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[Beer Monkey]

Seems to be some debate about whether the jurisdiction decision is final?

 

[Psychotext]

lol, that's hilarious given the "evidence".

 

[Zoe]

Ouch, she granted the TRO AND the impoundment.

I wonder what tipped the balance with regards to jurisdiction.

 

[N.A]

What amazes me is one of the main reason the order was granted is that the judge thinks this will stop the spread of information. Good luck with that!

 

[Beer Monkey]

lol, that's hilarious given the "evidence".

We live in corporatocracy and all branches of government reflect this, sadly.

 

[linkboy]

Ouch, she granted the TRO AND the impoundment.

I wonder what tipped the balance with regards to jurisdiction.

Sony probably slipped some money into an offshore account in the Phillipines.

 

[squatingyeti]

They told the judge they would create an epic movie drama about this great courtroom battle and the judge's key roll and insight into striking down terrible pirates that are destroying the world.

 

[Diablohead]

lol, that's hilarious given the "evidence".

Judge computer noob confirmed

 

[Metalmurphy]

Sony probably slipped some money into an offshore account in the Phillipines.

Not enough facepalms in the world.

 

[jcm]

And when you find yourself saying that about an argument that circulates around "He was soliciting money in this state because we sent some unsolicited money to his account" and "This PSN account that matches none of his details but has a name similar to his proves he agreed to let us sue his ass off here" you know it's really weak.

Those are really weak. What the judge actually used was the "effects doctrine", which apparently means the because Sony is the injured party, and they are in California, California has jurisdiction. The appeal of the case the judge cited is here, and has a good discussion of the reasoning.

 

[BoboBrazil]

What amazes me is one of the main reason the order was granted is that the judge thinks this will stop the spread of information. Good luck with that!

I knew shit like this would happen. Some old judge in a courthouse has no clue about anything technology related. It is bullshit and nothing he did was against the law. Sony basically threw shit at a wall and it stuck.

 

[Neuromancer]

Temporary Restraining Order Issued in Sony vs. Geohot

The judge has granted Sony's request for a TRO (Temporary Restraining Order) in the case against Geohot (George Hotz) and the other named defendants. It has also been ruled that Sony has shown sufficient cause to keep the case in San Francisco.

http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/temporary-restraining-order-issued-sony-vs-geohot-78810/

Gotta love the American legal system & the DMCA :'(

I'm no legal expert but this doesn't mean they're going to win or anything, just a temporary inconvenience for Geohot really. I wouldn't consider it a lost cause yet.

 

[Zoe]

I knew shit like this would happen. Some old judge in a courthouse has no clue about anything technology related. It is bullshit and nothing he did was against the law. Sony basically threw shit at a wall and it stuck.

Very few have the notoriety that geohot has. They can't stop those who are determined, but they can make it harder for the general public.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

Temporary Restraining Order Issued in Sony vs. Geohot

The judge has granted Sony's request for a TRO (Temporary Restraining Order) in the case against Geohot (George Hotz) and the other named defendants. It has also been ruled that Sony has shown sufficient cause to keep the case in San Francisco.

http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/temporary-restraining-order-issued-sony-vs-geohot-78810/

Gotta love the American legal system & the DMCA :'(

Nice

What amazes me is one of the main reason the order was granted is that the judge thinks this will stop the spread of information. Good luck with that!

Well it's punishment of some kind. Could give others a reason to not spread security exploits on the net. Should have kept it to himself then he'd really be doing what he want with his PS3 without a big legal drama behind it.

 

[kitch9]

I knew shit like this would happen. Some old judge in a courthouse has no clue about anything technology related. It is bullshit and nothing he did was against the law. Sony basically threw shit at a wall and it stuck.

Uhmmm, thats for the judge to decide..... That's why they are called a judge as they judge on stuff....

 

[BoboBrazil]

Uhmmm, thats for the judge to decide..... That's why they are called a judge as they judge on stuff....

