Moses85
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Just call him „wannabe“
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Chromata
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What are the odds that Osiris was referencing something else, Zhuge was just making a joke (both Fortnite related), and that other guy announced he's going to a new york vacation, which all just happen to fall at around Feb 5th?
Of course it's the rumour mill so it can all easily just be one person playing off another, but they all seem like convenient coincidences if so.
Reindeer
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The faster load times will still be the main feature of SSD as at 7GBs it won't even be on DDR3 level, which is very slow for virtual ram. Even Sony highlighted the loading times for SSD and didn't mention anything else. They could use it as virtual ram, but the speeds are extremely slow compared to GDDR6 (100X slower) and I doubt it will make as much difference as some people think. It could maybe aid with streaming certain assets a bit faster.
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ethomaz
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Exactly.
Sony showed a demo exemple of one of the thinks you can do with faster SDD and it was not better loading times
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DeepEnigma
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Okami Haundo
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I appreciate you for spelling this out. I had seen a few others mention the virtual RAM idea, but I didn't know how close the speeds were. Looks like it might be too big of a gap for that theory to hold water.
Rossco EZ
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ethomaz
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Actually you can make your SSD works as a virtual RAM in Windows.
How to Use Ssd As RAM: 12 Steps (with Pictures) - wikiHow
This wikiHow teaches you how to use extra space on your Solid State Drive (SSD) as virtual RAM on a Windows PC. If you have a Mac with an internal SSD drive, macOS will automatically manage your virtual memory settings. Right-click . It's...
www.wikihow.com
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geordiemp
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Your uncetainty priciple means you cannot observe the insider and be an insider at the same time.
A physics joke - I will get my hat
Fun Fanboy
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Because that's how everyone wants to zip around spider man!Exactly.
Sony showed a demo exemple of one of the thinks you can do with faster SDD and it was not better loading times
Okami Haundo
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Actually you can make your SSD works as a virtual RAM in Windows.
How to Use Ssd As RAM: 12 Steps (with Pictures) - wikiHow
This wikiHow teaches you how to use extra space on your Solid State Drive (SSD) as virtual RAM on a Windows PC. If you have a Mac with an internal SSD drive, macOS will automatically manage your virtual memory settings. Right-click . It's...
I appreciate your feedback too! So VRAM is an option, but it's far from ideal and doesn't come close to the speed for GDDR6.
Lort
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What the hell does more elegant RT mean... it looks pretty when u zoom in with an electron microscope?
I’m guessing u mean it’s slower but easier to use.
DeepEnigma
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It doesn't have to. You can offload far less demanding tasks (that don't need GDDR6's full bandwidth) that can run congruent and not need to take up any RAM footprint, and it's also amazing for hot swapping assets in an out on the fly compared to slow ass mechanical junk.
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HeisenbergFX4
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01011001
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Sony showed a demo exemple of one of the thinks you can do with faster SDD and it was not better loading times
they showed a fast flight through the world in spiderman, which has to do with load times. streaming assets on the fly is literally just that. it speeds up the time these assets need to be loaded.
also these were PS4 grade assets and since both next gen systems will use UHD Blurays we can assume that file sizes for these assets will go up significantly throughout the generation. so streaming in assets will slow down as file sizes for textures etc. goes up.
Slings and Arrows
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PS5 to be unveiled during a special Apex Legends event?
Dee Dah Dave
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Are we still on magical SSD’s which somehow make the GPU twice as powerful?
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Reindeer
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Some people here think it will do the impossible without looking at the technology at hand and what its limits are. I'm not sure how fast 7GBs can stream such demanding data compared to 750+GBs of GDDR6 and if there really is benefit in doing so. Maybe they could offload simpler assets and tasks to it, but I doubt it could do much at speeds below GDDR3 that is in base Xbox One. Again, simpler stuff will probably be offloaded to it to take strain off main memory, but this won't make as much difference as some people think. Clever devs like Naughty Dog will probably utilise it efficiently.
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Kampfradler
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Could it be that the GPU of the xbox has more flops to compensate for the disadvantage of the rt performance ?
So the xbox would be slower than the ps5 in games with many rt effects, but faster in pure rasterization performance;
is it necessary to sacrifice die space for better rt ? (because of the dedicated hardware ?)
So the xbox would be slower than the ps5 in games with many rt effects, but faster in pure rasterization performance;
is it necessary to sacrifice die space for better rt ? (because of the dedicated hardware ?)
Lort
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This talk of SSD 7 being bigger than 4 making a difference is rediculous ... sure 7 IS bigger than 4.
But your game will run out of things to load after 60 seconds compared to 30 seconds ... if your game is 1 terabyte.
How BIG do you think next gen games will be?
There’s no point being able to stream a bit faster when there is NOTHING new to stream.
I mentioned this before yet you all seem to be ignoring this ridiculously simple and obvious point.
