Aldo Raine
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PS5 because exclusives, exclusives, exclusives
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Early polling: PS5, XSX, or Both?
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kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Why is this surprising? Playstation 4 has outsold the Xbox One from day one, particularly in Europe. Sony had had tremendous success with their games this generation, MS has produced mostly commercial failures. Sure, MS has mended its ways, invested in games studios, etc. But when I have to choose between Sony and MS, I will pick the brand that provided me the best console and games in the past, not the one who promises to do it better next time.
Personally, I was a multi platform gamer for the longest time. PS2 + Xbox, PS3 + Xbox 360. But this gen I only got a PS4. Since I also have a PC, I can now play all new MS games without needing an Xbox. No need at all to buy the new Xbox. What makes it even easier is that I don't like Halo and Forza. I learned that during my Xbox 360 days.
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Toxictemplar
Neo Member
PS5 Day One.
PocoJoe
Banned
And what do you play on switch? Kind of all their IPs are just copy&paste from old games, shallow and quite simple.
Then there are indies aka 99.9% garbage and so on.
I get your point but at least "movie story games" have different stories and characters, not just mario&zelda characters copypasted around.
So it sounds bit ironic to skip next gen because of games that are repeating old mechanics, while playing on switch that is based on recycling instead of innovating
But taking that into account I guess it is the same to play switch or next gen if games dont offer anything
Humdinger
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I voted PS5. If MS ends up releasing a few exclusives I want to play by 2021 or 2022, I might pick up an Xbox One X, which will have dropped in price by then. The X is powerful enough. XSX is supposedly twice as powerful, but that's probably not enough to get me to spend another couple hundred dollars. Besides, it won't fit under my TV.
Highway Star
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Both.
PS5 for VR and maybe some others, and XSX for everything else. Neither until a year has passed because launch titles, and early releases don't warrant the expense right away.
PS5 for VR and maybe some others, and XSX for everything else. Neither until a year has passed because launch titles, and early releases don't warrant the expense right away.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Excuse me??!!
Hellblade 2 was a music video! Get it right!
They even pushed play on the Blu-ray for that sweet 24FPS, judder free!
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ANIMAL1975
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PS5, got to migrate with all my library, i always sell the current console to buy the next one, and have been with Playstation since the first.
XBox only time can tell, it will always depend on life and finances, but if one day i will be able to afford it, i will buy it. Don't like/don't play on pc.
XBox only time can tell, it will always depend on life and finances, but if one day i will be able to afford it, i will buy it. Don't like/don't play on pc.
synchronicity
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I see no reason not to remain PC/Sony/Ninty.
Oddvintagechap
Member
I dont even know how someone picks xbox. But 2 choices, some one has to pick the other.
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
ManaByte
Member
How dare people have opinions and preferences.
demigod
Member
Movies, walking sims. I got a newsflash for y'all, the initiative's next game is a walking sim.
I bet all those walking sim haters are going to praise that game and will gamepass it.
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Humdinger
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I've always found the "cinematic" critique strange. I like games with stories and interesting characters. That's how you do them -- you include cinematic elements. In general, people are story-telling and story-loving beings. Our culture is built on stories. Even the position that "Sony always puts out the same kind of games" is a story, albeit a bad one. If you just want gameplay devoid of story and characters, I guess stick with Crackdown and Sea of Thieves and online multiplayer shooters, etc.; personally they bore me. It's just a mechanical exercise. I want characters and a world to invest in, to motivate me, and that always requires a story, which is best told in cinematic form. So the whole anti-story crowd is speaking another language, to me.
The whole "one and done" thing is weird, too, especially when it's framed as if these are 6 to 8 hour experiences. I've spent months playing through the Uncharted trilogy, twice. I've played through Days Gone twice and spent over a hundred hours on it. I'm now on my fourth play through of Horizon Zero Dawn and have spent well over two hundred hours on it. One and done? I don't think so. Two days to finish? More like still playing it four years later.
Deride narrative-driven single player games all you want, but Sony knows that these are the experiences a lot of people enjoy, and they've been hugely successful because of it. People who talk about it in exaggeratedly negative terms seem bitter to me. It's like they're sad and angry that their "side" is losing the console war, and they hold a grudge.
The whole "one and done" thing is weird, too, especially when it's framed as if these are 6 to 8 hour experiences. I've spent months playing through the Uncharted trilogy, twice. I've played through Days Gone twice and spent over a hundred hours on it. I'm now on my fourth play through of Horizon Zero Dawn and have spent well over two hundred hours on it. One and done? I don't think so. Two days to finish? More like still playing it four years later.
