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Hawking Radiation
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Klee was verified by Zhuge and Hecht. Both mods on resetera. Zhuge doesn't just verify anyone.
Neo Blaster
Member
I think it's totally possible for them to use a State of Play just like Nintendo did for Switch, but this time they must have people in the video, like Cerny, Helmen and Ryan.
Sony is in a very different situation this time compared to 2013: they have a very strong last year for PS4, which is still selling well and at a relatively high price. But they must release information to the public so that retailers and developers can get ready for the holidays. To find the optimal moment for that is their challenge and the reason for our anxiety.
Hawking Radiation
Member
I really don't think Sony will do a State Of Play to reveal the console. I seriously don't think so. Perhaps upcoming next gen game snippets yes but the box itself? Fuck no. That would be best to leave for an event in or around E3 time so they capture all the chatter and go up against any hype Xbox will try to generate at their E3 show.
I don't see Sony blowing their load before E3 with PS5 console reveal AND some next gen showcases.
Neo Blaster
Member
But what if they did a State of Play in February with content like 2013 PS Meeting and an event near E3 for all the rest?
thismeinteil
Member
I'm going to go with the theory that those chips are being repurposed for PS Now. Considering it looks like the original 2019 launch rumor seemingly has some validity to it, I just don't see them greatly upgrading the CPU and most likely moving from HDD to SSD, but leaving the GPU as is, only slightly upclocking it.
Anything but a state of play they are cringeworthy. Sony and MS have zero clue how to put on a direct to fans. I rather see another wired magazine interview or cerny on YouTube for 1 hour blabbing. People are really taking this cheaping out to line the executives pockets way seriously. They make billions a year on the playstation they can pony up a few dollars and put on a real event ffs.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
why did that kick off dual gpu rumors?
Oddspeak
Member
I'm not against the idea of a State of Play revealing the console, I'm just against it being executed as flaccidly as past State of Plays. If they're going the SoP route, they need to have Cerny on screen and explaining the hardware, game devs personally introducing their upcoming titles, etc. Not the same disembodied voice that we've been hearing, because she sounds way too robotic and sterile.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
I'm the same way. It doesn't need to be a live event. But it needs to be a well polished "spectacle". Documentary type quality to it.
I do think a live event makes it seem more impactful though, IMO. I'm not a big fan of Nintendo Directs in general either.
Warriors desperate for that 2013 moment of 8 gigs. That and if that really was the PS5 lots of disappointment. I am not taking much stock in it unless Sony is hell bent on 399.99 and put the SSD over APU. I would be in absolute shock if the PS5 was a limp 36 cu chip no matter how good the RT and SSD is. It will probably be less than MS since they will use die space for extra RT acceleration such as tensor like cores mid 40s vs mid 50s..
LED Guy?
Banned
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Two GPU’s (Oberon and Ariel) both supposedly for PS5, both near identical in spec, both undergoing frequent testing and both receiving upgrades since 2018.
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James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
is there any kind of reasoning why Sony would have two GPUs tested?
For this to make sense for a dual GPU rumor...would one be with a CPU, and one without (but perhaps more RT)?
May only make sense if Sony has a dual console strategy (Base and Pro at launch)
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
All comes down to price.
$400 is gonna be that Oberon 8-9tf system with ssd.
$500 or more will be similar to whatever SeX is.
I don’t see either company doing old school tactics of selling systems for cheap and they subsidize each unit $100-200.
vivftp
Member
I'm perfectly happy with a State of Play to show off the PS5 and games, I'm just hoping we get enough of a heads up on it because I need to book that day off work!
In truth if they do a PSM like the 2013 one then it'll be a room full of press and we won't necessarily get the same sort of "crowd reactions" we've come to expect out of an E3. I think a huge State of Play while also having the press at a location on the same day to do interviews and play around with shit for their articles is perfectly fine. It worked well for TLOU2's reveal date SOP and could work here. Just make it a solid 45-60 minute State of Play that gives us what we really want. Have Cerny be the one on camera to talk about and show off the PS5. Have a buttload of trailers to show us why we need this frigging thing and it'll dominate the conversation for a long time.
