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[cireza]

This is only a conversation because Microsoft raced to the bottom by devaluing their own brand.

Pretty sure this is a matter of context. If Microsoft had been leading in sales, we would never have seen Gamepass with AAA games on day-one.

They do this to minimize their market loss and keep Xbox installed as much as possible.

If they take the upper hand and start selling more than Sony next-gen (which I don't believe will happen anyway), I am pretty sure that they would stop making their AAA games available for 1$ day-one.

 

[BadBurger]

Yes. Sony values God of War so much, they’re selling it for $20. Same for Uncharted, TLoU, HZD, etc...

All they’re doing here is assuring the failure of PSNow. Nothing more. If those valuable IPs aren’t on it, why subscribe?

Seriously, though, are we comparing Sony’s half hearted attempt at streaming, that’s an abject failure, to Xbox’s successful digital rental service?

Drop in quality? FH4 and Gears 5 scored very well, were of very high quality, and were on Game Pass day one.

As is so often pointed out, with Game Pass you don’t own anything. You have to stay subscribed at regular price, which is still a good deal, or BUY the game you want to keep playing.

The OP and article was discussing delivering exclusives day-one on these platforms. God of War, Uncharted 4, etc, are on PS Now. They just weren't when they were brand new.

 

[Bryank75]

You don't have to even look at first party games on PlayStation....

Look at Gears 5 sales.... abysmal. Look at Outer World sales on PS4 vs Xbox...
It's clear that PlayStation is where the bigger spenders and more engaged audience is. MS has been hiding more and more metrics each year to obscure how badly they are doing.

I can see the day coming where Xbox game studios will just publish all their games on PlayStation. I already think Scarlett will just run windows and basically be a cheap gaming PC.

Nintendo is already in hybrid territory, so that really isn't a threat to PlayStation as the only pure console left. I have 3 Switches myself!

 

[nikolino840]

For example..why many small team choose to put on day One on gamepass?
I don't know about psnow,maybe some Sony user can reply about small team on psnow,i'm thiniking about "afterparty" "Felix the reaper" and "the good life" made by a japanese like swery65
They put also on psnow?

 

[pr0cs]

Their reluctance to put new compelling software on psnow guarantees I have zero interest in it. I prefer to look at the offerings from a consumer level, what am I getting, rather than what is the company getting out of me.

 

[TylersProphecy4.0]

Sad isn’t it? If only they valued their IP like Nintendo...

Then I'd probably play/buy less than a quarter of the games from sony thar I want to, just like I have to with Nintendo games.

I'm not sure why anyone NOT working for Sony would want this. There is a modern trend of people treating corporations as other individuals and its fucking weird lol.

 

[Mendax89]

Another dumb CEO. Censoring, SJW BS and this. PS5 loose to the Xbox.

 

[Bryank75]

Another dumb CEO. Censoring, SJW BS and this. PS5 loose to the Xbox.

Hahahahahahaha..... good one!

 

[FranXico]

Another dumb CEO. Censoring, SJW BS and this. PS5 loose to the Xbox.

Another dumb fanboy shitpost.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Yea I said huge AAA single player games, outer world probably has a fraction of the dev cost of a AAA Sony game.

Every XBOX exclusive will launch day 1 on Game Pass from now on chief, sorry my example didn't fit your criteria but your argument is still bogus.

 

[bitbydeath]

Microsoft won’t keep doing it forever either as it’s not profitable. They have crazy expectations of:

we think about reaching the over 2 billion people on the planet who play games

Xbox boss Phil Spencer on the future of gaming: “The business isn’t how many consoles you sell”

A deeper look at xCloud and Project Scarlett.

www.theverge.com

When they discover that will never come close to transpiring they’ll be forced to switch course again.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[FranXico]

Microsoft won’t keep doing it forever either as it’s not profitable. They have crazy expectations of:

Xbox boss Phil Spencer on the future of gaming: “The business isn’t how many consoles you sell”

A deeper look at xCloud and Project Scarlett.

www.theverge.com

When they discover that will never come close to transpiring they’ll be forced to switch course again.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

Oh it's obvious it won't last forever, I don't think anybody here disagrees on that.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

As long as a company can float the boat, nobody knows how long a company can keep up with lagging product lines.

Sony lost something like $10 billion on that TV division over the past decade and they don't seem to care. And PS3 was a huge loss leader for years and they didn't care either.

TVs and PS consoles are still here and doing fine.

MS makes about $30+ billion of profits per year and the stock is at an all time high. Pretty sure they don't care about some Xbox losses here and there, especially since they are going gung-ho on cloud and streaming, which relates to more gaming.

