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[Gamernyc78]

Let's talk clearly. I am the first one who loves Sony, but for the moment we have to admit that at the moment some bad decisions are being made that remind me of the MS game with Conker and then not announce it and leave his followers wrong. We must recognize that publishing a web page of your product saying that "we are not ready to show it" is NOT a good decision and creates uncertainty.

Not to me especially how business goes. We've all been here long enough to know this is a game of chess not a rush job. What don't ppl understand? They are both trying to one up eachother and are keeping info close until thy feel its a viable time. This narrative tht Sony (who has been killing it this whole Gen, best profits out of all gaming divisions this gen, has Cerny who is a genius at its side) isn't certain or show insecurity is laughable at best. This is my opinion given Sony's strengths and how they've played things out in the past. It's like this gen ppl saying "omg Sony only showed a controller" bcus the console is weaker than xbox (yup ppl did say this). All tht rhetoric is nonsense. We know how this turned out..

 

[hemo memo]

As much as I want more information on PS5, I think we’re going to have to wait a bit longer.

They just had some pretty major restructuring of PlayStation execs, and it’ll take time for those people to find their footing. PS4 also has a great lineup of games in the first half of this year.

It’s better for them to take their time and nail the messaging instead of rushing i

The Wired articles, skipping E3 and showing the logo. Was that the decision of the new execs? because there is a pattern here.

 

[joe_zazen]

As a guy who has only owned japanese consoles, hates America corporate world domination, and believes Microsoft to be complicit in state sponsored terrorism and the Palestinian holocaust, one has to give kudos to xbox’s strategy the last 3 years.

It appears that sony has to create a marketing strategy that battles against a more powerful console, a cheaper console, gamepass, and 15+ MS game studios, all of whom give away their games for ‘free’.

& i’d just remind people that sony was also in a dominant position with the ps2 and they used to own portable audio. Things can change dramatically when leadership fails. this reveal is going to be sooooo interesting.

 

[joe_zazen]

That could be cause their dev kits are not as mature as sony .but ms pr is the weird part here.

Imagine ms having 3 tf advatage on gpu yet you say "most powerful console we made " and past week , 2 people from xbox , phil and someone else , they downplayed the importance of gpu and praise cpu. I get that thats correct somewhat but if u had a 3tf power advantage you would try to make a big deal out of it and not down play it.

Schrier said devs hate lockhart, it makes their job hard and places limits. on their designs. I am guessing that is why they don't praise MS.

 

[Reindeer]

Schrier said devs hate lockhart, it makes their job hard and places limits. on their designs. I am guessing that is why they don't praise MS.

That's nothing, they'll have to worry about developing for 1.3 tflops jaguar CPU Xbox One for the first two years. Let them worry about Lockhart after that.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

That's nothing, they'll have to worry about developing for 1.3 tflops jaguar CPU Xbox One for the first two years. Let them worry about Lockhart after that.

Oh for fu...

 

[joe_zazen]

That's nothing, they'll have to worry about developing for 1.3 tflops jaguar CPU Xbox One for the first two years. Let them worry about Lockhart after that.

that is only for MS games, no? Others are free to make next gen only games, but they are not allowed to make xsx only games if they want to release on xbox. the rumor is lockhart is mandatory, not x1.

ps fuck typing on ios.

 

[Reindeer]

that is only for MS games, no? Others are free to make next gen only games, but they are not allowed to make xsx only games if they want to release on xbox. the rumor is lockhart is mandatory, not x1.

ps fuck typing on ios.

How are multiplats gonna be next gen when they also have to release ok Xbox? Or the devs will have to make Xbox One versions really bad since they don't have SSD and next gen CPU. Unless they decide to skip Xbox One all together.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

How are multiplats gonna be next gen when they also have to release ok Xbox? Or the devs will have to make Xbox One versions really bad since they don't have SSD and next gen CPU.