In truth if they do a PSM like the 2013 one then it'll be a room full of press and we won't necessarily get the same sort of "crowd reactions" we've come to expect out of an E3. I think a huge State of Play while also having the press at a location on the same day to do interviews and play around with shit for their articles is perfectly fine. It worked well for TLOU2's reveal date SOP and could work here. Just make it a solid 45-60 minute State of Play that gives us what we really want. Have Cerny be the one on camera to talk about and show off the PS5. Have a buttload of trailers to show us why we need this frigging thing and it'll dominate the conversation for a long time.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Lockhart 7tf? Where did u hear this? I must have missed it.
Kusarigama
Member
At the end of each State of Play's PS Blog announcement post, there's a bit saying not to expect news regarding their Next-Gen/PS5 plans. Maybe they are conditioning us for eventual PS5 focused State of Play.
HeisenbergFX4
has been a lowkey insider that has very reliable sources.
HeisenbergFX4
has been a lowkey insider that has very reliable sources.
TJC
Member
I don't get the major issue with what the event is called..what if it's the same shit as back in PS4 Feb event but they just call it state of play. That way they get to show the great PS4 games coming still this year and talk PS5.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
I think it’s easier to just disregard the rumour.
None of the insiders support it anyway and you’d think at least one such as Jason would know something and even he is in the stronger than a 2080 range.
Plus we had a verified dev in here earlier telling us the lowdown.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
link to verified dev?
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
I will not give any numerical data, and I will explain the reason. As you will understand, it is not information I can give. Not even any developer with two front fingers will tell you, it would mean being fired automatically and facing possible legal consequences. If a developer gives you that...
hemo memo
Member
Hmmm... We will see.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Why should people disregard the only consistent hard data that we have on the next-gen systems? That's complete foolishness. Imagine if scientists threw out testing results because they didn't personally like what they got. They'd get laughed out of a profession.
Shmunter
Member
Happens all the time. 2 genders? What do you mean 2 genders? Nice scientific lab you have there, would be a shame if you lost it.
LED Guy?
Banned
Because maybe, just maybe, it lacks context? And this is what Digital Foundry have said, it just lacks context, we still do not know if it is for PS5 or maybe a test of something or something else entirely.
2000 MHz in a console doesn’t make at all, and we have Matt and Kleegamefan (who both have the specs sheets right now as we speak) outright denying those Oberon leaks, I mean I get your point, but do not really assume it is a 100% CONFIRMED REAL RESULTS FOR PS5!! Because it doesn’t make sense and we have many other reports that state otherwise, actual reports which are coming from people who saw this 9.2 TF and saw the real specs that they have and said that the Oberon leaks do not match the PS5, they have more info than us here who are discussing this on the forums. Why do we have to deny them EVEN THOUGH they have much more info than us?
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Nickolaidas
Member
You have a long way to go before reaching OsirisBlack's levels of cockteasing, young Padawan.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Because the data isn’t clear, when people started poking holes it got deleted. And because it’s been superseded by more consistent rumours.
It’s not about what you like or not, it’s about the likelihood and a dual gpu, non-RT machine that operates at 2GHZ and has ties with Arden was always extremely unlikely.
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Audiophile
Member
A State Of Play would be utterly dull..
We need Cerny demonstrating the PS5 specs from an on-stage bath tub, Shuhei running a "free hugs" booth in the lobby and Jim Ryan shaving off that pineapple crown in return for donations to charity.
Also, some games would be nice too.
We need Cerny demonstrating the PS5 specs from an on-stage bath tub, Shuhei running a "free hugs" booth in the lobby and Jim Ryan shaving off that pineapple crown in return for donations to charity.
Also, some games would be nice too.