Have you seen the evidence Sony used to get this in California? Just because she is a judge does not mean she has a clear understanding of the evidence used in this case or what any of technology referenced does. She is pretty much just taking whatever Sony says as truth.

 

[Afrikan]

Have you seen the evidence Sony used to get this in California? Just because she is a judge does not mean she has a clear understanding of the evidence used in this case or what any of technology referenced does. She is pretty much just taking whatever Sony says as truth.

maybe she needs to used "imo" more often.

 

[spwolf]

Have you seen the evidence Sony used to get this in California? Just because she is a judge does not mean she has a clear understanding of the evidence used in this case or what any of technology referenced does. She is pretty much just taking whatever Sony says as truth.

this is how legal system works... geohot better wake up and stops reading stupid comments on internet that tell him there is nothing they can do to him.

money rules this world, and he just made someone lose a lot of it.

 

[CozMick]

Nice to see the US Justice system doing its job correctly.



Love it!

 

[Zoe]

money rules this world, and he just made someone lose a lot of it.

Himself, thanks to that order of impoundment.

 

[squatingyeti]

Nice



Well it's punishment of some kind. Could give others a reason to not spread security exploits on the net. Should have kept it to himself then he'd really be doing what he want with his PS3 without a big legal drama behind it.

Are you happy for the TRO? It sounds like you believe he should be punished for exercising his consumer rights. Serves you right geohot! My gosh, doing something with a product you own. Ought to be ashamed...and punished.

I may be misunderstanding you, but there are really people that feel this way.

 

[BoboBrazil]

this is how legal system works... geohot better wake up and stops reading stupid comments on internet that tell him there is nothing they can do to him.

money rules this world, and he just made someone lose a lot of it.

The only money lost so far is the $10,000 bond Sony put up for this case and the money paid to their attorneys, which I'm sure are getting paid upwards of $2,500/hr for handling this case lol.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

Who's that person in the homebrew scene or whatever that does stuff but don't release it, then when someone else do it he lets people know he already did that (Guy X)? That is how Geohot should have been. Guy X is all safe.

 

[test_account]

Have you seen the evidence Sony used to get this in California? Just because she is a judge does not mean she has a clear understanding of the evidence used in this case or what any of technology referenced does. She is pretty much just taking whatever Sony says as truth.

Do we know what reason(s) the judge decided to accept the TRO?

 

[CozMick]

Are you happy for the TRO? It sounds like you believe he should be punished for exercising his consumer rights. Serves you right geohot! My gosh, doing something with a product you own. Ought to be ashamed...and punished.

I may be misunderstanding you, but there are really people that feel this way.

And I'm vocally one of them.

The shit that this guy has caused me indirectly makes him public enemy in my eyes.

I have to browse the net before I purchase a game to see if it's hack ridden, partially thanks to this guy.

And I bet there are more glorious online mp days ahead...............sigh!

CFW for the mother fucking win!

 

[BoboBrazil]

Do we know what reason(s) the judge decided to accept the TRO?

The judge found that the plaintiff aka Sony, is" likely to suffer irrepairable harm without the presense of this temporary restraining order". Yet she doesn't understand that what he did did not allow piracy, and is still public information posted all over the internet making this useless. Apparently also a fake psn account and a paypal donation Sony sent to his limera1n donation paypal account warrants the case be held in California. Also, apparently she found that this is in the best interest of the public...why? I have no idea.

 

[Zoe]

Apparently also a fake psn account and a paypal donation Sony sent to his limera1n donation paypal account warrants the case be held in California.

Those are really weak. What the judge actually used was the "effects doctrine", which apparently means the because Sony is the injured party, and they are in California, California has jurisdiction. The appeal of the case the judge cited is here, and has a good discussion of the reasoning.

.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

So the $1 donation was a darn smart move? Chess game on!

