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Rumor: Wonderful 101 to launch on PS4/Xbox One/Switch via Kickstarter, announcement on Feb 3
Team Andromeda
Member
Embarrassing on Platinum part
Wolfgang Jr
Banned
This will raise ZERO funds on Kickstarter.
theclaw135
Banned
A console maker selling off their IP isn't entirely unheard of. Sony sold Tenchu.
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Deleted member 774430
Unconfirmed Member
It just seems bizarre that Nintendo would give up on TW101 considering they gave a second chance on Switch even to very niche releases like Tokyo Mirage Sessions and considering they are happy to fund anything from Platinum.
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Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
I mean... I'd throw them some cash if they were doing a PC port, and were going to provide a DRM-free version of the game. That'd be cool.
I get that Kickstarters don't exactly have a great reputation, but I feel like something this basic is pretty low-risk.
I get that Kickstarters don't exactly have a great reputation, but I feel like something this basic is pretty low-risk.
KingdomHeartsFan
Member
Why is a AAA developer doing a kickstarter for a port...
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
Neat. I’m cool with my Wii U copy though.
Carna
Banned
No that was Acquire giving the ip to From Software.
EDMIX
Member
That doesn't really matter as those games were still published by 1 company and the IP held by another. The point is valid.
??? I've heard this stated by many, yet zero have been able to actually provide any evidence showing this, like.....none. So until Nintendo literally buys the IP, its free to go else where.
I don't disagree with that, simply that I don't think we even have any evidence Nintendo ever owned the IP. They've published many things for publishers before that they have no rights to. Many disregard that many, many publishers actually publisher other publisher and developers games around the world. So Nintendo and many publishers publish works they have zero rights to and they are simply just distributing, marketing etc Like how Eidos published FFVII or SEGA publishes lots of EA's games in Japan or even how Capcom publishers GTA in Japan, it would be like saying those publishers like Capcom suddenly own GTA or something. So knowing how Nintendo publishers, this was likely a deal for them solely to publish vs owning the IP.
Good example.
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And what I"ve said is that its rare to nintendo not own the IP unless it was already owned by another and its just publishing it, Wonderful 101 in fact belongs to Nintendo.
Cuphead publishing rights belongs to Microsoft, even on the Nintendo Direct they thanked them for allowing to be ported to the Switch, they also owned Alan Wake publishing rights until few months ago., both games had some partial financing from the publisher. Bayonetta 2 is the same thing and/or Nintendo even own the whole title, which means Sega can still create a new multiplatform game because they own the IP, yet, can't do shit regarding Bayo 2.
EDMIX
Member
When did they buy the IP? Either give a link to it or just concede its a guess.... I've seen zero evidence that Nintendo owns the IP to Wonderful 101, didn't say JACK about publishing as thats waaaay too loose for anyone to even take seriously in regards to exclusivity, it would be like saying MS owns Tomb Raider or something..
Ok....and? That has nothing to do with ownership of the IP. MS 100% funded Mass Effect knowing it was going to be a trilogy, it didn't stop EA from buying the IP from Bioware and the entire team. So publishing, partially funding, FULLY 100% funding, means next to nothing if you don't own the IP.
Until that is actually disclosed, its fair game to go anywhere.
They can do what they feel with Bayonetta 2, they literally own the IP, that isn't something individual to title, it is the entire universe itself....as it is in absolution. Its not partial even remotely. So unless SEGA sells the IP to Nintendo, its Segas to do what they feel just. So we have zero legal evidence showing Nintendo owns the IP to Wonderful 101 or Bayonetta 2 individually or anything silly like that.
Keep in mind, if Octopath didn't get ported, you would have had the SAME ARGUMENT FOR THAT! be like "had some partial financing from the publisher, Octopath is the same thing and/or Nintendo even own the whole title"
Its stuff I heard people say for YEARS....right until it gets ported, then quiet, disappear and pretend they never made the claim. It happened with RE4, RE2002 remake, REZero, I remember folks even saying FFVII had a deal with Sony where it could NEVER come to something besides Playstation or something lol So many times people take it simply not happening YET as "oh a deal exist" or "oh they own that 1 title bro" or "they own the IP, its why it didn't come doe".
"Cuphead publishing rights belongs to Microsoft " yes.....yet NOT THE IP, ie the entire point I'm making regarding Wonderful 101, Bayonetta or really any game published where we don't know the IP ownership.
