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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Oof! You DESTROYED him!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Let’s add Andrew Reiner from Game Inforner who said PS5 is more powerful in the GPU Flops than XSX.

Kleegamefan (Xbox fanboys’ #1 target) said both are double digits and PS5 is a bit more powerful than XSX in GPU Flops before anyone else.

Jason Schreier said both are more powerful than RTX 2080.

😇😇😇😇😇
Destroyed who? me? I asked a question, a simple one.

Do you have special fanboy pants you put on for every post dude? Are you 16 years old? Pathetic

It would be useful to everyone to have a repository of "who says what" because from what I've seen, there's alot of bouncing around going on
 

IkarugaDE

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I also want to note that among all the real teaser information, developers have always said that both consoles are going to be awesome. There was no leaked statement like "oh gosh the PS5 is so weak in comparison" from a dev. Sometimes no rumors also are rumors.
 

hemo memo

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I also want to note that among all the real teaser information, developers have always said that both consoles are going to be awesome. There was no leaked statement like "oh gosh the PS5 is so weak in comparison" from a dev. Sometimes no rumors also are rumors.

After the WiiU, I would put zero faith in whatever developers say about a console before launch.
 
M-V2 M-V2 MS will not place a console in the same price segment as Sony, if playstation brand gets momentum xbox will be doomed again. (maybe) MS has done the wise decision and created a premium and a cheaper segment. It's ABC of business management.

If the dev kits are so numerous, there would be numerous identical (accurate to the decimal) leaks.

MS strategy is not about competing with Sony/Nints on hardware sales, that's why they pushing Gamepass. They want to make hardware sales, but not at the expense of a hefty loss on each unit sold. So it'll come with a premium price, like $500, and they'd rather get the mindshare of 'we've got most powerful console' than cutting price just to tread water with the PS5 juggernaut in sales.

So take it to the bank, XSX will not be $400, it will be ~$500.
 
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LED Guy?

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Yeah he destroyed him with sources like ..Tommy fisher (😂😂😂😂), Osiris black (who got everything,,,,right, and by right I mean wrong, during the pro/Xbox one x period), Kleegamefan (a guy who was writing for gamefan and anyone that is old enough to remember gamefan remembers how.....ahem let’s put it gently and say very enthusiastic they were about everything and how many times they were proven wrong) who was saying that he will be back in February for Sony’s grand unveiling (but hey plans change) and Reiner who has posted absolutely nothing about the consoles for ages.

Can’t wait for Sony to FINALLY reveal ps5 specs cause yeah now they have TLOU2 and Ff remake to focus on while during the ps3’ final months they didn’t have......TLOU a new GOW title and GT6 to focus on.
Nope, Klee said things may change and it changed, he is the 1st one who said both consoles are double digits, 12 TF for both consoles, you can’t deny him 😉
 
OsirisBlack also said that devs were drunk at work. what a joke. Guys you are all being too gullible.
People believing osirisblack after the guy has been exposed so many times is weird. Hell Pachter was saying that the ps5 is a....1000$ machine while the XSX is a 500$ and then the Bloomberg article came and implied that Sony was targeting for a machine with a 400 $ BOM (and are now having issues due to price changes) while MS, according to a real insider , was always targeting 460$-520$.
Anyway the specs will eventually be released and all this madness will come to an end.
 

LED Guy?

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Destroyed who? me? I asked a question, a simple one.

Do you have special fanboy pants you put on for every post dude? Are you 16 years old? Pathetic

It would be useful to everyone to have a repository of "who says what" because from what I've seen, there's alot of bouncing around going on
Yo 🤣🤣

Calm down, you tried to act smart and cool and then you get DESTROYED!! 🤣🤣
 

M-V2

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Yeah he destroyed him with sources like ..Tommy fisher (😂😂😂😂), Osiris black (who got everything,,,,right, and by right I mean wrong, during the pro/Xbox one x period), Kleegamefan (a guy who was writing for gamefan and anyone that is old enough to remember gamefan remembers how.....ahem let’s put it gently and say very enthusiastic they were about everything and how many times they were proven wrong) who was saying that he will be back in February for Sony’s grand unveiling (but hey plans change) and Reiner who has posted absolutely nothing about the consoles for ages.

Can’t wait for Sony to FINALLY reveal ps5 specs cause yeah now they have TLOU2 and Ff remake to focus on while during the ps3’ final months they didn’t have......TLOU a new GOW title and GT6 to focus on.
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Nope, Klee said things may change and it changed, he is the 1st one who said both consoles are double digits, 12 TF for both consoles, you can’t deny him 😉
Of course I can, he said 12 tf AFTER a gazillion of more reliable media had reported it, there is no proof that the ps5 is double digits and he certainly started changing his tone after MS revealed the giant tower form of the XSX at the GA. Before that he wouldn’t shut up in era about how «ps5 this and ps5 that», after the XSX form reveal he went to radio silence before started crying about how people were harassing him (on a videogames forum😂😂😂😂) and asking for a self ban while threatening that he «will be back in February».
 