Felessan
Member
They'd get laughed out of a profession for using such data as github leak - it lacks completeness, context is unknown and all one can do with this data is to make random guesses. That is quite unprofessional in science world.
It's only consistent because some people wants to beleive that it's consistent. It's not, first of all framework of testing (what, why and how) is unknown. Even link between Ariel/Oberon and PS5 is just a hypothesis. Second - based on this data some people do a conclusions that are not provable. There too much of cuting corners in justifications, a lot of deductions done on "it looks similar to" basis (that is not scientific), and the whole structure of conclusion becomes quite unreliable after just a few question of "what if this looks like means another thing?"
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PocoJoe
Banned
So if only evidence about aliens is grainy home video, we must take it as truth? Retarded logic.
Anyone can upload shit on internet = 0% proof
Agnostic2020
Member
In the investor call today satya and Phil refer to xsx as “our most powerful console “
I feel ps5 is not 9TF vs 12 tf this thread believes otherwise MS would be shouting it from the mountains that they r the most powerful console ever made as that’s how they roll.
In 2016 before Sony announces ps4 pro they stated they will have the most power console ever .In e3 2018 they said the same about xsx but from e3 2019 it changed to “our most powerful console” .
Noted .
I feel ps5 is not 9TF vs 12 tf this thread believes otherwise MS would be shouting it from the mountains that they r the most powerful console ever made as that’s how they roll.
In 2016 before Sony announces ps4 pro they stated they will have the most power console ever .In e3 2018 they said the same about xsx but from e3 2019 it changed to “our most powerful console” .
Noted .
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Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
Xbox fans. What do you speculate we'll see next? Games? More specs? Also when.
I just want Halo: Infinite videos in my bloodstream.
I just want Halo: Infinite videos in my bloodstream.
hemo memo
Member
Neo Blaster
Member
Everybody cringes when they hear 'State of Play', then what about a pre-recorded presentation just like Nintendo did with Switch, does that suit you better?
bitbydeath
Gold Member
I just prefer old fashioned conferences since it’s a live event as opposed to something already filmed.
HawarMiran
Banned
Today or tomorrow something will be announced or I'll eat my own dick #McAffeeVoice
hemo memo
Member
I don’t care if it’s a TikTok video. Just announce the thing for the love of god.
BGs
Industry Professional
I am what I expect from them. But as a user I would not see an incentive for a generational change. But let's not fool ourselves, logically not all games are going to look like this. With respect to Ninja Theory I have no reason to doubt its quality. Logically there will always be a difference between kinematics and ingame, another thing is that it shows in motion. If there will be downgrade? Well it depends on the resolution and frame rate you want to achieve. At native 8k @ 60fps ....? Emmmm no. But I think that is evidence. They would have to pinch me to believe me. But at a lower resolution both the machine and the software are ready for it. I personally if those levels are not reached with the games "First" I would be disappointed.
I take this answer to respond to others since my time is limited and this thread advances too quickly, if I leave something in the inkwell excuse me.
I do not want to divert the thread from its original route, nor do I want to be the center of its attention. Therefore I will explain it only once and in Spoiler so as not to saturate the screen. I am writing from the mobile in public transport, so forgive my spelling mistakes.
There are more markets apart from the "public" in which interactive applications or games are developed. Let's call it a "private" market. Specifically in my case I refer to Pharma (Pharmaceutical Industries). Our company is basically dedicated to it. Making "public" videogames is something we tried to do for 2-3 years and in the first attempt trying to publish on Steam an Arkanoid VR type we failed spectacularly.
Now we are going for the second attempt with two ideas, one for mobile devices and another more ambitious one that will be cooked little by little, since as the private sector is our priority we are not in a hurry and we prefer to take it easy and that it goes well and not fail of new. It's hard when what happens to my teammates happens to *Iwon'tsaythename*, they had to close the development study because sales were not good. And so one dream ends ... and another begins.
