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Jason Schreier (Kotaku Splitscreen) : "Sony will have PS5 only titles at launch"

Grinchy

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It is so bizarre to me that just because Microsoft couldn't time things out to get Xbox2 games that actually use its new hardware within a year of it launching, some people have actually jumped onto some meta bandwagon about how that's how everyone should be doing it.
 

Airbus Jr

Banned
Freedom Gate Co, Meirl, KageyK and DynamiteCop after reading this news be like

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GHG

Gold Member
But why would you be satisfied at forced obsolescence?

Look up the dates when they supported the ps2 and ps3 until then get back to me. FIFA 19 still released on the PS3.

If you want to stick with your old hardware you can, just don't expect to play any new games on it. Very few developers want to make new games for old hardware, why should they?

If you want to rock a 2010 gaming PC in 2020 you can, don't expect to play any new games on it, not least not to modern standards.
 

longdi

Banned
Could this be a reason why noob insiders like Klee thought PS5 was more powerful?
He must have got a peek/mistaken about PS5 exclusive games vs X1SX cross-gen games.
 

DaMonsta

Member
Look up the dates when they supported the ps2 and ps3 until then get back to me. FIFA 19 still released on the PS3.

If you want to stick with your old hardware you can, just don't expect to play any new games on it. Very few developers want to make new games for old hardware, why should they?

If you want to rock a 2010 gaming PC in 2020 you can, don't expect to play any new games on it, not least not to modern standards.
What are you talking about? The majority of PS5 launch games will also come out on PS4 and still work on 2010 pc hardware.

Sony will be the only ones excluding owners of old hardware from their games. And you think this is a good thing?
 

Gamernyc78

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Could this be a reason why noob insiders like Klee thought PS5 was more powerful?
He must have got a peek/mistaken about PS5 exclusive games vs X1SX cross-gen games.

Lol 😂 😂 😂 yeah thts what it is Reiner too tht noob didn't know what he was hearing 🤦‍♂️ Also Osiris.

My God the gymnastics from the faithful. Reveals will be glorious.
 
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GHG

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It is so bizarre to me that just because Microsoft couldn't time things out to get Xbox2 games that actually use its new hardware within a year of it launching, some people have actually jumped onto some meta bandwagon about how that's how everyone should be doing it.

Honestly it's mind boggling.

Based on what I'm reading I'm also assuming these people will be sticking with their old Xbox Ones and won't be buying a Series X in support of these "pro-consumer" moves Microsoft are making.
 

GHG

Gold Member
What are you talking about? The majority of PS5 launch games will also come out on PS4 and still work on 2010 pc hardware.

Sony will be the only ones excluding owners of old hardware from their games. And you think this is a good thing?

I'm not even going to waste my time with this.


Look up 2010 PC hardware and tell me what kind of experience somebody would have playing with that hardware on new releases. Developers don't make modern games with 2010 hardware in mind and why the fuck should they?

You must be that guy who daily drives a 30 year old banger. "It still works" he says as he trundles along in the slow lane with black smoke billowing out the exhaust while holding up trucks.
 
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Deleted member 471617

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Despite owning an Xbox One X a few months ago, I traded it in so I can be day one for Xbox Series X because cross-gen games or not, why the hell would I want to play late 2020 games on Jaguar CPU garbage when I can play games on Zen 2, more RAM, far better GPU, RGB HDR and Ray Tracing with far better frame rates?

Been a gamer since 1989 with NES and im a firm believer in console generations because at some point, it's simply time to move on. Imagine if games were still connected to PS2. We would be seeing some ugly blocky polygonal garbage in 2020. UGH. That's definitely not why I pay hundreds for a next gen console.

I want the best current tech I can get inside a console. Not 7 year old obsolete garbage. But that's just me.
 

Discusguy

Member
This makes no sense. You buy a Next Gen Console for a Next Gen Experience. Play Games designed to take full advantage of PS5 and thus impossible to run on PS4 crappy Jaguar CPUs. Its Called Next Gen Gaming.
Come on Man.

“Come on man” didn’t work for Biden and it’s not working here.

What next gen features are you expecting that can’t be scaled down to work on the PS4 Pro.
 
What are you talking about? The majority of PS5 launch games will also come out on PS4 and still work on 2010 pc hardware.

Sony will be the only ones excluding owners of old hardware from their games. And you think this is a good thing?
Preeeetty sure Nintendo not only did that, but then made reselling Wii U titles a huge part of the Switch's launch library, but meh.

Video games have never been like phones or the like. Not sure why we're pretending like they are all of the sudden.
 
“Come on man” didn’t work for Biden and it’s not working here.

