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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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pasterpl

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BlackBuzzard said:
Here is what Microsoft insider Paul Thurrot said about Xbox and Mixer.

https://www.petri.com/paul-thurrotts-short-takes-microsoft-earnings-special-edition-12
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www.geekwire.com

How Microsoft’s record-setting $10B gaming year compares to rivals Sony and Nintendo

In a fiscal year littered with firsts, Microsoft's gaming division hit a new high water mark.
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“In gaming, we are pursuing our expansive opportunity — from the way games are created and distributed to how they are played and viewed, surpassing $10 billion in revenue this year for the first time,” Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella said on a call with investors...
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directly from MS CEO for the Investor....but what do i know ;)
 
kensama

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Zero707 said:
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They did but not clearly apparently
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Null_Key said:
I would ask the question are your incredibly high or incredibly stupid, but I already know my answer, you don't get high do you? I mean AMD just confirmed one part of the information, but that can't possibly be true , right? I suppose you are the type to believe if Phil Spencer popped out, pulled his pants and pointed his junk saying 12 TF, then you would believe it, right?
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Show me and everyone else then when AMD confirmed the Ps5 is 100% RDNA 2 they haven't neither have sony .And no i'm not a microsoft fanboy i'd love the ps5 to be RDNA 2 and 13tf + . Lets be honest xbox fanboy's want the PS5 at 9.2tf, Sony fanboy's want 13tf . If xbox fanboy's get what they want XSX has the most powerful console but the price,lack of games,lockhart,will hold it back and i don't think many developers will use the extra power. PS5 has the games will sell more but the lack of power will hold back true next gen experiences. Best outcome is PS5 and XSX are similar in power and price everyone wins great first party games on both and no compromise multi plats on both.
 
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SleepDoctor

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o'dium said:
Listen up, today is my birthday (for real) and I have a lot of family around, presents and a meal... so I’ll be here more than usual 🤣

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As a birthday treat can you guys just start being a bit more nice to each other? Cheer up a a bit, eh? This should be a fun thread about technical chat and stuff, a few wish lists and whatever. Instead it’s full of idiots moaning about 9 floppy gits hubs beating off 14 floppy idiots. Just...

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Happy birthday
 
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As far as complete BC on PS5, that would be an incredible bomb for Sony to drop at their reveal.

The power level of these CPUs and GPUs tell me it is more than capable of handling it, but we have inside folks saying that they haven't heard about that, save for a scant couple.

That doesn't neccesarily mean it is untrue, because that could be something Sony *seriously* doesn't want to spoil ahead of time.

I think it'll be more along the lines of utilizing their mutual agreement with Microsoft from last year with their cloud technology and going for a complete revamp of PS Now with a massive library available.
 
SleepDoctor

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Disco_ said:
The only BC that matters for a considerable amount of consumers is ps4 BC. How would they make money off ps1-3 BC?
I'd be pretty miffed if sony wasted resources on ps1-3 BC just to appease a few thousand people.
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I've said it multiple times and I'll say it again. BC is overrated. Its a nice option but it won't sway new customers anyway seeing as their going to stay in the ecosystem they're invested in.

I barely used BC on my xbox. It'll be nice for launch for those who want to trade in their xbox one or ps4 so they can keep playing their games but after that it becomes an afterthought imo.
 
ruvikx

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Disco_ said:
The only BC that matters for a considerable amount of consumers is ps4 BC. How would they make money off ps1-3 BC?
I'd be pretty miffed if sony wasted resources on ps1-3 BC just to appease a few thousand people.
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Backwards compatibility should preferably target both the ps4 & ps3 because that's when digital purchases became a real fact of life for gamers. I have a considerable number of digitally owned ps3 titles which I can no longer play because my ps3 after 10 years developed a beeping red light on death when I attempt to play a game (i.e. it auto switches off & won't read physical disks either). So a ps5 with backwards compatibility (& framerate improvements/resolution improvements in certain cases) would be very welcome. I also fully expect ps4 backwards compatibility to feature the ps4 pro patches (i.e. playing Assassin's Creed Odyssey for example on the ps5 should be the ps4 pro version).
 