Deride narrative-driven single player games all you want, but Sony knows that these are the experiences a lot of people enjoy, and they've been hugely successful because of it. People who talk about it in exaggeratedly negative terms seem bitter to me. It's like they're sad and angry that their "side" is losing the console war, and they hold a grudge.
LordClansman
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Xbox missed out too many games I wanted to play and I'm not talking about Sony games (which are good too, like The Last Guardan and God of War), but fuck Catherine Full Body, SFV, Presona 5, Nier Automata (for a long time), Shenmue 3, etc. I honestly don't wanna risk that much again, on the other hand while having a PS you only miss on Microsoft first party games, which I'm okay with (and I would be okay with only missing Sony first party titles too) but Xbox misses out so much more, specially Japanese titles, and I don't see that changing.
Ascend
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I doubt Sony can outdo MS here... PS5's BC is only for PS4 games, which means the Xbox already has the advantage here, since it has games from the original Xbox at no additional cost. Additionally, the hardest emulation job is already done for MS, which was emulating the IBM PowerPC CPU for the X360 to work on an X86/x64 instruction set. Upgrading the graphics for the Series X should be a piece of cake for games that have already been added for the Xbox One consoles. The most likely step is giving everything ray tracing, in addition to a resolution and AA/AF bump.
What was that something? Because apparently he mentioned that Ninja Theory was having 'conflicts' with Sony back in October, meaning the Hellblade 2 for Xbox announcement was expected... So... Yeah. There is a chance that it will launch with enough exclusives. Not that I will buy either of them at launch though.
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CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
I love a good story in my games and I'm on the same page with you for Horizon Zero Dawn. I was so immersed in that game and I loved the way the holographs and discarded videos let tale of how the modern world ended unfold. I rushed to get a 2nd playthrough right before I traded my PS4 in on my X. I thought the story in TLoU was decent too, but the rest of the PS 4 games I didn't really get into the stories, but that doesn't mean I think they're bad (except UC4 - that one was bad) it just mean I just like different games than a lot of Sony fans.
Story is one of the most enjoyable parts of a game for me. Quantum Break my favorite game this gen along with HZD. I love the gunplaygameplay in all the Halo games but what first hooked me was the story and lore. Hellblade can't tell you how much I love that story. Intense. AC Odyessy, loved it. Gears 5 has made me a true Gears fan after all these years. Deus Ex, Mass Effect etc. etc. Love them all. As long as they have fun gameplay and a story that hooks me then I love the so-called "movie games".
But I do have to say XsX next gen music video games are even better.
prag16
Banned
I wouldn't mind trading in my PS4 for a PS5 provided FULL bc is on offer. They will probably have some decent trade in deals... however I am not a Plus subscriber and don't want to lose all my save games, which I probably would if I can't set up the PS5 BEFORE getting rid of the PS4... hmm.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
You can back up game saves to USB or external HDD.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
That’s my plan as well.
DarkestHour
Banned
PS5 only because it has exclusives and supposedly will be backwards compatible with PS4. I already have two PC's so there's no reason for me to get an Xbox.
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
It's interesting because it's exactly the opposite situation on both ends. The Marios and Zeldas are the same clothing so to speak, with some gameplay innovations. Whereas on PS4 especially, we have the same game´play with different clothing. New IP's that play and feel the same thoughout.
I guess that depends on which you prefer. I've had a PS4 for years, and only last month I got a Switch. And I like it a lot more. . Mainly for the gameplay. Zelda, Mario, Astral Chain, etc.. are not all new IPs, but playing them felt like a breath of fresh air, to me.
I agree with you that the indie scene, although compelling, isn't very important for the platforms as a whole. So, I'm not including them in my thinking.
FranXico
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They are devoted indeed, I'll give them that.
Humdinger
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Well, neomembers can't vote in polls, so that's not it.
Little Chicken
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Both!
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Humdinger
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I love a good story in my games and I'm on the same page with you for Horizon Zero Dawn. I was so immersed in that game and I loved the way the holographs and discarded videos let tale of how the modern world ended unfold. I rushed to get a 2nd playthrough right before I traded my PS4 in on my X. I thought the story in TLoU was decent too, but the rest of the PS 4 games I didn't really get into the stories, but that doesn't mean I think they're bad (except UC4 - that one was bad) it just mean I just like different games than a lot of Sony fans.