If they really cared about Xbox losses, they would have gutted the division after Xbox OG 15 years ago.

 

[brap]

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

yeah right, they're so special, I love all the different ways to hide in a bush in all those special 3rd person shooter-stealth games with some dumbed down climbing mechanics thrown in there...
and all the different special ways to slowly walk next to or behind an NPC while all your controls, except for walking, get taken from you...

so special! I can't wait for The Last of BushHidingWalkingSlowlyImmersionBreak 2!

Yeah unlike microsoft thats been making halo, gears of war and forza for the past 15 years.

So did MS make Office a subscription because no one was buying it?

Shit comparison. You pay for office as long as you use it. Once you pay a buck for gears of war 34 or any other game that took millions to make its done. Nobody's using gamepass to pay for them years straight.

 

[KingdomHeartsFan]

Every XBOX exclusive will launch day 1 on Game Pass from now on chief, sorry my example didn't fit your criteria but your argument is still bogus.

Name one single player only game Microsoft has made that has the huge budget of a Sony AAA game like Last of us 2 or Ghost of Tsushima that has launched day 1 on gamepass. Go ahead I'll wait. It's common sense, those games don't fit that business structure and you will never get those games from Microsoft ever again as long as they put their games day 1.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Name one single player only game Microsoft has made that has the huge budget of a Sony AAA game like Last of us 2 or Ghost of Tsushima that has launched day 1 on gamepass. Go ahead I'll wait. It's common sense, those games don't fit that business structure and you will never get those games from Microsoft ever again as long as they put their games day 1.

Microsoft didn't really have exclusives like this prior to the Gamepass business structure either, though.

 

[KingdomHeartsFan]

Microsoft didn't really have exclusives like this prior to the Gamepass business structure either, though.

Okay I'll take this from another perspective then. Tell me why it makes more sense to give away single player games that can be finished in less than a month for $10 in a subscription service day 1 rather than selling a $60 copy.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Okay I'll take this from another perspective then. Tell me why it makes more sense to give away single player games that can be finished in less than a month for $10 in a subscription service day 1 rather than selling a $60 copy.

I wouldn't tell you that because it doesn't.

 

[KingdomHeartsFan]

I wouldn't tell you that because it doesn't.

Exactly. Which is why I said
"Anyone that expects huge AAA single player only games to appear day 1 on a subscription service is an idiot."

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Exactly. Which is why I said
"Anyone that expects huge AAA single player only games to appear day 1 on a subscription service is an idiot."

It feels like the sort of thing people assumed about Netflix at the start, though, that you'd never get real big budget films but they're beginning to, check a trailer for 12 Underground, for instance.

 

[KingdomHeartsFan]

It feels like the sort of thing people assumed about Netflix at the start, though, that you'd never get real big budget films but they're beginning to, check a trailer for 12 Underground, for instance.

A film is a film, they either go small or go big that's it, there is no options beyond that. With a game you can go small or big but you also have the option to go single player only or multiplayer/GAAS. No business is gonna invest a shit load of money in a single player game that will have a shorter life and less player retention resulting in less re-subscriptions when they have the option to make a multiplayer/GAAS game for a subscription service.

 

[KlickKlack]

I highly doubt that MS first party exclusives will be day one on game pass come Project Scarlett, it’s a marketing ploy at the end of current gen to get subscriber numbers that they hope will carry over into next gen.

they will

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Another dumb CEO. Censoring, SJW BS and this. PS5 loose to the Xbox.

 

[Bolivar687]

I'm not gonna lie, I love this.

 

[Little Chicken]

Really, you think Satya Nadella and MS investors are jumping for jubilation because they're losing revenue on XBOX and gamepass?

I should've realised you'd know better than a trillion dollar company.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Really, you think Satya Nadella and MS investors are jumping for jubilation because they're losing revenue on XBOX and gamepass?

You really think Sony was jumping in jubilation when their TV division and PS3 were losing billions per year? Sony didn't do a thing.

 

[demigod]

Mmk.

Sony never did it right. That's the bottom line. They never gave PSNow the chance that Microsoft did with Game Pass and eventually Xcloud. It wasn't time. PSNow doesn't have the quality nor the accessibility that Xcloud is promoting. Not saying Xcloud is a shoe-in to be successful. All I'm saying is that Sony half assed it. It's why they started offering games for download now, instead of just streaming. It's why they are partnering with Azure. They are playing catch up because they didn't go hard at streaming in the first place. It's not because they don't have the money. The only logical explanation is because they didn't see the value in it. Like you said, probably was smart business back in 2014. Times are changing and Sony got slapped in the back of the head with that realization. There's still time to make it awesome, but they are behind right now. Fact.

