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[sonomamashine]

Last month's PlayStation 5 leak, which revealed a 9.2 Teraflops figure for the console, may not be accurate.

On the ResetEra forums, Kleegamefan, who has been providing information on the next-generation consoles in the past few months, revealed that his information regarding the PlayStation 5 specs doesn't match the GitHub Oberon leak discovered last month.

Well, can you confirm that what you know of specs do not match the GitHub Oberon leak?
No. They do not match.

The GitHub leak, which also revealed information on the Xbox Series X, is probably the most reliable leak seen in the past six months, considering it has been verified by many, including Digital Foundry. As both Sony and Microsoft have yet to talk about specs, we have to take every leak with a grain of salt.

Back in November, Kleegamefan talked about the two console's performance, highlighting how the PlayStation 5 was slightly ahead of the Xbox Series X. The gap, however, was likely due to the PS5 devkit and development software to be in a more advanced state.

Right now, game performance is better on PS5. I believe that is probably because PS5 development hardware and software are in a more advanced state. I fully expect Scarlett to close that gap once they ship more mature dev kits and software.
It must be said, since software, not hardware, is a traditional Microsoft area of expertise, it's very possible that they could ultimately deliver more advanced DirectX development software, in the end, allowing games to run better on Scarlett even if the hardware is less capable.

PlayStation 5 9.2 Teraflops Leaked Figure May Not Be Accurate, Insider Suggests - Rumor

The PlayStation 5 Oberon leak, which suggested the console's 9.2 TF, may not be accurate, as an insider has different information on the specs

wccftech.com

Xbox Series X APU is 420mm according to Adoredtv.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Might not be accurate. What a fucking surprise!

 

[GenericUser]

Sony is back!

 

[Stuart360]

8tf confrimed?

 

[Bryank75]

Yeah, we have more insiders here and they all say the same thing... PS5 is about the same power as XSX.

I really want to see all these rollbacks from these sites.

 

[bhunachicken]

As I understand it, Kleegamefan is a (very well liked) former gaming journalist who still has links to many in the gaming industry. His word is generally trusted.

He did in the past, however, state that the PS5 was marginally more powerful than the Xbox Series X.

 

[ethomaz]

Shocked.

When you base your article claim in fake news that is what happens.

 

[makaveli60]

Getting tired of these rumors... Just announce it already. I hope both consoles are over 10TF at least and then I'm okay. Also, get rid of Lockhart.

 

[R600]

Klee saying "I am verified but my information is not" puts things in perspective.

For all people calling me out on NG threat, I am banned. Couldnt reply.

E0 stepping of Oberon only means that in June there was in fact Oberon B0 chip for PS5 and had 36CUs. Never heard of chip going through steppings to change complete physicall characteristics in chip (ie more CUs). Its almost certain now that chip is in fact 36CU.

From B3D

Volume CPUs tend to have multiple steppings throughout their lifespan, perhaps to make incremental improvements to some manufacturing issue or to fix errata. This makes more sense with a product that's already in volume production, as small improvements can add up over many units, but these later steppings also coincide with the overall maturation of the manufacturing process and refinement of the platform and firmware.
That's giving too much emphasis on what should be an minor update to a chip, and one where there would be diminishing returns as any readily isolated problems would be found and fixed relatively quickly.

A chip climbing into high stepping counts before its release-viable is not considered a good sign, versus a chip that has multiple acceptable steppings over a healthy production run.
Many steppings prior to finding a viable chip is usually a sign of flaws that are being patched as best as possible with layer changes, which is what respins are best used for.
If it's because they're trying to get even higher than what's considered generally acceptable clocks, steppings are usually not as effective a remedy, and generally a sign that there were early design decisions made that have not meshed with the eventual reality.
An example of a substantial improvement would be with the Thoroughbred Athlon cores, which had different CPU revisions in order to get fundamental layout and implementation changes needed for improved clocks.

