Idk, it was kind of nice in 2013 with such a clear cut choice. easy peasy. Now with have so much stuff in the mix...
FranXico
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What do you mean? Choose the one with the games you like the most.
joe_zazen
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wii u vs xbox 1 OG $499 vs ps4 was easy decision. Next gen, including Nintendo, is a much harder call as MS and Nintendo are way more competitive now. That is all.
edit: and with 12 new studios, i am sure ms will be like N and S with cool exclusives.
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RandomGaffer
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You hit the nail on the head. It's the biggest game changer, pun intended, since... Well, ever. Having solid state storage in every machine and being able to tailor your game world around instant loading will change open world games forever in a way that can't be done on PC since you can't guarantee that all PCs use solid state storage. This changes games in a profound way like going from 2D to 3D did.
And yes, the graphics will be there as well, don't worry.
Negotiator
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The only worrying thing about PC gaming is that only X570 motherboards offer PCIe 4.0 and these have their fair share of issues.
Intel does not plan to offer PCIe 4.0 any time soon... even their 7nm CPUs have been postponed until 2022.
bitbydeath
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Imagine Elder Scrolls with no load times when entering a 2x2 room.
TLZ
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But I'm not talking about a conspiracy theory. I never mentioned it. I'm saying AMD benefited a lot from their collaboration with Sony and MS this gen, that saw them working together further for next gen, on Navi.
RandomGaffer
Neo Member
Imagine a game like GTA (no i don't work for R*, nor do I know what they're working on) with a virtually endless pool of memory instantly accessible and what that'd mean for how lifelike the city would feel in every sense of the word.
It's not only the fact that every console will have solid state storage, it's the fact that they'll have the same storage. Meaning, the read- and writetimes will always be the same. That allows you to basically model the real world in a game since you know every machine will run it the exact same way. THAT is the true revolution here and an advantage console exclusives will hold over PC games for quite some time.
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CrustyBritches
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My friend, the whole crux of what I was saying revolved around the John Sell conspiracy theory. Zen and RDNA are already on the market. John Sell leaving for Intel after completing his work with Xbox is typical and means nothing. I don't want to split hairs over the meaning of "significant". I respect your viewpoint.
If you'd like to hash out some of my other claims I'm more than willing. I invite you to discuss Reee-'s contradicting insider reports, which form the basis of most of the arguments here. For instance, Benji said 13TF dev kits, so people assumed 13TF Navi. Let's analyze that leak versus leaks from data miners and what we currently know about Zen 2 and Navi. This is something that has a provable outcome.
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Mass Shift
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Disagree. MS just needs to put a check in all the necessary boxes.
Games (Variety and Out of the Comfort Zone)
Stable Performance Metrics for both Frames and Resolutions
Open Platform to 3rd Party VR if the intention is not to create Xbox specific Headset
Engage Gamers with More Community Hubs (like Halo Waypoint) around their other IPs like Gears, Fable
Make Cortana the Platform's Official Assistant
Competitive Price Scheme
Keep Acquiring Studios (there's still room for growth)
Imtjnotu
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There focus literally needs to be solely on games. They are far behind the other two when it comes to their first party.
Fake
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IMO they need to shut down that stupid ideia of first party games on Game Pass day one.
Why not put a delay on first party games for a change? Release day one from both console and Game Pass was terrible for those devs. At least wait sometime until put over Game Pass.
You can't attract people to Scarllet with this.
BTW play Witcher 3 on base PS4 for see how loading times could be a pain.
Why not put a delay on first party games for a change? Release day one from both console and Game Pass was terrible for those devs. At least wait sometime until put over Game Pass.
You can't attract people to Scarllet with this.
BTW play Witcher 3 on base PS4 for see how loading times could be a pain.
TLZ
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I think there's a misunderstanding and I came in at the wrong time. You're taking about a conspiracy theory and Doom and gloom and giving examples, while I'm talking about a completely different point that tqaulity raised.
Nevermind. I'll eject myself from the discussion.
CrustyBritches
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Hawking Radiation
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Nah mate.
As another user already put it, MS needs to focus heavily on games. It really is not rocket science. Gamers go where the good games are. MS unfortunately only happen to have 2 or 3 really good games and that doesn't make me want to buy an Xbox when i have Playstation staring at me with a plethora of high quality AAA titles hitting one after the other.
This is the biggest reason why i chose Playstation over Xbox when buying my PS4 Pro a few months ago. Now i am sucked into Sony's ecosystem owning over 100 games with damn near all of Sony's best efforts this generation.
Mass Shift
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I believe I put games at the top of the list. Lol
MS doesn't necessarily need to follow Sony's example of exclusives though. Certainly the number of games is imperative, but not the types. Sony's library is good, but it's still a 99.9% collection of 1P/SP experiences. Sure add a few SPs , but continue to develop the kinds of big MPs and cooperatives that made the platform popular with so many players.
