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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Gavin Stevens

Formerly 'o'dium'
I think more what he was trying to say was that some developers can get more out of a system than others.

But let’s not resort to name calling and school yard tactics. Bit too much of that in here atm. I’m sure your plastic box of choice will be fine people.
 

RasAlGhoul

Member
I think more what he was trying to say was that some developers can get more out of a system than others.

But let’s not resort to name calling and school yard tactics. Bit too much of that in here atm. I’m sure your plastic box of choice will be fine people.

But, but, but my toy is the best toy!!!!
 

Gediminas

Banned
You're saying the reason there's different PS5 tflop count being reported by different insiders is because it depends how devs feel about the power of the console and I'm the ignorant one? Ok dude, you have a nice day too lol.

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i am saying that it depends from developer and tools that they are using. but you just ignorant and dumb, so basically your small brains just sees most recognizable word.
 

demigod

Member
Hey brother love your post so i figure i join in. Heard that Sony is indeed afraid to show the form factor thats why they are in wait and see mode. Form factor dead giveaway, and also these consoles are indeed 499, or wait and see mode is worried that both are that price and one has superior specs . Hence why we are in waiting mode , some On team X wanna go bold and say specs, because they know what they have in machine is more powerful “also more expensive”, but cooler heads prevail, let the weaker one try and decide gameplan & wait out. Reveal set for April but who knows for Now for Xnormous. Also this ssd hype, heard both will be same, and Xnormous will actually have better Ray Traces = More Cus. Anyway thats my sights and when the time comes i will either anti up or I will graciously love everyone here and accept another medal . None the less love you all

Plz enlighten us on what this “form factor dead giveaway” is.
 

Reindeer

Member
i am saying that it depends from developer and tools that they are using. but you just ignorant and dumb, so basically your small brains just sees most recognizable word.
So their tools are given them different tflop count or do they meditate and get that count based on their feelings? Dude, just stop, no need to throw insults just because you have no argument and you are saying bogus things. Even "Tales From My Arse" was more convincing then whatever nonsense you're saying.
 
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EliteSmurf

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Hey brother love your post so i figure i join in. Heard that Sony is indeed afraid to show the form factor thats why they are in wait and see mode. Form factor dead giveaway, and also these consoles are indeed 499, or wait and see mode is worried that both are that price and one has superior specs . Hence why we are in waiting mode , some On team X wanna go bold and say specs, because they know what they have in machine is more powerful “also more expensive”, but cooler heads prevail, let the weaker one try and decide gameplan & wait out. Reveal set for April but who knows for Now for Xnormous. Also this ssd hype, heard both will be same, and Xnormous will actually have better Ray Traces = More Cus. Anyway thats my sights and when the time comes i will either anti up or I will graciously love everyone here and accept another medal . None the less love you all
"Accept another medal" ?
They don't give medals out for being a fake insider on Gaf and posting fantasy lists in there spare time you know ?
 

RasAlGhoul

Member
Hey brother love your post so i figure i join in. Heard that Sony is indeed afraid to show the form factor thats why they are in wait and see mode. Form factor dead giveaway, and also these consoles are indeed 499, or wait and see mode is worried that both are that price and one has superior specs . Hence why we are in waiting mode , some On team X wanna go bold and say specs, because they know what they have in machine is more powerful “also more expensive”, but cooler heads prevail, let the weaker one try and decide gameplan & wait out. Reveal set for April but who knows for Now for Xnormous. Also this ssd hype, heard both will be same, and Xnormous will actually have better Ray Traces = More Cus. Anyway thats my sights and when the time comes i will either anti up or I will graciously love everyone here and accept another medal . None the less love you all

I feel like I’d need to be on the spectrum to make sense of the grammar here.
 