Yo 🤣🤣

Calm down, you tried to act smart and cool and then you get DESTROYED!! 🤣🤣
I asked an simple question that would benefit everyone here
and like the ittle ding dong you are, you went childish fanboy out of nowhere.
You dont belong in adult conversation pulling that silly shit kiddo.
Still cannot figure out how you turned that into fanboy bs
 
What he got them right so far:

XSX is 12 TF ✔
XSX RDNA2 (7nm+) ✔
PS5 has faster SSD ✔

Many people made those guesses, not just Tommy. And a lot did so before he did.

The guy is playing a guessing game where the odds are 50% for or against the guess. If you're piggybacking off what a majority are already speculating that ups your odds to land a right guess. That's all he has demonstrated so far: darts at the board with some landing as lucky guesses, around very vague specifications.

But as already mentioned, there were other people guessing at those things before Tommy did, they just weren't calling themselves insiders. Even other, credible insiders were speculating a lot of these things and Tommy would show up to piggyback off of that. I mean when you actually think about the possibilities, your ranges narrow down. XSX @ 12TF wasn't a hard guess: you're talking about a new console for a new generation so you'd think it would at least double the count of the X. RDNA2 was a relatively safe guess given when the system is set to launch, plus there was speculation on both full-blown RDNA2 and RDNA2 roadmap features pulled to an RDNA1 spec well before Tommy showed up. PS5 SSD being faster has been a speculation for a long time (and FWIW, that actually still hasn't been confirmed. It's just the favored trend in speculation for the SSD atm).

There's nothing to Tommy's speculation that seems insider-quality to me, they're no more in the know than the rest of us and I would argue actually less in the know on some terms if they don't know about certain market realities, where certain tech is at progress-wide for mass production viability, specifics on how some architecture works (I remember them claiming specifications that were pretty nonsensical or even impossible, such as with certain memory configurations), etc. That could apply to some of the other insiders too but they have track records (and some actual verification) on their side.

BGs BGs even highlighted 13.8TF as far as I unterstood it correctly. Would be extremely sick, but I'm still not really convinced.

I think he got that figure after reading the ITMedia article, but that article had some weird wording when mentioning it, saying something to the effect of "equivalent to 13.8TF of Radeon VII".

The wording there is open to questioning, just like Phil's wording of "twice the power of X" was at the TGAs. And the ITMedia article also gave some very low-end speculative figures as well, so I think it was just running a gamut of possibilities for the type of hardware power PS5 would need to hit certain targets, it wasn't actually making a claim for PS5 being of those mentioned targets.

If you translate 13.8 Radeon VII (a Vega II card, aka GCN 5.0) to RDNA, it gives you between 10.35TF Navi (low end, if efficiency is closer to 25%) and 11.04TF Navi (high end, if efficiency is closer to 20%). However, if you translate it to RDNA2 (and I'm going to be conservative here and give RDNA2 efficiency as being 10% more than RDNA1 and up to 30% more; some articles are claiming it's 50% but that seems very large and kinda PR'ish tbh), you can hit around 13.8TF Radeon VII with either: 9.66TF RDNA2 (30% efficiency over GCN), 8.97TF RDNA2 (35% efficiency over GCN), down to 6.9TF RDNA2 (50% efficiency over GCN) or even 6.21TF RDNA2 (55% efficiency over GCN). However I don't think the last two are going to happen because I doubt RDNA2 is that much of an efficiency boost over RDNA1.

As usual there's caveats; it depends on if PS5 is full-on RDNA2 or has RDNA2 features from the roadmap pulled ahead onto a customized RDNA1 chip. In that case the chip would still be RDNA1 but would also have RDNA2 features like VRS and RT on it, obviously. And the reason I still think that's the more probable scenario right now is because it's also the one thing all the Oberon benchmarks fit a pattern for, until (or unless) there's another stepping or revision that has documented proof show up, showing extra hardware (particularly CUs).