Baseless Next Generation Rumors with no Technical Merits [post E3 2019, pre GDC 2020] [XBSX, PS5]

But we don't have that in Github leak. There is no article, its pure data dump from Oberon B0 regression test, a chip we know was almost certainly designed for next gen Playstation. It contains 3 modes : GEN0 - 0.8GHz 176GB/s 18CUs GEN1 - 0.911GHz 217,6GB/s 36CUs GEN2 - 2.0GHZ 530GB/s 36CUs...

forum.beyond3d.com

Cheers.

 

[FranXico]

But Richard made a video about the GitHub leaks! He bet his outstanding reputation on it!

He said it looked very accurate (except for the fact that we had no context for them)!

 

[R600]

As I understand it, Kleegamefan is a (very well liked) former gaming journalist who still has links to many in the gaming industry. His word is generally trusted.

He did in the past, however, state that the PS5 was marginally more powerful than the Xbox Series X.

He said 2 things.

1. People will be disappointed by next gen specs (August 2019)
2. Lockhart does not exist (last month)
Both of these can be checked for credibility.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

But Sony didn't immediately say the 9.2TF rumor is false even though the negative news has gone widespread. Therefore, they must be hiding the fact that the PS5 is less powerful than the XSX by almost 3TF!

 

[ethomaz]

Klee saying "I am verified but my information is not" puts things in perspective.

For all people calling me out on NG threat, I am banned. Couldnt reply.

E0 stepping of Oberon only means that in June there was in fact Oberon B0 chip for PS5 and had 36CUs. Never heard of chip going through steppings to change complete physicall characteristics in chip (ie more CUs). Its almost certain now that chip is in fact 36CU.

Cheers.

Phenom X4 to Phenom X6 just the step changed (C3 to E0)... the later added 2 cores.

Any E0 has 6 cores... previous steps were 3 or 4 cores.

 

[Heinrich]

So, we can take his word? Why? Who is he? Does he have any PROOF for that? Or should just trust his word?

 

[Heinrich]

But Sony didn't immediately say the 9.2TF rumor is false even though the negative news has gone widespread. Therefore, they must be hiding the fact that the PS5 is less powerful than the XSX by almost 3TF!

Not really

they could also try to fool MS. Maybe they are even stronger than MS. Who knows? We will know this holiday at the latest

 

[bhunachicken]

1. People will be disappointed by next gen specs (August 2019)

I honestly think the ones who will be disappointed are those who will be expecting to get a 2080TI machine, with 24GB RAM, and 1TB SSD for under £500.

I fully expect PS5 to be the equivalent of a 5700XT, coupled with 16GB RAM.

 

[joe_zazen]

Drama...suspense... good times!

 

[Stuart360]

Not really

they could also try to fool MS. Maybe they are even stronger than MS. Who knows? We will know this holiday at the latest

I love how people dont think Sony and Microsoft know exctly what each other have console wise, especially when dev kits are out there. So not a single person from AMD or from a dev studio told Microsoft and Sony?, and thats not even taking into account standard business practices with new tech (hense why when something new tech wise releases, copy cat product from other companies come within months, or even weeks. Do you really think it only takes a few weeks to develop a new product? lol).

 

[Verdanth]

12TF baby! Let's go!

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Not really

they could also try to fool MS. Maybe they are even stronger than MS. Who knows? We will know this holiday at the latest

I'm specifically mocking this post:

Yeah, negative press is great for companies. It's great for their share prices, investors and the like. In fact companies just love to have 6 months of terrible untrue facts floating around about their product, just so they can say you were wrong.
They marketing and PR firms millions to a give the best possible roll out and narrative for their products. But yet are happy to have all this terrible press out there.
I can 1000% tell you that would not be how Sony would be thinking.

Much to his chagrin, Sony didn't have to put out the fire of the "terrible" press after all... likely because it wasn't all that terrible to begin with.

 

[DonF]

I will only be worried if one box is weaker but more expensive, like the xbox one was at release.

If there is a marginal power difference, but a big price difference, I won't have a problem.

Also, if there is retrocompatibility, I have a huge library that I will only be able to play on the next Playstation.

 

[R600]

Phenom X4 to Phenom X6 just the step changed (C3 to E0)... the later added 2 cores.