Typing this number 7,984:

The only games that are required to work on Xbox one, are MS exclusive games, and even then only for like, a year.

Multiplats can do anything they want. If they want to, they can release on Xbox one as well, but they don’t have to. They can release just on SX no problem, and hence, not have to worry about this.

Why are you under any other assumption?

 

[joe_zazen]

Typing this number 7,984:

The only games that are required to work on Xbox one, are MS exclusive games, and even then only for like, a year.

Multiplats can do anything they want. If they want to, they can release on Xbox one as well, but they don’t have to. They can release just on SX no problem, and hence, not have to worry about this.

Why are you under any other assumption?

and lockhart according to rumour, hence the irritated dev tweet from schrier

 

[Soadi]

I mean if Sony wasn’t confident in it’s console probably wouldn’t even adressed it at CES right? I mean they showed a logo..

 

[DaMonsta]

3rd party devs will willingly make cross gen games until they can’t anymore.

The rumors of devs being unhappy with Lockhart don’t jive with reality and seems more of a narrative driven by “insiders” and forum posters than any real concern.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

and lockhart according to rumour, hence the irritated dev tweet from schrier

Lockheart is a different beast because it hasn’t been officially even announced. There is still every chance it will be canned, and I hope it does, because it’s not needed.

However...

The rumoured spec is absolutely fine to run SX spec games, just at 1080p. And the reason developers are pissed about it, is because they have to create two skus now independent of each other. (Whereas for Xbox one x and Xbox one, It was essentially make the game, then make a flag to see if it’s running on an x and bump up X/Y/Z.)

But as for games having to run on Xbox one, they quite simply don’t, and it’s some stupid lie that keeps getting spread about for some silly reason.

 

[Neo Blaster]

Let's talk clearly. I am the first one who loves Sony, but for the moment we have to admit that at the moment some bad decisions are being made that remind me of the MS game with Conker and then not announce it and leave his followers wrong. We must recognize that publishing a web page of your product saying that "we are not ready to show it" is NOT a good decision and creates uncertainty.

It's exactly the opposite, have you seen the amount of posts regarding PS5 on their official Twitter account? People are starving for information, and by launching a site for PS5 informing they cannot share info right now and allowing people to subscribe for future information shows they are listening to their customers and addressing their anxiety.

 

[CyberPanda]

The OP on Reee asked for a self ban in the next gen thread. Lol

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

That's nothing, they'll have to worry about developing for 1.3 tflops jaguar CPU Xbox One for the first two years. Let them worry about Lockhart after that.

1st year; that comment was from E3 2019. And it's not even a mandate for 3rd parties...in fact I think at some point they'll rescind it as a mandate for 1st party if they haven't already.

That said we never got the full context of what cross-gen meant in terms of how things are now; might not have been the same as what we saw at beginning of this gen between PS4/XBO and PS3/360.

The OP on Reee asked for a self ban in the next gen thread. Lol

Which one? They've got like a truckload of the damn threads xD

 

[Mendou]

That's nothing, they'll have to worry about developing for 1.3 tflops jaguar CPU Xbox One for the first two years. Let them worry about Lockhart after that.

They're going to develop games for the Xbox One and upscale them to the Series X. That's the only logical way I see this going. Phil Spencer BTW doesn't have a background in developing/working with video games - he has a bachelor in Business and originally worked with Microsoft on projects other than gaming. Maybe that's why he doesn't understand this. The man plays games, he doesn't produce them.

Don Mattrick for all the hate he got was legitimately a game developer and spent most of his life in the gaming industry. People forget how well Kinect succeeded with the Xbox 360 - making it only logical to try and include it with the Xbox One and see its true potential. Most people wouldn't have cared if it was sold for $400, but of course that's not what happened. The man left the industry after the immense hatred he received by writing an open letter reassuring Xbox fans that the DRM and other non-consumer friendly features of the Xbox One would be removed.

