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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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TGO

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VFXVeteran said:
"It is very possible" is the same thing as "could". And since you know what I was trying to say and it makes sense what I was trying to say, where's the offense? Why do I have to have an "agenda" when I talk about these next-gen consoles in a more realistic light as opposed to the rose-colored glasses theory or the next-gen consoles being hardware that you can make film VFX on? Look at how you guys respond with Godfall. That's pretty much current gen with quite a few emissive light sources and it looks like "garbage"? I don't understand what kind of graphics you guys expect with hardware running at the level of a 1080Ti?
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I personally how no clue what to expect from Next-Gen.
But it certainly isn't Godfall
 
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splattered

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Drunk cat said on twitter earlier there's been a major delay w ps5 and people will be in tears? Was this posted in this thread already dont recall seeing it.
 
it_wasn't_me

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David Ricardo said:
Not all of his relevant posts are in his threadmarks:
Here he says he 100% backs up everything Matt says answering to a post where they talk about Matt predicting Xbox to be more powerful in the end
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ne...ion-launch-thread-ot7-nm.148625/post-26305316

Mostly they both say they will be neigh indistinguisable.

I think there is a more specific post from klee replying something along the same lines to the original post from Matt where he said he would guess xbox would end up on top, but I can't find it right now.
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Oh, that post. I see. Thanks! That's was during November. No need for Matt's post. I've posted it here few weeks ago. He said it was "educated" guess because X1X. Btw. Klee literally said after XSX reveal that he didn't changed his mind about PS5>XSX FLOPS and also before that there is a possibility for double percentage difference in terms of FLOPS. About 2-3 months ago.
 
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Coulomb_Barrier

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I'm leaning towards VFXVet and Heisenborgs info of a 9-10tflop PS5 but like Vet says, flops is only one metric of perf. So which system has faster memory access, for example?

I'm leaning this way as Osiris, who claims 12-13tflop PS5, was shot down by rock-solid source Jason Schrier with his claim about the Supes game. Also, his claims are very fantastical.
 
pawel86ck

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VFXVeteran said:
That's actually not the exception to the rule. Every single multiplatform game this current gen had more than just increased shadow resolution. Some games had higher res textures, parallax occlusion mapping present, and tessellation as well as much higher LOD with some added assets. That's not even taking into account the some of the shader details like higher sampling rate for anisotropic filtering and much better approximation ambient occlusion. Some games use Nvidia Experience custom features like PhysX for hair and actual ray-marched volume smoke and dust (ala Batman AK). ALL of those things I stated is what the next-gen consoles will be doing as well. Hence, you've already seen next-gen like capabilities in the PC games already.



Agreed. but Detroit isn't the only game. There are more games that can overload the 2080Ti.
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Your list of improvements looks impressive on paper, however most of the time I have to use screenshot comparsion in order to see these small differences between PC and PS4/P games. That's not the case when it comes to lets say GTA5 port on PC, because this particular game looks like it was made with next generation hardware in mind compared to x360/PS3 version. The difference in assets quality, grass density, LOD, and lighting is just HUGE. Even my sister (a totall casual) could tell the difference.

When it comes to Detroit, PC version looks just a little bit better overall compared to PS4 version, but improvement isnt nearly as big compared to what Rockstar did with GTA5. So why you have changed your mind? When Detroit was PS4 exclusive game looked unimpressive to you, but now when PC version looks maybe 15% better (improved SRR reflection and AO and shadows resolution) you finally say it's one of the most impressive looking games? I have already asked you this question, but for some reason you are avoiding answering it.

compared with someone with experience
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I know you worked in the movie industry and you also build rockets, however you never wrote you have experience as game developer.

you'd rather call me out on me knowing very little because it doesn't fit your imagination of next-gen and that's the reason why I get trolled
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I'm not trolling you and in fact I'm not even disrespecting you like some people here (and especially on ERA). I'm just asking obvious questions when your opinions are clearly wrong. Before you ridiculed people who expected 1080ti level of performance (even when 5700XT was already out) and now you are also saying we should expect 1080ti. Man from my perspective it looks like you are the one who is trolling us, not the other way around.
 