Any E0 has 6 cores... previous steps were 3 or 4 cores.

Receipt.

There are Phenom X4 CPUs with disabled cores, happens all the time (literally in every AMD GPU/CPU series).

Adding 20CUs to already huge monolothic chip 6 months before tapeout is absolutely unheard of.

Now, what could be a good explanation for this high stepping is a, surprise surprise, very high clocks. When they send chip for manufacturing they will wait for 12 weeks to get it back before they can bug test it, so think about how long 6 months is.

To make matters worse, V style dev kit went out in June, so right when Oberon was B0. Did Sony add 20CUs, new shader engine and bigger bus in next 5-6 months? Doubt it.

 

[NeoGiffer]

 

[Mista]

Another ITK? Great. Everyone knows that they aren’t accurate and all the specs that surfaced recently aren’t accurate too

Shall we be shocked? Okay, I’m so shocked!

 

[joe_zazen]

There are three feasible scenarios here:

• Cheap AF Sony will release a 36 CU 8 TF maximum console as you are not getting a 9.2 36 CU because 2+ghz is a no go go in a console. console chips will not be binned like 5700xt, so the power curve will be much worse than those numbers indicate.
• Sony will release a 2X36 CU 13 TF machine clocked between 1.6-1.7. dual is better for vr and you wont need a single giant chip to get competitive power.
• Sony has a secret chip similar to the expensive and massive xsx chip.

I go with number two because we have git hub leaks + BC patents + previous console design that uses ‘mirrored butterfly’ which requires a 36 CU chip for ps4 BC. I discount #1 because sony has made 30+ billion from ps4 and realises the competition is fierce. So while they cheaped out with ps4, they cannot with ps5. That and pachter’s $1000 comment makes sense with dual gpu + ssd + 24gb total memory.

 

[Dane]

Receipt.

There are Phenom X4 CPUs with disabled cores, happens all the time (literally in every AMD GPU/CPU series).

Adding 20CUs to already huge monolothic chip 6 months before tapeout is absolutely unheard of.

Now, what could be a good explanation for this high stepping is a, surprise surprise, very high clocks. When they send chip for manufacturing they will wait for 12 weeks to get it back before they can bug test it, so think about how long 6 months is.

To make matters worse, V style dev kit went out in June, so right when Oberon was B0. Did Sony add 20CUs, new shader engine and bigger bus in next 5-6 months? Doubt it.

Technically not impossible if... Sony has a plan B prototype. Which seems that would be the case with Xbox SEX before and after reveal.

 

[R600]

There are three feasible scenarios here:

• Cheap AF Sony will release a 36 CU 8 TF maximum console as you are not getting a 9.2 36 CU because 2+ghz is a no go go in a console. console chips will not be binned like 5700xt, so the power curve will be much worse than those numbers indicate.
• Sony will release a 2X36 CU 13 TF machine clocked between 1.6-1.7. dual is better for vr and you wont need a single giant chip to get competitive power.
• Sony has a secret chip similar to the expensive and massive xsx chip.

I go with number two because we have git hub leaks + BC patents + previous console design that uses ‘mirrored butterfly’ which requires a 36 CU chip for ps4 BC. I discount #1 because sony has made 30+ billion from ps4 and realises the competition is fierce. So while they cheaped out with ps4, they cannot with ps5. That and pachter’s $1000 comment makes sense with dual gpu + ssd + 24gb total memory.

Yea, number 2 is definitely not a big chip. Its just 2 x 5700XT inside (500mm²) + RT + CPU. 600mm², havent seen that since...ever actually not even PS3 had more then 500mm² for both, GPU and CPU.

 

[Nero_PR]

Just wait for the companies to reveal the specs. If someone really hard the information, both Sony and Microsoft would be forced to show their cards and their PR would go crazy trying to to control the situation. We are so close to the reveal of the consoles that it is not even worthy of speculation.

 

[stranno]

Blueprint for next-gen news.