Here is the factual info on it
Dev: Cuphead Will Not Release On PS4, We Own The IP - Is It A Hint At Cuphead 2 For PS4? | Gamepur
Cuphead is not going to release on PS4, according to the details confirmed by the developer on Neogaf. There is a possibility of Cuphead 2 releasing on
www.gamepur.com
This is why I caution people to simply wait and see who owns the IP with some buy out or something instead of assuming publishing or funding a game means they own it or something. By that logic, Capcom owns GTA and MS owns Tomb Raider. Just stop man. Look it up, wait for a buy out or reveal of how owns the IP on some investor call etc. Even I'm surprised when I see some publisher doesn't own some IP I thought maybe they did own, but I don't just out right assume 100% that publishing or funding means a publisher owns a IP, I've seen that play out so many ways that I don't believe any innuendo or rumors or guesses regarding it.
Either the team confirms they own the IP legally and publicly, or they don't own jack. I simply keep it simple and leave it at that.
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Porcile
Member
I wonder what the deal with Astral Chain is then. I think that one sold pretty well all things considered. The trademark is owned by Nintendo according to their website, but not sure what the deal with W101 was. The website just has a copyright for Platinum and Nintendo. Sounds like it was just a publishing deal.
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Neff
Member
Nintendo won't ever fund a game they don't have control over, they're not stupid. Sega can do what it wants with Bayo 1, but Bayo 2 and 3 will be co-owned by Sega and Nintendo. That means Sega can't port 2 and 3 without Nintendo's permission.
According to Kamiya's Twitter and insights into the making of TW101, it was funded entirely by Nintendo, and they had full creative control, often insisting on changes of their own. So if it is going to other platforms, it'll be sold outright to PlatinumGames, or on loan like Bayonetta is with Nintendo. It wouldn't be the first time they've done either.
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Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
People wishing this case to apply to others like Bayonetta (2+) whose creators have already told you ask Nintendo if you want it on other platforms are lol worthy. Like because SEGA let Yu Suzuki have Shenmue that means anyone or even just Suzuki can now use any SEGA IP because clearly if one thing was done every other similar thing one wants will be done. Though the creators never said ask Nintendo about W101 so the deal was obviously different than Bayonetta (2+) too. But nobody wanted it to even ask for it, lol, which is why now that it's happening most discussion is about what it means for other games. Nothing, duh. For all you know since Nintendo didn't want the IP any more they asked and got permission for this, maybe only by also including Switch at that, kind of how Bayonetta is SEGA's but they didn't want it yet still let Platinum go to Nintendo to continue it. You can go buy a Switch and play the games it has which you clearly want or whine forever, maybe you're still waiting for The Last Story to release outside the Wii and will go "YEAH, TOLD YOU SO!" if some deal is worked out later and the game shows on PlayStation 10 on your deathbed, lol.
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Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
theclaw135
Banned
Sony published the first game (in Japan) and owned the IP.
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Lionel Richie
Member
I really think the Kickstarter is bullshit. I get it, the game sold like ass, but still this is not what Kickstarter should be used for. It's not a market viability tool, it's a way for independent creators to get funding for their projects, funding that they wouldn't otherwise get.
Game's great and I'm happy to see it hit other consoles. I hope it sells well this time. The Kickstarter is baffling.
Game's great and I'm happy to see it hit other consoles. I hope it sells well this time. The Kickstarter is baffling.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
KS isn't baffling.
It's basically a risk-free way of getting money without needing to pay interest on a qualified bank loan. All you got to do is put up a page begging for money and hope the money flows in. Even better, you don't even have to pay back supporters. A company can raise $1 million hitting a threshold goal and close up shop tomorrow and I don't think there is anything anyone can do about it unless the company was dumb enough to put a legal clause saying they will refund backers if the product doesn't ship..... which is something I doubt any of them do.
What companies realized is that enough supporters seem to back products beyond the original intent of indie projects, so might as well do it.
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Lionel Richie
Member
But Platinum doesn't NEED Kickstarter for funding, that's the part I'm saying it's baffling. Your second paragraph HAS to be some sort of fraud lol.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
If this 101 KS thing is true, Platinum is simply taking advantage of using people's funds. They don't need it, but might as well take it.
As for fraud, I'm pretty sure KS campaigns don't have to refund gamers when the $$$ threshold is hit. All they have to do is claim they used funds to work on it and ran out, and then bail ship.