Hey brother love your post so i figure i join in. Heard that Sony is indeed afraid to show the form factor thats why they are in wait and see mode. Form factor dead giveaway, and also these consoles are indeed 499, or wait and see mode is worried that both are that price and one has superior specs . Hence why we are in waiting mode , some On team X wanna go bold and say specs, because they know what they have in machine is more powerful “also more expensive”, but cooler heads prevail, let the weaker one try and decide gameplan & wait out. Reveal set for April but who knows for Now for Xnormous. Also this ssd hype, heard both will be same, and Xnormous will actually have better Ray Traces = More Cus. Anyway thats my sights and when the time comes i will either anti up or I will graciously love everyone here and accept another medal . None the less love you all

 

Gediminas

Banned
So their tools are given them different tflop count or do they meditate and get that count based on their feelings? Dude, just stop, no need to throw insults just because you have no argument and you are saying bogus things.
yes, Red Dead Redemption 2, Death Stranding graphics = Fallout 76. congrats. what a f genius. -IQ.
 

Reindeer

Member
yes, Red Dead Redemption 2, Death Stranding graphics = Fallout 76. congrats. what a f genius. -IQ.
I like how you do the math there to get different tflop count lol. You do know devs can easily check the hardware without waiting for their feelings to tell them what APU is in the console, right? Seriously, just stop it.
 

HarryKS

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Hey brother love your post so i figure i join in. Heard that Sony is indeed afraid to show the form factor thats why they are in wait and see mode. Form factor dead giveaway, and also these consoles are indeed 499, or wait and see mode is worried that both are that price and one has superior specs . Hence why we are in waiting mode , some On team X wanna go bold and say specs, because they know what they have in machine is more powerful “also more expensive”, but cooler heads prevail, let the weaker one try and decide gameplan & wait out. Reveal set for April but who knows for Now for Xnormous. Also this ssd hype, heard both will be same, and Xnormous will actually have better Ray Traces = More Cus. Anyway thats my sights and when the time comes i will either anti up or I will graciously love everyone here and accept another medal . None the less love you all
How does it feel?
 

Gediminas

Banned
I like how you do the math there to get different tflop count lol. You do know devs can easily check the hardware without waiting for their feelings to tell them what APU is in the console, right? Seriously, just stop it.
yes, -IQ man, we need to stop it. this is just too much for you, no need to drag it. Man of War's axe is unforgiven :D
 

OsirisBlack

Banned
Hey brother love your post so i figure i join in. Heard that Sony is indeed afraid to show the form factor thats why they are in wait and see mode. Form factor dead giveaway, and also these consoles are indeed 499, or wait and see mode is worried that both are that price and one has superior specs . Hence why we are in waiting mode , some On team X wanna go bold and say specs, because they know what they have in machine is more powerful “also more expensive”, but cooler heads prevail, let the weaker one try and decide gameplan & wait out. Reveal set for April but who knows for Now for Xnormous. Also this ssd hype, heard both will be same, and Xnormous will actually have better Ray Traces = More Cus. Anyway thats my sights and when the time comes i will either anti up or I will graciously love everyone here and accept another medal . None the less love you all
Not sure what they have to be afraid of and the price has been (rumored to be) $499 for a while now and that’s at a loss. SSD being the same? First I’d have heard about it but I’m sure you have direct access to Phil, tell him K said hello. Better ray tracing also, whew I guess Sony should just cancel the PS5 altogether and get out of the gaming business. Form factor, guessing you’re the only one in this forum that hasn’t seen the bulky, loud and hot PS5 dev kit. There’s a reason for that and not just because it looks like the Roman numeral five. You’re probably right though, Sony is doomed.

Edited to add: And weaker.
 
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I love when SOME people act like they're netrual & they HOPE both consoles be 10tf+ and then when someone comes out & say that your favorite console ain't the most powerful, you show your teeth & start attacking others & act like you know shit. Plz next time don't hide your teeth just show who you really are.

I just added the "neutral user" to my ignored list. Oh man, it feels good now.
 