DeepEnigma

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SleepDoctor said:
I've said it multiple times and I'll say it again. BC is overrated. Its a nice option but it won't sway new customers anyway seeing as their going to stay in the ecosystem they're invested in.

I barely used BC on my xbox. It'll be nice for launch for those who want to trade in their xbox one or ps4 so they can keep playing their games but after that it becomes an afterthought imo.
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I’ve always felt the same way. Even going back to the PS2/PS360 I barely ever touched it.

It’s going to be nice to have due to the PC/Mobile like ecosystem that both companies are adopting, but it’s not a deal breaker for me if not.
 
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SleepDoctor

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DeepEnigma said:
I’ve always felt the same way. Even going back to the PS2/PS360 I barely even touched it.
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People love touting it like its some groundbreaking feature but lets be honest..... nobody really gives that much of a fuck about it lol.

This gen xbox fanboys have loved flaunting it but lets be honest, they barely use it. Maybe a little more than normal tho since ms first party lineup has been weak this gen.
 
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best

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Razzy- said:
As for github, it might be accurate at a certain point of time (possibly PS5 2019/Early dev kits) but with AMD saying that both consoles are RDNA2 as per their slides, it is therefore questionable right now.
If rogamer was correct with his tweet which includes details of Ariel and Oberon, then its almost in the bin as that data for the chips are based on RDNA 1 / Navi10 lite. That is also included in the github leak as well.
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There's another explanation for this, actually (same as why first Oberon revision said "full chip"): Oberon's testlists are actually Ariel's testlists, and the regression testing was done using an Ariel iGPU profile.

Since Ariel is an RDNA1-based chip, it lacked hardware RT, VRS and other RDNA2 features, and the "full chip" listing in the initial Oberon data referenced the Ariel chip in its iGPU profile for regression testing. Also for purposes of regression testing for PS4/PS4 Pro compatibility, RDNA2 features such as RT and VRS would not need to be enabled in the tests (nor could they if such was done on the Ariel iGPU profile, since Ariel isn't an RDNA2 chip).

I still think Oberon is the PS5 chip, and it's an RDNA2 chip at that; there's no reason to test it with a fourth revision (E0) as late as December of last year if it is in fact not a PS5 chip. The question is when can we get testing data actually testing Oberon instead of the Ariel iGPU profile? My hope would say soon, at that point we can see what Oberon actually entails outside of the Ariel iGPU profile testlists.

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Oh and happy birthday Gavin Stevens Gavin Stevens . Escape the insanity of this thread even if just for a day!
 
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Neo Blaster

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thismeinteil said:
Maybe the HW portion of it, but I think they would still make games. Maybe go 3rd party and put GamePass and xCloud on the other systems.
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That's what baffles me in MS strategy, they seem to pursue platform agnostic services but at the same time spend some serious cash on R&D for XSX. They care about hardware, and don't at the same time.
 
thicc_girls_are_teh_best

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Neo Blaster said:
I agree with Gavin Stevens Gavin Stevens Lockart wouldn't hold back XSX as long as it has same CPU, SSD, memory type and a GPU with less CUs, but how can MS keep the price low in that way? I don't think they can reach 299.
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Same type of SSD, not necessarily same capacity. Memory type would stay the same but price kept relatively low thanks to bulk discount contracts, same as Sony. Smaller GPU means smaller wafer footprint means cheaper production costs.

We also don't know what the form factor for Series S will be. The latest APU leak tied to a MS console product suggests it could be a portable-like device since TDP-down is explicitly mentioned. Odd thing to mention for a traditional console-like design.

Personally I think Series S is probably some portable-like device being aimed at markets where consoles aren't a big deal, such as some Asian territories, and might be reflective of the recently announced Samsung partnership. That would be the smartest choice IMHO, but we have to wait a little more to find out.
 
