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[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Btw, in Oberon regression tests they also cut of ROPs to 32, as well as bandwidth to 218GB/s in GEN1 (and 176GB/s in GEN0 mode).

On top of that, in Oberon_Native test its very clear that full chip is 36CUs, as can be found in comment section beside a test concerning BW when 18WGPs (36CUs) are used. Too many things are fitting for people to blindly hand waive it not the least the fact that all data was deleted from Git and Twitter.

The main reason I've seen people dismissing those tests is because of lack of ray-tracing (and unfortunately that caused some to try speculating PS5 didn't even have ray-tracing, which is a ridiculous assertion). But at the same time, why would they need ray-tracing enabled in the first place for PS4 and PS4 Pro back-compat testing?

They wouldn't, so it wasn't listed. Pretty simple conclusion. Now if there's some other PS5 chip out there that's had its benchmark testing kept more concealed than confidential intel at the NSA, and we happen to get some results testing of that leaked out sometime soon, then I'll gladly buy into that as very possible PS5 performance metrics.

That door is closing kinda fast, though. Hopefully we get some solid info from both Sony and MS on this stuff relatively soon (beyond what's already been provided, anyway).

 

[demigod]

Didn't Tommy Fisher state the SSD was far better ages ago? Not quantified necessarily, but I remember some PS5 >>>>> XSX type descriptors for SSD.

Yep. But I think the 2gb/s ssd xsx was out before he said this.

Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

The one thing that keeps me from fully buying into Klee was when he said people will probably be disappointment by the numbers (I can’t find where he said it now but I know I read it.) Then he says the 12tf number isn’t a surprise to him. Who in their right mind was going to be disappointed by...

www.neogaf.com

 

[xool]

As per the devkit around half of both vents are blocked off.

I dunno.

tbh we should be able to the see the rear of the DVD drive on the right side too .. maybe there is something there in lighter grey

even so cards with ~300W power draw have smaller vents than that

[edit] here's a pic of a Vega 64 (~295W) - even though the slot is ~4"x2" nearly half the width is taken up with ports, leaving ~4 square inchs for the vent .. (probably less)

It'll be fine. It's not like MS has history with consoles bricking due to heat issues or anything like that/ cmon now

 

[ethomaz]

Source: https://www.globallegalinsights.com...public-offerings-laws-and-regulations/finland

That closes the case.
They can hide the deal and discloses when they wish.

 

[Brudda26]

I dunno.

tbh we should be able to the see the rear of the DVD drive on the right side too .. maybe there is something there in lighter grey

even so cards with ~300W power draw have smaller vents than that

You cant really compare it to a GPU in a PC as a PC usually has around 4 case fans pulling in air.

 

[Gamernyc78]

PS3 costed 499$.

Nope there was a 499 and 599 console at launch. 600 was 60 GB and was more readily available and had bc. let's not do revisionist history. My ps3 phat came out to 600 plus here in NYC at launch after tax.

 

[CuriousToe]

Yep. But I think the 2gb/s ssd xsx was out before he said this.

Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

The one thing that keeps me from fully buying into Klee was when he said people will probably be disappointment by the numbers (I can’t find where he said it now but I know I read it.) Then he says the 12tf number isn’t a surprise to him. Who in their right mind was going to be disappointed by...

www.neogaf.com

True. I guess what I'm saying is that Tommy has been pretty consistent with his message. He has also been fairly specific with stuff like a 6% CPU difference. It's not like he is posting vague words or riddles etc.
As a result, I'm inclined to give him the benefit of doubt while we're waiting for the reveal. And by benefit of the doubt, I mean at listen to what he has to say but continue to be sceptical of any insider claims.

 

[R600]

The main reason I've seen people dismissing those tests is because of lack of ray-tracing (and unfortunately that caused some to try speculating PS5 didn't even have ray-tracing, which is a ridiculous assertion). But at the same time, why would they need ray-tracing enabled in the first place for PS4 and PS4 Pro back-compat testing?

They wouldn't, so it wasn't listed. Pretty simple conclusion. Now if there's some other PS5 chip out there that's had its benchmark testing kept more concealed than confidential intel at the NSA, and we happen to get some results testing of that leaked out sometime soon, then I'll gladly buy into that as very possible PS5 performance metrics.

That door is closing kinda fast, though. Hopefully we get some solid info from both Sony and MS on this stuff relatively soon (beyond what's already been provided, anyway).