[Rumor] INSERT YOUR TEXT XBOX Series X or Playstation 5.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

I agree with R R600 on the fact that it's probably still a 36CU (40CU actually but with four CUs disabled) chip. They can still hit above 10TF with 38CUs @ 2.1GHz or all 40CUs @ 2GHz. Both would give 10.21TF and 10.24 TF respectively.

But a dual 36CU design? Impractical, and would put the box quite well more expensive than what the XSX will end up being. Which would run opposite of Jim Ryan saying they want this to be the fastest adoption into next-gen PS as possible. Sony probably wants to avoid a $600-$700 behemoth in pricing.

There are three feasible scenarios here:

• Cheap AF Sony will release a 36 CU 8 TF maximum console as you are not getting a 9.2 36 CU because 2+ghz is a no go go in a console. console chips will not be binned like 5700xt, so the power curve will be much worse than those numbers indicate.
• Sony will release a 2X36 CU 13 TF machine clocked between 1.6-1.7. dual is better for vr and you wont need a single giant chip to get competitive power.
• Sony has a secret chip similar to the expensive and massive xsx chip.

I go with number two because we have git hub leaks + BC patents + previous console design that uses ‘mirrored butterfly’ which requires a 36 CU chip for ps4 BC. I discount #1 because sony has made 30+ billion from ps4 and realises the competition is fierce. So while they cheaped out with ps4, they cannot with ps5. That and pachter’s $1000 comment makes sense with dual gpu + ssd + 24gb total memory.

I personally don't take much of what Patcher says seriously. He's been wrong about lots of stuff in the past (to the point it was comical, like the complete opposite would happen), and he's also known to exaggerate things for the theatrics. Which is what it sounded like he was doing when talking about the PS5.

 

[sonomamashine]

Xbox series x calculation by Adoredtv is 420mm APU which is nuts

that would be an easy 64 CU console.
R R600 i don't think PS5 is less than 9,7TF (minimum), 36CU's i don't know about that one, it just doesn't make any sense compared the XsX, a 2 digit TF count is looking more realistic, 44CU's+ would make more sense for me.

 

[Nikana]

I agree with R R600 on the fact that it's probably still a 36CU (40CU actually but with four CUs disabled) chip. They can still hit above 10TF with 38CUs @ 2.1GHz or all 40CUs @ 2GHz. Both would give 10.21TF and 10.24 TF respectively.

But a dual 36CU design? Impractical, and would put the box quite well more expensive than what the XSX will end up being. Which would run opposite of Jim Ryan saying they want this to be the fastest adoption into next-gen PS as possible. Sony probably wants to avoid a $600-$700 behemoth in pricing.

I agree with this. While the higher clock will definitely crank up the power consumption and heat, it will make for a cheaper chip to make. Which is seems like to me Sony is aiming for $399.

 

[Fake]

 

[Stuart360]

I cant see how a console could push a chip at 2.0ghz, the heat would be immense. Are they using liquid nitrogen cooling or something? lol.

 

[joe_zazen]

Receipt.

There are Phenom X4 CPUs with disabled cores, happens all the time (literally in every AMD GPU/CPU series).

Adding 20CUs to already huge monolothic chip 6 months before tapeout is absolutely unheard of.

Now, what could be a good explanation for this high stepping is a, surprise surprise, very high clocks. When they send chip for manufacturing they will wait for 12 weeks to get it back before they can bug test it, so think about how long 6 months is.

To make matters worse, V style dev kit went out in June, so right when Oberon was B0. Did Sony add 20CUs, new shader engine and bigger bus in next 5-6 months? Doubt it.

the only thing that makes me think they may have scrapped the 36 CU part is the semiaccurate leak in early 2018 that had sony getting near final samples, and revving up to ship kits. It is possible they started to panic when seeing what MS was planning in early 2018, and threw out oberon.

Lets face it, a 36cu chip based on 5700 series tech in a console apu would be a maximum 8tf product. 8 vs 12/13 tf xsx is a massive difference. Sony does not have the IP of a nintendo to ensure sales, they have to have a competitive console. Yeah there are a few million who will buy it because they love kratos and ellie, but those people are not enough for a successful generation. The console itself has to be appealing and competitive.

so in this scenario, git hub data is old and sony has made a radical shift in strat. It is possible.

