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Sorry, but DriveClub isn't good. At all.

hunthunt

Banned
Is not a bad game.

But you are comparing a 30 fps over the top arcade with Gran Turismo Sport which tries to simulate the real world and is incidentally far and away the best racer of this generation of consoles.
 

Lone Wolf

Member
Remember when people back in the early days of the XBO/PS4 took whatever crap was fed to them and had arguments between whether Driveclub or The Crew (holy shit) were better games?

Or how Driveclub was replacing GT on PS4 because of GT6, and Forza Horizon was going to be finished off?

Or when people thought games like Knack and Ryse were adequate or good games?
Well there used to be a weekly thread here about how wonderful Driveclub is. It was like someone was getting paid to post it. seriously like every week.
 
It was a solid launch title that got delayed, nothing more. The PS4’s Midnight Club or Smugglers Run. But the hype made it out to be more than it ever could have been, similar to The Order.

It looked amazing at times but played meh.
 

Antwix

Member
no even fucking true. Every car handles differently, I don't know how stupid people like you post absolute nonsense about games as facts without thoroughly playing them.

I have played DriveClub for easily over 150 to 200 hours or more.

Its like the time a moron on GAF was arguing with me that Resistance 3 is trash and then admitted that he never played the game past first level.
I didn't have to play the game "thoroughly". A dozen hours playing a racing game in 30fps was enough. I don't know your definition of "thoroughly" for a racing game but I wish I'd stopped sooner. Every car handles differently? Yeah, I know, and I would fucking hope so in today's age. At least DriveClub's complete online functionality will cease so it can get its final nail in its coffin.
 
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Jigsaah

Gold Member
I played it quite a bit when it launched and it was reasonably fun. I played in VR also at launch, and that wasn't great, but no biggie. The dynamic weather and TOD is cool.

However, I've spent the last week playing Gran Turismo Sport after getting a T300RS-GT wheel and I decided to do a few runs in DriveClub and MANNNNNN, maybe it's just in comparison to GT, but I'm deleting DC cos the game just feels broken. The ForceFeedback on the wheel is almost non-existant and it's 30FPS. I literally felt sick nauseous while playing it. The camera is super jumpy, the jaggies are horrendous. The cars feel like they have zero traction.

Maybe it's not fair to compare it to GTS, seeing as GTS is aguably the best looking and feeling racer of all time. What the hell were Evolution thinking producing an arcade-y racing game at 30FPS? I think if it was (at the very least, feature-wise) 60FPS, then it would still be a game worth playing today.

I'm sorry to say this, but I'm not that surprised Sony shut down the servers early and closed down Evolution. It's simply not a title worthy of being in their 1st-party stable.
Not a huge driving fan, but how do you reconcile the title of the thread with the first line of the OP?
 

Dory16

Banned
Is not a bad game.

But you are comparing a 30 fps over the top arcade with Gran Turismo Sport which tries to simulate the real world and is incidentally far and away the best racer of this generation of consoles.
Ahem. You can't be serious. There are 2 racers on another platform that are both arguably better. Far and away?
Opinions I guess.
 
I think it depends what your expectations and desires were going in. For me, it clicked because it felt like the kind of simcade racer we got during the Dreamcast era. I got completely addicted to it, put tons and tons of hours into it.
 

CJY

Banned
Not a huge driving fan, but how do you reconcile the title of the thread with the first line of the OP?

Just because I played it a bit when it came out doesn't make it a good game.

Just because I had a small bit of fun with it doesn't make it a good game.

Perhaps it was pretty much the only option of racing game on the platform at the time, but hasn't stood the test of time whatsoever.

I don't agree that the title of the thread and the first line aren't compatible. I think you'd have to be pretty dense to feel that way.
 

CJY

Banned
So game is bad because your steering wheel isnt properly supported? Who plays games like NFS or Forza Horizon with a wheel. DC is an amazing arcade racer, best weather effects STILL 6 years later.
Steering wheel is supported. It's just supported in a shit way. Nowhere in the OP does it mention that it's not supported. And nowhere is it suggested that the lack of good wheel support is the only issue with the game. It's far from the only issue. maybe you should read it again, slowly, if you've been having such an issue comprehending.
 

its_Ditz

Member
As just a customer I hold Sony fully responsible for the failure of DriveClub. Presenting the game as a freebie prior to the console launch, saying it would be available day 1 on console launch, butchering the game into a gimped version for PS Plus when it did arrive, failures on the quality control for launch, launching before key features were implemented. They threw Evo into the fire and then pissed on them to put the fire out. It was a shit show from Sony which all came about because they wanted to have some good press prior to the console launch.