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chemical boy

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There is one thing I do not quite understand. Why can't exact data be given? That is to say that if I say that Xbox SX has 12.1 TFLOPS and it turns out to be true, I'm putting my source in danger? That makes no sense, giving an exact number on the internet would not pose any risk to the sources, neither MS nor SONY can discover you by giving those figures. Very different series to filter all the specifications, there if they can catch you, but exact data of the GPU? It is by no means a risk to anyone.
 
demigod

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Coulomb_Barrier said:
I'm leaning towards VFXVet and Heisenborgs info of a 9-10tflop PS5 but like Vet says, flops is only one metric of perf. So which system has faster memory access, for example?

I'm leaning this way as Osiris, who claims 12-13tflop PS5, was shot down by rock-solid source Jason Schrier with his claim about the Supes game. Also, his claims are very fantastical.
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Osiris never said the superman was exclusive. I’m guessing they have marketing rights or some kind of dlc exclusive.

Also heisen said his sources are in the 11-12, only 1 of his source is in the 9tf.
 
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Reindeer

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pawel86ck said:
Your list of improvements looks impressive on paper, however most of the time I have to use screenshot comparsion in order to see these small differences. That's not the case when it comes to lets say GTA5 port on PC, because this particular game looks like it was made with next generation hardware compared to x360/PS3 version. Even my sister (a totall casual) could tell the difference.

When it comes to Detroit, PC version looks just a little bit better overall compared to PS4 version, but improvement isnt nearly as big compared to what Rockstar did with GTA5. So why you have changed your mind? When Detroit was PS4 exclusive game looked unimpressive to you, but now when PC version looks maybe 15% better (improved SRR reflection and AO and shadows resolution) you finally say it's one of the most impressive looking games? I have already asked you this question, but for some reason you are avoiding answering it.


I know you worked in the movie industry and you also build rockets, however you never wrote you have experience as game developer.


I'm not trolling you and in fact I'm not even disrespecting you like some people here (and especially on ERA). I'm just asking obvious questions when your opinions are clearly wrong. Before you ridiculed people who expected 1080ti level of performance (even when 5700XT was already out) and now you are also saying we should expect 1080ti. Man from my perspective it looks like you are the one who is trollinig us, not the other way around.
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Detroit looks identical on PC and PS4 Pro besides resolution. It was made with consoles in mind and therefore doesn't scale well. I fear same thing could happen to HZD, although 60+ FPS will still be an improvement. A game like GTA5 came at the end of alst generation so it was made to scale for upcoming gen and bviously PCs. GTA5 was not primarily made for one console without planned PC release.
 
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pawel86ck

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Reindeer said:
Dude, Detroit looks identical on PC and PS4 Pro besides resolution. It was made with consoles in mind and therefore doesn't scale well. I fear same thing could happen to HZD, although 60+ FPS will still be an improvement. A game like GTA5 came at the end of alst generation so it was made to scale for upcoming gen and bviously PCs. GTA5 was not primarily made for one console without planned PC release.
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Agree, I also think Detroit on PC looks comparable to PS4P, but according to VFXVeteran detroit on PC looks much better. Like I have said, he wasnt impressed when Detroit was PS4 exclusive and now when game is finally ported to PC he totally changed his mind.
 
Agnostic2020

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David Ricardo said:
@EviLore could you please have a look at HeisenbergFX4 HeisenbergFX4 recent posts and explain to us all how it would be possible for him to be vetted and posting in good faith?
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I hope we are not becoming like RE and harass every insider we see because we might not like what they have to say ?
as far as I m concerned HeisenbergFX4 HeisenbergFX4 is the most solid insider we have in this thread (hey Matt , we love u 😂). I m a ps guy and if he is saying he has heard ps is a bit weaker , so be it . We can’t fight And harass every insider we find .
 
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Reindeer said:
Detroit looks identical on PC and PS4 Pro besides resolution. It was made with consoles in mind and therefore doesn't scale well. I fear same thing could happen to HZD, although 60+ FPS will still be an improvement. A game like GTA5 came at the end of alst generation so it was made to scale for upcoming gen and bviously PCs. GTA5 was not primarily made for one console without planned PC release.
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The whole point of this VFX guy is to remind us all that PCs are faster, like it is "the new gluten is bad" or the greatest revelation ever. You guys pay way too much attention to him.
 