10mil games sold >>>>>>>> 10mil free subs.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

10mil games sold >>>>>>>> 10mil free subs.

Who cares.

But if you care about units sold so much, Minecraft has sold 176 million units at last count earlier this year, which is more than most of your Sony SP games combined. And while Sony first party games sales come to a halt soon after, Minecraft keeps going. That's due to being a superior game with replay value.

Since MS took over the game, it's sold over 100 million copies since 2014.

 

[demigod]

Who cares.

But if you care about units sold so much, Minecraft has sold 176 million units at last count earlier this year, which is more than most of your Sony SP games combined. And while Sony first party games sales come to a halt soon after, Minecraft keeps going. That's due to being a superior game with replay value.

Since MS took over the game, it's sold over 100 million copies since 2014.

You obviously cared so much that you have to compare it to Minecraft. MS has nothing to do with Minecraft's success.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

You obviously cared so much that you have to compare it to Minecraft. MS has nothing to do with Minecraft's success.

It typically is a who cares kind of thing, but since you brought up sales in a PS Now thread (and compared to Game Pass subs), why not?

Since MS took over, sales have tripled. It was 60 million when MS took over. Ad by spring 2019, it was 176 million. By year end, it should be 180 million+ which destroys all your Sony high budget SP Sony games many times over. You can even combine franchises and add up sequels and it might reach 180 million if you add up enough of them.

lol

And with a metacritic of about 90, it has better review scores than most Sony games too.

 

[demigod]

It typically is a who cares kind of thing, but since you brought up sales in a PS Now thread (and compared to Game Pass subs), why not?

Since MS took over, sales have tripled. It was 60 million when MS took over. Ad by spring 2019, it was 176 million. By year end, it should be 180 million+ which destroys all your Sony high budget SP Sony games many times over. You can even combine franchises and add up sequels and it might reach 180 million if you add up enough of them.

lol

And with a metacritic of about 90, it has better review scores than most Sony games too.

Minecraft isn't exclusive but since you want to go that route, Sony gaming division has been destroying the xbox gaming division.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Minecraft isn't exclusive but since you want to go that route, Sony gaming division has been destroying the xbox gaming division.

In terms of sales, for sure. In terms of quality, nope.

Next time you need to buy a car, we'll go together. When we walk in, you can look for the worker selling Civics, and I'll look for the Lexus salesman.

See? Pretty stupid to bring up sales right?

And besides, I never understand you Sony fans bringing up sales and games muddying up threads. How come you never bring up sales, games, or quality vs. PC gamers? Or against Nintendo first party games? Or unit sales vs. Wii? Or Vita vs. any Nintendo DS or 3DS?

You guys spout lots of crud on forums getting into console battles, but never seem to make a topic on the above. Why?

 

[demigod]

In terms of sales, for sure. In terms of quality, nope.

Next time you need to buy a car, we'll go together. When we walk in, you can look for the worker selling Civics, and I'll look for the Lexus salesman.

See? Pretty stupid to bring up sales right?

And besides, I never understand you Sony fans bringing up sales and games muddying up threads. How come you never bring up sales, games, or quality vs. PC gamers? Or against Nintendo first party games? Or unit sales vs. Wii? Or Vita vs. any Nintendo DS or 3DS?

You guys spout lots of crud on forums getting into console battles, but never seem to make a topic on the above. Why?

What the fuck are you talking about now? How about you go back and look who I quoted, which has nothing to do with PC or Nintendo. If you want to compare Sony games vs PC or Nintendo, go right ahead and make a new thread about it.

Mmk.

Sony never did it right. That's the bottom line. They never gave PSNow the chance that Microsoft did with Game Pass and eventually Xcloud. It wasn't time. PSNow doesn't have the quality nor the accessibility that Xcloud is promoting. Not saying Xcloud is a shoe-in to be successful. All I'm saying is that Sony half assed it. It's why they started offering games for download now, instead of just streaming. It's why they are partnering with Azure. They are playing catch up because they didn't go hard at streaming in the first place. It's not because they don't have the money. The only logical explanation is because they didn't see the value in it. Like you said, probably was smart business back in 2014. Times are changing and Sony got slapped in the back of the head with that realization. There's still time to make it awesome, but they are behind right now. Fact.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

If the recent and upcoming releases are an indication of what to expect from XBox GamePass (Gears 5, Outer Worlds, Ori 2, Bleeding Esge, Halo Infinite), the value will increase and the games "will be there".

I think Sony day and date for its exclusives are inevitable. However, right now, they have no business reason to do so.

