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[Agnostic2020]

Guys Greg Miller in January the day after he saw shu he out of nowhere said I wouldn’t expect any reveal event till may which everyone at that time thought he was crazy.

I feel ps5 reveal event is may. They want to get closer to Nintendo and Apple style of reveal to release

at max we get another wired article till the reveal.

I feel they will do a wired article about specs before gdc (March 18) then reveal may

 

[FranXico]

They will likely be there looking for indie developers. Not to make hardware announcements though.

 

[FERN]

Guys Greg Miller in January the day after he saw shu he out of nowhere said I wouldn’t expect any reveal event till may which everyone at that time thought he was crazy.

I feel ps5 reveal event is may. They want to get closer to Nintendo and Apple style of reveal to release

 

[Agnostic2020]

Greg Miller ? He was ex ign editor that got very close to shu. He had shu over for dinner at his house in Jan and the day after it out of nowhere he said I wouldn’t expect reveal till may. I m sure people can post the pictures of the dinner at his house from his tweets

edit : here

 

[Darklor01]

My theory is that they were pressured to show something because their direct competitor already “confident” enough to show the console. That’s not a good sign.

Both consoles are launching the same time frame. There is no pressure to show something. The pressure will depend on what is said and what is shown.

 

[Agnostic2020]

HeisenbergFX4

how do you feel about a wired article about spec before gdc (March 18)

mans reveal in may for ps5?

 

[pawel86ck]

Success in terms of sold hardware but a brutal loss because of the ROD Desaster. This cost them billions

PS3 had similar technical problems (YLOD), but the only difference was xbox 360 consoles were breaking within 12 months instead of 24, so MS was forced to repair faulty consoles due to warranty conditions. I'm not even sure who lost more money back then? MS has paid for RROD, but Sony lost over 200$ on each console.

Anyway PS3 example proved people can blindly buy Sony consoles just because they recognize playstation brand, but even casuals will finally open their eyes when they are paying more for less. In 2007 x360 had more games, better looking multiplatform games and not to mention it was cheaper. More and more people started buying MS console and if Sony would not react so quickly PS3 would never outsell xbox 360.

If PS5 will be just 8TF and 100$ more expensive than XSX even Sony brand will help PS5.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

HeisenbergFX4

how do you feel about a wired article about spec before gdc (March 18)

mans reveal in may for ps5?

The general thought is we are indeed getting one more Wired article as I had it put to me "they have one more story to tell."

Getting the vibe more and more we may never get a full on spec reveal prior to launch on both systems as neither company wants to talk teraflops this gen.

Expect to hear more of this over 2 times the power of the current PS4 Pro type of talk vs getting actual numbers.

And most of this is from my crazy birdie whispers who told me weeks ago he didn't see a Feb reveal possibly just a State of Play in Feb showing the box.

Afternoon guesses and all.

 

[TGO]

I still think something happing on the 30th Feb

 

[Agnostic2020]

The general thought is we are indeed getting one more Wired article as I had it put to me "they have one more story to tell."

Getting the vibe more and more we may never get a full on spec reveal prior to launch on both systems as neither company wants to talk teraflops this gen.

Expect to hear more of this over 2 times the power of the current PS4 Pro type of talk vs getting actual numbers.

And most of this is from my crazy birdie whispers who told me weeks ago he didn't see a Feb reveal possibly just a State of Play in Feb showing the box.

Afternoon guesses and all.

Haha you and your afternoon guesses so no wired on specs . Hmm what would they say in the next wired ? UI?

 

[demigod]

The general thought is we are indeed getting one more Wired article as I had it put to me "they have one more story to tell."

Getting the vibe more and more we may never get a full on spec reveal prior to launch on both systems as neither company wants to talk teraflops this gen.

Expect to hear more of this over 2 times the power of the current PS4 Pro type of talk vs getting actual numbers.

And most of this is from my crazy birdie whispers who told me weeks ago he didn't see a Feb reveal possibly just a State of Play in Feb showing the box.

Afternoon guesses and all.

Is this crazy birdie in the 9TF or 11TF camp?

 

[Agnostic2020]

I still think something happing on the 30th Feb

Yea March 1st is happening on that day

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Haha you and your afternoon guesses so no wired on specs . Hmm what would they say in the next wired ? UI?

Not really sure as I don't press info much because I do not want to get him into trouble as I know for a fact him and one other member of his team reads these very forums and avoids Era like its coated in Coronavirus.

Is this crazy birdie in the 9TF or 11TF camp?

This is the one guy who is in the 9.5ish camp.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Is this crazy birdie in the 9TF or 11TF camp?

