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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Even if it's true, I doubt he can confirm it for the sake of his job.

As others have said however, it looks like the PS5 landed on 13.2 Teraflops. It would make sense considering the length of the clip and where it was spliced between.

BGs said he’d create an avatar for whoever guessed it correctly. I guess we can deduce from that.

I also like the symbolism that the PS5 is a fucking beast :messenger_grinning_smiling:
 
How far can they realistically stretch the power? 13tf is ridiculous. Where's the compromise going to be in the system? These specs seem ridiculous. You're looking at just the tf comparable to a single GPU over $499. Consoles generally don't draw past 200w correct? I'd have to think a system on 13tf is already pulling at minimum half of 200w. Consoles always sacrifice somewhere. Is the Zen 2 CPU just marketing speak and will end up underwhelming? Man if these things are as juicy as we think nobody should be complaining about the value of a $600 console because you're getting the best price+performance you can buy especially in comparison to a PC.

I'm going to stay on the cautious side. I don't believe these specs, sorry. Doesn't seem realistic. Maybe if we had unlimited die space and resources. If only. Going to wait until both systems fully reveal the brains in every detail.
 
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Bo_Hazem

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Is there a possibility that the number is slightly lower than 12(11.6 like OsirisBlack OsirisBlack said), but for marketing they are going with 12?

That's what King OsirisBlack OsirisBlack said/hinted first after the announcement, not saying they cannot hit it but it seems they didn't yet? I don't want to put words into his mouth but that what I remember of his first post after that.
 

jonnyp

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He/she never said ps5 didn’t have Rdna2. That poster along with me just kept asking for a proper source. That doesn’t mean we don’t believe it’ll have it. I want to believe ps5 has rdna2 but want to hear it from anyone else at this point

Haha 😂 oook. AMD has always said HW RT is part of the RDNA 2 architecture. There is no such thing as HW RT in RDNA 1.0. Cerny confirmed that the PS5 had HW RT. When Series X was confirmed by Spencer to be version 2.0 it doesn't take a genius to conclude PS5 also will be. But when your favourite piece of plastic becomes religion I guess it is hard to acknowledge such things....

First it was "oh but Cerny never said it had HW RT in the first Wired article." Then when he confirned it, people started with this "oh but Sony has never confirmed RDNA 2.0". And we have these github truthers going on constantly now. Wonder what the excuse will be if PS5 is more than 9.2 TF.
 
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Bo_Hazem

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Oh look, a youtuber that thinks they know stuff when they literally just regurgitate the shit they hear on the forums. Get off your high horse, idiots.

They are PC Master Racists who are shitting themselves because of the power of next gen consoles and how cheap they should be and superior to most, if not all, current PC's.

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Bo_Hazem

Banned
Good move by Google to add Shannon Studstill for their new first party studio but at the same time, will Stadia still be alive by the time their game is done?

InXile adding the combat designer from God of War is great for me because I loved the combat in God of War so possibly getting that combat system in InXile's next gen action RPG makes me look even more forward to that game than I already was.

If they continue this faliure I would guess they would go multiplats with that upcoming game.
 
So you’re telling me that since she spoke only about radeon it means its rdna 1. So what about the lead amd product manager when he spoke of both consoles will use radeon, are you telling me now xsx will use rdna 1? Lol.




Yeah like I can hear what he's saying and all and that's all well and good but is there any way I can flex and contort logic and my cognition of reality to somehow come to the conclusion that PS5 is really just a Jaguar and Vega APU that can't do ray-tracing?
 

FeiRR

Banned
I'm confused how a movie studio with a "VR lab" gets a PS5 dev kit in the first place.

Just fuck around with VR and Sony will send you one?