What next gen features are you expecting that can’t be scaled down to work on the PS4 Pro.
The ones that are not even there now on os4 pro like using full destruction as a technique to get rid of enemy and change the map with destruction while keeping 30 FPS. More interactive worlds . They can’t even do it now with this gen engine let alone with next gen engines with more advance lighting and global illuminations
 

Heinrich

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Sooooooooooooo...........Sony is giving people a reason to buy a PS5 on day 1? SOLD.

Duh. Then again there are folks who think otherwise because their box isn’t doing this :messenger_tears_of_joy:.

i remember when MS did it at the beginning of this gen, people said „MS sucks. Leaving their console in the dust so early, when the next console launches! That’s why I don’t buy a Microsoft console. Can’t trust them. They leave their console too early!

now, Sony can’t start nextgen too early and leaves their console in the dust it’s suddenly: „AMAZING! NOw have a great reason to buy a PS5!! YES Sony did it again. Fantastic strategy! Love you Sony! Can’t wait to kiss my PS5!“
 
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Grinchy

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What if those PS5 only titles are pure crap? You are still getting the PS5 at launch because of those? Godfall doesn’t look promising
"What if" is better than a guaranteed 0% chance.

I think it's odd to say that a chance of new gen-specific games not being good is the reasoning for why it's better to not have them at all.
 
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Kagey K

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What if those PS5 only titles are pure crap? You are still getting the PS5 at launch because of those? Godfall doesn’t look promising
You can bet some of them are. Go look at the “what next gen console are you going to buy” thread, it was made after the wired article and before the game awards.

Lots of people have their mind made up regardless of games and specs. Even though they say those are the things that matter to them most.
 
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GHG

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You can bet some of them are. Go look at the what next gen console are you getting first thread, it was made after the wired article and before the game awards.

Lots of people have their mind made up regardless of games and specs. Even though they say those are the things that matter to them most.

You're right, everyone should wait 2 years before deciding what console they buy, including you.

We all need to give Microsoft a chance to get their shit together before deciding what to buy.
 
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Avion4017

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i remember when MS did it at the beginning of this gen, people said „MS sucks. Leaving their console in the dust so early, when the next console launches! That’s why I don’t buy a Microsoft console. Can’t trust them. They leave their console too early!

now, Sony can’t start nextgen too early and leaves their console in the dust it’s suddenly: „AMAZING! NOw have a great reason to buy a PS5!! YES Sony did it again. Fantastic strategy! Love you Sony! Can’t wait to kiss my PS5!“
Sony are giving the PS4 pretty consistent support through to the release of the PS5, though. This isn't the same scenario as the 360's last 12 months before the XBone released...at all.
 

Grinchy

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I feel like the bigger issue is getting lost. If it's true that the new xbox is a 12TF monster of a console, then don't we want to see what that can do? It being able to run current-gen games with higher settings is already a given. And that's a nice feature!

But what we want when we spend $500+ on launch day for a new generation of console hardware is to get a glimpse at what is possible with it. Waiting at least a full year after the purchase to see what it's actually capable of is insane and there's a reason that this is a break from the norm.
 
i remember when MS did it at the beginning of this gen, people said „MS sucks. Leaving their console in the dust so early, when the next console launches! That’s why I don’t buy a Microsoft console. Can’t trust them. They leave their console too early!

now, Sony can’t start nextgen too early and leaves their console in the dust it’s suddenly: „AMAZING! NOw have a great reason to buy a PS5!! YES Sony did it again. Fantastic strategy! Love you Sony! Can’t wait to kiss my PS5!“
Who the heck was saying that? Especially given that this has been the MO of every console manufacturer for decades.

The only thing I recall was people getting upset that MS said they had an option for people with poor internet or data caps and that "option" was the last-gen console. Honestly never heard a PEEP from anyone complaining Ryse wasn't launching on the 360. Especially given Sony was launching Killzone, inFamous, and Knack only on the PS4.

Unless you mean how barren their 360 release calendar was before then.
 
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Handel

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Launch lineups are historically mediocre to trash except sometimes when Nintendo puts out a 3D Mario or Zelda at launch, even still that's just one game amazing as they are. It having exclusives doesn't matter so much as having good exclusives.
 

Grinchy

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Launch lineups are historically mediocre to trash except sometimes when Nintendo puts out a 3D Mario or Zelda at launch, even still that's just one game amazing as they are. It having exclusives doesn't matter so much as having good exclusives.
So once again, a chance of them being mediocre is worse than a guarantee that there won't be any?
 