Evilms
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PlayStation 5 May Natively Play Older PlayStation Games; Console Is About The Past And The Future - Rumor
According to some interesting rumors, the PlayStation 5 may be able to natively play all older PlayStation games, which would be big
wccftech.com
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Imtjnotu
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but these SP experiences have been shown to sell consoles and games like crazy. MP games are fun and all but let that be the focus of third party. its been shown this entire gen that quality first party is what sells and SP story driven games sell. MS has lagged behind in this for the last 3 gens when compared to the others
bitbydeath
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Evilms
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PSErebus is the guy who revealed the release date of The Last of Us Part 2 before the official announcement, it's reliable but the best thing is to wait for the official release from Sony.
Mass Shift
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MPs and cooperatives is what built the Xbox platform. Even at a time when gamers were convinced that FPS' couldn't be played on consoles. And as far as leaving MPs just to 3rd party focus, that's just short sighted and a lack of business acumen.
MP brings longevity and replayablity long after expansions and campaign support has been retired. There's absolutely no good reason to drop MP focus from gaming.
LordOfChaos
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PlayStation 5 May Natively Play Older PlayStation Games; Console Is About The Past And The Future - Rumor
According to some interesting rumors, the PlayStation 5 may be able to natively play all older PlayStation games, which would be big
I'm eager for word on if it'll play games at Pro patch levels, and will allow patching beyond what even the Pro can do, for PS4 games.
I've never been an early launch console guy, but if it just brings all your PS4 stuff along with it and upgrades them, there's just no friction to this generation this time, no waiting for a library to flesh out.
Munki
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Have the link for that?
Fake
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Some devs are saying Scarlet and PS5 will get near to similar specs, so I can't confirm the first quote you mention.
Fake
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For now probably not because this is what AMD can offer for Sony.
DeepEnigma
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Nothing is confirmed on that front. If there are two versions, I am willing to bet it is HDD size only, not performance differences.
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Nero_PR
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I guess I will wait and see. But I'm feeling that I'll need to double-dip.
DeepEnigma
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Double dip?
CrustyBritches
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I saw World of Tanks has their RT demo out, and Klee was talking about sharp looking shadows, so I did a comparison in case anyone wants to see the difference even with relatively performant "software/shader" RT shadows. This is Ryzen 1600+RX 480 8GB(1360MHz core, 8100MHz mem), 1080p/Ultra settings/"Maximum AA"/"High" RT Shadows. I'm still having trouble keeping Youtube from smashing my vids, so I included a screen from my local vid.
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Mass Shift
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Get them both. And I know what he means.
DeepEnigma
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Explain? You mean buy both if there are two SKUs?
Mass Shift
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Well when I think double dipping I mean both game consoles. You don't need to purchase two SKUs for drive sizes.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Oooh, you mean Xbox4 and PS5?
Mass Shift
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Insane Metal
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Why a standard SSD is important for nextgen:
CrustyBritches
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Via Reee-, via Planet3dNow(German 3d site with user Bomby who interacts with Komachi's Twitter circle):
Flute(Gonzalo, Oberon, Ariel) has 32MB L3 cache in this updated listing.
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Flute(Gonzalo, Oberon, Ariel) has 32MB L3 cache in this updated listing.
sonomamashine
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It depends on the market.
Audiophile
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Hopefully it'll default to a Pro mode for all games where it's supported; and then a "Pro+" mode for any games that get patched. Would be nice to get a per-game setting for Boost Mode and Super-Sampling too.
All I want is Driveclub in 4K/60, possibly even handful of new cars. I know Evo are dead now but I'm sure Sony have the resources to bump up the res, framerate and textures in a patch. It's utter sacrilege that Driveclub never saw a Pro patch; it's still the best looking racer in motion but is let down by it's 1080p limit on a 4K display.
Imtjnotu
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So this is double what zen 2 has right? Swore it came with 16mb standard
CrustyBritches
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DeepEnigma
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Fake
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My mistake. Was Zen 2 I was talking about, but yeah. Its really confusing, but I guess the fault was the Zen +, with should be Zen 2 instead of Zen 1.5
bitbydeath
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT6| - Mostly Fan Noise and Hot Air
No. It's not quite like CGI, but it way better than current stuff. I so hope that it shows up in a reveal so you can see it.
www.resetera.com
DeepEnigma
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Yeah, I can see that. I think it was Zen+ because it was only an incremental reduction from 14nm to 12nm. Zen 2 is a much larger drop to TSMC 7nm. Zen 2 is also a significant departure in the physical design. Chiplet style over the previous 2 iterations.
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Dabaus
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What does this mean in laymens terms?
Fake
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Could match some leaks or even surpass maybe?
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