That's a big if. Very big if. Those titles are being folded in and were in development before gamepass begun. It remains to be seen if there will continue to be big budget games added to gamepass that have the development budgets of the aformentioned titles.

 

[The Alien]

That's a big if. Very big if. Those titles are being folded in and were in development before gamepass begun. It remains to be seen if there will continue to be big budget games added to gamepass that have the development budgets of the aformentioned titles.

All XGS releases have been confirmed by Spencer to go in GamePass day and date.

Some will be AAA, some maybe single A.

Can they get AAA 3rd party titles? I think they do and will get better here too. I'm betting GamePass will have some good nuggets added at XO19 next week.

 

[Gamernyc78]

Pretty sure this is a matter of context. If Microsoft had been leading in sales, we would never have seen Gamepass with AAA games on day-one.

They do this to minimize their market loss and keep Xbox installed as much as possible.

If they take the upper hand and start selling more than Sony next-gen (which I don't believe will happen anyway), I am pretty sure that they would stop making their AAA games available for 1$ day-one.

Most of what thy have done has been very reactionary to Sony leading the market and of course to not lose more market share and try to gain traction. . We know thy were going all in on kinect, came up with a thousand excuses not to remove it but when thy saw Sony spank tht ass, saw ppl going back to Playstation thy removed it and stopped talking tht "embedded in the os talk". Again competition is great for these reason but I agree the gamepass situation exists because they've been last place and their software sales have been stagnant but thts on them for not diversifying their portfolio and relying on their stale holy trinity or lower echelon ips.

Smfh at ppl talking about "arrogant Sony" , no just not dumb Sony" thnk God none of you run their business we'd be inundated with mid tier AA bs games the whole gen

 

[Woo-Fu]

 

[cartman414]

nah, I would feel better if people started to look at games like TLOU as what they are... the most generic gameplay imaginable with the most uninspired leveldesign, wearing some pretty makeup. like an old hooker trying to get business.
and everyone is just looking at the walls of pretty makeup and call them masterpieces, when in reality noone involved was out to make a good game, they were out to make a pretty looking dumbed down piece of software that is easy to consume

So... the gaming equivalent of Marvel Cinematic Universe movies?

 

[PeacefulWorldGuy]

Hope ps5 expensive edition power really similiar with rtx 2070+ card, so i stop begging sony exclusive come to steam just for 60 fps true experience.

Another dumb CEO. Censoring, SJW BS and this. PS5 loose to the Xbox.

Xbox lost against Sony and Nintendo in the current generation... And this cycle will continue.

 

[Jigsaah]

No, opinion, actually far from a fact.....Your opinion that XCLOUD is more ahead of the game and will position itself as the perfect sub service business model is naïve at best...….You are simply promoting a service that does not exist as superior to a service which does exist......

In essence, you believe in MS's hype for this un-launched service over what exists...….Even history is not on your side tow hat MS hypes vs what they deliver...…..Yet I would love to see what XCLOUD delivers, I really hope you don't backtrack when it's not the gold service you anticipate that will trump all in it's path......

Who said perfect? Why are you putting words in my mouth? I literally said it doesn't mean Microsfot is a shoe-in as a success. Did you even read my post before responding?

 

[Ryu_Joestar]

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

yeah right, they're so special, I love all the different ways to hide in a bush in all those special 3rd person shooter-stealth games with some dumbed down climbing mechanics thrown in there...
and all the different special ways to slowly walk next to or behind an NPC while all your controls, except for walking, get taken from you...

so special! I can't wait for The Last of BushHidingWalkingSlowlyImmersionBreak 2!

 

[Grinchy]

TBH, Sony is kinda right here. Microsoft has to give away a lot of their games on Gamepass because who the fuck was going to be happy spending $60 on Crackdown 3 or Sea of Thieves? Even the Gears games are a tough sell to many people at this point. Their properties just are not as good. You are free to think they are, but it's like comparing shows on the CW to actual quality films you'd see in the theater. They're not on the same quality level at all.

Why would Sony feel the need to give their big games away for "free" at launch when the product is easily worth full price to consumers? That's the difference. No one was buying Crackdown 3 for full price on launch day. Everyone is going to buy The Last of Us 2 for full price on launch day. Sony would be out of their minds to give it away for free.

 

[Pallas]

I can see them changing their tune if Gamepass becomes a huge success next gen but that’s all dependent of Xbox can vastly improve their first party output. If Outer Worlds is any indication then the future may be bright.