Actually the reason why there was no RT in ray tracing is because GPU block that contains it in Arden for example wasnt even tested in Oberon (these tests, for GPUs in doc, were separated by blocks).

Then there were blocks tested in Oberon that could not be found in Arden, but there is still info from both that we can read from and get general understanding of a chip.

Btw Oberon regression test was not a test for BC. Its just test to run prior confing on a chip and make sure these are still valid and bug free. In case they are not, these will be fixed.
Only reason there was no RT is because GPU block containing it wasnt part of regression test. CUs, bus width etc. can be determined from current data though...

 

[Gediminas]

Nope there was a 499 and 599 console at launch. 600 was 60 GB and was more readily available and had bc. let's not do revisionist history. My ps3 phat came out to 600 plus here in NYC at launch after tax.

i agree to that, but some people just ignore this fact.

 

[Self High Five]

Didn't Tommy Fisher state the SSD was far better ages ago? Not quantified necessarily, but I remember some PS5 >>>>> XSX type descriptors for SSD.

Please....that's been speculated since Cerny mentioned the SSD in the wired article (PS5 having the fastest SSD available at the time of the article) + the spiderman leak. People previously speculated that MS has a better solution to RT (Sony/wired had to confirm HW RT later on) while Sony a better SSD (more forthcoming on this feature compared to the GPU, etc)

NOW giving a specific multiplier the speeds after it is making the rumor rounds rcently just reeks of bullshit. I'm skeptical of Osiris & Heisenberg but at least their putting up specific numbers.

 

[SmokSmog]

PS3 CPU real power ( very slow as expected )

 

[xool]

You cant really compare it to a GPU in a PC as a PC usually has around 4 case fans pulling in air.

GPU's have a air tunnel - the air has to go through that hole

I don't want to insult PC users, but I think sometimes they get a little carried away with fans and lights and stuff .. more than they actually need maybe

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Actually the reason why there was no RT in ray tracing is because GPU block that contains it in Arden for example wasnt even tested in Oberon (these tests, for GPUs in doc, were separated by blocks).

Then there were blocks tested in Oberon that could not be found in Arden, but there is still info from both that we can read from and get general understanding of a chip.

Btw Oberon regression test was not a test for BC. Its just test to run prior confing on a chip and make sure these are still valid and bug free. In case they are not, these will be fixed.
Only reason there was no RT is because GPU block containing it wasnt part of regression test. CUs, bus width etc. can be determined from current data though...

Ah okay, appreciate the clarifications. Wasn't aware of the blocking utilized for the testing (and I paid so much attention to the Ariel and Oberon listings that I didn't pay as much attention to Arden x3).

True. I guess what I'm saying is that Tommy has been pretty consistent with his message. He has also been fairly specific with stuff like a 6% CPU difference. It's not like he is posting vague words or riddles etc.
As a result, I'm inclined to give him the benefit of doubt while we're waiting for the reveal. And by benefit of the doubt, I mean at listen to what he has to say but continue to be sceptical of any insider claims.

There was a situation a while ago where a ton of stuff he was saying, was found out to have came from a multiple months-old document spec sheet easily accessible to anyone with an internet connection. And IIRC, there was no credible source to that doc sheet, either, there was nothing any more special to it than some of the Reddit and 4chan spec sheet "leaks" that have popped up recently.

Most people were thinking he was giving new info because they had already forgotten the sheet he was pulling it from (while trading off as an insider) or because said sheet never got that much traction in the first place. After that happened I pretty much wrote them off.

IMHO Fisher doesn't have the level of credibility of Heisenberg, Osiris or Klee. Granted I don't believe everything those guys are saying, either, but at least they've somewhat gone through a vetting process and haven't been caught posting stuff publicly available for months beforehand like it was insider knowledge.

 

[CuriousToe]

Please....that's been speculated since Cerny mentioned the SSD in the wired article (PS5 having the fastest SSD available at the time of the article) + the spiderman leak. People previously speculated that MS has a better solution to RT (Sony/wired had to confirm HW RT later on) while Sony a better SSD (more forthcoming on this feature compared to the GPU, etc)

NOW giving a specific multiplier the speeds after it is making the rumor rounds rcently just reeks of bullshit. I'm skeptical of Osiris & Heisenberg but at least their putting up specific numbers.

I see where you're coming from. I just don't see any more reason to question Tommy over someone like Osiris or Heisenberg. His claims are consistent and not entirely vague. We'll all know soon enough whether to ignore every word he says, or to listen to him.