 

[sonomamashine]

I cant see how a console could push a chip at 2.0ghz, the heat would be immense. Are they using liquid nitrogen cooling or something? lol.

Might be a stress test performed on an old test chip.

 

[R600]

Xbox series x calculation by Adoredtv is 420mm APU which is nuts

that would be an easy 64 CU console.
R R600 i don't think PS5 is less than 9,7TF (minimum), 36CU's i don't know about that one, it just doesn't make any sense compared the XsX, a 2 digit TF count is looking more realistic, 44CU's+ would make more sense for me.

There is no need for 64CUs. Note that Navi 10 consists of 40CUs.

40CUs are 2 x 10WGPs (workgroup processors). 10WGPs have one shader engine and 32ROPs, so 64ROPs for 20WGPs.

What XSX seems to be going with is 60CUs (3 x 10WGPs) but with cut out ROPs in last cluster, as Arden has 64ROPs (and not 96).

This is why big Navi is rumored to be 80CU, and not 64 or 72CU part. This is why you will see 40/60/80CU GPUs, but not between (say 48/52)

Low end ones (24CUs for example) have one shader engine for 12WGPs instead of 10, which is better, but low end is not perf critical so they can have less SE per CU then performance chips.

 

[ethomaz]

Receipt.

There are Phenom X4 CPUs with disabled cores, happens all the time (literally in every AMD GPU/CPU series).

Adding 20CUs to already huge monolothic chip 6 months before tapeout is absolutely unheard of.

Now, what could be a good explanation for this high stepping is a, surprise surprise, very high clocks. When they send chip for manufacturing they will wait for 12 weeks to get it back before they can bug test it, so think about how long 6 months is.

To make matters worse, V style dev kit went out in June, so right when Oberon was B0. Did Sony add 20CUs, new shader engine and bigger bus in next 5-6 months? Doubt it.

There are two types of X4... based in C3 (full 4 cores enabled) and based in E0 (4 cores enabled and 2 disabled).

Phenon II X4 8 January 2009 (C2/C3 stepping): Four AMD K10 cores
Phenon II X3 9 February 2009 (C2/C3 stepping): Four AMD K10 cores (chip harvested with 1 core disabled)
Phenon II X2 1 June 2009 (C2/C3 stepping): Four AMD K10 cores (chip harvested with 2 cores disabled)
Phenon II X6 27 April 2010 (E0 stepping): Six AMD K10 cores
Athlon II X4 2011 (E0 stepping): Six AMD K10 cores (chip harvested with 2 cores disabled)

The step C2/C3 has 4 full cores... the step E0 has 6 full cores.

Even users in AnandTech forum knows the E0 has 6 full cores compared with C2/C3 with 4 full cores:

"Also, stick to C3 chips if you're buying a Phenom II. Actually, unless you're getting a sweetheart of a deal, I'd say save your pennies and get an E0 chip (Thuban) if you plan on keeping the chip for awhile. Do this even if you don't need the extra two cores."

Phenom II C2 vs C3 Stepping.

Hi everyone, I've read about these two and I'm just trying to get a clear decisive opinion on this. Is the overclocking difference that much on air (as opposed to water cooling/anything else extreme)? Or will they reach relatively same clock speeds? I'm thinking of buying a PII from someone on...

forums.anandtech.com

AMD documentation:

"April 2010 3.72 Added AMD Phenom™ II X6 Processor and PH-E0 silicon information to Overview, Tables 8, 16, 17, 26, and 27-30; Updated Table 8; Added errata #438 and #459. "

https://www.amd.com/system/files/TechDocs/41322_10h_Rev_Gd.pdf

 

[policestationx]

Klee from Reera

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

I cant see how a console could push a chip at 2.0ghz, the heat would be immense. Are they using liquid nitrogen cooling or something? lol.