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Handel

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So once again, a chance of them being mediocre is worse than a guarantee that there won't be any?
Nothing about worse, just that it's hardly likely to be relevant anyways. Not just in the quality of the games, but also them being some next gen showcase. It took awhile for this gen to really start shining. Diminishing returns is a real thing.
 

mcjmetroid

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Hold on, where is this "Sony are bad for making their next generation console games exclusive to their next generation console", negativity coming from?

This has been the case... Forever in console gaming were you guys not around?
 
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Deleted member 775630

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All these people that think that Microsoft is not able to show the capabilities of the XSX because the game is also scaled down for OneS are just fanboys that have some weird affiliation with a company, and hope that Sony sells a lot of PS5's.

I can bet you know that if both consoles are similar when it comes to power, Halo Infinite will be the best looking game at the start of this generation.
 
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demigod

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i remember when MS did it at the beginning of this gen, people said „MS sucks. Leaving their console in the dust so early, when the next console launches! That’s why I don’t buy a Microsoft console. Can’t trust them. They leave their console too early!

now, Sony can’t start nextgen too early and leaves their console in the dust it’s suddenly: „AMAZING! NOw have a great reason to buy a PS5!! YES Sony did it again. Fantastic strategy! Love you Sony! Can’t wait to kiss my PS5!“

What the fuck are you talking about? Not my fault xbox fans are hypocrites. I bought a ps4 for next gen games that came along with it at launch. I will be doing the same with ps5, there is no flip flopping there like you xbox fans. Your post failed.
 

cormack12

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UPDATE: I got it to play. Too bad he didn't mention any. We'll see if that's the case or if he's speaking from the terms that games like Godfall won't be on PS4.

:messenger_tears_of_joy::messenger_tears_of_joy: That was exactly my first thought too. Xbox saying they're concentrating on crossgen then he just takes the Godfall snippet and makes an article round how PS5 will have dedicated PS5 launch titles. How cynical we are......:)
 
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Deleted member 775630

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What the fuck are you talking about? Not my fault xbox fans are hypocrites. I bought a ps4 for next gen games that came along with it at launch. I will be doing the same with ps5, there is no flip flopping there like you xbox fans. Your post failed.
Where does it say that XSX doesn't launch with next gen games? Because the game is also available on One's? Weird theory.

You know what the best looking game was when the Xbox 360 came out? Call of Duty 2. How weird, right. A multi-platform game is suddenly still great at launch even though it's available on other platforms.
 
I don't understand Microsoft's approach to this, the tried-and-tested method of launching exclusive titles works and is vital for the longevity of the console. You NEED a strong start to continue throughout the generation yet it seems to me they're making the same mistakes they made during the Xbox One era; that is misreading the market completely and letting Sony's PlayStation have such a good start that the rest of the generation plays itself out.

There is absolutely no logic at all in not launching titles that can only be played on the XSX at it's launch. Therefore, why the hell would anyone buy one? It'll just crash it's ecosystem on takeoff making the PS5 the only legitimate choice.

Microsoft have had only one success in the console industry and that is the Xbox 360. Why do they keep having to pull a PS3?
All of that. I'm seriously starting to think conspiracy theory. Phil Spencer=George Bush.....Was that too far?
 

demigod

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Where does it say that XSX doesn't launch with next gen games? Because the game is also available on One's? Weird theory.

You know what the best looking game was when the Xbox 360 came out? Call of Duty 2. How weird, right. A multi-platform game is suddenly still great at launch even though it's available on other platforms.

Call of Duty 2 was not constrained by previous gen hardware. It was made specifically for next gen. Goodluck if you think next CoD will be exclusive to next gen.

Guess which games looked best for ps3 and ps4? Resistance and Killzone.
 

Kagey K

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Again they didn’t say all 1st party games would be exclusive to the PS5, just that there would be PS5 exclusives.

I think some of you are jumping to conclusions a bit too soon, and should take some time to really analyze what is being said.
 
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I don't understand Microsoft's approach to this, the tried-and-tested method of launching exclusive titles works and is vital for the longevity of the console. You NEED a strong start to continue throughout the generation yet it seems to me they're making the same mistakes they made during the Xbox One era; that is misreading the market completely and letting Sony's PlayStation have such a good start that the rest of the generation plays itself out.

There is absolutely no logic at all in not launching titles that can only be played on the XSX at it's launch. Therefore, why the hell would anyone buy one? It'll just crash it's ecosystem on takeoff making the PS5 the only legitimate choice.

Microsoft have had only one success in the console industry and that is the Xbox 360. Why do they keep having to pull a PS3?

I can't think of another console that will be able to play the Xbox Series X version of Halo Infinite with the same graphics quality and performance. I think Series X owners will be fine.
 
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