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Mriverz

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Not sure what they have to be afraid of and the price has been (rumored to be) $499 for a while now and that’s at a loss. SSD being the same? First I’d have heard about it but I’m sure you have direct access to Phil, tell him K said hello. Better ray tracing also, whew I guess Sony should just cancel the PS5 altogether and get out of the gaming business. Form factor, guessing you’re the only one in this form that hasn’t seen the bulky, loud and hot PS5 dev kit. There’s a reason for that and not just because it looks like the Roman numeral five. You’re probably right though, Sony is doomed.

Edited to add: And weaker.

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Not sure what they have to be afraid of and the price has been (rumored to be) $499 for a while now and that’s at a loss. SSD being the same? First I’d have heard about it but I’m sure you have direct access to Phil, tell him K said hello. Better ray tracing also, whew I guess Sony should just cancel the PS5 altogether and get out of the gaming business. Form factor, guessing you’re the only one in this forum that hasn’t seen the bulky, loud and hot PS5 dev kit. There’s a reason for that and not just because it looks like the Roman numeral five. You’re probably right though, Sony is doomed.

Edited to add: And weaker.
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Shmunter

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You see, the point where either you or your source are complete liars is where it is suggested that the game has to run on current gen Xbox consoles. That's just made up BS. No third party developer would be stupid enough to support Xbox One S but do next gen only for the PS version (and leave 110 million potential customers). So somebody clearly thought they could make a point out of the whole "crossgen only" story for Xbox Series X and was not able to grasp that only games from Xbox Game Studios have to be crossgen. And not everything that wants to launch on XSX. Which in turn tells me that the rest is just as made-up. Osiris, you got to try harder, that's the most transparent troll post I have seen yet.
Wait, so the 3rd party mandate for Xbox has been announced by Microsoft as the platform holder? So far everything has been pointing to Xbox being the platform, not Series X. No differentiation has been made between 1st and 3rd party.

But your right, if making Xbox S game, you’d expect PS4 version. Otherwise increased 3rd party PS5 exclusives are assured as far as what has actually been stated thus far.
 
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LED Guy?

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Well, here’s my take on this Oberon leak, let’s say that what we saw from from the leak is the PS5’s final retail specifications (36 CU X 2000 MHz = 9.2 TF). Well...

1. That 2000 MHz GPU clock is too high for a console and wouldn’t work at all for a known console form factor, it’ll fry it up immediately.

2. Let’s say IF it worked by using the same form factor as the Xbox Series X (which is really the 1st time we’ve seen a console form factor like that), they would have to invest in a much more aggressive cooling solution than the XSX for that 2000 MHz clock, which would increase and make Its BOM as much as XSX while having a 30% less GPU power, they’ll end up releasing PS5 at an identical price tag of $500 while having 30% less GPU power.

Mark Cerny would be stupid if he did one of those decisions above.

You guys see why this Oberon leak doesn’t make any sense? It just lacks context, as Digital Foundry have put it, and it really negates everything insiders & journalists said about the PS5, guys like Jason, Matt, Kleegamefan, Andrew Reiner (Game Informer Editor In-chief), Colin Moriarty, etc...

And speaking of Colin and Andrew, both have stated PS5 is more powerful than XSX which at that time according to Arthur Gies (from Polygon) said the XSX 12 TF thing was known for a while since E3 2019, so if the PS5 really is 9.2 TF from a long time ago (Oberon last testing was in June 2019) then why is it more powerful than a 12 TF XSX at that time?

You see guys? That’s why I really do not believe in that Oberon leak or maybe because it lacks context because we (people) are from the outside looking in (the leak) so all we see is just incomplete info, that’s all.

I hope you guys read this comment especially a guy who I have been reading his comments a lot on ResetEra and that guy is vivftp vivftp

Hey Vivftp, you should read my comment and maybe share some ideas from my speculations to the members of ResetEra because I think they forget a lot of things about the old reports and such and I just wanted to see what they’ll say about my comments/ideas. Cheers!
 