I didn't intend to write this much in response to you, but I just wanted to make sure everyone understands the background that Phil is coming from. He's a business man - meaning he intends to make Microsoft's next few XSX games to run on as many Xbox platforms as possible so that they make as much money as possible.

 

[CyberPanda]

1st year; that comment was from E3 2019. And it's not even a mandate for 3rd parties...in fact I think at some point they'll rescind it as a mandate for 1st party if they haven't already.

That said we never got the full context of what cross-gen meant in terms of how things are now; might not have been the same as what we saw at beginning of this gen between PS4/XBO and PS3/360.



Which one? They've got like a truckload of the damn threads xD

The main next gen thread. The one they always fight in

 

[SlimySnake]

The rumors of devs being unhappy with Lockhart don’t jive with reality and seems more of a narrative driven by “insiders” and forum posters than any real concern.

on the contrary. No insider or forum posters have claimed that devs are upset with the lockhart. the news was first broken by Richard from DF at E3. And then later confirmed by Jason Schrier 6 months later after Lockhart was revived. Both mentioned how their sources were devs themselves.

The only thing that doesnt jive with reality is that a 4 tflops GPU wouldnt hold back a 12 tflops console.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

They're going to develop games for the Xbox One and upscale them to the Series X. That's the only logical way I see this going.

 

[DaMonsta]

on the contrary. No insider or forum posters have claimed that devs are upset with the lockhart. the news was first broken by Richard from DF at E3. And then later confirmed by Jason Schrier 6 months later after Lockhart was revived. Both mentioned how their sources were devs themselves.

No, if you read the quotes it was their speculation, based off rumors and speculation, not any direct quote from a dev.

The only thing that doesnt jive with reality is that a 4 tflops GPU wouldnt hold back a 12 tflops console.

Yes so when PS5 and XSX release 4tf GPUs will just be worthless and unsupported by devs.

Devs hate the idea of a 1070 existing cause it’s holding back games on the 2080.

Shits laughably ridiculous.

 

[Gamernyc78]

They're going to develop games for the Xbox One and upscale them to the Series X. That's the only logical way I see this going. Phil Spencer BTW doesn't have a background in developing/working with video games - he has a bachelor in Business and originally worked with Microsoft on projects other than gaming. Maybe that's why he doesn't understand this. The man plays games, he doesn't produce them.

Don Mattrick for all the hate he got was legitimately a game developer and spent most of his life in the gaming industry. People forget how well Kinect succeeded with the Xbox 360 - making it only logical to try and include it with the Xbox One and see its true potential. Most people wouldn't have cared if it was sold for $400, but of course that's not what happened. The man left the industry after the immense hatred he received by writing an open letter reassuring Xbox fans that the DRM and other non-consumer friendly features of the Xbox One would be removed.

I didn't intend to write this much in response to you, but I just wanted to make sure everyone understands the background that Phil is coming from. He's a business man - meaning he intends to make Microsoft's next few XSX games to run on as many Xbox platforms as possible so that they make as much money as possible.

He's definitely not a Cerny. Great insight on the matter bcus some ppl don't understand that.

 

[Mendou]

on the contrary. No insider or forum posters have claimed that devs are upset with the lockhart. the news was first broken by Richard from DF at E3. And then later confirmed by Jason Schrier 6 months later after Lockhart was revived. Both mentioned how their sources were devs themselves.

The only thing that doesnt jive with reality is that a 4 tflops GPU wouldnt hold back a 12 tflops console.

In would for example be the difference of having a game built/designed directly around its ray-tracing potential as opposed to traditional shaders.

 

[SlimySnake]

No, if you read the quotes it was their speculation, based off rumors and speculation, not any direct quote from a dev.


Yes so when PS5 and XSX release 4tf GPUs will just be worthless and unsupported by devs.

Devs hate the idea of a 1070 existing cause it’s holding back games on the 2080.

Shits laughably ridiculous.

ever heard of minimum requirements on PC?