Where do I sign up?
Do you think consoles are used only for games? It's affordable hardware for many other realtime graphics purposes. The problem is they're closed systems but sometimes you can get a deal even if your company doesn't make games. The primary reason for Linux on PS3 was server farms (for the military, IIRC) and when it became obsolete and hackers started poking around, they scrapped it. Why wouldn't they sell more hardware if possible?
Did anyone post this yet?
That's pretty much the moment the foot fully touches the floor and stops moving.
I think this will be a bit earlier, when her toes touch the ground so less flops. Damn, I was thinking about allusions or references instead of downloading a GIF editor and checking the hard data.
Set you expectations low. The Xbox One can't play all Xbox 360 games, and I doubt the PS5 will support all PS4 games. As such, don't sell your Xbone/PS4 expecting all the games you bought to be playable on the PS5. Any and all rumours claiming that the PS5 can play all PS1, 2, and 4 games should be discarded.
360 to X1 was a big architecture change. It's quite amazing actually how well Microsoft managed to emulate one with another. Also PS3 to PS4 was an even bigger architectural change and much more difficult job to emulate SPUs. PS4 to PS5 and X1 to XSX will be much easier. If anything, PS3 emulation is going to be a bitch. Personally, I don't see the appeal and reason to play those low-res, jaggy games from PS3 era again but that's me.
Maybe the CPU as well, but had that advantage with the original PS4 as well. PS4 Pro doesn't have a faster HDD anyway, both are 3Gb/s (Gigabits not Gigabytes) and nearly all of the aftermarket HDD's are 6Gb/s!
Your HDD upgrade was noticeable probably because it's a 7200 RPM drive as compared to 5400 RPM stock drive (they're a bit cheaper so you get that in standard). Those have better seek times (SSD has them much better). The bottleneck of storage in PS4 is SATA2 bus (3 GB/s) so your SATA3 drive can't work faster. Fun fact: external SSD in PS4Pro is a bit faster than when you install it internally. I don't remember the exact reason (must be something with the USB controller) but it's even more convenient to put an external drive next to the console than replace the internal one. Plus you don't have to spend big on 2 TB SSD (still around the price of the console, I guess). I keep the games I play most often on it and move some games there and back or just re-download them. The problem is, it usually me takes longer to install (it's called "copying") the game than to download it. Another problem is that games when patched need double their size of space on the drive so when I'm matching a motherfucker of BFV for example, it's over 200 GB (half of my SSD) I need. PS4 storage hardware and software (file system) is ancient right now and that new tech in PS5 is my biggest expectation, much more important for me than the puberty issue.
They are PC Master Racists who are shitting themselves because of the power of next gen consoles and how cheap they should be and superior to most, if not all, current PC's.
Fanboy idiots are on every platform. They should be wishing 9th gen consoles to be as fast as possible because it will translate into better ports of AAA games for them. For which they'll have to buy hardware worth thousands but nobody said having a long e-penis is cheap (and I was into that mustard race myself years ago, boy, was I stupid).
 

Bo_Hazem

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It doesn't seems so but when you got all the stuff and you come back after a break, you realize how fucking difficult is that game to control, you feel like a giant baby that is learning how to walk. I started NG+ months after the last play, on Hard, and first hours I was a complete noob.

Play it on "Give Me God of War" difficulty and your shit gonna get squeezed hard like spaghetti! The most complete games ever made, Perfect gameplay, graphics, story-telling.

By the way, Marco Polo brought macaroni from my region (Dhofar/Dhulfar) back in 1285 AD. The local dish is known as "Atreyah" but wrote as "Ittriya" in Italian books, and it's a dessert cooked with brown sugar and coconut. We learned the method though from China, indeed. So we share some history together 🤣
 

IkarugaDE

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Did anyone post this yet?

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That's pretty much the moment the foot fully touches the floor and stops moving.

Not bad. But I think there is almost more to it. Why I suspect this:

It is not valid to guess only the number (which can be integer or floating). You must also reason your deduction.

As I understand it, it probably has nothing to do with any obvious things like time stamps. If we are required to justify the solution it will probably be something much more difficult.
 

Bo_Hazem

Banned
Your HDD upgrade was noticeable probably because it's a 7200 RPM drive as compared to 5400 RPM stock drive (they're a bit cheaper so you get that in standard).

Nope, I used 5400rpm 😜 But thanks for the details, you know better.

Fanboy idiots are on every platform. They should be wishing 9th gen consoles to be as fast as possible because it will translate into better ports of AAA games for them. For which they'll have to buy hardware worth thousands but nobo

PC gaming is worst than buying a high-end phone annually. That's why I went to a more wrokload suffecient card (Radeon VII), which is an undervover workstation card, instead of 2080 or even 2080ti. Waiting for Big Navi for future proofing (8K and 4K raw videos editing power). Gaming on it would be a side dish. I would be suffocated if the main purpose of the build is gaming after spending ~$3300 🤣 last year (paid me $4680 back few months later so it's a smart investment so far).

So my advice would be having PC gaming as a "pleasant" side effect of the core purpose of your PC to avoid annual frustrations with new tech and stick to consoles instead.
 

FeiRR

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As I understand it, it probably has nothing to do with any obvious things like time stamps. If we are required to justify the solution it will probably be something much more difficult.
I'd say that the narrative is the reasoning. A developer is struggling with the first devkit (the character in the trailer is doubtful and then is sacrificed) but Mark Cerny (the priest) goes on to summon Lilith in all her grace and we finally get the Beast so even the dying developer is in awe.