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vivftp

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Well, here’s my take on this Oberon leak, let’s say that what we saw from from the leak is the PS5’s final retail specifications (36 CU X 2000 MHz = 9.2 TF). Well...

1. That 2000 MHz GPU clock is too high for a console and wouldn’t work at all for a known console form factor, it’ll fry it up immediately.

2. Let’s say IF it worked by using the same form factor as the Xbox Series X (which is really the 1st time we’ve seen a console form factor like that), they would have to invest in a much more aggressive cooling solution than the XSX for that 2000 MHz clock, which would increase and make Its BOM as much as XSX while having a 30% less GPU power, they’ll end up releasing PS5 at an identical price tag of $500 while having 30% less GPU power.

Mark Cerny would be stupid if he did one of those decisions above.

You guys see why this Oberon leak doesn’t make any sense? It just lacks context, as Digital Foundry have put it, and it really negates everything insiders & journalists said about the PS5, guys like Jason, Matt, Kleegamefan, Andrew Reiner (Game Informer Editor In-chief), Colin Moriarty, etc...

And speaking of Colin and Andrew, both have stated PS5 is more powerful than XSX which at that time according to Arthur Gies (from Polygon) said the XSX 12 TF thing was known for a while since E3 2019, so if the PS5 really is 9.2 TF from a long time ago (Oberon last testing was in June 2019) then why is it more powerful than a 12 TF XSX at that time?

You see guys? That’s why I really do not believe in that Oberon leak or maybe because it lacks context because we (people) are from the outside looking in (the leak) so all we see is just incomplete info, that’s all.

I hope you guys read this comment especially a guy who I have been reading his comments a lot on ResetEra and that guy is vivftp vivftp

Hey Vivftp, you should read my comment and maybe share some ideas from my speculations to the members of ResetEra because I think they forget a lot of things about the old reports and such and I just wanted to see what they’ll say about my comments/ideas. Cheers!

Howdy, 😃

Yeah, I'm in full agreement that the Github leak lacks context so treating it as gospel ain't the way to go.

I'm afraid cross posting from this forum to that one is a bannable offense, but fortunately there are plenty of people there who share our feelings on the matter 😉

Can't wait for the PS5 reveal, I think it's gonna bring down both forums with all that traffic 😁
 

LED Guy?

Banned
Howdy, 😃

Yeah, I'm in full agreement that the Github leak lacks context so treating it as gospel ain't the way to go.

I'm afraid cross posting from this forum to that one is a bannable offense, but fortunately there are plenty of people there who share our feelings on the matter 😉

Can't wait for the PS5 reveal, I think it's gonna bring down both forums with all that traffic 😁
Oh OK I understand now, love your comments by the way!
 
Not sure what they have to be afraid of and the price has been (rumored to be) $499 for a while now and that’s at a loss. SSD being the same? First I’d have heard about it but I’m sure you have direct access to Phil, tell him K said hello. Better ray tracing also, whew I guess Sony should just cancel the PS5 altogether and get out of the gaming business. Form factor, guessing you’re the only one in this forum that hasn’t seen the bulky, loud and hot PS5 dev kit. There’s a reason for that and not just because it looks like the Roman numeral five. You’re probably right though, Sony is doomed.

Edited to add: And weaker.
All good my friend and only one can be right. What i heard is that xbox has more expensive insides and it will surely show. 12 rdna is real, but as you know you and many other insiders said Feb meeting isnt happening. I had heard in late January that wouldnt be case. I usually dont bother Phil with the power stuff, heck ppl say that i dont even talk to Phil and im fine with that. All i know is when the time comes i cannot wait to see the spin. I usually try and stay away but i get nervous Xbox fans that send me your posts and even tho i told them thousands of times Xbox will be more powerful, they still are nervous. Power sure does matter, we all can agree. Going to be my 6th e3 Lord Willing , by then maybe we get some light.
 