 

[Lince]

I hope that stupid Geohot gets ass-raped in jail with all his friends, I can't see Linux mentioned once in the "homebrew" thread here or anywhere else in the Internet, the exploits only brought "backups" (lol) and emulators talk. I didn't know so many people with arcade boards at home, I mean they're really expensive and the method/device used to dump the roms is not common place at all...

 

[squatingyeti]

And I'm vocally one of them.

The shit that this guy has caused me indirectly makes him public enemy in my eyes.

I have to browse the net before I purchase a game to see if it's hack ridden, partially thanks to this guy.

And I bet there are more glorious online mp days ahead...............sigh!

CFW for the mother fucking win!

Seriously, I love how people will surrender their consumer rights because of something so trivial that some OTHER douchebag did. If you have CFW, Sony has every right, and should ban you from PSN. BTW, people need to get this through their head, MW2 was hacked BEFORE the jailbreak or CFW.

 

[test_account]

The judge found that the plaintiff aka Sony, is" likely to suffer irrepairable harm without the presense of this temporary restraining order". Yet she doesn't understand that what he did did not allow piracy, and is still public information posted all over the internet making this useless. Apparently also a fake psn account and a paypal donation Sony sent to his limera1n donation paypal account warrants the case be held in California. Also, apparently she found that this is in the best interest of the public...why? I have no idea.

Ok, i see, thanks for the info Well, even if his CFW didnt allow piracy, he did post the PS3 decryption keys publically online, which can easily lead to piracy and abuse (i'm pretty sure that Geohot knew this as well), so i dont think that this is a totally moot point. But i agree that it wont really do much good in the big picture now that the PS3 keys are "everywhere" on the internet.

Was the fake PSN account confirmed by the way?

Seriously, I love how people will surrender their consumer rights because of something so trivial that some OTHER douchebag did. If you have CFW, Sony has every right, and should ban you from PSN. BTW, people need to get this through their head, MW2 was hacked BEFORE the jailbreak or CFW.

Out of curiousity, who is surrendering their consumer rights here? And in what way are they doing this?

 

[squatingyeti]

I hope that stupid Geohot gets ass-raped in jail with all his friends, I can't see Linux mentioned once in the "homebrew" thread here or anywhere else in the Internet, the exploits only brought "backups" (lol) and emulators talk. I didn't know so many people with arcade boards at home, I mean they're really expensive and the method/device used to dump the roms is not common place at all...

wow, first you start nonsense in the CFW thread, now anywhere else. You think homebrew is just going to magically appear so quickly? How quick do you think it is to code something like XBMC for PS3? You can't see Linux get mentioned because you're too busy insinuating everyone is a pirate. Enough already.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

Seriously, I love how people will surrender their consumer rights because of something so trivial that some OTHER douchebag did. If you have CFW, Sony has every right, and should ban you from PSN. BTW, people need to get this through their head, MW2 was hacked BEFORE the jailbreak or CFW.

Not surrendering it, just preventing them from being taken by thousands of other people. If it was just Geohot in his own area keeping the exploits to himself I doubt anyone would have a prob with it, even sony. But people like him may compromise PSN for customers.

 

[-PXG-]

Sony probably slipped some money into an offshore account in the Phillipines.

And child prostitutes. Don't forget them either.

 

[Beer Monkey]

I hope that stupid Geohot gets ass-raped in jail with all his friends

Do you know the difference between being sued and being charged for a crime?

I hope you get assraped in ignorance jail.

Do you know that a disgruntled Sony employee is who made all this possible?

 

[squatingyeti]

Ok, i see, thanks for the info Well, even if his CFW didnt allow piracy, he did post the PS3 decryption keys publically online, which can easily lead to piracy and abuse (i'm pretty sure that Geohot knew this as well), so i dont think that this is a totally moot point. But i agree that it wont really do much good in the big picture now that the PS3 keys are "everywhere" on the internet.

It can lead to that, just like jailbreaking an iPhone could. In the end, it is your device and if YOU do something illegal, YOU should be held responsible.

Out of curiousity, who is surrendering their consumer rights here? And in what way are they doing this?