 

[Ruben43cb]

I built a PC a long time ago. Best processor at the time and crossfire 6970s overclocked with 16gb ram. Thing is so old now just sits on its motherboard under my entertainment unit on hardwood... it links to play shows. I dont use it for games but still does pretty damn great considering its like 9 years old, still runs them ok. But obv use my one x and ps4 pro. But those 6970s still go... 0 air movement there haha

But maybe cooling in those boxes is A ok regardless of power of the cards as long as the hot air is getting out

 

[ManaByte]

I see where you're coming from. I just don't see any more reason to question Tommy over someone like Osiris or Heisenberg. His claims are consistent and not entirely vague. We'll all know soon enough whether to ignore every word he says, or to listen to him.

I think this place didn't learn a thing from 2013 and the bullshit FUD that was flung around by fake insiders "verified" by an activist mod prior to the console launches then.

 

[R600]

Ah okay, appreciate the clarifications. Wasn't aware of the blocking utilized for the testing (and I paid so much attention to the Ariel and Oberon listings that I didn't pay as much attention to Arden x3).

Yea, RT is in GLX block. There are 20+ of them tested, but not all for every chip.

 

[Fun Fanboy]

Nope there was a 499 and 599 console at launch. 600 was 60 GB and was more readily available and had bc. let's not do revisionist history. My ps3 phat came out to 600 plus here in NYC at launch after tax.

We were told to get a second job for the 599 console back then, right?

 

[Brudda26]

GPU's have a air tunnel - the air has to go through that hole

I don't want to insult PC users, but I think sometimes they get a little carried away with fans and lights and stuff .. more than they actually need maybe

Yes you have the GPU shroud encasing the card with the vent port at the back. Point being all those case fans pull in shitloads of air increasing the airflow therefore giving you more efficient cooling.

 

[Lampiao]

Just need to remind you things that i said before for the last time\
GPU: PS5>SeX ~10%
RayTracing Accelerators: PS5>X1 (PS5's RT works by using acceleration structures and algorithms much like nVidia's RTX cores)
CPU: Sex>PS5 ~ 6%
Memory: PS5>Sex for the size and bandwidth
SSD: PS5>Sex ~ Over twice as fast (this is the biggest and most noticable difference)
Fan noise (Dev-Kit): Sex>PS5 (not as egregious 1x vs. Pro).

BTW it's up to you believe me or not, but things gonna be clear very soon and you will find out who knows and who knows shit.

Bonus?
Remedy and Housemarque have been in Sony's WWS family for a while now!

Techland belongs to MS now!

So...?

	CPU	GPU	Mem	RT	SSD	FAN
XSX	3.4	12/12.4	16/20	no idea	no ideia	silent
PS5	3.2	13.2/13.6	20/24	better than no idea	no ideia x 2	better than pro

 

[Gamernyc78]

We were told to get a second job for the 599 console back then, right?

Lol yeah like idiots thy were.

 

[David Ricardo]

I see where you're coming from. I just don't see any more reason to question Tommy over someone like Osiris or Heisenberg. His claims are consistent and not entirely vague. We'll all know soon enough whether to ignore every word he says, or to listen to him.

He has been proven wrong in several parts of his leaks. Actually, I don't think he's ever been right about anything he leaked. So he has a track record of 0% good leaks. Maybe he is right in everything else, but statistically believing him is a mistake.

 

[Investor9872]

Nope there was a 499 and 599 console at launch. 600 was 60 GB and was more readily available and had bc. let's not do revisionist history. My ps3 phat came out to 600 plus here in NYC at launch after tax.

Did you get it at the Union Square Virgin Megastore?

 

[Gamernyc78]

Did you get it at the Union Square Virgin Megastore?

I don't remember I think I got it from a mom and pop store tht I use to go to in Manhattan, downtown in financial district called Nassau Electronics. I use to go there bcus thy use to get street broken games and everything early, even consoles. He had a crazy connect but I stopped going there bcus the guy died (rip), his brother took over and must have lost the connect.

 

[Mochilador]

What the hell is going on? Is Tommy Fisher legit?

 

[01011001]

PS3 CPU real power ( very slow as expected )

joooo... I know that a lot of people overstate the CPU performance of the PS3, but these benchmarks seem very slow.
like worse than a 1.5ghz single core single threaded amd?

 

[Tarkus98]

Anyone got an update on Cerny's location?