DeepEnigma

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Neo Blaster said:
I agree with Gavin Stevens Gavin Stevens Lockart wouldn't hold back XSX as long as it has same CPU, SSD, memory type and a GPU with less CUs, but how can MS keep the price low in that way? I don't think they can reach 299.
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We’ll see.

I’m more concerned about the 1S/1X with Microsoft’s first party mandate for the games to work on them, than I am with Lockhart overall.
 
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Rusco Da Vino

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oxman2k said:
Show me and everyone else then when AMD confirmed the Ps5 is 100% RDNA 2 they haven't neither have sony .And no i'm not a microsoft fanboy i'd love the ps5 to be RDNA 2 and 13tf + . Lets be honest xbox fanboy's want the PS5 at 9.2tf, Sony fanboy's want 13tf . If xbox fanboy's get what they want XSX has the most powerful console but the price,lack of games,lockhart,will hold it back and i don't think many developers will use the extra power. PS5 has the games will sell more but the lack of power will hold back true next gen experiences. Best outcome is PS5 and XSX are similar in power and price everyone wins great first party games on both and no compromise multi plats on both.
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Here is all the evidence you are looking for:

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As I know that you are just trolling in the thread, I am aware that you are going to tell me that the above official AMD slider proves shit because it does not state, explicitly, "PS5" but just "consoles". In the same stupid way I could also tell you that AMD did not confirm RDNA2 on Xbox Series X neither.

But I am going to do something even better; I am going to provide you with a link where this matter is being analyzed properly:

www.neogaf.com

AMD: Both XSX and PS5 RDNA2 based and have Hardware RT

there is overwhelming evidence that points to PS5 being RDNA 2 if you care to look in the right places. First up is this slide from AMD, pay attention to the "SHADER" and "HARDWARE" points, as there's going to be some explanations below: They mention that their current way of handling ray...
www.neogaf.com www.neogaf.com

Now, you can keep trolling here as long as a mod check your posts and gets the conclusion that the only thing you are doing here is messing around ;)

oxman2k said:
To many people think PS5 is RDNA 2 and 12-13tf on the words of so called insiders who are more than likely full of BS. People should expect the worst 9.2tf no RDNA 2 and a possible delay till 2021. Until Sony say different no one on neo gaf knows what's really going on with the PS5..
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Bo_Hazem

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o'dium said:
Listen up, today is my birthday (for real) and I have a lot of family around, presents and a meal... so I’ll be here more than usual 🤣

pqcb9uW.jpg


As a birthday treat can you guys just start being a bit more nice to each other? Cheer up a a bit, eh? This should be a fun thread about technical chat and stuff, a few wish lists and whatever. Instead it’s full of idiots moaning about 9 floppy gits hubs beating off 14 floppy idiots. Just...

XLiXWWV.jpg
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Come to think about it, my wife saw the meme and said that I was kinda mean:messenger_anxious: So I thought I should give you a proper gift from a Sony Pony to an Xbot to start this "nice" thing you were talking about.:messenger_winking_tongue:(y)
 
Razzy-

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thicc_girls_are_teh_best said:
There's another explanation for this, actually (same as why first Oberon revision said "full chip"): Oberon's testlists are actually Ariel's testlists, and the regression testing was done using an Ariel iGPU profile.

Since Ariel is an RDNA1-based chip, it lacked hardware RT, VRS and other RDNA2 features, and the "full chip" listing in the initial Oberon data referenced the Ariel chip in its iGPU profile for regression testing. Also for purposes of regression testing for PS4/PS4 Pro compatibility, RDNA2 features such as RT and VRS would not need to be enabled in the tests (nor could they if such was done on the Ariel iGPU profile, since Ariel isn't an RDNA2 chip).

I still think Oberon is the PS5 chip, and it's an RDNA2 chip at that; there's no reason to test it with a fourth revision (E0) as late as December of last year if it is in fact not a PS5 chip. The question is when can we get testing data actually testing Oberon instead of the Ariel iGPU profile? My hope would say soon, at that point we can see what Oberon actually entails outside of the Ariel iGPU profile testlists.
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Correct me if I am wrong, you are suggesting that Oberon is RDNA2 from day 1?