Oh and the 499 thing. Its along the lines of what that smart well informed IGN of Japan editor alluded too. If Xbox came in at 499 w/ a large power delta gap, better tech, it might not be pretty , hence why sony cancelled “you said feb reveal” . They are really nervous about Xbox. even tho as Phil said , they view Google and amazon as the real players and Sony not so much. Take care brother.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
All good my friend and only one can be right. What i heard is that xbox has more expensive insides and it will surely show. 12 rdna is real, but as you know you and many other insiders said Feb meeting isnt happening. I had heard in late January that wouldnt be case. I usually dont bother Phil with the power stuff, heck ppl say that i dont even talk to Phil and im fine with that. All i know is when the time comes i cannot wait to see the spin. I usually try and stay away but i get nervous Xbox fans that send me your posts and even tho i told them thousands of times Xbox will be more powerful, they still are nervous. Power sure does matter, we all can agree. Going to be my 6th e3 Lord Willing , by then maybe we get some light.
You are definitely public enemy number one in Sony fan's books.

As an aside, remember that ntkrnl MS leaker from around 2014 or 2015? You have an idea who that ever was? That guy came and went in a short period of time but just about all his bullet points were spot on. Was he an MS plant?
 
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hemo memo

Gold Member
Not sure what they have to be afraid of and the price has been (rumored to be) $499 for a while now and that’s at a loss. SSD being the same? First I’d have heard about it but I’m sure you have direct access to Phil, tell him K said hello. Better ray tracing also, whew I guess Sony should just cancel the PS5 altogether and get out of the gaming business. Form factor, guessing you’re the only one in this forum that hasn’t seen the bulky, loud and hot PS5 dev kit. There’s a reason for that and not just because it looks like the Roman numeral five. You’re probably right though, Sony is doomed.

Edited to add: And weaker.

At least he’s brave enough to say the reveal month. Something you have avoided.
 

xPikYx

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I really hope next gen consoles will deliver RT effects comparable to Control. IMO good lighting makes all the difference and even PS3 era games would look like new with RT lighting.

I already said many times, next generation will be the one of the "ray tracing remaster" like ps3/4 was for "HD remaster"
 

Jtibh

Banned
All good my friend and only one can be right. What i heard is that xbox has more expensive insides and it will surely show. 12 rdna is real, but as you know you and many other insiders said Feb meeting isnt happening. I had heard in late January that wouldnt be case. I usually dont bother Phil with the power stuff, heck ppl say that i dont even talk to Phil and im fine with that. All i know is when the time comes i cannot wait to see the spin. I usually try and stay away but i get nervous Xbox fans that send me your posts and even tho i told them thousands of times Xbox will be more powerful, they still are nervous. Power sure does matter, we all can agree. Going to be my 6th e3 Lord Willing , by then maybe we get some light.
The shit i read.......you must be or you have to be related to Dealer.
 

Stuart360

Member
Looks like SeX at 12TF and PS5 at 9.2TF every day that passes.

Sony being too chicken to tell gamers about PS5 doesn't help.

Last gen, PS4 was already itching the reveal and ready to PR 8gb GDDR5 ram.

Sony doesn't seem to excited this time.
To be fair, i bet Sex is around 9.5-10tf, and its RDNA vs GCN thats providing the '2 times OneX'
I could be wrong because i havent been following this thread much lately, but i think Spencer would of said 12tf if it really was. I mean 12tf RDNA would be what?, 15tf GCN?, i cant see that amount of power, and if it was i'm sure Phil would of said like 'over 2 and a half times the power of the OneX'.
 
All good my friend and only one can be right. What i heard is that xbox has more expensive insides and it will surely show. 12 rdna is real, but as you know you and many other insiders said Feb meeting isnt happening. I had heard in late January that wouldnt be case. I usually dont bother Phil with the power stuff, heck ppl say that i dont even talk to Phil and im fine with that. All i know is when the time comes i cannot wait to see the spin. I usually try and stay away but i get nervous Xbox fans that send me your posts and even tho i told them thousands of times Xbox will be more powerful, they still are nervous. Power sure does matter, we all can agree. Going to be my 6th e3 Lord Willing , by then maybe we get some light.


