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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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bitbydeath

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Weird just of words in that case. Why not just say a low power dev kit if you're trying to highlight power? Because in the context of the discussion (fast SSD), low speed would infer you're talking about the SSD (so as to say wow the final version will be even faster).

Unless they're referring to the clock of the GPU which would hint to it being at 2 Gghz giving further credence to the Github leak?
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Low-speed also means low power and since it rules out the SSD as being slow then that means the author is referring to the power of the machine.
 
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McHuj said:
I know people dismiss this, but coupled with a very fast SSD, it would be a really awesome console at that price. Probably easily 3X the GPU performance of the Pro and 4X the CPU. People would poo-poo the RAM amount, but even if it were 16 GB of GDDR6, some of it would likely be for the OS so why not just completely split those into 2 pools.
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I know there are people overjoyed at being able to sacrifice some power for a $399 price tag, but I’ve got to feel the vast majority of people, myself included, would be willing to shell out $100 more for a superior product, one they’ll be using for possibly the next 7 years.
And someone else pointed out, and it’s true, that SIE is much more of a worldwide company than MS so they have to take that into consideration when pricing as well.
 
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BlacknGold_Blood said:
I know there are people overjoyed at being able to sacrifice some power for a $399 price tag, but I’ve got to feel the vast majority of people, myself included, would be willing to shell out $100 more for a superior product, one they’ll be using for possibly the next 7 years. And someone else pointed out, and it’s true, that SIE is much more of a worldwide company than MS so they have to take that into consideration when pricing as well.
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As far as we know, its the other way around, the vast majority are in the 399 camp, not the 499 or, god forbid, the 599 camp.

But without some hard research, we dont know either way.
 
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But we also have to consider possible long-term goals of Sony - getting you to buy a PS5 Pro in 3 years. Hey, if GameStop is still around by then, buying a PS5 for $399, then getting $150 back in trade-in for a Pro doesn’t sound too bad. But still, I’d rather them sell me the Pro specs THIS YEAR.
 
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Dargor said:
As far as we know, its the other way around, the vast majority are in the 399 camp, not the 499 or, god forbid, the 599 camp.

But without some hard research, we dont know either way.
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Interesting...yeh I’m sure most people in the gaming forums are in the $499 camp, but hard to get a handle on the general public that doesn’t give a damn about specs.
 
Coulomb_Barrier

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StreetsofBeige said:
So PS5 still at 9.2TF?
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If it's 9.2tflops it's 9.2 RDNA tflops surely. So add at least 20% = 11.04 tflops GCN.

Anyway I'm putting some faith in that dev earlier today when he said we should not just look at flops but real performance.

This is a combination of CPU, GPU (tflops) and memory speed (and memory speed access) , SSD, as well as software (API). And how all those things are integrated.
 
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Coulomb_Barrier said:
Anyway I'm putting some faith in that dev earlier today when he said we should not just look at flops but real performance.

This is a combination of CPU, GPU (tflops) and memory speed (and memory speed access) , SSD, as well as software (API). And how all those things are integrated.
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That was a very interesting point to me. I mean, is it possible that consoles are only as powerful as their weakest link?
 
bitbydeath

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thicc_girls_are_teh_best

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bitbydeath said:
The tower came before the devkit we’ve seen. Testing in June/July is irrelevant as Ariel another supposed PS5 GPU was also tested then too and there’s just no way a 2GHZ final console would exist.
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Though Ariel was an earlier version of Oberon, not a whole other chip. Might've heard wrong tho.

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thicc_girls_are_teh_best

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mitchman said:
Why do you insist they knew despite written statements from a former Xbox manager saying the opposite. It was clear they knew when Sony announced it and not earlier, like he said. Do you really claim to have more insight in this than he does?
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Not "knew" as in they were absolutely certain, but...they very likely heard rumblings of Sony's 8GB plans prior to the official announcement, or at least were able to deduce the possibility they could've gone with 8GB since something like an increase in memory production is industry-wide news. These guys can draw inferences and conclusions based on events like that and news coming about.

