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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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ethomaz

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Neo Blaster said:
Yep, just imagine Sony surprising everyone with a HZD 2 announcement, right after PC gamers start playing HZD?
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I already faced that situation with some games...
I bought in flash sales or get from PS+ a game that I loved and when I go search I find out the sequel being announced.
Mothafuckers make me pay full price in the sequel lol

Of course it is a bit more complex when you need to buy a new hardware for the sequel.
But it is a marketing action that can works to increase the PS5 userbase.

People says I can wait until 3 years late but when you like a game and know it exists you end buying it no matter what even if that includes a near term plan to adquire a new console.

So the market won't work for some but will work for others... in any case is a win-win for Sony (sold more HZD for PC gamers and migrate some PC gamers to PS5).
 
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Dabaus

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joshcrispy said:
This guy is so annoying, he's constantly wrong, and then tries to twist the actual proof. i actually called him out on his lies and the guy sent his fans on me lol
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The more clowns like him double down on RDNA 1 and github the more convinced i am the PS5 is actually within range or a little more powerful than the new Xbox. If/when PS5 is around the same power as xbox series X dudes like him will probably call for violence. Xbox fanboys have made this arbitrary "whose more powerful" meme so apart of their identity that i think if PS5 were to be more powerful it would send some of them over the edge. I would think things like quality exclusives, competitive price, good marketing deals, would be things to hype but no.
 
Bo_Hazem

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M-V2 said:
Nothing against games going to PC, but "Only on PlayStation" is false advertising, Sony should be clear about their strategy, if their 1st party games going to PC day & date or 1 year later then I would stick to my PC instead of spending $500 or so on a new console. I'm that person who can wait a year, so it would be nice if they clear this out.
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I nearly bought the blasphemous Xbox One just to play that Tomb Raider game that been 1 year exclusive. I'm not that person :)
 
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Kratos90

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ethomaz said:
I can be wrong but I think their ideia is to make these that played HZD on PC become a PlayStation gamer buying PlayStation consoles.

If Sony announces HZD2 for PS5 soon then I will be more convinced of my thinking.
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do you really think pc only gamers gonna buy ps5 just for one game?

they'll just wait for hzd2 to come to pc for another 3-4 yesrs
 
thebigmanjosh

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o'dium said:
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Specs aside, I haven’t seen anyone comment on this piece of the post. I take this to mean they’re basically going to be identical in performance at the end of the day.

BGs BGs also made a comment a while ago about how one might be higher spec, but isn’t as fast in real world performance

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First, what TF? The TF of Marketing? Or the effective TF? I understand that people need to know (and I need to explain, but I have to bite my nails) but what you really should care to know is that, in practice, one could have more TF than the other and give less performance. You should think less about TF and think more about machine balance.

This generation will NOT be the generation of the visual difference that makes you decide what to buy. It will be the generation of the games. Yes, one will be faster than another (but you will not notice it in practice). One will load the screen in 10 seconds and the other in 7 seconds. One will have a better sound than the other. One will run the game at 60fps and the other ... too. What will really matter will be the quality that development studies can achieve with their time and budget.
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Could be that XSX is 12 but performs like 10.5, and PS5 is 11-11.6 and performs like 10-11. Either way it sounds like at the end of the day it’s going to be a pissing match that means fuck-all, which has been repeated by numerous insiders and journalists.

Show me some trailers so we can move past this BS.
 
MarkMe2525

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Hawking Radiation said:
Lol ?
1) I hate that people get to you soo easily. There are shitty people everywhere. People who's sole aim in life is to be a walking penis to piss all over everything.
2) You leaving because of said walking penises is playing right into their hands.

Just report the fuckers to the mods and quite being a little bitch. I say this with the utmost respect. The world is full of shitty people. You can't let their shittyness put you off. Be the better person and tell them to get fucked and report them.

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Just to add. I've always been a huge fan of your work and Digital Foundry. I'm especially happy to see you on these forums. Please reconsider your stance on leaving. There are people here who appreciate your views and you're most welcome here to contribute to this hobby we love.
Don't take offence to my post. It's not intended to come across as that. I'm merely frustrated that good people just give in to bully's and online trolls so easily. It happens far too often and good people are pushed away and i'd hate for this to happen to you.
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Not cool man. Not cool at all. To suggest that people that are being harassed, whether online or in person, are "bitches" shows how little you know. Have some God damn empathy
 
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gundamkyoukai

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M-V2 said:
Nope "only on playstation" means only on playstation, but my point is that it would be nice if they be clear about strategy, no more no less. I'm not against anything
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Truth is only on Playstation mean more than hardware in this day and age .
You could play HZD on PSNOW which on PC .
I know you not talking about streaming but the lines going to get more and more blur as time goes on .
 