 

[sinnergy]

Spencer was a programmer at MS... was it’s first job there .

Phil Spencer Is Exactly Who You Think He Is

How the head of Xbox is preparing for the future.

www.google.nl

So I don’t know what you guys are on.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

ever heard of minimum requirements on PC?

Thats why games are so optimized on console vs PC they do not have to work with such a huge variance in specs, YET.

 

[Smoke6]

that is only for MS games, no? Others are free to make next gen only games, but they are not allowed to make xsx only games if they want to release on xbox. the rumor is lockhart is mandatory, not x1.

ps fuck typing on ios.

This doesn’t even makes sense if all games in their ecosystem are to be forwards compatible which means you have to develop for them all correct?

 

[Cobenzl]

They're going to develop games for the Xbox One and upscale them to the Series X. That's the only logical way I see this going. Phil Spencer BTW doesn't have a background in developing/working with video games - he has a bachelor in Business and originally worked with Microsoft on projects other than gaming. Maybe that's why he doesn't understand this. The man plays games, he doesn't produce them.

Don Mattrick for all the hate he got was legitimately a game developer and spent most of his life in the gaming industry. People forget how well Kinect succeeded with the Xbox 360 - making it only logical to try and include it with the Xbox One and see its true potential. Most people wouldn't have cared if it was sold for $400, but of course that's not what happened. The man left the industry after the immense hatred he received by writing an open letter reassuring Xbox fans that the DRM and other non-consumer friendly features of the Xbox One would be removed.

I didn't intend to write this much in response to you, but I just wanted to make sure everyone understands the background that Phil is coming from. He's a business man - meaning he intends to make Microsoft's next few XSX games to run on as many Xbox platforms as possible so that they make as much money as possible.

Eh? Guy spends his days as head of XBOX speaking to business, hardware and software developers and doesn't understand the game development pipeline? Hmm....not sure if serious.

 

[01011001]

In would for example be the difference of having a game built/designed directly around its ray-tracing potential as opposed to traditional shaders.

its absolutely not.
a 4TF RDNA2 GPU can easily play any game the 12TF RDNA2 GPU can play at 1/4 of the resolution.
meaning a game targeting 4k60 on the 12tf gpu can run at the same settings on the 4TF card if you drop the resolution to 1080p

as long as the feature set and the rest of the hardware is identical.

the rumours about annoyed devs said they had an issue with the fact Lockhart had less RAM, not because it has a worse GPU.
so up the amount of RAM and you're good.

 

[Nikana]

They're going to develop games for the Xbox One and upscale them to the Series X. That's the only logical way I see this going. Phil Spencer BTW doesn't have a background in developing/working with video games - he has a bachelor in Business and originally worked with Microsoft on projects other than gaming. Maybe that's why he doesn't understand this. The man plays games, he doesn't produce them.

Don Mattrick for all the hate he got was legitimately a game developer and spent most of his life in the gaming industry. People forget how well Kinect succeeded with the Xbox 360 - making it only logical to try and include it with the Xbox One and see its true potential. Most people wouldn't have cared if it was sold for $400, but of course that's not what happened. The man left the industry after the immense hatred he received by writing an open letter reassuring Xbox fans that the DRM and other non-consumer friendly features of the Xbox One would be removed.

I didn't intend to write this much in response to you, but I just wanted to make sure everyone understands the background that Phil is coming from. He's a business man - meaning he intends to make Microsoft's next few XSX games to run on as many Xbox platforms as possible so that they make as much money as possible.

Will have to disagree there. On paper it made sense but the capabilities of the Kinect in the gaming realm was very quickly recognized along the same lines as the wii remote. Very good at one or two things but not able to be integrated in a way that was natural and fitting. The tech was super impressive and still is, but it didn't make a ton of sense to force the Xbox to be its trojan horse. At least not at the cost to the consumer.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Oh god not this talk again, Jesus, this thread is like a bloody merry go round...

Ok, let’s do it all over again...