Like I said, upper-level people at these companies have fairly good ideas where competitors are going regarding tech developments and plans. Many of them source components from the same companies, share certain supply chains and distribution channels, and are outright friendly with one another. If MS wasn't absolutely sure of Sony going with 8GB GDDR5 before the official announcement, they at least had enough to make an educated guess internally they most likely could've gone with 8GB GDDR5. That's all I'm trying to say.

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Yeah but it was still tested in June/July. And even then AMD shouldn’t be still testing in June/July after the devkits had already been distributed by Sony.

None of it make sense.
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Hopefully that can convince you a bit where I'm coming from on this, then. Why keep testing Oberon in June/July 2019 at 2Ghz? Why even need to push a GPU to that level? It's not like Oberon is a Big Navi chip, anyway, so they wouldn't be getting bragging rights for leading specs regardless how high they could clock it.

There were some reports on successful overclocking of a 5700XT card a couple weeks ago; I don't see the correlation here but maybe Oberon was being used as a test sample towards that? I mean if it's an abandoned PS5 chip, might as well repurpose it towards some other purpose "on the side", even if the data for it in the database doesn't quite reflect its new purpose.

But personally, kind of feels like a stretch imo, and not something a professional company would do (leaving listing data for a chip for a completely different project even if it's now being testing for a wholly different purpose).
 
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schaft0620

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Does anyone have any thoughts either way about Sony having a Super Bowl commercial, showing off the box and giving some sort of date, like the conference date?

IIRC Sony has ads almost every year this Gen.
TLOU2 is harder to show due to violence and whatnot.
 
Hawking Radiation

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Here I'm sitting thinking maybe Sony doesnt wnst to take away from the launches of Ghost of Tushima or Last Of Us 2 so they'll hold off on annocining PS5 until these games are out.

Gosh I hope I'm wrong.
 
Neo Blaster

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schaft0620 said:
Does anyone have any thoughts either way about Sony having a Super Bowl commercial, showing off the box and giving some sort of date, like the conference date?

IIRC Sony has ads almost every year this Gen.
TLOU2 is harder to show due to violence and whatnot.
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Forget about it, I've just read news about Sony Pictures not having any trailers this year due to the high ad costs. Sony is really saving every cent.
 
Stuart360

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hunthunt said:
Max Payne prequel exclusive for Ps5 and Remedy adquisition confirmed...

Sorry, I want so badly a new proper Max Payne 😔
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Pretty sure Rockstar hold the Max Payne license. Max Payne is the only reason i could see anyone buying Remedy, and they cant even make a new one.
 
bitbydeath

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thicc_girls_are_teh_best said:
Hopefully that can convince you a bit where I'm coming from on this, then. Why keep testing Oberon in June/July 2019 at 2Ghz? Why even need to push a GPU to that level? It's not like Oberon is a Big Navi chip, anyway, so they wouldn't be getting bragging rights for leading specs regardless how high they could clock it.

There were some reports on successful overclocking of a 5700XT card a couple weeks ago; I don't see the correlation here but maybe Oberon was being used as a test sample towards that? I mean if it's an abandoned PS5 chip, might as well repurpose it towards some other purpose "on the side", even if the data for it in the database doesn't quite reflect its new purpose.

But personally, kind of feels like a stretch imo, and not something a professional company would do (leaving listing data for a chip for a completely different project even if it's now being testing for a wholly different purpose).
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And why keep testing Ariel in June/July 2019 at 2GHZ. This is why it doesn’t seem like it is related to PS5 since the hardware had already left their hands.
 
cragarmi

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There are many ways to achieve the same or similar results. Like the parable of the blind men and the elephant. One man grasps the trunk and assumes it is a snake, the other holds the leg and concludes it is a tree, but they are both holding the elephant, yet each describes it in a radically different manner. If your elephant in the room is 12 - 13 TF, one may go wide and slow, and the other may go narrow and fast, yet both achieve the same goal, which is the better design? I guess it would depend on what you're other priorities are, and the games you wished to create.
 
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