Bo_Hazem

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M-V2 said:
Yeah mate I understand, people aren't the same, just wanted Sony to be clear about their strategy so I can make my decision
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I think they're testing, if it means more money for them to make greater games, then I'm all for it. But 3 years cycle is safe play. I would rather like them 100% exclusive because I don't want them to be touched by filthy hands:messenger_winking_tongue:
 
M-V2

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gundamkyoukai said:
Truth is only on Playstation mean more than hardware in this day and age .
You could play HZD on PSNOW which on PC .
I know you not talking about streaming but the lines going to get more and more blur as time goes on .
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Yeah I understand what you saying mate, just want them to clear things up
 
Mr. PlayStation

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thebigmanjosh said:
Specs aside, I haven’t seen anyone comment on this piece of the post. I take this to mean they’re basically going to be identical in performance at the end of the day.

BGs BGs also made a comment a while ago about how one might be higher spec, but isn’t as fast in real world performance



Could be that XSX is 12 but performs like 10.5, and PS5 is 11-11.6 and performs like 10-11. Either way it sounds like at the end of the day it’s going to be a pissing match that means fuck-all, which has been repeated by numerous insiders and journalists.

Show me some trailers so we can move past this BS.
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I don't see either console being very powerful over another. It just doesn't add up. Honestly think the performance gap would be absent between them and the only real differentiating factor would it's form factor, quality of exclusives and price.
 
M-V2

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Bo_Hazem said:
I think they're testing, if it means more money for them to make greater games, then I'm all for it. But 3 years cycle is safe play. I would rather like them 100% exclusive because I don't want them to be touched by filthy hands:messenger_winking_tongue:
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I think that would be the case, let's wait & see. I already pre ordered Tlou part ll & ghost of tsushima, it's gonna be a hell out of a year 😌
 
Metroiddarks

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zubairali2 said:
horizon zero dawn on PC is a big win. how can that be a bad thing?
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Is not exactly a bad thing but if Play follows Microsoft to the same path of release all its titiles in PC and PS5 in the same time, for people like me is a deal breaker (regarding to buy a PS5)
basically because I will able to build a pc much more powerfull than the PS5, I don't buy PS plus and even the title will be cheaper in PC.

I know the say this is not the rule for all the titles but many people in my situation or those only PC master gaming race (whatever they call themself) will not buy a title in the launch window just
because they are expecting the same in PC.

I don't know if Sony think is a good option to loose all the market for Play services or In game sales in its plataform in order to get more sales of games or maybe the hard PC gaming market never
will move to Play plataform but is big enough to loose the money in other parts.
 
DeepEnigma

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thebigmanjosh said:
Specs aside, I haven’t seen anyone comment on this piece of the post. I take this to mean they’re basically going to be identical in performance at the end of the day.

BGs BGs also made a comment a while ago about how one might be higher spec, but isn’t as fast in real world performance



Could be that XSX is 12 but performs like 10.5, and PS5 is 11-11.6 and performs like 10-11. Either way it sounds like at the end of the day it’s going to be a pissing match that means fuck-all, which has been repeated by numerous insiders and journalists.

Show me some trailers so we can move past this BS.
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Wide and slower but higher TF will tap into the TF "slower" than narrow and faster with a hair less TF.

So if one has a higher clock but less CUs, it will make up for the "numbers on paper" in performance than more CUs but slower clock if they are that close. It will be a toss up at that point.
 
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Bo_Hazem

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devilNprada said:
Good call, I got this years 900 version and IMO looks every bit as good as my OLED A8..
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Already have 2 4K/HDR TV's, will give them to my brother and sisters or friends if I continue this trend :messenger_tears_of_joy: I'm still thinking 4K is not leap for me as been using it since 2015, would wan't to jump to 8K but that should be microLED for perfect timing. At that time I might be starting to make videos in 8K with big navi handling it like a boss.:messenger_face_screaming::lollipop_fire:
 
Hawking Radiation

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Prash said:
I don't see either console being very powerful over another. It just doesn't add up. Honestly think the performance gap would be absent between them and the only real differentiating factor would it's form factor, quality of exclusives and price.
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But this is what literally everyone in the know has been saying for months.
Yet you still have people in forums claiming SeX sitting at 12TF and PS5 at 9TF.
 