I can tell you my tries: Mark of the Beast, which is Revelation 13:15 (or 18) in the Bible and then the date of creation of the Creation of Adam (by Michelangelo) which is referenced in the trailer (touching hands). But both were debunked by BG so no cigar for me. BG wrote that "everything is in there" so vague references are too much. That's why I think the timing is a good shot.
 

wolffy71

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At this point Ps5 might be a totally different machine than it was before MS announced. Maybe Sony has or is reworking the entire thing to be more powerful than Xbox. It would explain the delay in details.
 
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Deleted member 775630

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At this point Ps5 might be a totally different machine than it was before MS announced. Maybe Sony has or is reworking the entire thing to be more powerful than Xbox. It would explain the delay in details.
Not enough time to do that now
 
Haha 😂 oook. AMD has always said HW RT is part of the RDNA 2 architecture. There is no such thing as HW RT in RDNA 1.0. Cerny confirmed that the PS5 had HW RT. When Series X was confirmed by Spencer to be version 2.0 it doesn't take a genius to conclude PS5 also will be. But when your favourite piece of plastic becomes religion I guess it is hard to acknowledge such things....

First it was "oh but Cerny never said it had HW RT in the first Wired article." Then when he confirned it, people started with this "oh but Sony has never confirmed RDNA 2.0". And we have these github truthers going on constantly now. Wonder what the excuse will be if PS5 is more than 9.2 TF.
I like this post. It's factual.
They will keep arguing in circles it appears.
 
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Deleted member 775630

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This is so wrong, there were plenty of time considering they scrapped 2019 since beginning of 2018 perhaps sometime in 2017.
He said "after Microsoft revealed 12TF". You are not able to still create a new chip, test it properly and get it out in time.
 
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IkarugaDE

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I'd say that the narrative is the reasoning. A developer is struggling with the first devkit (the character in the trailer is doubtful and then is sacrificed) but Mark Cerny (the priest) goes on to summon Lilith in all her grace and we finally get the Beast so even the dying developer is in awe.

I can tell you my tries: Mark of the Beast, which is Revelation 13:15 (or 18) in the Bible and then the date of creation of the Creation of Adam (by Michelangelo) which is referenced in the trailer (touching hands). But both were debunked by BG so no cigar for me. BG wrote that "everything is in there" so vague references are too much. That's why I think the timing is a good shot.
Well ... :pie_thinking: IMO either there is not only one solution, but there are several partial solutions that have to be combined to form a total solution, or it is really so extremely hidden that the path to the solution is long and complicated. Both would go with "You must also reason your deduction".

BGs BGs : Since you want to give a tip today. Perhaps it would be interesting to find out whether the solution can only be found "in" the GIF or whether the GIF is just a hint to find the solution elsewhere.

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"BG wrote that "everything is in there" ". Ah. So he just hints the solution is definitely and only in the gif?
 
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Bo_Hazem

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I know is not this number but still funny (13.9 of likes in the video of blizzard ) :

He's mentioned 13.8TF several times already, probably that what put his job in danger. I hope he stops hinting TF power to avoid endangering himself and probably stick to giving some glimpses of next gen VR games and what to expect, although he tried to dial it back with GCN vs RDNA which is just miss-directing. I won't really like the idea of putting such a nice person in a bad situation.
 

demigod

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He said after Microsoft revealed 12TF. You are not able to still create a new chip, test it properly and get it out in time.

He said announced and the first time they announced scarlett was e3 2018. If he meant 12TF announcement there is still time for Sony(2019 was scrapped already) to fiddle clocks just like there is still time for MS to fiddle with clocks(no idea when the cutoff for upclocks are).
 

FeiRR

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Nope, I used 5400rpm 😜 But thanks for the details, you know better.
It was probably still better than the cheap drive you get in stock.

PC gaming is worst than buying a high-end phone annually. That's why I went to a more wrokload suffecient card (Radeon VII), which is an undervover workstation card, instead of 2080 or even 2080ti. Waiting for Big Navi for future proofing (8K and 4K raw videos editing power). Gaming on it would be a side dish. I would be suffocated if the main purpose of the build is gaming after spending ~$3300 🤣 last year (paid me $4680 back few months later so it's a smart investment so far).

So my advice would be having PC gaming as a "pleasant" side effect of the core purpose of your PC to avoid annual frustrations with new tech and stick to consoles instead.
For me a phone is very important. I spend most of the day using it, also at work, so it has to be efficient. But this time around I got a Chinese one and it was a good choice: half the price, top hardware, robust software. Simply the best phone I've had in a long time. It'll be soon one year and I'm not planning to change it unless the battery craps out (I charge it a lot so it's possible, that's why I had to replace two previous phones).