Many of the people wishing pain and suffering on geohot and the CFW scene have already stated they would have no problem with Sony bricking consoles or instituting any other draconian anti-consumer action. Thus, willing to surrender consumer rights.

 

[Lince]

wow, first you start nonsense in the CFW thread, now anywhere else. You think homebrew is just going to magically appear so quickly? How quick do you think it is to code something like XBMC for PS3? You can't see Linux get mentioned because you're too busy insinuating everyone is a pirate. Enough already.

I bolded that part since that's a lie, I quoted two posts there since they were so blatant (a guy downloading PSP games and this other guy who couldn't afford a PS3 but was playing arcade ROMs left and right). Sorry but that's not legal and should be discussed out of GAF.

and yes backup tools and emulators have appeared incredibly quickly yet we don't have any hints regarding Linux coming back, are you refuting me that? you mad with 3.56?
Enough already.

Do you know the difference between being sued and being charged for a crime?

I hope you get assraped in ignorance jail.

Do you know that a disgruntled Sony employee is who made all this possible?

yep I know, I still want them in jail anyway. Scum like that shouldn't walk the streets, it's all for the good of the gaming industry, shouldn't we be glad? same for the Sony employee if he happened to trigger this all.

ignorance? lol, just common sense and love for the industry, people lose jobs over piracy did you know that? maybe you're too busy figuring out how to go online with 3.56 out.

great news by the way, justice should be served.

 

[BoboBrazil]

Ok, i see, thanks for the info Well, even if his CFW didnt allow piracy, he did post the PS3 decryption keys publically online, which can easily lead to piracy and abuse (i'm pretty sure that Geohot knew this as well), so i dont think that this is a totally moot point. But i agree that it wont really do much good in the big picture now that the PS3 keys are "everywhere" on the internet.

Was the fake PSN account confirmed by the way?



Out of curiousity, who is surrendering their consumer rights here? And in what way are they doing this?

The PSN account looked fake. I don't think it was ever revealed if it actually came from his ip address or not. Also, re the article above regarding an effects doctrine, what harm did what he do actually cause Sony? For it to be enforced, it was supposed to cause irrepairable damage to Sony. Nothing he did caused irrepairable damage to Sony. What others did with the information he gave out might due to piracy. That is like a bartender serving a beer to someone and then they go kill someone due to drunk driving. Should the bartender be held responsible?

 

[Sophia]

I have to browse the net before I purchase a game to see if it's hack ridden, partially thanks to this guy.

And I bet there are more glorious online mp days ahead...............sigh!

You do realize that these games were hack ridden long before Geohot released his hack to the scene, right? Modern Warfare 2 was broken from day one, on all platforms. Uncharted 2 had several hacks and glitches too.

 

[Zoe]

That is like a bartender serving a beer to someone and then they go kill someone due to drunk driving. Should the bartender be held responsible?

Uh, yes, in some cases the bar/restaurant is held to a degree of responsibility.

 

[linkboy]

I bolded that part since that's a lie, I quoted two posts there since they were so blatant (a guy downloading PSP games and this other guy who couldn't afford a PS3 but was playing arcade ROMs left and right). Sorry but that's not legal and should be discussed out of GAF.

and yes backup tools and emulators have appeared incredibly quickly yet we don't have any hints regarding Linux coming back, are you refuting me that? you mad with 3.56?
Enough already.

great news by the way, justice should be served.

The backup loaders and emulators appeared because of

A) They were already avaible due to the Dongle exploit, which was released by a Sony employee, not Geohot.

B) The source codes for emulators are readily available. Snes9x's source code has been public for years. Its been ported to pretty much everything that has a CPU, storage and a screen.