He said he has told them both xsx and ps5 are around 10 tf that’s why the won’t talk about tf

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

The PSVR break out box primary purpose is to handle 3D audio. It also adds a second video out. The 3D audio in PSVR is pretty cool.

PlayStation Platinum headset with PSVR on RE7 is the scariest and most immersive game ever

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

The general thought is we are indeed getting one more Wired article as I had it put to me "they have one more story to tell."

Getting the vibe more and more we may never get a full on spec reveal prior to launch on both systems as neither company wants to talk teraflops this gen.

Expect to hear more of this over 2 times the power of the current PS4 Pro type of talk vs getting actual numbers.

And most of this is from my crazy birdie whispers who told me weeks ago he didn't see a Feb reveal possibly just a State of Play in Feb showing the box.

Afternoon guesses and all.

I'm surprised at the bolded given the wording on Sony's PS5 page they just put up:

but we’re not quite ready to fully unveil the next generation of PlayStation

Getting shy with spec details will just give us far too many months to rage about it! I think they'll give at least PS4-level spec details if not more IMO. Even if they are 'disappointing'.

 

[Mriverz]

Is this crazy birdie in the 9TF or 11TF camp?

the crazy birdie is the 9tf camp

 

[Agnostic2020]

Not really sure as I don't press info much because I do not want to get him into trouble as I know for a fact him and one other member of his team reads these very forums and avoids Era like its coated in Cornavirus.

Well no insider is willing to talk in era . Even Matt and shinobi stopped . They are abit vicious toward insiders . Some of them write poems if they don’t like your insider info

 

[NathanDiego]

Not really sure as I don't press info much because I do not want to get him into trouble as I know for a fact him and one other member of his team reads these very forums and avoids Era like its coated in Coronavirus.



This is the one guy who is in the 9.5ish camp.

You have more than one source? All of them are in this camp? And the XSX with the edge?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I'm surprised at the bolded given the wording on Sony's PS5 page they just put up:



Getting shy with spec details will just give us far too many months to rage about it! I think they'll give at least PS4-level spec details if not more IMO. Even if they are 'disappointing'.

Yeah I too am curious to see what they do reveal when they decide what they want to show.

Those speculations are just his feelings talking to some higher level people but who knows what the upper management actually wants to do.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

You have more than one source? All of them are in this camp? And the XSX with the edge?

In fact I do one I shared with Mod of War and one I could not.

Only my birdie is in the 9.5ish camp the other people I have talked to are all 11+ for both consoles.

And even though newer DKs have been sent I am still staying in the XsX with an overall power edge.


*Edit - Not ducking other questions just have somewhere to be, will try to catch up when I return.

 

[NathanDiego]

In fact I do one I shared with Mod of War and one I could not.

Only my birdie is in the 9.5ish camp the other people I have talked to are all 11+ for both consoles.

And even though newer DKs have been sent I am still staying in the XsX with an overall power edge.

Tks,are you expecting the edge for XSX based on your birdie or everyone has pointed the edge for the XSX? Or is just your expectations?
And about the Github leak,does match what your sources has said?

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

And even though newer DKs have been sent I am still staying in the XsX with an overall power edge.

Has XSX had a newer dev kit sent out? And does the newer PS5 kit look the same as the V kit we have seen (just updated innards)?

 

[Lunatic_Gamer]

Speaking of Corona Vírus ....

The PlayStation 5 and new Xbox are due out this holiday, but both could be delayed because of the coronavirus

Sony and Microsoft are working on the next versions of the PlayStation and the Xbox : The PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X, respectively

www.pulselive.co.ke

“The PlayStation 5 and new Xbox are due out this holiday, but both could be delayed because of the coronavirus”

 

[Agnostic2020]

In fact I do one I shared with Mod of War and one I could not.

Only my birdie is in the 9.5ish camp the other people I have talked to are all 11+ for both consoles.

And even though newer DKs have been sent I am still staying in the XsX with an overall power edge.


*Edit - Not ducking other questions just have somewhere to be, will try to catch up when I return.

Do you also agree with my statement that if xsx vs ps5 was 9TF vs 12 tf , ms wouldn’t keep saying “our most powerful console “ and then down play gpu jump in an interview few days back ? They would say “the most powerful console ever created” the fact that they don’t say that it means they are close .

 

[ruvikx]

Do you also agree with my statement that if xsx vs ps5 was 9TF vs 12 tf , ms wouldn’t keep saying “our most powerful console “ and then down play gpu jump in an interview few days back ? They would say “the most powerful console ever created” the fact that they don’t say that it means they are close .

