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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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I did mentioned several times before that it would surely be a cylinder design box, better cooling.

Nope.

All in engine is not same as in real time gameplay, keep that in mind.
-concerning the 12Tf rumor, all i have to say is wait and see, might be 12 Tf GCN, the general consumer are not tech savvy and don't follow tech news, to avoid some misunderstanding it is wise to keep the old gen TF count.
If it's not confirmed by Microsoft themselfs (12Tf Navi) don't take it as a confirmation by anyone other than them.

BOTH Sony and MS Will not use old architecture. Cut that shit talk now, seriously.

Bothe are extremely Focused on bringing inovative stuff in their components, hence why you'll have a specially designed SSD (not a genetic one usually found on Pc).
 

VFXVeteran

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One thing for sure... 8TF team lost 😅. I remember one guy in particular (I will not mention his name.... because I'm a kind person 😅😉) who called me delusional because I was expecting 1080ti performance in a console. He also said PC games like Star Wars Fallen Order already shows next gen visuals, yet XboXSeX game Hellblade 2 looks clearly superior.

Are you referring to me?
 

Kusarigama

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No one is talking aboit the First original xsx presentation in wich we can already see a sample of some games including a football game. No spefulation about It since people are giving excluisve Focus on HELLBLADE game.

Im pretty sure this short clip aré showing games that Will be repased on day one. Obviously games have been under development for seres X so the Idea that its dev kits were Just given to developers a week Ago and no one had any real idea of true nextbox specs sounds bullshit to me,
I totally agree, MS couldn't have been behind "schedule" as they have already revealed the final form of the console which needs most of the specs to be locked down with very little space for minor tweaking.
 

DeepEnigma

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I also think an exclusive big dedicantes event for the console reveal is much better for a First official annoucement, like Playstation Meeting,l. Its Far, Far better than an event with devided attentions with every other Company.

The hype build up is way bigger and theres a Lot more space and time to with 100 Focus on what the platform can bring.

The whole Sony is fucked but because MS started It First is absooute shit talk tbh.

Even If MS have an exclusive event, the new Xbox is no longer a New thing, so Sony actually have a Lot more hype and expectations to build up Until then.

You make a good point about the hype now. MS sort of handed Sony a hype gift for their event. I am just glad we are seemingly getting powerhouses out of the both of them that will push game design elements forward with the custom SSD kit.
 

48086

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I totally agree, MS couldn't have been behind "schedule" as they have already revealed the final form of the console which needs most of the specs to be locked down with very little space for minor tweaking.

But resetera told me no devs have xsx dev kits and something is wrong?
 
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48086

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I also think an exclusive big dedicantes event for the console reveal is much better for a First official annoucement, like Playstation Meeting,l. Its Far, Far better than an event with devided attentions with every other Company.

The hype build up is way bigger and theres a Lot more space and time to with 100 Focus on what the platform can bring.

The whole Sony is fucked but because MS started It First is absooute shit talk tbh.

Even If MS have an exclusive event, the new Xbox is no longer a New thing, so Sony actually have a Lot more hype and expectations to build up Until then.

I don't think Sony is in trouble, but I think MS is going for a different strategy. I think from here on out they are going to do small info drops. That keeps them in the headlines from now until launch. Each info drop is also new info and brings the focus back on MS. Whereas Sony will blow their load in one event and then essentially have to repeat news until the launch.

Either way, I don't think either strategy matters in the grand scheme of things. What matters is if one company has a major pricing/feature (e.g. always online) PR nightmare.
 

Kusarigama

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But resetera but me no devs have xsx dev kits and something is wrong?
The folks over there are crazy. They ask same things over and over and over again trying to word slightly differently. I am amazed at how patient Kleegamefan has been reaffirming same thing over and over again
 
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Dabaus

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I also think an exclusive big dedicantes event for the console reveal is much better for a First official annoucement, like Playstation Meeting,l. Its Far, Far better than an event with devided attentions with every other Company.

The hype build up is way bigger and theres a Lot more space and time to with 100 Focus on what the platform can bring.

The whole Sony is fucked but because MS started It First is absooute shit talk tbh.

Even If MS have an exclusive event, the new Xbox is no longer a New thing, so Sony actually have a Lot more hype and expectations to build up Until then.

Its too early too tell if sony is "in trouble."I think this conclusion is absured right now. Microsoft showed this off now because they HAD to. Whenever sony drops a tidbit about ps5 it goes global. Maybe they know things about what sony is doing that we dont? Maybe they know sony is aiming for 399, thats a killshot no matter how much power they stuff in xbox.
 