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Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Just because they don't need it doesn't mean they want to waste any money and dev hours they do have on a game that likely won't sell. If on the other hand there are enough fans wishing to actually fund its development then part of Platinum clearly wants to make it happen even if it doesn't make too much financial sense as from what we can tell there's likely not much profit in it, just the costs covered by fans at best. Maybe it'll turn out it actually is profitable too after the fact if there's an insane amount of interest either during the kickstarter or when the product actually releases for everyone else too but I'd say nobody before this expected any company to wish to do a W101 product, for a reason (just like few expected Bayonetta to be revived after SEGA had lost interest in it but W101 seems to have less widespread appeal than even that, blaming WiiU is all well and good but plenty games sold pretty great on that, cos people wanted them). Depending on the goals they will set and the pricing I don't think it's likely to even make its target. Maybe if it's just a port the goal won't be too high and they'll make it but if this is going to have new content and stuff or even be a sequel (I didn't read if either has been confirmed so bear with me) unless its potential somehow blows everybody with even a passing interest in Platinum games away it might not make its goal and never get made if a publisher doesn't pitch in showing they were right to not risk funding it.
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nuttyevans
Member
This is one of the few games which I genuinely found funny. Hope more people give it a chance.
yurinka
Member
So Platinum tweeted this half an hour ago:
four.platinumgames.com
Is it happening? The rumor posted above mentioned that they were going to announce it today. 4 means they are working on 4 games? Or that they bought Wonderful 101 IP to Nintendo and are porting it to 4 platforms (3 consoles+PC)?
Bayonetta 8 Bit browser game “Angel Land” on 404 page.
指定されたページは見つかりませんが、ゲームが遊べます。
Is it happening? The rumor posted above mentioned that they were going to announce it today. 4 means they are working on 4 games? Or that they bought Wonderful 101 IP to Nintendo and are porting it to 4 platforms (3 consoles+PC)?
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ProgenitorCastle
Banned
So Platinum tweeted this half an hour ago:
Bayonetta 8 Bit browser game “Angel Land” on 404 page.
指定されたページは見つかりませんが、ゲームが遊べます。
Is it happening? The rumor posted above mentioned that they were going to announce it today. 4 means they are working on 4 games? Or that they bought Wonderful 101 IP to Nintendo and are porting it to 4 platforms (3 consoles+PC)?
:O Platinum 4 would be epic if it means what I think it means! May be a direct reference to the Capcom 5, which were slated to be a set of 5 new original Capcom IPs for the Gamecube. 4 out the 5 games released
PPIMystaceus
Member
So Platinum tweeted this half an hour ago:
Bayonetta 8 Bit browser game “Angel Land” on 404 page.
指定されたページは見つかりませんが、ゲームが遊べます。
Is it happening? The rumor posted above mentioned that they were going to announce it today. 4 means they are working on 4 games? Or that they bought Wonderful 101 IP to Nintendo and are porting it to 4 platforms (3 consoles+PC)?
I'm thinking this may actually be Drakengard related.
yurinka
Member
Drakenwhat? Let's hope it isn't the case and that in the future they are capable on working on what they wanted to do since the start but back then didn't have enough money to do: their own IPs and self-publish them.
Zekra Dezivad
Member
iirc it was a Sony Music propriety, not Sony Computer
DunDunDunpachi
Banned
Smiles and Cries
Member
PG wants to create Wonderful 102 but since no one really played the first one besides me that is fine
but for this to come out in April does not seem like they really needed a KickStarter since the game was already done right?
Seems weird they need the money for marketing or hoping to get other ports funded?
but for this to come out in April does not seem like they really needed a KickStarter since the game was already done right?
Seems weird they need the money for marketing or hoping to get other ports funded?
Ryu Kaiba
Member
It was a Nintendo exclusive but now it's not ..so its trash .
..lol i kid
But this thread is the first I've heard about it being trash
siekro1983
Banned
For some reason exclusives are always gonna be over hyped, because they are exclusives. just look at the game of the year choices from neogaf and the other place that copied it. it's alway a sony or nintendo game.
EDMIX
Member
Yea I call BS on that. You just don't have any real solid factual proof to make that statement. You nor I are Nintendo.
orrrrr they don't own the IP at all...
That is more likely then really anything you stated.
Lionel Richie
You don't know why they are doing it that way and lets slowdown on saying stuff like they don't "need", you nor I even know what their situation is to even argue that. edit. My oh My....looks like that so called Nintendo owned IP, is actually not owned by them at all but clearly OWNED BY PLATINUM GAMES TO DO WITH WHAT THEY FEEL LIKE IT!
Sooooo how many times does this need to happen before people realize publishing, funding etc doesn't mean they own the IP? Oh but they don't fund games they don't own though right? Are we 100% sure about that now folks? Can we in the future actually understand that publishing and funding DO NOT = OWNING THE IP?
Add this game to the list folks.