Jesus Christ, I mean really? There's some basic business etiquette which these companies follow & they're hardly likely to start playing the power advantage 10 months before release & before either company has revealed the full specs + price. You can take absolutely zero facts from Microsoft's messaging thus far with regards to Sony's machine. If they do know Sony's specs (a big "if"), they'll be sitting on it until they choose to use that advantage in their favor.

The only reason I respond here is because I've seen others use your exact same argumentation as well & I find it completely detached from economic & marketing realities.

 

[splattered]

Called it... hoping sony still surprises everyone though.

9tf vs 12tf is a pretty big difference.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Do you also agree with my statement that if xsx vs ps5 was 9TF vs 12 tf , ms wouldn’t keep saying “our most powerful console “ and then down play gpu jump in an interview few days back ? They would say “the most powerful console ever created” the fact that they don’t say that it means they are close .

Honest opinion here is even if MS was 99% sure it was a 9 vs 12 scenario I think MS would have to wait until both launch to say power king lingo. If Sony would shock the world say with a Pro at launch and beat MS them MS would look really bad.

 

[Incorruptible Gamer]

Speaking of Corona Vírus ....

The PlayStation 5 and new Xbox are due out this holiday, but both could be delayed because of the coronavirus

Sony and Microsoft are working on the next versions of the PlayStation and the Xbox : The PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X, respectively

www.pulselive.co.ke

“The PlayStation 5 and new Xbox are due out this holiday, but both could be delayed because of the coronavirus”

With this endless news, rumors and speculation I believe that this news is the most truthful statistically. I don't think it's a good idea to spread a virus with a game console as exclusive at launch, maybe I'm wrong but if the production chain of the new generation has already started to be ready for the 2020 Christmas holidays we are screwed, but it will never happen, will it ...?

 

[darkinstinct]

Do you also agree with my statement that if xsx vs ps5 was 9TF vs 12 tf , ms wouldn’t keep saying “our most powerful console “ and then down play gpu jump in an interview few days back ? They would say “the most powerful console ever created” the fact that they don’t say that it means they are close .

But they do say that.

Project Scarlett: Introducing Xbox Series X
Project Scarlett will set a new bar for console power, speed and performance, arriving Holiday 2020 alongside Halo Infinite. With a custom-designed AMD processor, high bandwidth GDDR6 memory, and a next generation solid state drive (SSD), Project Scarlett will give developers the power they need to bring their creative visions to life. Thousands of games across four console generations will look and play best on Project Scarlett.

Introducing the new Xbox consoles | Xbox

Experience the power of Xbox Series X or go all-digital with the Xbox Series S.

www.xbox.com

 

[DeepEnigma]

With this endless news, rumors and speculation I believe that this news is the most truthful statistically. I don't think it's a good idea to spread a virus with a game console as exclusive at launch, maybe I'm wrong but if the production chain of the new generation has already started to be ready for the 2020 Christmas holidays we are screwed, but it will never happen, will it ...?

Don't worry, they will arrive safe and sanitary.

 

[EliteSmurf]

Called it... hoping sony still surprises everyone though.

9tf vs 12tf is a pretty big difference.

Called what exactly ?

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Honest opinion here is even if MS was 99% sure it was a 9 vs 12 scenario I think MS would have to wait until both launch to say power king lingo. If Sony would shock the world say with a Pro at launch and beat MS them MS would look really bad.

Jesus Christ, I mean really? There's some basic business etiquette which these companies follow & they're hardly likely to start playing the power advantage 10 months before release & before either company has revealed the full specs + price. You can take absolutely zero facts from Microsoft's messaging thus far with regards to Sony's machine. If they do know Sony's specs (a big "if"), they'll be sitting on it until they choose to use that advantage in their favor.

The only reason I respond here is because I've seen others use your exact same argumentation as well & I find it completely detached from economic & marketing realities.

Except One X. Microsoft were fine stating it was the most powerful console ever in June 2016 even though Sony didn't confirm Pro specs until September 2016 (I know everything leaked before but still).

 

[splattered]

Called what exactly ?

That we might end up with an 8tf or 9tf Sony machine and that they will avoid flaunting the tf specs, instead choosing to market speak something like "over twice as powerful as the playstation 4 pro"

 

[DeepEnigma]

That we might end up with an 8tf or 9tf Sony machine and that they will avoid flaunting the tf specs, instead choosing to market speak something like "over twice as powerful as the playstation 4 pro"

So what's MS's excuse then? Since they are literally doing just that at the moment.