The game itself, whilst not perfect, filled a void in the racing genre on PlayStation. It’s the most fun i have had with a racing game on PS4. And the most fun I have had with a racing game since the last Project Gotham game.

Thread in a nutshell for me.

I love DriveClub and consider it to be the very best racing game of the generation due to it's sense of speed.
If OP didn't like it... Well, fine I guess. I did.
 
I thought it was subpar and pretty weak.since launch. Its never been in the same league as the GTs or Forza IMO
Agree
The game was horrible on launch and I suspect the only reason it got airtime was because the ps4 had a lack of driving games at the time.....the game also had like 50 patches to make it fun

Gt sport does have it's flaws but is a much better driving experience
 

Bogroll

Likes moldy games
A game that plays like a average Dreamcast racer. Also framerate seems like its 20 or 24 fps, something don't feel right to me.
 

MMaRsu

Banned
I found it being great, but of course if you compare it with GT Sport it might not be so good anymore.. Red Dead Redemption 2 is good too, but if you compare it with Breath of the Wild it will look like a shovelware walking (or riding) simulator.

Lol. Hilarious :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
Agree
The game was horrible on launch and I suspect the only reason it got airtime was because the ps4 had a lack of driving games at the time.....the game also had like 50 patches to make it fun

Gt sport does have it's flaws but is a much better driving experience

Because it is a really kickass arcade racer and its time of day / dynamic global lighting and dynamic weather system make for very immersive races. Best arcade racer for me.
 

DS_Joost

Member
OP even though I can see where you're coming from saying Driveclub isn't good and not worthy of the 1st party staple is nuts.

It's the second best racer of this gen. Behind GT Sport. And in terms of white knuckle driving and sense of speed, it's actually no. 1 by far.

You read that right, fuck Horizon 4, overrated, boring, soulless piece of shit racing game. Playground just remade the same game 4 times. Fight me.
 
Steering wheel is supported. It's just supported in a shit way. Nowhere in the OP does it mention that it's not supported. And nowhere is it suggested that the lack of good wheel support is the only issue with the game. It's far from the only issue. maybe you should read it again, slowly, if you've been having such an issue comprehending.

Just read it again. You made a statement that Driveclub isnt good at all based on A: amazing steering support on GTS and B: 30fps that makes you nauseated. You never said anything about gameplay, about graphics, about car selection, track size and weather effects. So I think my reply was pretty much spot on. Opinions differ but your statement and reason for it dont really make sense to say the whole game is terrible just because it has wanky wheel support that....i donno, maybe 5% use on DC or the 30fps which a lot of racing games still use. Its better to have 60 fps for sure but even the newest NFS is 30 so its nothing new. I just think you never played it fully and also, its been 6 years almost now since its release. Of course newer games do it better. DC was/is fun as hell and an amazing sense of speed and thrill even at 30fps.
 
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Cattlyst

Member
I was a huge fan of Driveclub, and it's the only game I've kept on my shelf for the entire time I've owned a PS4 of some description (started on the base, now a PS4 Pro). This is actually quite interesting because I had great fun with Driveclub and enjoyed all the DLC and played online quite a bit too. However, I haven't booted the game up for probably 2 years at this point, so I'm tempted to go back to it just to see if I too experience what OP is saying.
 
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Foamy

Unconfirmed Member
I didn't have to play the game "thoroughly". A dozen hours playing a racing game in 30fps was enough. I don't know your definition of "thoroughly" for a racing game but I wish I'd stopped sooner. Every car handles differently? Yeah, I know, and I would fucking hope so in today's age. At least DriveClub's complete online functionality will cease so it can get its final nail in its coffin.
Wow. So much vitriol. Show us on this doll where the bad game touched you. :messenger_confused:
 
I wanted to love this game, since I digged the weather and lighting stuff in it. But it's too sim for me, and it's too arcadey for a friend of mine who is into racing sims.
 

xrnzaaas

Member
It's ok OP, I know you're just salty that you never 3-starred the Venom Hot Lap.



Shhhhh, it's ok buddy, we're there for you.


The best thing about Venom Hot Lap is that once you're finally done with it after xx attempts you discover there's a Venom Hot Lap 2 in wet conditions. ;)
 

Jigsaah

Gold Member
Just because I played it a bit when it came out doesn't make it a good game.