Resident Evil 4
Resident Evil 2002
Resident Evil Zero
Bioshock
Mass Effect
Dead Rising
Lost Planet
Tomb Raider Rise Of The Tomb Raider
Octopath Traveler
Ace Attorney
Zombi U (someone seriously told me it couldn't come to other platforms cause they didn't have a second screen and the name had a U in it LOL)
Wonderful 101 and many more.
This should seriously show folks that funding, publishing, even having the damn publishers CHARACTERS in a game don't mean they own the IP.
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Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Why are you still speculating though, the Q&A stuff shown today (go to the other thread) show that Nintendo did have to allow this. That's a moment of graciousness, not something that you can expect to happen for every other game when Platinum has said before that Bayonetta 2+ is up to Nintendo and reiterated today that Astral Chain is up to Nintendo, etc. Publishers aren't generally this gracious and Platinum was surprised too. Of course a publisher publishing something doesn't mean they own it but it also doesn't mean they don't just because this happened, contracts vary.
I mean, do people really wanna start trolling from the rooftops "can't wait for Bayonetta 3 PS4" and "can't wait for Astral Chain PC" like the lesser posters around here are already doing and all that unfounded shit that Platinum already shot down? Do you guys know better than Platinum who owns the things they literally said Nintendo has control of? If that's the response Nintendo notice over this project then that bullshit is actively working against the chance of it ever happening again since it depends on their graciousness which will not be there if the result is word of mouth that in any way appears to harm their own platforms and company profile, and the same goes for every other company that may be asked to do similar moves with an IP/game they have control of. It's shitty gamefaqs level trolling, they're neither convincing anyone sane, nor working towards any end goal.
Anyway, I can't wait for it to hit PC, I hope I'll enjoy it as much as Bayonetta (which was more than NieR but that was still good too).
I mean, do people really wanna start trolling from the rooftops "can't wait for Bayonetta 3 PS4" and "can't wait for Astral Chain PC" like the lesser posters around here are already doing and all that unfounded shit that Platinum already shot down? Do you guys know better than Platinum who owns the things they literally said Nintendo has control of? If that's the response Nintendo notice over this project then that bullshit is actively working against the chance of it ever happening again since it depends on their graciousness which will not be there if the result is word of mouth that in any way appears to harm their own platforms and company profile, and the same goes for every other company that may be asked to do similar moves with an IP/game they have control of. It's shitty gamefaqs level trolling, they're neither convincing anyone sane, nor working towards any end goal.
Anyway, I can't wait for it to hit PC, I hope I'll enjoy it as much as Bayonetta (which was more than NieR but that was still good too).
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Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
theclaw135
Banned
Huh, that is unusual.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
So they're going multiplat? Good, I'll buy PC version then to play in 4K.
TeamGizzyy
Banned
Really anything made by platinum gets my money.
If this was a cupcake store crowdfund to get money for frosting I'd still do it.
If this was a cupcake store crowdfund to get money for frosting I'd still do it.
Neff
Member
Would you spend ten-twenty million dollars on a game you won't own and could potentially see going to a rival platform without your say so? Lack of proof doesn't negate business sense.
I think you're having difficulty distinguishing between funding and publishing, which while occasionally related, are ultimately two very different things.
Team Andromeda
Member
WOW, the GIF's come out, how grown up. I find it embarrassing that Platinum looks to crowdfunding.
That said no doubt like Shenmue III, it will sell in poor numbers, much like most Platnium games really. Which is why no doubt, the company cash flow is low, need to look for investment and fans to pay to publish their own games
EDMIX
Member
What I personally would do is irrelevant. MS spent even MORE money then that on funding Mass Effect and publishing it all without owning the team or IP, it would not be the first time in gaming a company spent $20 million plus on a timed deal. You ignorantly ignore that a company like Nintendo would gladly spend $20 million for a timed game vs $100 million. So...companies do that btw, saying if you, me or anyone else would is irrelevant to the point. Thats like saying "Would you kill someone knowing that witnesses saw you and that you'd go to jail for life?" Soooooo just cause I'd say no, doesn't actually mean someone wouldn't do that, hasn't done that, will do that in the future lol
Example. MS paid $75 million to make sure GTAIV was on 360 and to get DLC first, not only...FIRST! So MS paid MORE money to simply get the game same time as PS3 and for some timed DLC. What you or I would do has no relevance to that fact.
"I think you're having difficulty distinguishing between funding and publishing" Nope. Never once stated they were the same or ever defined one as the other. Stop arguing just to argue man, we know they are different things and no post questions the definition of either one.
"having difficulty" Me? Sir...you just made up a number, be like "ten-twenty"
iconmaster
Banned
This was probably the only way to do it. Wonderful 101 is unlikely to sell enough to justify the cost of porting it, but by getting paid up front Platinum eliminates the risk.