Well, if the retail system is close in size to the devkit, then it'll be a bit on the hefty side. With that much space and the vent setup seen in the devkit I think they can keep it sufficiently cooled.

The question is how much noise would it make

the only thing that makes me think they may have scrapped the 36 CU part is the semiaccurate leak in early 2018 that had sony getting near final samples, and revving up to ship kits. It is possible they started to panic when seeing what MS was planning in early 2018, and threw out oberon.

Lets face it, a 36cu chip based on 5700 series tech in a console apu would be a maximum 8tf product. 8 vs 12/13 tf xsx is a massive difference. Sony does not have the IP of a nintendo to ensure sales, they have to have a competitive console. Yeah there are a few million who will buy it because they love kratos and ellie, but those people are not enough for a successful generation. The console itself has to be appealing and competitive.

so in this scenario, git hub data is old and sony has made a radical shift in strat. It is possible.

That's possible, but something tells me Sony hasn't done that. It would be similar to what SEGA did back in '93 when they got word of the PS1's specs and panicked, throwing in the 2nd CPU and such. Which screwed up the balanced architecture they already had, incurred additional costs they had to eat up on R&D and systems produced, and forced them to run behind on SDKs for devs (among other issues).

Sure Sony has the money to throw out all the progress on Oberon and start again, but that would be them throwing out 3 years of development, needing to re-architect everything from scratch, throw billions of dollars down the drain (and invest yet more billions for new R&D), re-sort contracts for components, and squeeze all of this and testing in for the new chip in just under two years.

I can't imagine what a resource and manpower drain that would be the PS division. Like I said, it's theoretically possible Sony may've done that, but at what cost? I definitely think they made some other types of adjustments though; again, guys like Shawn Layden left suddenly, there were tons of rumors for a 2019 release, etc.

Most realistic possibility is that they've been fine-tuning the hell out of Oberon and trying to squeeze as much performance out of it as possible. They still have roughly up to E3 before things need to be absolutely finalized (I guess) though.

 

[BatSu]

 

[Musky_Cheese]

So all you have to do to be an insider, to be in the know... is say maybe maybe not?

 

[R600]

the only thing that makes me think they may have scrapped the 36 CU part is the semiaccurate leak in early 2018 that had sony getting near final samples, and revving up to ship kits. It is possible they started to panic when seeing what MS was planning in early 2018, and threw out oberon.

Lets face it, a 36cu chip based on 5700 series tech in a console apu would be a maximum 8tf product. 8 vs 12/13 tf xsx is a massive difference. Sony does not have the IP of a nintendo to ensure sales, they have to have a competitive console. Yeah there are a few million who will buy it because they love kratos and ellie, but those people are not enough for a successful generation. The console itself has to be appealing and competitive.

so in this scenario, git hub data is old and sony has made a radical shift in strat. It is possible.

Github Oberon is stepping B0 updated in June.

Only credible source of cancellation for 2019 is from Jason, who said it was scrapped at beginning of 2017. They had no chip then so makes 0 sense to have a 36CU one in June, wgich was sent in V dev kits, just to have totally different design 6 months later in time of tapeout (which, coincidentaly, has a same codename but different stepping).

If there is Oberon E0 waiting for tapeout now, and we know what Oberon B0 looked like 6 months ago, there is only one result IMO and that is 36CU one. But lets wait and see...

 

[Shin]

Still waiting for that GitHub link everyone keeps talking about and basing on.
What's the story about that anyway?

 

[llien]

Rumor suggests that other rumor might be wrong.
Yay.

PS
And for the console wars: I'd take cool, quiet and cheaper 9tf over noisy hot and expensive 11tf PS5 any time. Cough.
MS would need to bump up its exclusives to get me interested. #taliban in Sony headquarters, on the other hand, could get me to a point when I vote with my wallet against them.

I cant see how a console could push a chip at 2.0ghz, the heat would be immense. Are they using liquid nitrogen cooling or something? lol.

5700XT is 7nm DUV. EUV should give 20% savings out of the box.

