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DF - Xbox Next-Gen Features You Can Try Today: 120Hz/ VRR on Xbox One... What Do They Actually Do?
Fake
Member
To explain about VRR. There's a lot of fake info about that to pushing console wars. 120hz don't increase frame rate or perfomance, but instead make the gaming experience more smooth. IMO is a valid conversation, or else believe in games running at 120fps...
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Captain Zyrain
Member
I'm bummed because while I have a Samsung TV that can do some of these, since I run everything through my receiver, I lose the ability.
GHG
Gold Member
HDMI 2.1 compatible recievers should be capable no?
Captain Zyrain
Member
Ulysses 31
Member
So run it directly to the TV then? Or do you have some killer Atmos setup?
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Captain Zyrain
Member
So run it directly to the TV then? Or do you have some killer Atmos setup?
Yeah, I'm doing Atmos, mostly for the movies, I haven't really noticed it in any games yet. I could just plug/unplug I suppose as needed, but I am lazy!
Probably just going to wait a spell, the Samsung doesn't do Dolby Vision, not sure if the receiver passes that or not. Hopefully they all figure their shit out by the time I get a new TV/setup.
GHG
Gold Member
The .1 has me a bit sceptical.
I moved away from my old HDMI 1.4 yamaha receiver last year and got a Sony HT-Z9F soundbar with the additional wireless surround speakers & sub. It's officially HDMI 2.0 but has features that are part of the 2.1 spec so fuck knows what's going on and when it will all settle down.
Sw0pDiller
Member
Please df give us more about a console that completely flopped here in Europe... A
ethomaz
Banned
Captain Zyrain
Member
Well, since PS4 doesn't do any of these, they can't test them now.
PS5 and Xbox Series X will both have these features, so it seems like a nice feature to look at these now to see how they do. I would guess both boxes in the future will have better implementation, as well as games made for it, but it doesn't mean this featurette is pointless now.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
GDI. I didn't even think about this lol. I am looking to get a 2019 OLED when some decent sales hit to take advantage of some of the things but didn't even think about having to upgrade my receiver.
Captain Zyrain
Member
Yeah
I just got my Denon last year and it does everything super nice... but it's not 2.1 and as far as I am aware, they can't retroactively allow that kind of connectivity? I'm not 100% sure, but I know my TV fails the Xbox tests when I do it.
GHG
Gold Member
The whole equation collapses the moment you involve any surround hardware. I spent a grand upgrading my living room audio setup last year only to later realise it might not be fully compatible with next gen HDMI spec.
It's best to not think about it too much and get the best you can at the time you want/need to buy. The inevitably is that you'll always miss out on something.
For now 4k + HDR + Atmos is good enough for me so I'm not going to lose sleep over potentially missing out on VRR Passthrough.
New Yorks Finest
Banned
Aweeeeeeeeeee how cute, feel left in the cold and all alone..., you want them to talk about your Sonys..Aweeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Fake
Member
Oh no.
Fake
Member
Sekiro, Raibow Six and Wolfs. Give a huge example in PC with Crysis 3.
MoreJRPG
Suffers from extreme PDS
Why wouldn't they? They made the most powerful console this gen, they're going to put out the most powerful console next gen. Microsoft is always pushing the envelope, and they're open with what they're doing for next gen. All stuff Digital Foundry makes their living off of.
Can't say that about Sony.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
What a post.
MoreJRPG
Suffers from extreme PDS
Care to explain why? Or are we in the business of drive-bys?
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Yes, you can run the Xbox a 1440p to unlock 120Hz resolution, but what's the fucking point when most games are stuck between 30 - 60 fps?
Are there some games that go above 60 fps?
Are there some games that go above 60 fps?
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
G O L D E N 
Bryank75
Banned
They are truly a marvel to behold.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
No that was 360.Xbox on fire
Fake
Member
Less screen/frame persistence. Is on the video.
GHG
Gold Member
Do we live in an alternate universe where the original Xbox One didn't release? Or does that just get swept under the rug now?
Games don't need to run between 60-120fps for the advantages of 120hz to be felt.
It's worth watching the video as it's explained there.
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Lort
Banned
The video explains why you might want to anyway.. Rainbow Six Seige goes to 90 fps
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Sure, I will break it down for you.
On their second attempt, sure, if mid-gen refreshes are your thing. The latter part, you don't know that as fact just yet.
Always? XB1 says, sup. Then again, if you want to count always online, and no used games, that is one hell of an envelope to push. Wrongs have been righted, but not "always".
The PS3 pushed a pretty good envelope with its feature set out of the box, pricey, but that came down fast.. And the PS4/PS4Pro pushed past the XB1, so well that MS copied the design for the X1X, thankfully.
Let's hope Sony copies a cooling solution, vapor has been around for over 15 years on the PC, so at least that.
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MoreJRPG
Suffers from extreme PDS
Fair enough, although no one is denying that the original Xbox One reveal was an unmitigated disaster, that really could only have been orchestrated by one person on this earth who has been kicked to the curb by every company since then.
Fake
Member
Run like shit on PRO/X as well. Unless you're saying both don't have jaguar CPU.Heck i heard control ran like hot doodoo on base consoles
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Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Bryank75
Banned
Releasing a console later and at a higher price isn't a win.
If they had released x1x at the same time and price as Pro then it would have been a win. If the OG had released same date as PS2 and same price or cheaper, then it might have been a win.
Only win hardware-wise I feel was 360 v PS3 and 360 still had rrod.
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Fake
Member
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I'd to see how well it helps Jedi Fallen Order in performance mode.
GHG
Gold Member
You literally said:
Microsoft is always pushing the envelope...
And
Can't say that about Sony.
So I'll ask again, did the original Xbox One not exist? Was that them pushing the envelope while Sony weren't?
The PS3 was theoretically more powerful than the 360 for what it's worth, it was just a bitch to develop games for.
All that matters ofc is the last released one.
Its always pro vs X nobody cares about ps4 nor xbox one .
Heck i heard control ran like hot doodoo on base consoles
Control runs like "hot doodoo" on all consoles.
Fake
Member
IDK what are you looking for posting console war stuff here. Control runs terrible in all consoles because of the Jaguar CPU.
If you want I can send you the link of the Digital Foundry video proving that.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
This video could have been a general next-gen console video since both will be supporting 2.1 spec.
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01011001
Banned
kinda weird that not a single game on One X supports a 120fps mode yet... there are plenty of smaller titles that should be able to deliver that, especially games that already run at 60fps on One S with plenty of overhead.
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CeeJay
Member
DF discuss cutting edge tech. Don't you find it interesting that an under powered console has some next gen features well before they were mainstream?
ethomaz
Banned
Shut up... MS is pushing the envelop