- MS will be releasing barely a handful of games that will run on the One as well as the SX, nobody else has to do this, only MS exclusives. That’s like, 5 and under games, that will do this.

- the quality of these ports is not decided as we don’t know, however from my own personal experience, will be nothing to worry about. They will make games for the SX and then port down, as it’s easier to remove than to add. I’ve been developing high end media for years, and have never, ever “ported up”. It’s much easier to create to a target spec and then remove stuff, lower mips and reduce lods.

- the theoretical lock heart specs are created in a way to run the SX media and code with no changes but possibly at reduced quality, and at a reduced (1080p) resolution. It may have less memory, however a lot of people are blissfully unaware that of you drop resolution, you can actually run with less memory without much worry.

- lockheart(if it will even release) will include an SSD and the same spec CPU, meaning everything the SX can do, the lockheart can do, just at lower resolution.

- You’re a complete tit if you feel that the Xbox will be the only one that will have cross generation ports/games.

 

[DaMonsta]

ever heard of minimum requirements on PC?

Yup.

But I never heard a dev say “minimum requirements” are holding games back.

And I know for certain a ~1070 level card will be supported by devs for a good while into the future.

 

[darkinstinct]

Schrier said devs hate lockhart, it makes their job hard and places limits. on their designs. I am guessing that is why they don't praise MS.

What if ... devs wouldn't have to do any work at all for Lockhart? What if it just works by taking the Anaconda version and running it at dynamic 1080p, with all features activated? All that would need to happen for that is a mandate that all Anaconda games have to run at dynamic 4K. Which also helps with next next gen, because everything BC will just be native 4K. From all we know there is no Lockhart devkit out there, yet of course every game that launches on XSX would have to run on Lockhart. And more importantly, xCloud will probably have a free layer and a paid layer, just like Stadia. 4K streaming will cost you,, 1080p will be free. Wouldn't it make sense to use hardware specifically created to run the games at 1080p on Lockhart server blades instead of Anaconda server blades? Why waste 8 TF of performance, why take the additional hardware cost?

 

[darkinstinct]

This doesn’t even makes sense if all games in their ecosystem are to be forwards compatible which means you have to develop for them all correct?

Xbox Games Studios games will be forwards compatible (aka cross gen) for the next up to 20 months. Not everything else.

 

[Agnostic2020]

its absolutely not.
a 4TF RDNA2 GPU can easily play any game the 12TF RDNA2 GPU can play at 1/4 of the resolution.
meaning a game targeting 4k60 on the 12tf gpu can run at the same settings on the 4TF card if you drop the resolution to 1080p

as long as the feature set and the rest of the hardware is identical.

the rumours about annoyed devs said they had an issue with the fact Lockhart had less RAM, not because it has a worse GPU.
so up the amount of RAM and you're good.

Xsx isnt even rdna2. Let alone lockhart

 

[Burrito Bandito]

They're going to develop games for the Xbox One and upscale them to the Series X. That's the only logical way I see this going. Phil Spencer BTW doesn't have a background in developing/working with video games - he has a bachelor in Business and originally worked with Microsoft on projects other than gaming. Maybe that's why he doesn't understand this. The man plays games, he doesn't produce them.

Don Mattrick for all the hate he got was legitimately a game developer and spent most of his life in the gaming industry. People forget how well Kinect succeeded with the Xbox 360 - making it only logical to try and include it with the Xbox One and see its true potential. Most people wouldn't have cared if it was sold for $400, but of course that's not what happened. The man left the industry after the immense hatred he received by writing an open letter reassuring Xbox fans that the DRM and other non-consumer friendly features of the Xbox One would be removed.