The luck is that Pharmaceuticals always have money (and very short delivery times), but once a year we have the possibility of doing something more ambitious. I cannot say what because it is private but basically they are MOA (mechanisms of action for new medications), which are presented internally in Pharmaceuticals or in their large private events. In which then you have to show how the medicine works within the body in the most realistic way possible in the minimum time. This often leaves interactive VR and AR versions. And that includes both mobile and fixed devices.
For example in an event they took ~ 50 HTCs for a mini-video game in which you had to destroy the invading organism (a bullshit, yes, but the creation process is the same as that of a normal video game). We have used all the VR devices on the market that we could, from the first Oculus DK1 to the PSVR. Hence, at any given time it was decided to try to enter the public world.
I am NOT a programmer.
Yes, at some point in the crisis I had to help with this task in a supervised and directed way, but it is not my task. I am in charge of doing or directing everything related to 3D / VFX / VR that does not include programming. To program the programmers are already there.
The public game we are developing is of "Indie budget". But that doesn't mean we don't have the knowledge to do it better, what we don't have is time.
Apart from personal experience, do I know people from the sector? Evidently/¿obviously?. Luckily, the 3D sector offers many possibilities and is very enriching on a professional level, where you meet many people constantly with whom you share experiences, doubts and concerns. If I have information "I can share" at any time, I will not hesitate to do so, and if I do not, I cannot. Meanwhile I would like my stay to be more normal, I like to develop games, but I like playing more. And on the other hand there are things that I DON'T know and that I also like to speculate like you
Now we are going for the second attempt with two ideas, one for mobile devices and another more ambitious one that will be cooked little by little, since as the private sector is our priority we are not in a hurry and we prefer to take it easy and that it goes well and not fail of new. It's hard when what happens to my teammates happens to *Iwon'tsaythename*, they had to close the development study because sales were not good. And so one dream ends ... and another begins.
The luck is that Pharmaceuticals always have money (and very short delivery times), but once a year we have the possibility of doing something more ambitious. I cannot say what because it is private but basically they are MOA (mechanisms of action for new medications), which are presented internally in Pharmaceuticals or in their large private events. In which then you have to show how the medicine works within the body in the most realistic way possible in the minimum time. This often leaves interactive VR and AR versions. And that includes both mobile and fixed devices.
For example in an event they took ~ 50 HTCs for a mini-video game in which you had to destroy the invading organism (a bullshit, yes, but the creation process is the same as that of a normal video game). We have used all the VR devices on the market that we could, from the first Oculus DK1 to the PSVR. Hence, at any given time it was decided to try to enter the public world.
I am NOT a programmer.
Yes, at some point in the crisis I had to help with this task in a supervised and directed way, but it is not my task. I am in charge of doing or directing everything related to 3D / VFX / VR that does not include programming. To program the programmers are already there.
The public game we are developing is of "Indie budget". But that doesn't mean we don't have the knowledge to do it better, what we don't have is time.
Apart from personal experience, do I know people from the sector? Evidently/¿obviously?. Luckily, the 3D sector offers many possibilities and is very enriching on a professional level, where you meet many people constantly with whom you share experiences, doubts and concerns. If I have information "I can share" at any time, I will not hesitate to do so, and if I do not, I cannot. Meanwhile I would like my stay to be more normal, I like to develop games, but I like playing more. And on the other hand there are things that I DON'T know and that I also like to speculate like you
See you SOON (sorry, I couldn't contain myself).
Imtjnotu
Member
Live stream it or perma ban
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Why do I have this stupid gut feeling that they will do a live stream just so that news sites everywhere will take about how it was the most watched and most crashed live stream ever...?
Mr. PlayStation
Member
Please have someone else do a voice over, definitely not whoever it is who's been doing the voice over during state of play announcements. Just so stale and lacks excitement!
Nickolaidas
Member
Mr. PlayStation
Member
This, all of this!!
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