Bo_Hazem

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splattered said:
He has to be defensive about it because of the initial possible backlash from Sony fans... once they make a butt load of money off a couple titles they will start putting more and more on PC and that includes day and date stuff. You would have to be in complete denial to think otherwise.

People have been poking fun at Microsoft about their "consumer first" policies but Sony is falling right in line for next gen.

Buckle up.
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After they get their game pirated then they'll realize how "unhealthy" the PC "horizon" is. It's more like a bait to PS5, can't see more than that going to PC in the near future. Death Stranding is still an independent studio, no need to put it in the mix.
 
thicc_girls_are_teh_best

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Sethbacca said:
Nope, I meant FOMO. "If you don't buy a PS and play it here, then you're not gonna play it!". They're selling the fear of missing out if you're not on their platform, which I guess could be a form of FUD if you were to take a really relaxed approach to the term.
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Meh, I just look at phrases and stuff like that and laugh. Don't need a corporation to tell me what's important xD. I'll play when and where I decide, on my time.

But I get how it's an effective marketing tactic these days, although it kind of speaks to how much people've fallen into the trap of hyper-consumerism. Anyway, that's philosophical shit so let's leave it alone.

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After they get their game pirated then they'll realize how "unhealthy" the PC "horizon" is. It's more like a bait to PS5, can't see more than that going to PC in the near future. Death Stranding is still an independent studio, no need to put it in the mix.
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PC piracy hasn't really been a thing since Steam and GOG took off tho, and both of those were years ago. Only time we hear about piracy is when a game goes full-draconian DRM bullshit, and usually out of protest.

Otherwise, it's usually with digital shows that are stupidly locked away from official streaming in other parts of the world. The Mandalorian was massively pirated because of this.
 
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Yeah I think the majority of people will just stick with consoles no matter what. Only the hardcore will build a PC even for MS Exclusives or Playstation. I have a PC that can play majority of games 100 + fps but I much prefer console gaming just for the fact its plug and play, no hackers, no driver issues, no windows issues, and it is more of an even playing field. I wish they would limit cross play to xbox and Playstation in competitive games just for that fact. I dont want hackers ruining mine or anyone else's gaming experience.
 
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splattered said:
He has to be defensive about it because of the initial possible backlash from Sony fans... once they make a butt load of money off a couple titles they will start putting more and more on PC and that includes day and date stuff. You would have to be in complete denial to think otherwise.

People have been poking fun at Microsoft about their "consumer first" policies but Sony is falling right in line for next gen.

Buckle up.
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until it happens it's pure speculation. sony has a lot to lose by offering there exclusives day one on PC. sony makes the big bucks by people buying playstation and paying for PSN, and buying digital from there stores. what sony is doing is actually taking a page from nintendo but instead of putting there game on mobile. they will put some older well known games on PC to get gamers to wanna buy a PS5 for the sequels.
 
Neo Blaster

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M-V2 said:
Nothing against games going to PC, but "Only on PlayStation" is false advertising, Sony should be clear about their strategy, if their 1st party games going to PC day & date or 1 year later then I would stick to my PC instead of spending $500 or so on a new console. I'm that person who can wait a year, so it would be nice if they clear this out.
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Helmen already have in that interview, no releases on PC day and date, neither a definite period after console release.
 
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Darklor01

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Jason28 said:
Explain to me cause i'm fucking stupid, what this shithead is talking about



What ecosystem ? When did Steam become PS ecosystem ?
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The XBOX is presented as an ecosystem that all coexist. Games on XBX1, XBXS, XBX1X, and possibly XSX can all play the same games including previous gen games through BC.

Playstation consoles are presented as platform and cannot make similar claim.
 
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Gavin Stevens

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I have no clue about GTA6 other than development on those titles takes absolutely ages just to their size and complexity.

But if I was to put an educated guess on things, I would say rockstar would be utterly bonkers to put any sort of exclusivity deal in place. It earned like ONE BILLION DOLLLLLLARRRS in its first THREE days.

If they make it exclusive, think about how much one side would have to pony up to make it seem worthwhile. Even a month or two month deal would be insane.

Financially there is nothing on the planet that can touch GTA sales. Not a chance, IMO, it would go exclusive, timed or otherwise.
 