I didn't intend to write this much in response to you, but I just wanted to make sure everyone understands the background that Phil is coming from. He's a business man - meaning he intends to make Microsoft's next few XSX games to run on as many Xbox platforms as possible so that they make as much money as possible.

ok but im 10000% sure there are hundreds of people around him that would advise him on such matters.

this might sound crazy but i think they know what they are doing more so than you do or anyone here for that matter. If you think they are making a 12tf console just so it can upscale 1.3tflop xb1 games then you are being naive. Thats not how this is going to work.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

He's definitely not a Cerny. Great insight on the matter bcus some ppl don't understand that.

Phil was working at MS in other capacities including design and programming before this role.

Also, we are talking about the same Cerny who said Ps3 was 2tf right? The same guy?

Nobody is infallible, nobody. Cerny has zero personality and comes off a bit creepy, but knows his tech. He just over sells it. Phil doesn’t know tech like Cerny but is much more face friendly, however he too likes to over promise.

They BOTH have flaws. But Phil took over a complete shit tip from Xbox last gen, so give him some credit, however small.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Xsx isnt even rdna2. Let alone lockhart

Please, show us your spec sheet, oh wise one?

 

[SlimySnake]

Phil was working at MS in other capacities including design and programming before this role.

Also, we are talking about the same Cerny who said Ps3 was 2tf right? The same guy?

Nobody is infallible, nobody. Cerny hd zero personality and comes off a bit creepy, but knows his tech. He just over sells it. Phil doesn’t know tech like Cerny but is much more face friendly, however he too likes to over promise.

They BOTH have flaws. But Phil took over a complete shit tip from Xbox last gen, so give him some credit, however small.

nvidia said the ps3 was 2 tflops. cerny had nothing to do with the ps3.

he said the ps4 was close to 2 tflops and 1.84 tflops is very close to 2 tflops. if you include the 100 gflops cpu, we get even closer to 2.0 tflops.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

nvidia said the ps3 was 2 tflops. cerny had nothing to do with the ps3.

he said the ps4 was close to 2 tflops and 1.84 tflops is very close to 2 tflops. if you include the 100 gflops cpu, we get even closer to 2.0 tflops.

This is true, I just googled it and saw he came on for the ps4, not 3.

So I’ll flip the discussion a tad and say a company is more than one person

 

[01011001]

Xsx isnt even rdna2. Let alone lockhart

my comparison was based on the github leaks, if we go with the leakers that say the SX is RDNA1 at around 9-10tf then Lockhart would even be less of an issue compared to the situation where the SX is 12tf rdna2

4TF RDNA can run literally everything a 9TF RDNA gpu can run... and the resolution difference would be way smaller even.
with these numbers 4k60 SX games could easily target 1440p60 on Lockhart with the exact same settings. we could expect the difference to be similar to the difference between One X and PS4 pro. here we also usually see a difference of up to 2x the pixels on One X...
and that difference would manifest in a comparison between 4TF Lockhart and 9TF Series X

 

[hemo memo]

I mean if Sony wasn’t confident in it’s console probably wouldn’t even adressed it at CES right? I mean they showed a logo..

Confident? That they showed the logo, remained silent just to launch a PS5 page saying they are not ready? That’s confidence?

 

[Mendou]

They will make games for the SX and then port down, as it’s easier to remove than to add. I’ve been developing high end media for years, and have never, ever “ported up”. It’s much easier to create to a target spec and then remove stuff, lower mips and reduce lods.

While your statement makes sense, the reason why I said they'd upscale Xbox One games is because the games wouldn't be designed around having an SSD or a stronger CPU. I don't know what that entails exactly, but you can't just 'port down' seamless levels with no load barriers or better physics/AI.

 

[sonomamashine]

Sorry i must have missed something, why all of the sudden it's 9Tf instead of crazy numbers, what happened ?

 

[Niked]

Then you obviously haven’t lived through multiple console generations like I have.

At this point in time, and this is true, I’ve read people essentially saying they don’t care if the SX is half the price of the Ps5 and twice as powerful, they just won’t get it because they don’t like Xbox.

And that’s fine. It’s a bit of a shit attitude to take but it’s fine.