You make a good point about the hype now. MS sort of handed Sony a hype gift for their event. I am just glad we are seemingly getting powerhouses out of the both of them that will push game design elements forward with the custom SSD kit.

There Will be curosity around PS5 as no one knows How It looks like and How powerfull can be.

The fact that we already know Xbox séries x design only build more expectations to see How the New Sony console looks in comparison.
 
Its too early too tell if sony is "in trouble."I think this conclusion is absured right now. Microsoft showed this off now because they HAD to. Whenever sony drops a tidbit about ps5 it goes global. Maybe they know things about what sony is doing that we dont? Maybe they know sony is aiming for 399, thats a killshot no matter how much power they stuff in xbox.


I honestly dont think Sony would give up on winning or rivalling on the Power battle only to sell a cheaper console since they know pretty well about the Brand popularity and Power wich is like twice as big tbh

They know they Will have a huge ps5 fan base anyway. Sure they Will not Go Overboard like they did with the 599 dollars PS3. But they know how strong their Brand is and How loyal the fanbase is. An equal price with equivalente Power still is a Win for Sony imo, despite MS strong gamepass deal
 

Gamernyc78

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Prediction again $500.00 price point PS5 more powerful but Xbox competitive. I'm glad for the Xbox soft reveal (although I don't think the game chosen says much about what it's capable of) and anxiously await more info.
 

Tqaulity

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Phil's choice of words are interesting.

"the fastest and the the most powerful"

It appears he really wanted make sure he threaded both needles with that comment .
Why are people making this a point of confusion. Both live on stage and in the Xbox Wire article, it clearly states "our fastest and most powerful console" ever or "the fastest and most powerful xbox" ever. Never did Phil or anyone say it's "the most powerful" box or console ever. Stop changing the narrative people


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Gamernyc78

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Why are people making this a point of confusion. Both live on stage and in the Xbox Wire article, it clearly states "our fastest and most powerful console" ever or "the fastest and most powerful xbox" ever. Never did Phil or anyone say it's "the most powerful" box or console ever. Stop changing the narrative people


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I've already (and others) have highlighted this, at this point your just wasting your time. The writing is on the wall and thy know this but some ppl don't want to hear tht.
 
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I am worried a little bit about the RAM. 13GB-16GB RAM available for games seems a lot, but it will quickly be small 4-5 years down the road. 20GB available for games with RAM bandwidth of 600GB-1TB per second range seems adequate.

As I predicted, the TFLOP has to be 12 due to marketing "double the TFLOP and 2x GPU power from One X"
 

DeepEnigma

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I am worried a little bit about the RAM. 13GB-16GB RAM available for games seems a lot, but it will quickly be small 4-5 years down the road. 20GB available for games with RAM bandwidth of 600GB-1TB per second range seems adequate.

As I predicted, the TFLOP has to be 12 due to marketing "double the TFLOP and 2x GPU power from One X"

Not if their SSD solution is tied into feeding and caching ultra fast. I would agree on mechanical 5400rpm drives on SATA, and I would like at least 24, but they can do 16 if their I/O setup is custom and faster than anything on the market like they claim.
 
OUR most POWERRUL console ever equals tô most powerful Xbox ever. Same statements with different words.

Againt, at e3 2019 that made the same kind of statement: "most powerfull and highest performing console WE ever designed".



They are confident while playing safe with their wording.

They never suggested that they have the most powerful console ever created like they did with Xbox one x YET.
 

DJ12

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I am worried a little bit about the RAM. 13GB-16GB RAM available for games seems a lot, but it will quickly be small 4-5 years down the road. 20GB available for games with RAM bandwidth of 600GB-1TB per second range seems adequate.

As I predicted, the TFLOP has to be 12 due to marketing "double the TFLOP and 2x GPU power from One X"
Where was it said it's double the tflops?

You do realise when you quote something it should really have been said....
 
I am worried a little bit about the RAM. 13GB-16GB RAM available for games seems a lot, but it will quickly be small 4-5 years down the road. 20GB available for games with RAM bandwidth of 600GB-1TB per second range seems adequate.

As I predicted, the TFLOP has to be 12 due to marketing "double the TFLOP and 2x GPU power from One X"
I agree. I simply cannot see this console with 16GB total. 4K graphics will require a lot of VRAM.
 