But your game will run out of things to load after 60 seconds compared to 30 seconds ... if your game is 1 terabyte.
How BIG do you think next gen games will be?
There’s no point being able to stream a bit faster when there is NOTHING new to stream.
I mentioned this before yet you all seem to be ignoring this ridiculously simple and obvious point.
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Niked
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What mini nuke?
saintjules
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We'll see in less than two weeks.
It's funny. On Feb. 5th We're getting our Cesspool pumped at the House. I'll see if it's still full of shit after. If it is, the rumors are false. It will be the ultimate epiphany.
HeisenbergFX4
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TJC
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What has he got wrong specifically? Not questioning your judgement but unless I'm mistaken he dosent have ALOT of info. He got the PS4 pro right went back and
Seen a few posts about foxygames now and I have listened to podcasts and videos from him going back since 2016.
I'm not sure when Osiris dumped his info on here but Foxy has been talking about "chiplet" RT for Sony for around 1 year now.
I also remember a video nearly 2 Years old talking about he had heard RT on PS5 for which he got ridiculed as a fanboy until Cerny confirmed it.
He claims his source is a engineer at Sony quite low down in the food chain though so he dosent get complete information.
This isn't intended to come across as a defense for him people can believe what they like though of course. He seems like a real person,tbh he drops so much stuff on Twitter that he could easily make a shitty YoudTube video daily if he liked for the extra clicks but he dosent.
Like everyone who knows someone with information it is second hand.
First post here so go easy on me
. Was gonna join RE but the people over there seem terrible!.
Seen a few posts about foxygames now and I have listened to podcasts and videos from him going back since 2016.
I'm not sure when Osiris dumped his info on here but Foxy has been talking about "chiplet" RT for Sony for around 1 year now.
I also remember a video nearly 2 Years old talking about he had heard RT on PS5 for which he got ridiculed as a fanboy until Cerny confirmed it.
He claims his source is a engineer at Sony quite low down in the food chain though so he dosent get complete information.
This isn't intended to come across as a defense for him people can believe what they like though of course. He seems like a real person,tbh he drops so much stuff on Twitter that he could easily make a shitty YoudTube video daily if he liked for the extra clicks but he dosent.
Like everyone who knows someone with information it is second hand.
First post here so go easy on me
. Was gonna join RE but the people over there seem terrible!.
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Reindeer
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There won't be as much difference as some folks here think there will.
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Gavin Stevens
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I’m just catching up with the comments but Im glad to see that some people are finally starting to see sense with the SSD. I swear some people actually expect it to have a beard and be the second coming.
It’s going to be a game changer, that is 100% certain. This is a fact.
On both systems.
Come on guys, enjoy the games, no matter what system. But the PS5 SSD isn’t going to be this game changing super invention that will revolutionise the way games are played. Whatever the PS5 SSD can do, the SX can do. You WILL get diminishing returns, and that will hold true for the first few years at the very least.
But as I said, BOTH machines are going to benefit massively from this. Im
Sorry if that doesn’t fit your one sided my box is better than yours argument (either side), but let’s not over sell it here.
It’s going to be a game changer, that is 100% certain. This is a fact.
On both systems.
Come on guys, enjoy the games, no matter what system. But the PS5 SSD isn’t going to be this game changing super invention that will revolutionise the way games are played. Whatever the PS5 SSD can do, the SX can do. You WILL get diminishing returns, and that will hold true for the first few years at the very least.
But as I said, BOTH machines are going to benefit massively from this. Im
Sorry if that doesn’t fit your one sided my box is better than yours argument (either side), but let’s not over sell it here.
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TherapistGaymer
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Who got the boot?
Yea, I think it's clear by now that they're going to be very similar machines and have very similar performance.
Handy Fake
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Currently marching around the 'Xbox Series X SSD' thread like a drunk Uncle at a wedding.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Which is exactly what you want. If one machine is far superior to the other, then the games will end up suffering, and one system will get even less. Then you go down a dark path of lack of competition.
See right now, Sony fans will have you think the Xbox is doomed. But the truth is, they offer the PlayStation healthy competition. Without competition, everything stagnates, and nothing improves. Things ultimately suffer.
You want in an ideal world, at least two going head to head. Otherwise if one dominates, everything ends up just going to shit.
Im happy with how things are, and don’t care who “leads”. I’m happy as well with the Switch being what it is. I would of course love a Nintendo console to be a powerful machine, just to see what Nintendo do with it. I mean look at luigis mansion 3, that game honest to god goes head to head with Xbox one and PS4 titles, it’s gorgeous. But alas, that’s just a pipe dream, forgive the pun.
Agnostic2020
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Klee said end of feb not 5 th . Don’t create fake news about someone bro . Not cool
edit : lol I just saw you wrote end of feb for Klee . Disregard my message . I need to hit the bed
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Why is everyone so focused on the sony hall, there is every possibility it's being held at a different venue. When they said no to E3 they made a point of saying they want the fans to feel apart of the playstation family and a year of celebration with the fans. Whats if open to the public, What if it's a much larger event than we expect? Sony hall isnt large enough for that.
hemo memo
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So nothing came out of
OsirisBlack
Nothing follows comment huh?