That's the main reason my own PS5 speculation still ranges from 10.44TF - 11.05TF RDNA1 w/RDNA2 features integrated into the silicon, as a best-case scenario. But again it needs another benchmark result to show up with hardware able to fit that amount, to cement that.. Worst-case scenario is it's 9.2TF - 10.24TF with the current line of Oberon chips. A larger chip able to push ahead of 11.05 while staying within the sweetspot range is less likely since we know Oberon E0 is as recent as December 2019, but it's possible. They could also push a 48CU chip to 2GHz for 12.28TF, which for all we know could be what they're doing. But again, we need a benchmark to show up with that type of setup to lend hard evidence to it, and it hasn't happened yet. Given the pretty wild development history PS5 seems to have been going through, it's more likely they'd have squeeze in another 12CUs to get to 52 but with 4 disabled to improve yields, working with the spec they'd have been working on since 2019 rather than completely scrapping it (and losing the multi-millions in R&D and architectural planning) to roll with a whole new chip just because of a competitor.

(* They could also just blast all 52 CUs of such a chip on and push to the upper end of the sweetspot for 11.9TF, virtually identical to XSX's 12 (I'm going to say XSX is 12.18TF since 56 CUs at lowest end of sweetspot range gives 12.18.*)

So even while I like and appreciate what guys like BGs BGs say on the matter, due to a lot of reasons (including NDAs I'm sure) they can't give too much context. And without that context I have to go to other channels to fill in the picture, since they have more of that context (data) and, moreso, data that's been showing a consistent pattern and been verified through actual products fitting that data precisely.
 
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LED Guy?

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Of course I can, he said 12 tf AFTER a gazillion of more reliable media had reported it, there is no proof that the ps5 is double digits and he certainly started changing his tone after MS revealed the giant tower form of the XSX at the GA. Before that he wouldn’t shut up in era about how «ps5 this and ps5 that», after the XSX form reveal he went to radio silence before started crying about how people were harassing him (on a videogames forum😂😂😂😂) and asking for a self ban while threatening that he «will be back in February».
Nope, he said double digits before all of them, 12 TFs were known as he said.
 
MS strategy is not about competing with Sony/Nints on hardware sales, that's why they pushing Gamepass. They want to make hardware sales, but not at the expense of a hefty loss on each unit sold. So it'll come with a premium price, like $500, and they'd rather get the mindshare of 'we've got most powerful console' than cutting price just to tread water with the PS5 juggernaut in sales.

So take it to the bank, XSX will not be $400, it will be ~$500.

My statements are speculations, based on my understanding of gaming business. I am sw dev ( not in gaming industry).
If you had Xbox SX and Playstation PS5 at 12tf (at the same price point). wouldn't you buy the PS5 for the sheer no of cheap ps4 exclusive titles and would you not believe that sony would go with marketing the exclusives ?
 
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LED Guy?

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I asked an simple question that would benefit everyone here
and like the ittle ding dong you are, you went childish fanboy out of nowhere.
You dont belong in adult conversation pulling that silly shit kiddo.
Still cannot figure out how you turned that into fanboy bs
OK, thought you were trolling, it was a misunderstanding, knowing from your history of posting like that all the time, but OK, I understand now.
 

Roronoa Zoro

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If Sony is more powerful or even now would be the time to reveal to COMPLETELY take the wind out of this reveal. Then again it won't probably make one bit of sales difference come November
 

ZywyPL

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It’s a bit different Sony merely shown a PS5 logo and console 9 months out from launching at retail. Microsoft shown their package/ box and most of the specs of the machine already known

Sony offered us nothing, and with the rumor PS5 has lower teraflops, you have to wonder did just go for 2x the power of the pro?

Custom RDNA 2 GPU may have unsettled Sony? The PS5 GPU maybe a RDNA 1 with less compute units? Its speculation, but Sony silence could be problem or them trying to upgrade the machine?

Time will tell as always, at least I know I don't have a crystal ball, but if anything, I'd first and foremost believe that Sony is simply confident in what they are doing with the PS5 and don't have to prove anything to anyone, and will just reveal the consoles when it fits them.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
Pretty sure I or someone could lay down an authentic spec sheet signed by Cerny himself at 12TF or even 13 ,whatever..equal to Xbox SX and we'd still have people saying "Nah, it's 9".
no. This is all in Sony. All they have to do is do a press release like Phil did yesterday and all of this would stop.

Their secrecy is fucking stupid especially if they aren't 9 tflops.
 

longdi

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Sony is so quiet because they trying to package their low-specs bad news into something more positive.

A lot of clues already.

Mark Sony once said 8tflops was needed for 4K gaming.
Sony execs leaving in droves before seeing PS5 through
Pastebin leaks at 9tflops, a big win over 8tflops already
Sony got great success at $399
Recent nand prices pushes bom to aroud $450
boring ass pictorials reveal so far.
boring talk about spiderman loading.
MS confident as fuck
 

johnjohn

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Oof! You DESTROYED him!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Let’s add Andrew Reiner from Game Inforner who said PS5 is more powerful in the GPU Flops than XSX.