Bo_Hazem

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Putting Horizon: Zero Dawn on PC sends a very bad message. To me, I think it could easily backfire on them and "lessens" their overall sales if people get the idea that they'll eventually get them on PC. But if they migrate some from PC "or let's say along with their PC's" then it might be considered successful. The game already sold very well, not sure if they can make reasonable money out of PC. If I'm the decision maker, I won't put it or any exclusive on PC. I might buy the switch only to play Zelda, games sell consoles.
 
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RookX22

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AAA games with no GAAS dont make but loads of money on pc though. Everyone on pc brags about the sales waiting on the sales or pirating.
 
Apollo Helios

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HZD is a great game but game mechanics wise, because it's story wasn't that great tbh. The dialogue tree felt shoehorned in later in the development but cut down from their initial plans probably something along the lines of BW Mass Effect series with its Paragon and Renegade choices, since all the dialogue choices that were left in the game were RPG like and could've been omitted. The longer I played the more disinterested I've become in listening all the over the top characters and their jibber jabber.

But it played very well and I'm happy more people will get to play with upcoming PC port.

However, as Hulst says in the blog, they will not abandon hardware and current strategy, and this means HZD is mostly one off along Death Standing. Cause think about it, Guerrillas engine is used for both and since DS has been ported to PC, their toolset is available to the studio to port HZD too. Now hardware is as much product as their software, and till now they've used software to push their hardware AND they will continue to do the same. 3 years is a long time for exclusivity and any PC players willing to play the next installment can buy PS5. Some will be enticed some not, but the plan is unchanged and this game port is a one off, a packaged deal that made sense along with DS release on PC and nothing more. So don't wait for God of War, Uncharted, Marvel's Spiderman to be next...
 
thurnishaleygw

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Hi there!

I've been lurking these forums for quite some time, and I finally decided to be a good lad, create an account and say hello.

Also, I would like to say, regarding the latest PS news, that I personally don't see any drama on Horizon coming to PC. I played the game many times these last three years, and I think it's a good taste of what PC players can expect from Sony exclusives, and putting it into their platform is a good way to lure them in, if they're eager to play the sequel whenever it comes out. I don't see Sony, as of now, doing day & date releases on PC of their exclusives. But we'll see, I guess.
 
Jason28

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Darklor01 said:
The XBOX is presented as an ecosystem that all coexist. Games on XBX1, XBXS, XBX1X, and possibly XSX can all play the same games including previous gen games through BC.

Playstation consoles are presented as platform and cannot make similar claim.
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This guy Mat talks a lot but knows shit. Let's define ecosystem.
Xbox ecosystem is xbox live, that can be accessed through Xbox consoles, Windows Store and xCloud (in the future). That's all.
PS ecosystem is PSN, that can be accesed through PS consoles and PS Now. That's all.
Nintendo ecosystem is nintendo store, that can be accessed through nintendo consoles.

What Steam has to do with Playstation ecosystem ? What tf is this fat old guy smoking ?
 
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Kazekage1981

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Mriverz said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...st-tvs-for-gaming-with-low-input-lag-in-2020/


in the market for a new gen tv as well. Going wait til the companies drop their 2020 models
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Bo_Hazem said:
All of them should have amazing "input lag", don't give shit for response time, input lag is what you need to know. HDMI 2.1 features contain law latency mode for gaming, nearly all mentioned should have something around 15ms which is very good. Keep an eye for rtings.com reviews as those are still not reviewed. I can see TCL 8-Series to be the best value/quality and the 2020 model got noticeable praise on CES 2020.

I would still go with Sony XH90 for being a fanboy and for being very satisfied with previes Sony TV's that age pretty well beyond 10 years mark. LG LCD ate shit and degrade overtime, OLED is like a spoiled baby that you can get the best picture quality yet needs much more care. It all depends on your usage, I like Sony TV's for color accuracy as Sony refrence monitor is still the idol of TV's and they've shifted from OLED to LCD lately to bring extreme HDR/brightness. That monitor is sold for $43,000 for professionals and it's only 31".
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Thanks for explaining, guess as gamers we have hit the sweet spot for great upcoming UHDTVs as well this holiday season!
 
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Dabaus said:
The more clowns like him double down on RDNA 1 and github the more convinced i am the PS5 is actually within range or a little more powerful than the new Xbox. If/when PS5 is around the same power as xbox series X dudes like him will probably call for violence. Xbox fanboys have made this arbitrary "whose more powerful" meme so apart of their identity that i think if PS5 were to be more powerful it would send some of them over the edge. I would think things like quality exclusives, competitive price, good marketing deals, would be things to hype but no.
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Pot meet kettle
 
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