I used to need a powerful PC for my other hobby. Once I built one for the worth of a small car and after two years the GPU needed a change (but hey, you could heat a room with Radeon cards back then!) Then I said "stop" and it was about the time that my friend lent my a PS3. Of course "shooters with joypad, lol" and all that but I learned. If you're rich and bored, well, up to you. If you have 2-3 hours a day tops to play games, spending a grand on hardware is out of the question for me.
 
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Deleted member 775630

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He said announced and the first time they announced scarlett was e3 2018. If he meant 12TF announcement there is still time for Sony(2019 was scrapped already) to fiddle clocks just like there is still time for MS to fiddle with clocks(no idea when the cutoff for upclocks are).
I think he meant after 12TF reveal because you need to know the power to be more powerful.

Fiddling with clocks doesn't help if you are too much behind.
 

Bo_Hazem

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It was probably still better than the cheap drive you get in stock.


For me a phone is very important. I spend most of the day using it, also at work, so it has to be efficient. But this time around I got a Chinese one and it was a good choice: half the price, top hardware, robust software. Simply the best phone I've had in a long time. It'll be soon one year and I'm not planning to change it unless the battery craps out (I charge it a lot so it's possible, that's why I had to replace two previous phones).

I used to need a powerful PC for my other hobby. Once I built one for the worth of a small car and after two years the GPU needed a change (but hey, you could heat a room with Radeon cards back then!) Then I said "stop" and it was about the time that my friend lent my a PS3. Of course "shooters with joypad, lol" and all that but I learned. If you're rich and bored, well, up to you. If you have 2-3 hours a day tops to play games, spending a grand on hardware is out of the question for me.

Not acting like a smart investor though, I once spent more than $60K modding 4x4 cars and swapping engines within 6 years, then went to purpose-only before I got married. You can't have those crazy sprees anyway even if you wanted to for most middle-class. For the high class, one Chinese guy has spent around $4 million USD on a character in a mobile game! Insanity has no limits.

Just be sure you don't regret, but learn from your foolishness/immaturity 😁
 

BGs

Industry Professional
The firm you work for is known and if you all actually have PS5 dev kits and PSVR2 dev kits any information whether direct or a hint is easily traceable by Sony. You all aren’t large enough to have the person hide like you may see at Ubi.

They would just kill off full access to your company because they have the right to do so. I would also be very surprised to hear about someone being “warned”. Typically, you will just get terminated. Even people who’s kids take photos of stuff without their knowledge are punished

The fact that you continue to post here with first hand information in a thread that is obviously monitored by Sony’s and MS ninjas is incredibly suspect. There is a reason that first hand leaks are incredibly rare and even more so from someone who has publicly stated where they work.

I don’t doubt that you work there but I have a very sneaking suspicion that while you are verified as to what you do that you do not actually have access to what you claim to.
Written from the phone in the subway.

I will use this message to respond in general to almost everyone .

In reference to your message I do not know if I have understood your concerns well, but if I keep posting here it is because I own my life and follow the rules.

I have not republished anything that I could not from that slip in which I was warned of the consequences that could have if this continued along that path. And not by publishing it here, but because it became news.

There were no consequences because what I said was something that was already known (I will not give details).

Then what you want to believe or not is your business and I respect it. I sleep very quiet.

In the same way, do you really think that in the Gif I have put some data that I cannot say? We are always with the same problem, each one interprets what they want to read.

I said "do you want to play a game? There is a hidden number, the one who guesses right will have a prize."

And the number is 13.8, the same as I always say.

And for those who are interested, it was obtained like this ... I am European, therefore I am used to the PAL system. The GIF is at 25fps. If you import it in Premiere (for example) in a sequence of 25fps but interpret the GIF as 50 (pal) the result is approximately 11:05 (if I remember correctly). If you multiply it by 1.25x (amd) you get 13.8 (same number I always joke with).

End of the game.

I will not be able to respond to everyone, but let it not be said that I have not responded to you.

For others, I have not been able to look at all the pages and I don't know what has happened in the last hours. I'll look at it little by little. When I can I answer you here or by PM.

Cheers.
 
Written from the phone in the subway.

I will use this message to respond in general to almost everyone .

In reference to your message I do not know if I have understood your concerns well, but if I keep posting here it is because I own my life and follow the rules.