Kleegamefan (Xbox fanboys’ #1 target) said both are double digits and PS5 is a bit more powerful than XSX in GPU Flops before anyone else.

Jason Schreier said both are more powerful than RTX 2080.

😇😇😇😇😇
WTF lmao...
 
Nope, he said double digits before all of them, 12 TFs were known as he said.
There were articles about double digits and tons of people speculating about them before Klee said anything. He said 12 TF AFTER windows central, digital foundry e.t.c had written the number and after Spencer had basically confirmed it. The only thing he said was RDNA which was something that like everybody, but a handful of diehard Sony fans, were saying after the XSX was revealed and Spencer spoke about it.
 
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Smoke6

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This is sad as hell man and like I said before, all this is a strategy and even if Sony comes in lower, they have powerhouse devs who have done amazing things with far fucking less!!!

Sony has slate of first and second party games year after year while MS has what? Power!!!???

this is pointless, can’t wait to see the spins created when all is front and center!
 
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or github is BC regression test with boost mode being 2ghz at 36 cu and disabling rest of CU . so they didnt need to be in the test. so basically ps5 is 9 tf in BC boost mode
This would make sense. Mark Cerny stated that 8tf would be needed for 4k (PS4 graphics complexity) so if PS5 wanted to run PS4 games in back compat mode at 4k then 9tf would be around that figure (also the 36 CUs match the PS4 PRO). Them trying to reach 2Ghz with this setup might be them trying to get close to the 2.1Ghz CPU speed of the PS4 pro for back compat.

Thats's exactly what it is. But let people like drolebert continue to wack themselves over incomplete data.
 

splattered

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Not trying to stir the pot here, obviously there is still console warrior stuff here even though we've been told to knock it off...

I keep seeing people say there is NO way ps5 is 9tf or even 10tf and that it is most likely to to toe with XsX or even stronger.

What would your guys take be if ps5 actually does release as 9tf or 10tf?

9tf upset? Dont care? 10tf close enough?

Just curious on how the narrative would play out if this actually happens.

If ps5 drops a 13tf monster I'll still be happy with both honestly.

I guess at this point personally MS revealing 12tf RDNA2 makes me feel 11tf has become the minimum performance for me to be able to sit back relax and be happy with both machines. That would mean 3rd party games could be bought either place with no worries. 1st party games would rely more on talent than available power. Fair game so to speak.
 

Mr Moose

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No selectiveness, in my original post I never mentioned the type of media as a revolutionary feature, someone else did that so I just replied to him. Oh and yeah Sony is always right, they were right when they cheapened their «4k» console, that did absolutely nothing in 4k, but now of course they are right again because game sizes.
You're aware that there are native 4K games on the PS4 Pro, right?
 
Guys sony releasing a 9tf machine is not bad for their business or image. It's just that Xbox has to release a more powerful machine , take more loss per unit console sold, and drive a different marketing strategy to get back the share of business it has lost.

If PS5 and X sx are both 12tf, microsoft is doomed. PS5 being 9tf is absolutely believable. And MS has done the right type and amount of marketing. They will take a huge loss selling this beast, i hope they do well later on.
 

01011001

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Not trying to stir the pot here, obviously there is still console warrior stuff here even though we've been told to knock it off...

I keep seeing people say there is NO way ps5 is 9tf or even 10tf and that it is most likely to to toe with XsX or even stronger.

What would your guys take be if ps5 actually does release as 9tf or 10tf?

9tf upset? Dont care? 10tf close enough?

Just curious on how the narrative would play out if this actually happens.

If ps5 drops a 13tf monster I'll still be happy with both honestly.

I guess at this point personally MS revealing 12tf RDNA2 makes me feel 11tf has become the minimum performance for me to be able to sit back relax and be happy with both machines. That would mean 3rd party games could be bought either place with no worries. 1st party games would rely more on talent than available power. Fair game so to speak.

I am wondering the same... would it matter for anyone that already plans on getting a PS5 only?
 

Neo Blaster

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No selectiveness, in my original post I never mentioned the type of media as a revolutionary feature, someone else did that so I just replied to him. Oh and yeah Sony is always right, they were right when they cheapened their «4k» console, that did absolutely nothing in 4k, but now of course they are right again because game sizes.
'Did absolutely nothing in 4k'...

I rest my case, useless discussion.
 
no. This is all in Sony. All they have to do is do a press release like Phil did yesterday and all of this would stop.