Eventually you may see where PSNow becomes more similar to Gamepass, especially since you can download those games on PSNow. If they become similar, and Xbox Scarlett is a success next gen(by success I don’t mean sell more or make more than its competitors) then Sony may be incline to directly compete with Gamepass which could see them potentially release first party games on PSNow on launch if there’s a lot of pressure on them because the competition is doing it.

Thats just my theory on how it could potentially play out. I hope BOTH services are successful and I’m honestly tired of seeing the “One must fail if the other is to be successful” rhetoric.

 

[thelastword]

I highly doubt that MS first party exclusives will be day one on game pass come Project Scarlett, it’s a marketing ploy at the end of current gen to get subscriber numbers that they hope will carry over into next gen.

I share the same sentiment and said this months ago, MS cannot continue to lose money on gamepass forever....The 1 dollar subs you see now won't last into next gen or even long into 2020. It's a honeymoon period.

Eventually Phil's bosses will put pressure on him to produce something that's not a money pit..... He will have to increase gamepass prices and stop these 1 dollar passes and he will have to stop spending millions making AAA games only to rent them away for a dollar...... Rinse repeat, next AAA game right? How long could MS do this realistically......?

That's why they are buying many indie studios to lessen the AAA output and price increment to gamepass, since their intention is to have new first party games on the service every 3 months....

So expect many bad rats and life of black tiger quality ware, if the indie devs have even lower budgets and time frames to produce their games.... Gears 5 is on gamepass for a 1 dollar sub, how many players are playing now....., how many completed the game? MS may hide sales numbers but they can't hide that..... If persons are not even as enthusiastic when such a big game is so cheap, how enthused will they be when the shovel ware starts hitting gamepass....

 

[Codes 208]

Speaking of special treatment i noticed that at walmart sony exclusives are pretty much the only games that release at full price (physical copies specifically in-store) whereas just about every other AAA game that releases is $50 or below, for example:

 

[sol_bad]

Both Sony and Nintendo would be stupid to put their brand new first party games on a subscription service. They both sells millions of copies for their games, that's millions of dollars that they'll lose out on.
People saying that this shows Sony not having any faith in their subscription service, the opposite is true for Microsoft. They have zero faith in their own first party titles and feel they aren't worth the $60 price tag that they have.

And in all honesty, to me, they aren't. They have been riding on the Halo/Gears of War/Forza train for waaaaay to long. It's been at least 14 years at this point.

 

[Pallas]

I share the same sentiment and said this months ago, MS cannot continue to lose money on gamepass forever....The 1 dollar subs you see now won't last into next gen or even long into 2020. It's a honeymoon period.

Eventually Phil's bosses will put pressure on him to produce something that's not a money pit..... He will have to increase gamepass prices and stop these 1 dollar passes and he will have to stop spending millions making AAA games only to rent them away for a dollar...... Rinse repeat, next AAA game right? How long could MS do this realistically......?

That's why they are buying many indie studios to lessen the AAA output and price increment to gamepass, since their intention is to have new first party games on the service every 3 months....

I don’t think anyone on here realistically expects Gamepass to stay $1, you are exaggerating that bit. We all know that price isn’t forever. Anyone who thought that is delusional.
I also don’t agree that they “purchased a bunch of indie studios” if by indie you mean studios that often make low budget games, without a publishers funding. Not all of those studios fit that profile.

 

[leo-j]

Ps now has the biggest PlayStation franchises on it, once the platform comes out on iOS and Android with that DualShock 4 support it’s pretty much over for any other platform imo. Servers are the only thing hindering them from dominating that cloud gaming space, even though they have over a million subscribers since dropping to 9.99. You can not compare game pass with a platform that has 800 games that spans three generations, all killzone, all ratchet games, all infamous, all uncharted mainline, all god of war games, like come on. It’s a bargain for 9.99. And to argue, that Sony is arrogant for not dropping their main ip day one on there? They don’t have to. Ps now is competing with the used game market, and the streaming market.

 

[Strife In a Teacup]

Another dumb CEO. Censoring, SJW BS and this. PS5 loose to the Xbox.

 

[JustP_Gaming]

You don't have to even look at first party games on PlayStation....

Look at Gears 5 sales.... abysmal. Look at Outer World sales on PS4 vs Xbox...
It's clear that PlayStation is where the bigger spenders and more engaged audience is. MS has been hiding more and more metrics each year to obscure how badly they are doing.

I can see the day coming where Xbox game studios will just publish all their games on PlayStation. I already think Scarlett will just run windows and basically be a cheap gaming PC.

Nintendo is already in hybrid territory, so that really isn't a threat to PlayStation as the only pure console left. I have 3 Switches myself!

You still don't understand what is going on. You are what is referred to as an armchair analyst, you have no idea what the bigger picture is here.