OsirisBlack
Nothing follows comment huh?
Agnostic2020
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So to you 11.3 tf vs 12 tf in favour of Xsx seems correct.
would you be surprised if ps5 ends up higher than xsx ? I mean since they r that close , a slight clock adjustment and u r set .
what do you “think”?
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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The true potential for the SSDs in next-gen consoles is treating the "virtual RAM' as a direct texture cache, particularly for texture assets not necessarily near the character (therefore don't need to be highest-quality) but still present in some form in the frame. So while the main RAM can be populated with model assets and such of the player and characters/objects directly near them in the frame, the SSD cache can be used for assets further out of view but still somewhere in the frame, which wouldn't need priority for constant update of highest-quality textures.
That's one example; with the NAND (or partition dedicated to the task) being memory-mapped, the potential is there for it to be useful for things aside from texture cache, but in almost all cases it would be for either tertiary details or non-essential (relative to immediate player engagement) data.
I mean in terms of fundamental features like GPU architecture, CPU family, SSD compatibility and memory type, yeah. Even in other areas potentially like RAM amount and memory bandwidth, where the differences won't be THAT big (i.e one system having 2x main memory bandwidth or amount vs. the other).
There's still some areas where I think one system could have a noticeable (at least on paper) advantage. Right now with PS5 that could be the SSD (most think it could be 5-6 GB/s for PS5 vs. 3 GB/s XSX) and maybe ray-tracing (that said, the footage of the hallways in the Project:Mara video was REALLY good imho, impressed me a lot more than the Hellblade 2 footage).
With XSX, seems like that'll be GPU raw compute, maybe RAM amount (probably 20GB GDDR6 on a 320-bit bus; PS5 could have 16 GB GDDR6 on 256-bit bus but also 4 or so GB of DDR4 for other tasks so that's technically 20GB...I'd be surprised if either go full clamshell and push like 32GB that way), memory bandwidth (potentially, unless they cheapened out for 14Gbps chips) and CPU clockspeed (just maybe 200-400MHz faster).
But none of those advantages are anywhere near a 2x increase except possibly the SSD for PS5. When you weigh all that together and also consider other factors outside of the system specs themselves, performance should be pretty much on par even for both systems with vast majority of 3rd-party releases. It'll mainly be the 1st-party stuff that can really flex their potential, and both companies have some of the best in the industry to make their systems performs very well.
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DeepEnigma
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I would love a peak inside that bag.
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HeisenbergFX4
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So to you 11.3 tf vs 12 tf in favour of Xsx seems correct.
would you be surprised if ps5 ends up higher than xsx ? I mean since they r that close , a slight clock adjustment and u r set .
what do you “think”?
I think they are that close yes and would not shock me in the least if PS5 ended up more powerful.
Nothing recently has changed my mind though on XsX having a power advantage, not yet anyhow.
As far as the numbers you quoted I have heard those numbers are super close I still have one little crazy birdie telling me to have reservations on the actual numbers being single digits when its said and done.
And he may very well have been hit in the head too many times but I trust him.
If only there was a poll here at the start of this thread to see where people voted on what numbers they think they might be.
44alltheway
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Have your sources said what the capabilities of a more powerful SSD would be. Thanks!
Agnostic2020
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So someone said they both might be single digit tf? Or just ps5? I m a bit confused here .
HeisenbergFX4
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I have heard from this one little voice in my head
that PS5 is about 9.5 and XsX is actually about 10 both measured in RDNA TFs.Take with as much salt as needed because this dude is the only one saying this.
Agnostic2020
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Got it . Thanks for clarification . Damn internet would melt if Xbox isn’t 12 Navi tf hahaI have heard from this one little voice in my head
Take with as much salt as needed because this dude is the only one saying this.
HeisenbergFX4
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I honestly don't hear much on the software side just hear what most others have heard that is a huge upgrade over current gen.
Agnostic2020
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Thanks Matt for all the clarification haha I mean heisenberg
jkI don’t know why in my mind you are either mike Ybarra or Matt . I need help
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HeisenbergFX4
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I honestly believe it is 12 in Navi but damn that Phil Spencer and his do the math its 2x more powerful statement bugs the crap out of me.
Unless he honestly thinks its hard for us to realize 12 actually is 2 X 6.
I don't think if it would be an issue if SeX is still more powerful than PS5. However, if SeX is 10 and PS5 is 12 then that would be an issue lol.
jackets with pockets
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Agnostic2020
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Yea “after 4 months of doing the calculation we came to conclusion that it’s twice the gpu power of x1x”
To be fair 12 being double 6 is extremely hard and needs careful calculation
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