 

[EliteSmurf]

That we might end up with an 8tf or 9tf Sony machine and that they will avoid flaunting the tf specs, instead choosing to market speak something like "over twice as powerful as the playstation 4 pro"

You haven't 'called' anything if either one of those things has not happened yet .

 

[DaGwaphics]

Oh god not this talk again, Jesus, this thread is like a bloody merry go round...

Ok, let’s do it all over again...

- MS will be releasing barely a handful of games that will run on the One as well as the SX, nobody else has to do this, only MS exclusives. That’s like, 5 and under games, that will do this.

- the quality of these ports is not decided as we don’t know, however from my own personal experience, will be nothing to worry about. They will make games for the SX and then port down, as it’s easier to remove than to add. I’ve been developing high end media for years, and have never, ever “ported up”. It’s much easier to create to a target spec and then remove stuff, lower mips and reduce lods.

- the theoretical lock heart specs are created in a way to run the SX media and code with no changes but possibly at reduced quality, and at a reduced (1080p) resolution. It may have less memory, however a lot of people are blissfully unaware that of you drop resolution, you can actually run with less memory without much worry.

- lockheart(if it will even release) will include an SSD and the same spec CPU, meaning everything the SX can do, the lockheart can do, just at lower resolution.

- You’re a complete tit if you feel that the Xbox will be the only one that will have cross generation ports/games.

So true. I don't understand how this is so difficult for many. MS has always been very developer friendly (even the anti-consumer Xbone features originally announced were a dev's wet dream), they've said repeatedly that they will never put restrictions on how a dev chooses to run a game, whether that is 720p or 8k. There is no mandate for Xbone support, outside of first party. Obviously, most third parties are going to go cross-gen early just for financial reasons, like they always have.

Xsx isnt even rdna2. Let alone lockhart

Doesn't make a bit of difference. As long as Anaconda and Lockhart are running the same tech (GCN, RDNA 1, 1.5, 2, etc.) a 4TF part at 1080p should handle the work of a 12tf part at 4k (assuming the CPU requirements and bandwidth requirements are met) with some room left over. Ram usage would be less at the lower resolution since high res textures would not be needed, therefore less ram/bandwidth should also not be a problem (within reason).

Hellblade 1 runs on Switch, no? It also runs at 4K on One X. Magic, I know. Games that run at 1080p on 1.4 TF One S run at native 4K on a 6 TF One X. It's not too difficult to imagine that a 4 TF SKU could run the same games that run at 4K on a 12 TF SKU. Hell, if One S/One X taught us something it's that even a 3 TF Lockhart could run those same games at 1080p. So there's even overhead.

Truth. It must blow peoples mind when they see a RX 5600 playing the same games as a 2080ti at lower resolution.

 

[LED Guy?]

Sorry i must have missed something, why all of the sudden it's 9Tf instead of crazy numbers, what happened ?

Nothing happened, they’re just speculating like always, don’t worry, Xbox Series X will be 12 TF RDNA, while PS5 will be equal to it or a bit more powerful.

I’m sticking to what Jason Schreier (Kotaku journalist) Kleegamefan (verified twice and a credible source, in the industry around 20+ years), Andrew Reiner (Game Informer Editor In-chief) and Matt (outstanding track record for a very long time) have said. These guys I have mentioned are the ones you should stick to, the rest on here and out of here are all fake bunch of insiders.

 

[splattered]

Also I'm gonna laugh my ass off if Sony releases both an entry level ps5 for 400 and a 13TF ps5 pro for 500 or 600.

Considering all the doom and gloom about lower spec machines holding the industry back.

13tf ps5 pro beating out the 12tf XsX would all of a sudden be amazing and celebrated even though they would have their own lower spec machine staring at them from store shelves gimping developers from creating games with their true 13tf potential.

 

[darkinstinct]

Again there is rdna2 as named by amd and specified rdna 2 . Navi 21 is rdna 2. Xsx could be the equivalent but on rdna+ which is rdna 1 plus rt and vrs. Rdna 2 is on 7nm EUV not 7nm like rdna1. Non of the consoles are getting 7nm euv cause it wont be ready on time foe high quantity launch this year.it is under testing now and will be unveiled in few months by amd.

Where did you get that? Because

TSMC enters high volume production with N7+ EUV process

TSMC announced that it's bringing its N7+ EUV process node to the market in high volume, and it bears the distinction of being the first commercially available...

www.techspot.com

TSMC announced that it's bringing its N7+ EUV process node to the market in high volume, and it bears the distinction of being the first commercially available 7nm, EUV-based process technology. [...] The N7+ process entered volume production last May, but is ramping up to commercial availability just in time for high profile clients like AMD to put orders in for 2020.