I can't get around the fact that if it's running on Ariel iGpu profile, shouldn't the chipset's native info show that it's an RDNA2 chip?

Current data that we have is pointing to it being navi10/RDNA.

Basing it purely on the tweet by rogame
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In any case, I seem to recall there was a patent on BC by Cerny. Possible link to these regression tests, I might have to read up on it.
 
Neo Blaster

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Disco_ said:
The only BC that matters for a considerable amount of consumers is ps4 BC. How would they make money off ps1-3 BC?
I'd be pretty miffed if sony wasted resources on ps1-3 BC just to appease a few thousand people.
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I'd like PS3 BC, have some backlog there that I cannot play because my console bit the dust and I don't want to buy another.
 
DeepEnigma

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Neo Blaster said:
That's what baffles me in MS strategy, they seem to pursue platform agnostic services but at the same time spend some serious cash on R&D for XSX. They care about hardware, and don't at the same time.
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Need a box for those Live subscriptions. A ton of revenue they’re not willing to give up yet. I don’t blame them.
 
Bogroll

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alex_m said:
About PS5:

People are stating there's going to be a 9.2 TF model without ray tracing and a higher tier model with ray tracing. You can't have ray traced lighting effects and reflections on the model that does not support ray tracing except you do it in software which will result in a huge performance hit.

About PS4:

A PS4 Pro is just a beefed up version of the PS4 base model. Microsoft might not care about exclusive titles, but Sony does. That's why e.g. Uncharted 4 and God Of War look so much better on the Pro model. It's not just an upscaled version like on XBox.
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I'm confused. Uncharted 4 just runs at a higher resolution as far as I remember. Nothing else
 
Mendou

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Bogroll said:
I'm confused. Uncharted 4 just runs at a higher resolution as far as I remember. Nothing else
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That's why the CPU wasn't improved for the mid-gen refreshes. Cerny and Phil knew that devs would be lazy and simply program for the lowest common denominator only to then upscale the resolution of their games for the 'pro' consoles. That's why people are worried that Microsoft's 'Lockhart' console will hold back their exclusives and possibly even third-party games if it's implemented poorly.

If Halo Infinite for example was a Series X exclusive, you could've possibly seen entire levels designed around ray-tracing for maximum 'wow' factor. Some vehicles may have had incredible speeds to fully utilise the SSD. But that's not going to be possible if you're going to share the multiplayer servers with users still using slow hard drives.

I hope Sony delivers one strong console on release day as their baseline for next-gen games. Devs would then take more effort so as to not simply upscale their games.
 
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Rusco Da Vino said:
Here is all the evidence you are looking for:

uIBZvpF.jpg


As I know that you are just trolling in the thread, I am aware that you are going to tell me that the above official AMD slider proves shit because it does not state, explicitly, "PS5" but just "consoles". In the same stupid way I could also tell you that AMD did not confirm RDNA2 on Xbox Series X neither.

But I am going to do something even better; I am going to provide you with a link where this matter is being analyzed properly:

www.neogaf.com

AMD: Both XSX and PS5 RDNA2 based and have Hardware RT

there is overwhelming evidence that points to PS5 being RDNA 2 if you care to look in the right places. First up is this slide from AMD, pay attention to the "SHADER" and "HARDWARE" points, as there's going to be some explanations below: They mention that their current way of handling ray...
www.neogaf.com www.neogaf.com

Now, you can keep trolling here as long as a mod check your posts and gets the conclusion that the only thing you are doing here is messing around ;)
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I haven't said the PS5 is RDNA or RDNA 2 I can see what it says above but microsoft have said the XSX is RDNA2 Sony haven't. If Sony have a 13tf RDNA 2 faster SSD better Ray tracing console that out performs the XSX why aren't they saying so. And i don't believe this they don't want to affect PS4 sales and games like last of us 2, Ghost of Tsushima which will play on PS5 anyway.Either the PS5 is much weaker than the XSX or they do have a stronger console but it could be delayed.
 
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