Reindeer

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farmerboy said:
He can claim what he wants. I highly doubt Sony will allow a first party game to look better on alternative hardware.
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There has never been a case where a AAA game on a console looked worse than its preque from last last gen on PC. Such a thing has never happened, it's absurd to think that it can happen now that next gen consoles are rumoured to be so powerful.

I'm not hating on VFX, I'm sure I'm nobody compared to him when it comes to these things, but this one is obvious even to laymen like myself.
 
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SilentFlyer

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splattered said:
Drunk cat said on twitter earlier there's been a major delay w ps5 and people will be in tears? Was this posted in this thread already dont recall seeing it.
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And Matt on twitter said that we'll know if the event happening soon. I wouldn't believe anything cat would say.
 
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VFXVeteran

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pawel86ck said:
When it comes to Detroit, PC version looks just a little bit better overall compared to PS4 version, but improvement isnt nearly as big compared to what Rockstar did with GTA5. So why you have changed your mind? When Detroit was PS4 exclusive game looked unimpressive to you, but now when PC version looks maybe 15% better (improved SRR reflection and AO and shadows resolution) you finally say it's one of the most impressive looking games? I have already asked you this question, but for some reason you are avoiding answering it.
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When I bought Detroit for the PS4, I did comment on how it looked amazing and the best looking PS game to date. I don't remember which forum it was when I wrote it, but I've always loved the look and accomplishment of the game. I also liked The Order for it's excellent shader usage. And you stating the PC is only 15% better is throwing out imaginary numbers. You can't do that and be taken seriously. Your eyes may not see the differences in quality but for my eyes it could be jarring but you should read the review of the PC version to see what they had that they couldn't release on the PS version.

I know you worked in the movie industry and you also build rockets, however you never wrote you have experience as game developer.
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I have never been a game developer insomuch as I haven't written a game. But I have been a graphics developer in both realtime as well as offline -- which is what counts. I get opportunities all the time thrown my way from both industrys. Graphics is graphics, realtime is realtime. I haven't worked on a physics engine in a game, but I know physics of a rocket in flight. Same math, different platform. Because my career is so intertwined with gaming, it's a no-brainer that I have and do work with both parties. Nvidia/AMD don't work on game engines, but you wouldn't doubt their knowledge about graphics performance and/or features in a game would you? I've worked for a fellow coworker on the Matrix films and he's now the CTO of Epic Games. The jobs all mesh well and that's the reason why I'm vetted.
 
Bryank75

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VFXVeteran said:
When I bought Detroit for the PS4, I did comment on how it looked amazing and the best looking PS game to date. I don't remember which forum it was when I wrote it, but I've always loved the look and accomplishment of the game. I also liked The Order for it's excellent shader usage. And you stating the PC is only 15% better is throwing out imaginary numbers. You can't do that and be taken seriously. Your eyes may not see the differences in quality but for my eyes it could be jarring but you should read the review of the PC version to see what they had that they couldn't release on the PS version.



I have never been a game developer insomuch as I haven't written a game. But I have been a graphics developer in both realtime as well as offline -- which is what counts. I get opportunities all the time thrown my way from both industrys. Graphics is graphics, realtime is realtime. I haven't worked on a physics engine in a game, but I know physics of a rocket in flight. Same math, different platform. Because my career is so intertwined with gaming, it's a no-brainer that I have and do work with both parties. Nvidia/AMD don't work on game engines, but you wouldn't doubt their knowledge about graphics performance and/or features in a game would you? I've worked for a fellow coworker on the Matrix films and he's now the CTO of Epic Games. The jobs all mesh well and that's the reason why I'm vetted.
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I saw the first Matrix 9 times in cinema, what a film!
 
David Ricardo

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Agnostic2020 said:
I hope we are not becoming like RE and harass every insider we see because we might not like what they have to say ?
as far as I m concerned HeisenbergFX4 HeisenbergFX4 is the most solid insider we have in this thread (hey Matt , we love u 😂). I m a ps guy and if he is saying he has heard ps is a bit weaker , so be it . We can’t fight And harass every insider we find .
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He is the most solid insider ever, he can't fail. He said both are around 12 teraflops, there is a chance they are both around 9 teraflops, difference is around 10% in xbox favor but this can change. You can have any of them in any range between 8 and 13.3 teraflops, and he would be right.