And then curiously a month after TSMC says they are ramping up the XSX devkit starts shipping. Sounds to me like they could've easily produced a N7P APU in May, then tested it in June. Then started full production in October with devkits going out in November (we know there is only A0 of the APU). Should be totally fine producing for a console launch in nine months wíth such high yields.

Of course the gains in that case would be even higher. We are talking about 30 % in raw TF, 10 % in efficiency gains vs RDNA1, then another 30 % for VRS. XSX would absolutely crush PS5 performance wise.

 

[Mod of War]

Also I'm gonna laugh my ass off if Sony releases both an entry level ps5 for 400 and a 13TF ps5 pro for 500 or 600.

Considering all the doom and gloom about lower spec machines holding the industry back.

13tf ps5 pro beating out the 12tf XsX would all of a sudden be amazing and celebrated even though they would have their own lower spec machine staring at them from store shelves gimping developers from creating games with their true 13tf potential.

Dial it back on the fanaticism in here trooper. This adds nothing to the conversation other than to start petty arguments.

All parties have people in them that are guilty of this.

 

[LED Guy?]

it runs like shit. it looks like shit. goes all the way down to 400p. i just took some screenshots from DF's comparison video. I actually set the quality to 1080p 60 fps to capture the best quality screenshot even though the game maxes out at 720p. it didnt help because the base game goes all the way down to 400p.

I mean look at this abomination.

witcher 3 runs on the switch too. it looks horrendous. like i said, i couldnt care less because im not buying that console.

Yeah and haven’t got into the limitation of CPU/RAM/SSD yet, which is why the idea of Xbox One running Xbox Series X games are really stupid, somethings do not scale, like physics, AI, animations, speed of stuff on the screen, destruction, size and scope of worlds etc etc...

 

[Agnostic2020]

Jesus Christ, I mean really? There's some basic business etiquette which these companies follow & they're hardly likely to start playing the power advantage 10 months before release & before either company has revealed the full specs + price. You can take absolutely zero facts from Microsoft's messaging thus far with regards to Sony's machine. If they do know Sony's specs (a big "if"), they'll be sitting on it until they choose to use that advantage in their favor.

The only reason I respond here is because I've seen others use your exact same argumentation as well & I find it completely detached from economic & marketing realities.

You already forgot about x1x? They said it one year and half before release before even sony annouces ps4 pro."most powerful console ever when it launches "

 

[LED Guy?]

The general thought is we are indeed getting one more Wired article as I had it put to me "they have one more story to tell."

Getting the vibe more and more we may never get a full on spec reveal prior to launch on both systems as neither company wants to talk teraflops this gen.

Expect to hear more of this over 2 times the power of the current PS4 Pro type of talk vs getting actual numbers.

And most of this is from my crazy birdie whispers who told me weeks ago he didn't see a Feb reveal possibly just a State of Play in Feb showing the box.

Afternoon guesses and all.

OK, what did your other sources said about GPU for both consoles? Can you tell me?

 

[DaGwaphics]

You already forgot about x1x? They said it one year and half before release before even sony annouces ps4 pro.

The Pro was announced so close to launch that it was already in the wild (in near final form) before the announcement even happened. Mojang had devkits for Pro before e3 16. MS knew exactly where they were going to stack up a year later at $100 higher MSRP.

 

[gatti-man]

Man I really hope ps5 is more than 9TF. That’s really disappointing. Double the pro is still not enough to make next gen graphics plus UHD resolutions (my opinion). I want more than current gen games at solid frame rates in UHD.

 

[Agnostic2020]

The Pro was announced so close to launch that it was already in the wild (in near final form) before the announcement even happened. Mojang had devkits for Pro before e3 16. MS new exactly where they were going to stack up a year later at $100 higher MSRP.

You really think sony and ms dont know each other target specs from 3rd pary allies ? They have sent target specs to 3rd parties since 2019

 

[DaGwaphics]

You really think sony and ms dont know each other target specs from 3rd pary allies ? They have sent target specs to 3rd parties since 2019

Target specs aren't the real deal. There can be mind games that happen there, and with early dev kits. Say, both put a number on a page with one being more figurative and the other more literal. This could mislead one party into thinking they have the higher target, at least for a minute. Perhaps even until it's too late to make a course correction, if say one party sent out early indications on equivalent PC targets that leaned into that false narrative . Not saying that that is a scenario that is on the table, just that it is a possibility.

 

[Lunatic_Gamer]

 

[bitbydeath]

The PS5's next-gen audio tech could transform your gaming experience – here's how

You'll probably need some decent speakers though

www.techradar.com