Story is one of the most enjoyable parts of a game for me. Quantum Break my favorite game this gen along with HZD. I love the gunplaygameplay in all the Halo games but what first hooked me was the story and lore. Hellblade can't tell you how much I love that story. Intense. AC Odyessy, loved it. Gears 5 has made me a true Gears fan after all these years. Deus Ex, Mass Effect etc. etc. Love them all. As long as they have fun gameplay and a story that hooks me then I love the so-called "movie games".
But I do have to say XsX next gen music video games are even better.
Yeah, as I mentioned before, Horizon is my GOTG. It's not just the story and characters -- the combat and the environments are also fantastic, and that's a big part of why I'm coming back over and over. I enjoy hanging out with Aloy, too. I just think she's a neat character. I was tired of all the unemotional tough guy male heros (I'm sounding a little like the IGN guy about "another stoic white male protagonist," I suppose, but it's not a "white male" thing, it's more a lack of interesting personality thing). Aloy felt like a breath of fresh air. She had a great story of discovering who she was, and that was wrapped up inside what the world was. Her voice actress (Ashly Burch) did a fantastic job, too. The animators did great work as well; she was a pleasure to move. Thankfully, Horizon was made before the whole "strong independent female lead" thing became a trend and people (well me anyhow) got tired of it.
I really enjoyed TLoU's story and characters. I waited a long time before I played it, so I'd heard all the hype. I was prepared to be underwhelmed, since I often am underwhelmed by games that get a lot of hype. But it really was a class act all the way, very well done.
I'm less optimistic about TLoU2, which seems to focus on revenge and violence, themes that don't interest me. It's got a little of the woke/SJW vibe, too, which I don't like. I'll probably play it anyhow, though, just because I admired the first game and respect Naughty Dog's work. I agree that UC4 fell flat, though; I didn't like how they turned it into a family drama.
I agree about Hellblade having a great character and story. Senua and Kiryu (from Yakuza 0) were my two favorite characters from 2016. My career was in mental health, so I was really interested to see a character with trauma and schizophrenia being portrayed in/through a videogame. The way they approached it was fascinating. I really came to feel for and admire Senua.
I tried Quantum Break but couldn't really get into it, for some reason. It had a lot of live TV scenes in it, and that was a turn-off for me. I don't watch normal TV shows, and I don't want them in my videogames (don't get peanut butter in my chocolate). I didn't give it a lot of time, though, tbh, so I'm probably not in a great position to judge the game.
I'm with you on Mass Effect. I wish Bioware hadn't lost their mojo.
Anyhow, long live good story-driven games, no matter who produces them.
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Bruno_Arrais85
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PS5 of course. If you have a half-decent PC, you don't need the Xbox.
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
I wish I could like each individual sentence since I agree with & relate to each individual thing you said, even to a certain extent Quantum Break. I didn't play it until well after release because the TV thing turned me off but I actually liked the TV parts when I finally played it. QB is a very different style of game and it's divisive. It seems people either love it or hate it and it seems more people hated it. My tastes rarely line up with the majority when it comes to games.
I played QB right before HZD and they are tied for my GOTG. While the 2 games are incredibly different gameplay, genre, protagonist etc., I had the same underlying feeling and immersion from both of them. The sadness, desolation and sense of impending doom was palpable in both games although HZD it wasn't what was happening in the present, it was what was presented in data pads & holographs all in reference to the previous end of the world destruction. But I got same underlying feelings from both games. I truly love a game that is not only fun to play but can also elicit a deep emotional feeling. Hellblade, Halo Reach & Halo 4 were able to do that for me as well. I still cry when I play Reach.
Agree with your TLoU and TLoU 2 takes. HZD & TLoU were what convinced me to try Play Station for the 1st time, and while I didn't like TLoU nearly as much as HZD it was my 2nd favorite PS4 game. The E3 2018 reveal for TLoU2 is what made me decide to trade-in my PS4 on the X.
I've lost all interest in anything Naughty Dog,. UC4 pissed me off. They took one of the best characters in video games and turned him into a dumb pussy scared of his wife and stupid enough to fall for all his sleazy brothers schemes, plus all the family stuff bored the hell out of me. It was a horrible send off for Nate.
So since I agree with so much of what you've said and since you also love Aloy, maybe you are the one person that would agree with me on this. I LOVE the facial animations in HZD. The faces especially the eyes convey so much depth and emotion. I am not really a fan of children but I even adored little Aloy when she was scrambling through that cave. Her face was so cute and her expressions and eyes just melted my cold bitchy heart. Are you going to tell me I'm crazy too, that the facial animations in HZD are terrible or did you think they were maybe pretty good?
fran.fernandez
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this thread alone have more people buying XBOX than all Japan right now. lols
Hobbygaming
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He said Horizon Zero Dawn would be announced for PC at the game awards this year Lmao
Oddvintagechap
Member
thats what i said yes.