Now stop shitting up threads. Create a new one if you want to bitch about this or use this one which was created just for what you're complaining about

 

[Ploid 3.0]

The PSN account looked fake. I don't think it was ever revealed if it actually came from his ip address or not. Also, re the article above regarding an effects doctrine, what harm did what he do actually cause Sony? For it to be enforced, it was supposed to cause irrepairable damage to Sony. Nothing he did caused irrepairable damage to Sony. What others did with the information he gave out might due to piracy. That is like a bartender serving a beer to someone and then they go kill someone due to drunk driving. Should the bartender be held responsible?

Should people who drink then drive, or drink while they drive be arrested because of a few bad apples that cause accidents while they are drunk? Studies have proven that being sleepy while driving is like being drunk at the wheel, should we crack down on sleepy drivers too?

Reason for post: Analogies am fun.

 

[squatingyeti]

I bolded that part since that's a lie, I quoted two posts there since they were so blatant (a guy downloading PSP games and this other guy who couldn't afford a PS3 but was playing arcade ROMs left and right). Sorry but that's not legal and should be discussed out of GAF.

You said: "'Backups' (lol)" Quotation marks around backups and even the extra lol to get your point across. Stop with your insinuation that everyone is a pirate using CFW.

and yes backup tools and emulators have appeared incredibly quickly yet we don't have any hints regarding Linux coming back, are you refuting me that? you mad with 3.56?
Enough already.

Because you have now displayed absolutely NO clue in the complexities involved. YES XBMC has been discussed. YES, linux has been discussed. I would LOVE XBMC on my PS3, but it is nowhere near as simple as porting an emulator or quickly throwing together a BM.

great news by the way, justice should be served.

Yes, when they go to court, hopefully justice will be served in a similar fashion as the iPhone justice. Are you also against that?

 

[Lince]

You said: "'Backups' (lol)" Quotation marks around backups and even the extra lol to get your point across. Stop with your insinuation that everyone is a pirate using CFW.

no, you're seeing what you want to see, that comment was aimed to those users blatantly making clear they were using CFW for piracy, not for all CFW users, stop trying to get me banned or something with the rhetoric bs. I understand you're butt-hurt but please, leave it at that.

Create a new one if you want to bitch about this or use this one which was created just for what you're complaining about

first of all I'm not bitching but expressing my opinion, and I'm being attacked/insulted for that, that's unfair (it's 2011 people) everyone is entitled to an opinion, so my Geohot comment is a banable offense now? why? and the thread you mentioned is not for the matter at hand, is for CFW users which obviously I'm not supporting, ever. I didn't know people so sensitive here with my personal opinion on Geohot and his friends and what they brought to the table, wow you really love playing Dragon's Lair NES on your PS3's. Carry on with the thread and stop derailing it, it was just my personal opinion on the news FFS.

 

[test_account]

It can lead to that, just like jailbreaking an iPhone could. In the end, it is your device and if YOU do something illegal, YOU should be held responsible.

It depends on the situation in my opinion. TPB (The Pirate Bay) has been convicted 2 times for piracy related things eventhough that they never shared any pirated materials themself. But still they got convicted because they should have known that their site would lead to much piracy.

Honestly though, i dont think that this is exactly the same case with Geohot, because i dont think that his intention was to enable piracy (in TPB case there was little doubt that their intentions was to make it easier to download pirated material). But i think that there is an interesting question if someone should be held somewhat responsible when they post stuff like decryption keys online if this can lead to piracy and/or abuse.

Many of the people wishing pain and suffering on geohot and the CFW scene have already stated they would have no problem with Sony bricking consoles or instituting any other draconian anti-consumer action. Thus, willing to surrender consumer rights.

Ok, i understand what you mean. But i dont think that people are necessarily giving up their consumers rights because of this. I think that most of the anger against CFW are about potential online cheating, not towards people who use CFW for legitmate things But i think that it is more about having understanding about what Sony did. I can have understanding for why Sony doesn't want CFW to happened (because it can lead to piracy etc.), but i dont give up my consumer rights because of this

EDIT: I added some text.