Just because I had a small bit of fun with it doesn't make it a good game.

Perhaps it was pretty much the only option of racing game on the platform at the time, but hasn't stood the test of time whatsoever.

I don't agree that the title of the thread and the first line aren't compatible. I think you'd have to be pretty dense to feel that way.
I think "quite a bit" has a different meaning than "a bit" as you stated in your last reply.

I think "reasonably fun" is different than "small bit of fun".

I think it's unreasonable to think I'm dense when in your title you say Driveclub is "not good at all" but then say you played quite a bit and reasonably fun. Maybe you're the dense one if you can't seem to understand someone could see that as contradictory.

I mean doesn't the fact that it's reasonably fun and you played quite a bit mean that its at least an okay game? It's hyperbole that is not only unnecessary but...essentially false by common sense standards.
 

Jacknapes

Member
To be honest, i've not been on DC since they closed the servers. Before the server closures, i was on most weeks doing laps and earning team points.

This game was fantastic, it had it's rocky start with server issues. But Evolution stuck with it and made it more stable, and added a load of content each month for the low season pass price. The dynamic weather was supurb, the tracks were great. It's a shame the devs were closed.
 
It being a racing game but only 30FPS is sort of a big bummer honestly. Racing games imo are one of those genres where you need fine-tuned precision and where stuff like frame data is important for making frame-specific adjustments in your controls. 30FPS just makes sucks a ton of that away. 60FPS is always preferable when it comes to racing games, whether arcade-style or simulator IMHO.

100% agree. Reminds me of the old arcade racing games where your car was floating across the track without any feel to it. Not sure why anyone would play driveclub when there's better racing games out there. Driveclub is absolute trash.

What old arcade racing games did you play? I still play a few of them; Daytona, Scud Race, Ridge Racer 4, etc. Especially games like Daytona 2, the cars always feel weighty and "on the track" to me. If anything Driveclub seemed shy about going full-tilt with arcade-style physics.

And those games (well, not RR4 sadly) all run at 60, they feel better to play in terms of precision.
 
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CJY

Banned
I think "quite a bit" has a different meaning than "a bit" as you stated in your last reply.

I think "reasonably fun" is different than "small bit of fun".

I think it's unreasonable to think I'm dense when in your title you say Driveclub is "not good at all" but then say you played quite a bit and reasonably fun. Maybe you're the dense one if you can't seem to understand someone could see that as contradictory.

I mean doesn't the fact that it's reasonably fun and you played quite a bit mean that its at least an okay game? It's hyperbole that is not only unnecessary but...essentially false by common sense standards.
What are you actually on about? Just because I found something "reasonably fun" or had a "small bit of fun" doesn't negate what I said in the original post or make DC an objectively good game. Everything that's said is relative to a person's expectations and experiences. What you might consider good one day might be shit the next day and vice-versa.

My bottom line is this: DC was always a shit game. I played it because I got it for free and I tend to play most Sony exclusives. Call me naive or whatever, but I enjoyed it a little and found it reasonably fun, not because it was a good game, but because I like racing games and I didn't have any other racing game at the time.

Through the passage of time, with more experience under my belt, I came back and it turns out the game is actually a total shit show.
 

CJY

Banned
I'm just wondering why you keep apologizing for having an opinion
I'm not apologising for sharing my opinion, but feel bad for those many people who actually enjoy the game and have expressed their enjoyment on this very forum. I was once myself a champion of this game also, espousing it's great visuals and gameplay, but upon closer inspection, I realise it's just not a good game.

I would say it's a technically and objectively bad game. I guess maybe it was my allegiance to Sony that made me give it more credit than it was due at the time.
 

Whitecrow

Banned
It being a racing game but only 30FPS is sort of a big bummer honestly. Racing games imo are one of those genres where you need fine-tuned precision and where stuff like frame data is important for making frame-specific adjustments in your controls. 30FPS just makes sucks a ton of that away. 60FPS is always preferable when it comes to racing games, whether arcade-style or simulator IMHO.
60 fps is always preferable in every game, but DC is fine at 30 fps, so is Forza Horizon.

Gameplay and controls are fine tuned for that target fps (at least in the good ones), so the '30 fps sucks for racing games' is really a lie you are telling yourselves for whatever reason.

You dont need inhuman precision and reflexes to beat DC or FH.
 
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