RE2_Apocalypse
Banned
PS5. Even though I like the design of the XSX to be honest. Hopefully the PS5 will have a cool one.
CuteFaceJay
Member
Xbox BAYBEEEEE!
It's like the Dreamcast but better!
It's like the Dreamcast but better!
Ascend
Member
Actually, he said Horizon Zero Dawn will see a PC release in February 2020. The Game Awards announcement was speculation. Whether he himself said the game awards thing or not, everyone was saying that we may see an announcement at the game awards, not that we will. There is a reason he is considered a reliable leaker. He correctly predicted the PC release of Death Stranding after all... Among other things.
And even if he was wrong on this one... So what? But I guess if a reliable batter strikes out one time, he's no longer a reliable batter to some people...
Humdinger
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I'll have to check out Halo 4 and Reach, if/when I get an Xbox. I've never played them. Didn't realize they had good stories. I'll have to give Quantum Break another shot, too. I like what you said about the emotional atmosphere in the games.
Re. Horizon's facial animations.... When I played through the game the first time, I was so absorbed in the story and action that I didn't notice anything "off." I should mention that I'm normally pretty impervious to minor technical imperfections relating to stuff like that -- if I'm into a game, I just don't notice it.
Afterwards, though, I was talking with other gamers, and one of them repeatedly emphasized that the game had poor facial animations and lip synching. This was a guy who tends to focus a lot on what I consider the minutae of gaming, the technical aspects of presentation and resolution and so forth. Because he repeatedly pointed this out, I couldn't help but notice those aspects on my second playthrough. It's one of the great things (ha) about gaming forums -- you get other people drawing attention to minor flaws in a game, so that you can't help but notice them.
So yeah, on my second run through, I saw that, yes, it's true, the facial animation and lip synching could use some work. The faces sometimes don't quite express the emotion being felt, or the lip synching is a bit off. You can see the difference in the expansion, Frozen Wilds. They are much improved there.
Overall, it was a minor issue and nothing that detracted from my experience of the game. I figure if something like that is the big criticism of your game, you're doing pretty good. I didn't even notice it until it was repeatedly pointed out, and even then, I quickly stopped noticing it.
I'm looking forward to seeing what they can do with the sequel. Geurilla did some magic with Horizon and PS4 Pro. It's one of the most beautiful games I've ever played.
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Little Chicken
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I platinumed H:ZD but found some of the game a little lacking. Some of the side quests were more memorable than most of the main story for me and I didn't find Aloy particularly engaging.
Story really ramped up near the end, though, and the combat was fun once you've levelled up your skills a bit.
Story really ramped up near the end, though, and the combat was fun once you've levelled up your skills a bit.
iHaunter
Member
Nintendo has by far the weakest game line-ups for me. It's the same games over and over for 20 years. BOTW was nice and I liked Pokemon Sword. I haven't bothered to buy anything else for it yet.
Humdinger
Member
That's probably about all the votes that are coming in. To sum up, of 638 voters:
63.5% (408) are getting a PS5 alone.
16.9% (108) are getting an XSX alone.
19.6% (125) are getting both.
Which means:
83.1% (530) are getting a PS5
35.5% (233) are getting an XSX
That's a 2.3 to 1 ratio in favor of PS5, which is pretty close to the global sales ratio.
Thanks for playing. It'll be interesting to see how people feel once both consoles are fully revealed.
p.s. One indication that GAF is growing nicely is that this poll got nearly three times as many people voting as a console ownership poll last year.
63.5% (408) are getting a PS5 alone.
16.9% (108) are getting an XSX alone.
19.6% (125) are getting both.
Which means:
83.1% (530) are getting a PS5
35.5% (233) are getting an XSX
That's a 2.3 to 1 ratio in favor of PS5, which is pretty close to the global sales ratio.
Thanks for playing. It'll be interesting to see how people feel once both consoles are fully revealed.
p.s. One indication that GAF is growing nicely is that this poll got nearly three times as many people voting as a console ownership poll last year.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
so you're saying Gaf is a good microcosm of the world and that we can decide what the entire world thinks of anything based on polls here, right?
TheContact
Member
Too early to tell. I’m praying ps5 has full backwards compatibility like the xbx does
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