 

[linkboy]

first of all I'm not bitching but expressing my opinion, and I'm being attacked/insulted for that, that's unfair (it's 2011 people) everyone is entitled to an opinion, so my Geohot comment is a banable offense now? why? and the thread you mentioned is not for the matter at hand, is for CFW users which obviously I'm not supporting, ever. I didn't know people so sensitive here with my personal opinion on Geohot and his friends and what they brought to the table, wow you really love playing Dragon's Lair NES on your PS3's. Carry on with the thread and stop derailing it, it was just my personal opinion on the news FFS.

You're insuitating that the only reason people are installing CFW on their PS3 is to pirate games, that gets a ban on this board.

This is a direct quote from you

I hope that stupid Geohot gets ass-raped in jail with all his friends, I can't see Linux mentioned once in the "homebrew" thread here or anywhere else in the Internet, the exploits only brought "backups" (lol) and emulators talk. I didn't know so many people with arcade boards at home, I mean they're really expensive and the method/device used to dump the roms is not common place at all...

Yea, because this is really talking about the case at hand.

Let's break it down, shall we.

First off, you hope Geohot gets ass-raped in jail, when he won't go to jail because this is a civil case, not a criminal case. Meaning, if Sony wins, they will get money as a result of the damages from Geohot.

Next you talk about how the exploits only brought "backup" and emulators (indirectly accusing people of pirating games.

Tell me again you weren't derailing the thread.

 

[Metalmurphy]

You said: "'Backups' (lol)" Quotation marks around backups and even the extra lol to get your point across. Stop with your insinuation that everyone is a pirate using CFW.

Because you have now displayed absolutely NO clue in the complexities involved. YES XBMC has been discussed. YES, linux has been discussed. I would LOVE XBMC on my PS3, but it is nowhere near as simple as porting an emulator or quickly throwing together a BM.

Yes, when they go to court, hopefully justice will be served in a similar fashion as the iPhone justice. Are you also against that?

Stop freaking mentioning the iPhone. This isn't an iPhone. It was already said that because of this shit people will have read/write access to the memory on the fly. Do you have ANY idea how much of a cluster fuck online gaming will be once someone releases an app like CWcheat?

Yes he can do whatever he wants with his device, no the keys shouldn't have been released, and neither should all the apps that people wrote. That's no longer doing what YOU want with the device. Sony should do whatever it takes to stop this.

 

[test_account]

The PSN account looked fake. I don't think it was ever revealed if it actually came from his ip address or not.

Ah ok, i see.

Also, re the article above regarding an effects doctrine, what harm did what he do actually cause Sony? For it to be enforced, it was supposed to cause irrepairable damage to Sony. Nothing he did caused irrepairable damage to Sony. What others did with the information he gave out might due to piracy.

If Sony cant patch up the security because of the PS3 decryption keys were posted publically online, and if this leads to that it is impossible to prevent piracy, then this is kind of irrepairable damage in my opinion. It is not sure that PS3 piracy will have a big effect on Sony's income though.

That is like a bartender serving a beer to someone and then they go kill someone due to drunk driving. Should the bartender be held responsible?

It depends on the situation i think. If the bartender knows that the guy was going to drive home, but still keep on serving the person and does nothing to stop him/her from driving home, then i think that the bartender might be held somewhat responsible.

 

[Slightly Live]

I hope that stupid Geohot gets ass-raped in jail with all his friends

You hope this guy gets anally raped? Nice.

 

[jcm]

The PSN account looked fake. I don't think it was ever revealed if it actually came from his ip address or not. Also, re the article above regarding an effects doctrine, what harm did what he do actually cause Sony? For it to be enforced, it was supposed to cause irrepairable damage to Sony. Nothing he did caused irrepairable damage to Sony. What others did with the information he gave out might due to piracy.

He circumvented a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under the DMCA. In the US, that's illegal.

That is like a bartender serving a beer to someone and then they go kill someone due to drunk driving. Should the bartender be held responsible?

That's a lousy analogy, but in some states the bartender can in fact be held responsible. They're called Dram Shop laws.