But don't underestimate the willpower of a diehard fanboy. It’s like asking an Arsenal supporter to start cheering on Man United for a game... It doesn’t work in their brains. They are so brainwashed to the idea that anything else cant be good, they simply won’t entertain it, regardless of merit.

So yeah, I stand by what I said. Sony could release a machine far less powerful and more money, and it would still sell more than the Xbox. Because the real world doesn’t give a shiny rats arse about what’s under the hood, they just give a shit about the logo on the box. It’s the same for any product, and always will be. Look at your phone, fancy changing makes? What about your trainers? Or car? Think about it. You go with what you like, and you very rarely change, because we are after all creatures of habit, and even when you’re older, playground street cred still enters your head. Otherwise we would all be wearing ASDA trainers and driving skodas.

Are you Ken Kutaragi?

 

[darkinstinct]

Sorry i must have missed something, why all of the sudden it's 9Tf instead of crazy numbers, what happened ?

Reality.

 

[SlimySnake]

This is true, I just googled it and saw he came on for the ps4, not 3.

So I’ll flip the discussion a tad and say a company is more than one person

I think Phil knows what hes talking about. Sure Cerny might have more technical know how but its silly to say that Phil has no idea how games are developed. He knows what a lockhart will do to the anaconda games. his own devs wouldve told him. the fact that hes going through with it regardless of dev objections means he has weighed the pros and cons and is going ahead with it.

Hellblade 2 gives me hope though. It seems like anaconda will be the lead platform and lockhart will be the bastard child that gets scraps. games will get downported and run like shit like most switch ports. i wouldnt be surprised if they run at 720p checkerboard. there is no way hellblade 2 will run at 1080p on a 4 tflops console. not with those graphics. it barely even runs at 24 fps and 1600p on the 12 tflops console.

and you know what? im ok with that. couldnt care less about whoever buys that console. people should know they get what they pay for. everyone seems to love the switch ports so maybe the lockhart owners wont mind blurry and severely gutted ports.

 

[DJ12]

Sorry i must have missed something, why all of the sudden it's 9Tf instead of crazy numbers, what happened ?

Hopeful xbox fans running wild again as all the PS fans are deflated because they believed there would be an announcement.

 

[FERN]

Am I the only one who would love to see a brand new Twisted Metal game???

We haven't had one since 2012 on the PS3. I think that game would look and play amazing on PS5/XSX

 

[splattered]

Ok so let me get this straight... people here think that third party developers are going to completely ignore the MASSIVE current gen user base and jump straight to making games that ONLY work on brand new consoles right out of the gate? What the hell kind of drugs are you people on?

So you're telling me that all multiplatform games that are currently in development for release this year and next and maybe even a couple years forward to some degree.... are just going to totally snub hundreds of millions of console owners just assuming that they're all upgrading on day one or within the first year?

OF COURSE all devs are going to cross gen develop games for the next year or two.

They would be bat shit insane to try and strong arm force everyone to go out and buy a next gen console whether consumers want to or not (and can afford to for that matter)

People need to get over this "lockhart is holding back the industry" nonsense because hate to be the one to tell you but it's the Xbox One S and Ps4 Slim that will be holding back the industry for maybe a good 2+ years.

EVENTUALLY there will be a healthy enough user base with PS5, and XSX that they can finally drop previous GCN gen support.

If Lockhart really does contain similar but lower specs to XsX it is in no way shape or form going to hurt game development. Because it wont be previous gen. It will be a next gen system that runs games in lower resolutions than what big brother's max settings provide. Much more simple a concept than people are making it out to be.

Lockhart runs game X at dynamic 4k 60fps.

XsX runs same game X at native 4k 60fps

Or Lockhart runs game X at native 1440p 60fps.

We already see crossplay games between ps4 pro and X1X that run fine together even with visual differences.

Quit being drama queens about it already.

It's not going to be an issue.

(if Lockhart is even REAL!)