I have not republished anything that I could not from that slip in which I was warned of the consequences that could have if this continued along that path. And not by publishing it here, but because it became news.

There were no consequences because what I said was something that was already known (I will not give details).

Then what you want to believe or not is your business and I respect it. I sleep very quiet.

In the same way, do you really think that in the Gif I have put some data that I cannot say? We are always with the same problem, each one interprets what they want to read.

I said "do you want to play a game? There is a hidden number, the one who guesses right will have a prize."

And the number is 13.8, the same as I always say.

And for those who are interested, it was obtained like this ... I am European, therefore I am used to the PAL system. The GIF is at 25fps. If you import it in Premiere (for example) in a sequence of 25fps but interpret the GIF as 50 (pal) the result is approximately 11:05 (if I remember correctly). If you multiply it by 1.25x (amd) you get 13.8 (same number I always joke with).

End of the game.

I will not be able to respond to everyone, but let it not be said that I have not responded to you.

For others, I have not been able to look at all the pages and I don't know what has happened in the last hours. I'll look at it little by little. When I can I answer you here or by PM.


Cheers.

Thank you BGs BGs for being a cool guy and letting us have some fun with your little game as well.
 

rntongo

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Is there a possibility that the number is slightly lower than 12(11.6 like OsirisBlack OsirisBlack said), but for marketing they are going with 12?
It’s going to be slightly higher not lower. So expect 12.185 tflops with 56 CUs at 1.7 GHz GPU clockspeed. If it had been under 12 they would have reported an exact figure below 12. The PS5 will also do something similar. If they have 11.1 or 12.1 it will be 11 or 12. Otherwise they’ll give exact figures i.e 11.6 or 12.6
 

demigod

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Written from the phone in the subway.

I will use this message to respond in general to almost everyone .

In reference to your message I do not know if I have understood your concerns well, but if I keep posting here it is because I own my life and follow the rules.

I have not republished anything that I could not from that slip in which I was warned of the consequences that could have if this continued along that path. And not by publishing it here, but because it became news.

There were no consequences because what I said was something that was already known (I will not give details).

Then what you want to believe or not is your business and I respect it. I sleep very quiet.

In the same way, do you really think that in the Gif I have put some data that I cannot say? We are always with the same problem, each one interprets what they want to read.

I said "do you want to play a game? There is a hidden number, the one who guesses right will have a prize."

And the number is 13.8, the same as I always say.

And for those who are interested, it was obtained like this ... I am European, therefore I am used to the PAL system. The GIF is at 25fps. If you import it in Premiere (for example) in a sequence of 25fps but interpret the GIF as 50 (pal) the result is approximately 11:05 (if I remember correctly). If you multiply it by 1.25x (amd) you get 13.8 (same number I always joke with).

End of the game.

I will not be able to respond to everyone, but let it not be said that I have not responded to you.

For others, I have not been able to look at all the pages and I don't know what has happened in the last hours. I'll look at it little by little. When I can I answer you here or by PM.

Cheers.

BGs we appreciate your infos. It’s best if you just click ignore on the folks that are trying to vilify you.
 

LED Guy?

Banned
Written from the phone in the subway.

I will use this message to respond in general to almost everyone .

In reference to your message I do not know if I have understood your concerns well, but if I keep posting here it is because I own my life and follow the rules.

I have not republished anything that I could not from that slip in which I was warned of the consequences that could have if this continued along that path. And not by publishing it here, but because it became news.

There were no consequences because what I said was something that was already known (I will not give details).

Then what you want to believe or not is your business and I respect it. I sleep very quiet.

In the same way, do you really think that in the Gif I have put some data that I cannot say? We are always with the same problem, each one interprets what they want to read.

I said "do you want to play a game? There is a hidden number, the one who guesses right will have a prize."

And the number is 13.8, the same as I always say.

And for those who are interested, it was obtained like this ... I am European, therefore I am used to the PAL system. The GIF is at 25fps. If you import it in Premiere (for example) in a sequence of 25fps but interpret the GIF as 50 (pal) the result is approximately 11:05 (if I remember correctly). If you multiply it by 1.25x (amd) you get 13.8 (same number I always joke with).

End of the game.

I will not be able to respond to everyone, but let it not be said that I have not responded to you.

For others, I have not been able to look at all the pages and I don't know what has happened in the last hours. I'll look at it little by little. When I can I answer you here or by PM.

Cheers.
Oh how I have been violated 🤣🤣🤣

My brain was seeing things that it should not be seeing, it’s all because of that stupid TFLOPS number 😂😂😂

Thank you for the game, BGs.
 
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