… First we gonna ROCK, Then we gonna ROLL ...

Then we let it POP, GO LET IT GO
 

Sinthor

Gold Member
So some are still claiming that Sony made the same mistake as the PS3 generation when the hardware was targeted to come out a year earlier? Doesn't that seem awfully strange/convenient? Sounds like recycled FUD to me but we will see. I for one don't see either company being that surprised with what the other releases. Like I said before, it's no secret MS is prioritizing top end power as they have a lot of marketshare to try and gain. Sony has a lot to defend as the market leader, but again as such, knows what MS is trying to do. I do think the boxes will be very similar in power. I expect MS to push the clock cycles again to give them a bit of an edge, and that may be the right strategy, especially if they can start making the market more iterative like we saw with the X1X and PS4Pro releases. If both companies can get their customers to start forking out for new hardware every few years instead of every 7-10 it's a huge win for them and then they can push the envelopes harder. In other words, won't' have to worry about reliability AS MUCH due to overclocking and heat. So that's what I mean about MS's strategy perhaps being the right one for the way the market is shifting. We will see! I've seen enough reports from supposed devs and insiders indicating that both are close enough to where I'm pretty confident that that's where we will be once the dust settles.

Until then, fun to speculate and the fans of each side can engage in all the pipe dreams that they want. Isn't it funny how we humans tend to be so tribal and extend our loyalties to things we have nothing to do with, like products, sports teams, etc.? It's like a miniature form of nationalism or something. Really fascinating to watch how that plays out in so many different areas. And some still wonder why and how things like racism and national scale conflicts, etc. still take place in the modern age? lol I swear parts of these online forums are worse than political debate forums! We are indeed tribal creatures.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
Phil talking to timdog tells me more about Phil than anyone else. im not even surprised. MS fans have always felt like a cult to me, and i have no doubt MS encourages it. Adam Greenberg tweeting back timdog all those years ago made no sense to me. After all, why pick out and tweet a random twitter fanboy? Wouldnt be surprised if Timdog and misterxmedia get invited to xbox fanfest as well. Why pay astroturfers when your fans will do the work for you.

It was crazy to see how so many xbox insiders came out of the woodwork immediately after the ps5 wired article proclaiming how the xbox was more powerful and that the PS5 didnt have hardware RT. they were verified so we were supposed to believe them. but it felt very coordinated and the timing was very suspicious. this was back in april so they couldnt have known about the github leaks either. but im guessing MS execs knew. Penello knew for sure. You promise Timdog the xbox is stronger and he convinces 16,000 followers on twitter just like that.

it's all very icky. i wish sony interacted with their fans a bit more, but the way timdog handles himself on twitter and here is simply not something MS or Phil Spencer should ever dream of associating with. Let alone encourage it like they have by using these fans to do controlled leaks, harass reporters like Andrew Reiner, Jason Schrier and Klee into submission, and flood forums with misinformation while harassing any insider that dares to say otherwise.
 

Ralf

Banned
To be fair, i bet Sex is around 9.5-10tf, and its RDNA vs GCN thats providing the '2 times OneX'
I could be wrong because i havent been following this thread much lately, but i think Spencer would of said 12tf if it really was. I mean 12tf RDNA would be what?, 15tf GCN?, i cant see that amount of power, and if it was i'm sure Phil would of said like 'over 2 and a half times the power of the OneX'.


"The relatively modest increase in clock speed over the previous-gen systems may seem mild, but vast improvements to caching, new silicon architecture, and other general bespoke, proprietary optimizations will see Anaconda perform anywhere up to four to five times better than the Xbox One X, if targets are met. "

POWER is not this same what PERFORMANCE.

POWER = 12 TF (2x6)
PERFORMANCE = 12TF x 1.25= 15TF GCN.
 
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