 

[Stuart360]

I swear people exaggerate about how loud the Pro is. I have a heavy overclock on my gpu and have my fans set to 90 to cool it. It sounds like someone turned on a vacuum when i start the overclock, and 5mins into gaming, i dont even hear it anymore.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

Rumor suggests that other rumor might be wrong.
Yay.

PS
And for the console wars: I'd take cool, quiet and cheaper 9tf over noisy hot and expensive 11tf PS5 any time. Cough.
MS would need to bump up its exclusives to get me interested. #taliban in Sony headquarters, on the other hand, could get me to a point when I vote with my wallet against them.

Yeah. This didn’t need its own thread. A single post in the ongoing next gen thread at best. Since nothing was actually said.

 

[R600]

There are two types of X4... based in C3 (full 4 cores enabled) and based in E0 (4 cores enabled and 2 disabled).

Phenon II X4 8 January 2009 (C2/C3 stepping): Four AMD K10 cores
Phenon II X3 9 February 2009 (C2/C3 stepping): Four AMD K10 cores (chip harvested with 1 core disabled)
Phenon II X2 1 June 2009 (C2/C3 stepping): Four AMD K10 cores (chip harvested with 2 cores disabled)
Phenon II X6 27 April 2010 (E0 stepping): Six AMD K10 cores
Athlon II X4 2011 (E0 stepping): Six AMD K10 cores (chip harvested with 2 cores disabled)

The step C2/C3 has 4 full cores... the step E0 has 6 full cores.

Even users in AnandTech forum knows the E0 has 6 full cores compared with C2/C3 with 4 full cores:

"Also, stick to C3 chips if you're buying a Phenom II. Actually, unless you're getting a sweetheart of a deal, I'd say save your pennies and get an E0 chip (Thuban) if you plan on keeping the chip for awhile. Do this even if you don't need the extra two cores."

Phenom II C2 vs C3 Stepping.

Hi everyone, I've read about these two and I'm just trying to get a clear decisive opinion on this. Is the overclocking difference that much on air (as opposed to water cooling/anything else extreme)? Or will they reach relatively same clock speeds? I'm thinking of buying a PII from someone on...

forums.anandtech.com

AMD documentation:

"April 2010 3.72 Added AMD Phenom™ II X6 Processor and PH-E0 silicon information to Overview, Tables 8, 16, 17, 26, and 27-30; Updated Table 8; Added errata #438 and #459. "

https://www.amd.com/system/files/TechDocs/41322_10h_Rev_Gd.pdf

No, dont think so.

Thuban cores (codename, Phenom 2 chip) are 6 core chip.

Zosma cores (codename, Phenom 2 chip) are 4 core chip, which are just disabled from Thuban.

Both of these CPUs are part of Phenom 2 from May 2010 steppinf E0.

Others(C2/C3) chips from same range are Deneb chips, originally 4 core and from 2009.

So...

Thuban chip/ stepping E0/ originally 6 core/ 2010.

Zosma chip/ steppinf E0 / disabled 2 cores from Thuban/ 2010

C2/C3 chips / original 4 cores / released in 2009

 

[ethomaz]

No, dont think so.

Thuban cores (codename, Phenom 2 chip) are 6 core chip.

Zosma cores (codename, Phenom 2 chip) are 4 core chip, which are just disabled from Thuban.

Both of these CPUs are part of Phenom 2 from May 2010 steppinf E0.

Others(C2/C3) chips from same range are Deneb chips, originally 4 core and from 2009.

So...

Thuban chip/ stepping E0/ originally 6 core/ 2010.

Zosma chip/ steppinf E0 / disabled 2 cores from Thuban/ 2010

C2/C3 chips / original 4 cores / released in 2009

You don't need to thing so it is on AMD documentation... it is a fact.

It is the same chip with different steeping and E0 added 2 cores.

All C2/C4 stepping are 4 cores.
All E0 steeping are 6 cores.

You said you never saw that so I give you one example... you can find more if you look on google.

 

[Bkdk]

Any more leaks about the rtx 3080 ti power? Way more interested in that.

Sony might change the specs last minute though, seeing all the backlash of only 9.2tflops.