Peacefully resting in a hot tub on the lower east side overlooking the marvelous Manhattan skyline. Grinning slyly while perusing GAF from his retail PS5.

 

[Gamernyc78]

Did you get it at the Union Square Virgin Megastore?

What the hell is going on? Is Tommy Fisher legit?

See my above post about how he went to mods previously but didn't want to give up sources.

 

[Gamernyc78]

Peacefully resting in a hot tub on the lower east side overlooking the marvelous Manhattan skyline. Grinning slyly while perusing GAF from his retail PS5.

I should go visit him!! (pause)

 

[Brudda26]

joooo... I know that a lot of people overstate the CPU performance of the PS3, but these benchmarks seem very slow.
like worse than a 1.5ghz single core single threaded amd?

I havent watched the video so I dont know how they benchmarking it. But it's probably because it was designed to work specifically for the ps3 and nothing else.

 

[wowbaggerBR]

What the hell is going on? Is Tommy Fisher legit?

Probably not? I mean, if you wanna go into such level of detail, like PS5 is x% better in this or worst on that, you might as well just release the hard spec numbers, like CU count, clocks and whatnot. This stuff should be final by now, at least if you compare it with the last gen.

He paints himself as a true insider, but to be fair, he has nothing to lose by just making stuff up: fairly new account, not verified and etc.

So, as every other insider, probably just someone trolling or seeking attention.

 

[chessy_08]

To the tech savy gaffers, Could Sony use the extra power of the ps5 to upscale image quality in psvr the reduce the screen door effect?

 

[01011001]

I havent watched the video so I dont know how they benchmarking it. But it's probably because it was designed to work specifically for the ps3 and nothing else.

it wasn't designed for the PS3 specifically. the Cell CPU was designed for servers and other pro level stuff.

the PS3 just happened to be the first commercial use of it

and for example, the 360 uses 3 modified versions of the Cell's main cpu core in it's tricore CPU

 

[farmerboy]

#ibelievetommyfisherandosirisblack

 

[CuriousToe]

He has been proven wrong in several parts of his leaks. Actually, I don't think he's ever been right about anything he leaked. So he has a track record of 0% good leaks. Maybe he is right in everything else, but statistically believing him is a mistake.

I didn't know that. What parts? I recall some discussion around caches but otherwise haven't seen anything else.

 

[TLZ]

Do not be so nervous, soon you will know the truth. And from there we will see who was right and who was not.

 

[Mrdeveus]

True. I guess what I'm saying is that Tommy has been pretty consistent with his message. He has also been fairly specific with stuff like a 6% CPU difference. It's not like he is posting vague words or riddles etc.
As a result, I'm inclined to give him the benefit of doubt while we're waiting for the reveal. And by benefit of the doubt, I mean at listen to what he has to say but continue to be sceptical of any insider claims.

while everyone else is saying the consoles are basically twins except for a couple differences like the SSD he makes it sound like the PS5 has a very monstrous difference than the XseX

 

[Insane Metal]

	CPU	GPU	SSD	RT	RAM
XSX	3.5 Ghz	11-12TF	1TB 2.3GB/s	Similar to 1080Ti	16GB GDDR6 (+ 4GB DDR4?)
PS5	3.2 Ghz	12-13TF	1TB 5GB/s	Similar to RTX series	18GB GDDR6 + 4GB DDR4

Here's my two cents. About the 18GB I have no idea how that will work but I have a good reason to believe it. Maybe there's some 2GB reserved separately for the RT? No idea.

 

[01011001]

I didn't know that. What parts? I recall some discussion around caches but otherwise haven't seen anything else.

he said Remedy was secretly taken over by Sony a while ago. Remedy is publicly traded and it seems Finish law states you have to publicly disclose a majot change like that in the company.

so that's fucking weird to say the least

 

[Norse]

Soooooo, doesn't it seem odd to anyone here that we have yet to see any leaked photos of xsx Dev kit? Seems all the leaks are ps5 related and xsx info is all based on "2x x1x".

 

[01011001]

Soooooo, doesn't it seem odd to anyone here that we have yet to see any leaked photos of xsx Dev kit? Seems all the leaks are ps5 related and xsx info is all based on "2x x1x".

for all we know the Series X dev kits are just PC towers at this state.

later dev kits usually start to look like retail Xbox hardware but early Microsoft dev kits are known to just be PC cases with the hardware put into them

 

[Ruben43cb]

If xbox comes in weaker then who knows where MS head is at

Too late to go get studios and damage control. That was supposed to be this generation.