Mass Shift

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Why are people making this a point of confusion. Both live on stage and in the Xbox Wire article, it clearly states "our fastest and most powerful console" ever or "the fastest and most powerful xbox" ever. Never did Phil or anyone say it's "the most powerful" box or console ever. Stop changing the narrative people


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It's not about changing narratives. It's about a point he CHOSE to emphasize. Something he wanted to be on record stating. And Phil understands the power and significance of words, he knows everything he says is being carefully listened to and scrutinized.

if he didn't want to draw attention to power and speed he would have never mentioned it a SECOND time. But he chose to go there again, carefully threading the needle each time.

If he hadn't revisited this line a second time, I would be in complete agreement with you.
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nowhat

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According to MisterXMedia, the clouds power prophet, the PS5 will actually be powered with a Geforce series gpu and a Pentium Celeron, 256mb ram memory.
There also a YouTube "analysis" from Colt Eastwood about the new Xbox. Haven't watched it (I dunno why he keeps popping up in my feed), but if you're dead set that Xbox is the bestest thing ever and the next-gen race is already over, but need some confirmation bias, do check it out!

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pawel86ck

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Are you referring to me?
Remember, I have told you once your friend could misinform you, and by repeating incorrect informations people later on may consider you untrustworthy and even make fun of you. You took the risk, so now you cant blame me. At least I'm not rude to you like people over resetera. Today I have read countless posts over there with your name mentioned (al least 20 posts), and these people arent polite like me.

Now you say your friend at Epic has (indirectly) confirmed Hellblade 2 wasnt running on xbox SX, but on PC, and although this information make shock some people here it's finally something I can believe.
 
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FranXico

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who said double the tflop? any sauce?
MS said something accurate and factual, which is "twice the power of the Xbox One X". No TF count mentioned by them. The 12TF (which given the architecture differences between GCN and RDNA would be way more than double the X1X power) is Verge writers getting confused.
 

pawel86ck

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I agree. I simply cannot see this console with 16GB total. 4K graphics will require a lot of VRAM.
I think the way data will be streamed to RAM will change drastically thanks to SDD, because developers will not need to load nearly as much data at once, and therefore save RAM. I would be not surprised if 16GB + Fast SDD would enable developers to make better looking games than on console with 24GB RAM but without SDD.
 

ANIMAL1975

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To be clear, no one but Tom Warren said 12, and Tom seems to have extrapolated that from Phil saying twice as powerful as X. Think we jumped the gun on that in excitement yesterday.

12Tflops on RDNA would be 2.5-3x as powerful as X (senior). I'm gonna guess it's around 10 paper Tflops, which would bring it to 2x as powerful.
I know that, (and there are already other 'gaming' sites claiming that Phil confirmed doble XoneX 12tf) but i was referring to the people in this thread that are doing the same, and doing mental gimnastics to justify why Phil only said doble the power/but is 12tf RDNA, just read back and enjoy

I think Phil just understand GPU with 12TF power means always 12TF no matter with architecture. Of course more efficient architecture can do the same task faster, but that's not what casuals will think about..

We can use cars analogy here. 100km/h is always 100km/h no matter what car it's, and the same can be said about TFLOPS. However certain cars will accelerate and turn faster, therefore will finish the race quicker.

XboXSeX is 12TF (RDNA 1.5-2 because VRS was mentioned, and that's something first gen Navi dont support) and there's no reason to think windows central leak wasnt accurate.
I think you are wrong there _ Phil knows exactly what he can say right now (he doesn't give away CPU or GPU clocks, CU count, Tflops, that's all for later) of course he is inside all that stuff with the engineering team. And what does he specifically mention? Power in general, how much one GPU is more powerful than the other _ how much faster the new X is going to get to 100km/h (by your analogy), no horse power numbers, valves, no engine cylinder capacity,... all the stuff inside the engine that gets you there.
And about Windows Central leak, SX GPU being less than 12tf doesn't make it inaccurate, they specifically said 12tf target specs, and even XcloudTimdog XcloudTimdog confirmed it, that it can be a lower number, some time after (don't remember if it was this thread or the other).
Sorry for the long wall of text, but I'm not a native English speaker and it's a bit hard to translate and write my thoughts lol

I'm thinking of a number between 13 & 15
What are you talking about onQ? Are you teasing or have real Intel?
 

THE:MILKMAN

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Is there a reason MS refuses to use the word Navi and says RDNA instead?

I think it is just their way. They did similar with Jaguar this gen in that they rarely ever mentioned the name. They confirmed 'Navi technology' in the E3 video.

Saying all that I have a tonne of article reading to do. What articles have MS only saying RDNA?
 
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