Their secrecy is fucking stupid especially if they aren't 9 tflops.
well to be fair yesterday info release did not generate much buzz based on the metrics(the social trend metric and like/share numbers ),, but that could be because everyone already assumed its 12 TF so this was a non news to them .
 

LED Guy?

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There were articles about double digits and tons of people speculating about them before Klee said anything. He said 12 TF AFTER windows central, digital foundry e.t.c had written the number and after Spencer had basically confirmed it. The only thing he said was RDNA which was something that like everybody, but a handful of diehard Sony fans, were saying after the XSX was revealed and Spencer spoke about it.
Not one article was there, Klee said that shit since August or July and none believed him, I see you're trying to re-write history here.
 

On Demand

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Guys sony releasing a 9tf machine is not bad for their business or image. It's just that Xbox has to release a more powerful machine , take more loss per unit console sold, and drive a different marketing strategy to get back the share of business it has lost.

If PS5 and X sx are both 12tf, microsoft is doomed. PS5 being 9tf is absolutely believable. And MS has done the right type and amount of marketing. They will take a huge loss selling this beast, i hope they do well later on.

Why must everything work in MS's favor? This isn't a Disney movie.
 

Bo_Hazem

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Probably a super silly question/theory here, but what if Sony went for a totally custom RT route for PS5 thinking MS wouldnt invest in it at all... like Cell Processor kind of custom.

And then what if it complicates game design for multiplatform titles if MS solution and Sony solution dont play nice together? As in screwing with porting games across platform etc.

It should complicate anyway, I doubt Sony is using DX12 anyway, but it's not over-complicating.

I've checked before and they've been following them for a while, including Phil Spencer on Instagram.
 
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SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
well to be fair yesterday info release did not generate much buzz based on the metrics(the social trend metric and like/share numbers ),, but that could be because everyone already assumed its 12 TF so this was a non news to them .
really? That's bizarre. Maybe power doesn't matter to the masses after all. Or Xbox simply isn't as popular a brans as i thought.

Didn't the ps5 logo get like 3 million likes. How many likes did this news get?
 

M-V2

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What's the point of having insiders in this thread if you guys still arguing about which console is more powerful?? I mean the entire world said they're VERY close in power why people still arguing?? 🤷🤦
 
Yup, on Twitter 👀
Is this twitter? Im mature enough mentally to carry myself different in different situations/places,
where your obviously not (per your twitter and accounts getting suspended and all) :messenger_clapping:
And on that topic, I dont hide behind different names at various sites like yourself.
Either way, has no relevance to topic.

You fanboyed out which was ridiculous to begin with, when you should've just stayed quiet
 

splattered

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MS strategy is not about competing with Sony/Nints on hardware sales, that's why they pushing Gamepass. They want to make hardware sales, but not at the expense of a hefty loss on each unit sold. So it'll come with a premium price, like $500, and they'd rather get the mindshare of 'we've got most powerful console' than cutting price just to tread water with the PS5 juggernaut in sales.

So take it to the bank, XSX will not be $400, it will be ~$500.

But by your own logic here people will be paying $500 for the 12tf Xsx while others are paying $400 for the 9tf "juggernaut"

Would you rather pay $400 or $500? You always get what you pay for even when a company is taking a loss because they will only agree to take it in the shorts up to a certain amount.

Let's not go expecting charity miracles here from either corporation.
 

Smoke6

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If Sony is more powerful or even now would be the time to reveal to COMPLETELY take the wind out of this reveal. Then again it won't probably make one bit of sales difference come November
Shit if I were Sony I’d wait til after MS e3 conference and crush their souls with games that were done for the 2019 launch that are pretty much should be well polished by now!

actual first party games that can be played now and not just halo and Gorza!
 

jon3sy9

Neo Member
Xbox Series X will likely be the most powerful machine this generation, but with that power will come great damage to people's bank accounts.

I believe that Sony will deliver a less powerful machine, but one that will cost less and have more unique exclusives.

~11TF
16+4GB RAM
1TB SSD
£449
i bought xbox all access in december £25 a month and i upgrade to series x for free, game pass ultimate is £11 a month or £264 over the 2 years, that leaves £14 a month for the console or £336 over the 2 years....bargain
 
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This is sad as hell man and like I said before, all this is a strategy and even if Sony comes in lower, they have powerhouse devs who have done amazing things with far fucking less!!!

Sony has slate of first and second party games year after year while MS has what? Power!!!???

this is pointless, can’t wait to see the spins created when all is front and center!
MS also has a ton of world class developers and first and second party games year after year. They also have gamepass for people to enjoy tons of games, an amazing BC program that allows you to enjoy games like ninja gaiden 2 the way they were meant to be played e.t.c.
 
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