They need to come out swinging and keep showing new games. But the box has gotta have an edge or there is no reason to "switch sides" for the ps4 folks.

I've always had both consoles. But if xsx is indeed weaker even I may just go the PC and ps5 route. And I love xbox... (love both)

Had a switch but zzzz for me. The nostalgia gets me everytime then I get their new console and play an hour and zzzz

Havnt been excited about PC upgrading for a while and I am getting more and more pumped. When the big boy cards come out at 20Tflop+ it is going to be awesome

Time will tell....

 

[Mrdeveus]

So...?

	CPU	GPU	Mem	RT	SSD	FAN
XSX	3.4	12/12.4	16/20	no idea	no ideia	silent
PS5	3.2	13.2/13.6	20/24	better than no idea	no ideia x 2	better than pro

I think they both are 16GB gddr6 Ram and GPU is 12.4 XseX, PS5 12.8. CPU XseX 3.6, PS5 3.2. SSD 2.5 on XSeX, PS5 is 5.0.

 

[Fnord]

$599 at launch.

Ohhhhh I forget they had the useless 20GB model at $499... it was a model that can’t even play some games lol

I bought the 20GB model at launch. And I never had a problem playing a single game. The only major thing it was missing was WiFi. And since WiFi is for chumps, and I'm not a chump, I didn't miss it.

Had the HDD not been user replaceable, that might have been a concern. But when it came time to upgrade, it took all of five minutes.

 

[CuriousToe]

he said Remedy was secretly taken over by Sony a while ago. Remedy is publicly traded and it seems Finish law states you have to publicly disclose a majot change like that in the company.

so that's fucking weird to say the least

I'm not going to try and bat for Tommy. However that Finish law was not clear, in fact it says it's only required in some circumstances. At least, that was my interpretation of it. I'm happy to be corrected though!

while everyone else is saying the consoles are basically twins except for a couple differences like the SSD he makes it sound like the PS5 has a very monstrous difference than the XseX

I didn't see a monstrous difference? In fact, Tommy's specs look like they're SUPER close with the exception of the SSD. Much closer than the XB1 and PS4 launch.

Anyway, I really have not interest in debating whether he is right or wrong. I honestly have no idea. I just want to know the official specs already so I can confidently ignore anyone who was wrong.

 

[Fnord]

Nope there was a 499 and 599 console at launch. 600 was 60 GB and was more readily available and had bc. let's not do revisionist history. My ps3 phat came out to 600 plus here in NYC at launch after tax.

$499 model had BC, too.

 

[Soadi]

After all that's been going around it just doesn't seem possible for the Series X to be the least powerful machine between the two I mean we've been hearing this premium price tag, and that MS is coming around with a lot of exclusives, the aquisition this gen of many studios, all the money they have and still can't go on ahead of PS5? I mean c'mon.

Thinking more about it since they were released only the original Xbox was superior right? Excluding the mid refresh this gen, not counting those.

 

[CuriousToe]

If xbox comes in weaker then who knows where MS head is at

Too late to go get studios and damage control. That was supposed to be this generation.

They need to come out swinging and keep showing new games. But the box has gotta have an edge or there is no reason to "switch sides" for the ps4 folks.

I've always had both consoles. But if xsx is indeed weaker even I may just go the PC and ps5 route. And I love xbox... (love both)

Had a switch but zzzz for me. The nostalgia gets me everytime then I get their new console and play an hour and zzzz

Havnt been excited about PC upgrading for a while and I am getting more and more pumped. When the big boy cards come out at 20Tflop+ it is going to be awesome

Time will tell....

This is pretty much my biggest concern with all of the PS5 > XSX 'leaks'. That would seem like a monumental misstep for Microsoft. I just don't see it after the X1X and all of their messaging about Power.

 

[David Ricardo]

I didn't know that. What parts? I recall some discussion around caches but otherwise haven't seen anything else.

When he shared PS5 specs, L1 cache numbers were not compatible with RDNA GPU.
The Remedy part has already been explained to you by another member. It's publicly traded, so if it had been bought by Sony we would have already heard about it by now,
He shares noise comparisons between devkits which are not representative of noise levels in final consoles.

He doesn't look reliable at all.

 

[Represent.]

its safe to say that no one knows shit about shit.

we wont know shit until the shit is revealed