I'm also a PS guy, and I don't care if the information favors my preferred console. When I see something fishy I say it. Tommy Fisher said PS5 was better in everything but noise and CPU clocks. 13.3 teraflops. That's my dream come true. But the specs he shared don't make sense, so I call him on his bullshit.
 
DJ12

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ethomaz said:
It was already explained dozen of times.
Why that fixing with that? lol

The official specs will be out soon enough... just relax.
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Maybe we can just mark him as vetted. His info is good, everyone believes he has contacts with the people he's told mod of war. So I don't see the point having him as a target for all neo member Playstation fans that don't like his sources tells him Xbox is slightly better.

Mod of War Mod of War do you think this is a good idea?
 
xool

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Soadi said:
Man I really need to play that game.
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Looks good in a gif doesn't it.

And PC players will be able to fix the atrocious field of view too. Like 90 degrees horizontal.

Not sure how easy it will be to fix the weak ass bow combat (feeling), and the "issues" with melee... Get ready for possibly the most empty open world ever - unless you like collecting pointless coffee cups .. yes literally coffee cups.

Some of the writing is good though - John Gonzales I think .. what there is of it .. because there's only about 10 written characters in the whole game.

[edit] -I'm spoilt
 
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ethomaz

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DJ12 said:
Maybe we can just mark him as vetted. His info is good, everyone believes he has contacts with the people he's told mod of war. So I don't see the point having him as a target for all neo member Playstation fans that don't like his sources tells him Xbox is slightly better.

Mod of War Mod of War do you think this is a good idea?
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I believe he asked to not have the Vetted seal.
 
David Ricardo

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ethomaz said:
It was already explained dozen of times.
Why that fixing with that? lol

The official specs will be out soon enough... just relax.
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Please explain to me how this 4 statements from the same person can all be true at the same time:
- Both consoles are around 12 teraflops.
- Maybe both are around 9 teraflops.
- I know the specs.
- Percentage difference is around 10% in Xbox favor.
 
Thedtrain

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DJ12 said:
Maybe we can just mark him as vetted. His info is good, everyone believes he has contacts with the people he's told mod of war. So I don't see the point having him as a target for all neo member Playstation fans that don't like his sources tells him Xbox is slightly better.

Mod of War Mod of War do you think this is a good idea?
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The only people that harass him are ones begging him to be “officially vetted.”
Its been discussed, leave it alone
 
xool

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David Ricardo said:
Please explain to me how this 4 statements from the same person can all be true at the same time:
- Both consoles are around 12 teraflops.
- Maybe both are around 9 teraflops.
- I know the specs.
- Percentage difference is around 10% in Xbox favor.
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I think he explained already - he said he heard from multiple sources that both are ~12TF, except one person who said PS5 is more like 9.

Don't shoot the messenger, me or him - he's been pretty straight about it when asked.
 
ethomaz

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David Ricardo said:
Please explain to me how this 4 statements from the same person can all be true at the same time:
- Both consoles are around 12 teraflops.
- Maybe both are around 9 teraflops.
- I know the specs.
- Percentage difference is around 10% in Xbox favor.
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C’mon did you really read his statements?

He have sources (multiples) that said the consoles are near each other in specs (~10% difference) and these sources said it is around 11-12Fs (one is 12.xTFs and other 11.x TFs).

Recently he said that one new source told him that specs are around 9-10TFs but he is not putting to much faith in these because it is only that new source saying that.

What more you need? The issue is in your head.
 
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David Ricardo said:
Please explain to me how this 4 statements from the same person can all be true at the same time:
- Both consoles are around 12 teraflops.
- Maybe both are around 9 teraflops.
- I know the specs.
- Percentage difference is around 10% in Xbox favor.
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That isnt what he said, if I recall correctly what was said is:
Both consoles are in the double digits and the xsx has a marginal TF advantage.
He is being told by another source they are around 9.5 to 10tf

For the other two I'm to tired to even bother.
 
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