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bitbydeath

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Yeah, but this is nothing close to a "super flu." Nowhere near the deaths that say the 1918 'Spanish flu' caused. Unless or until it or some other bug reaches that kind of mark or worse (god forbid!) then it's no super flu. Unless this one changes, it won't be that either. Not saying it's NOTHING, but it's not that bad.

By super flu, I meant that you can get it again even after getting better just like the normal flu. What’s super about it is the death toll is a lot higher.
 

Sinthor

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By super flu, I meant that you can get it again even after getting better just like the normal flu. What’s super about it is the death toll is a lot higher.

I hear you. Just be careful about the death toll. Very inconsistent. At the high side, they say about 3.4% which is definitely not good. But places like South Korea where they really made an effort to test and diagnose everyone (and it's on the decline as well) their mortality rate was about .04% or thereabouts. Now, regular flu is only about .01% so it's still worse, but that's a BIG difference in mortality numbers. I think in the end it will turn out to be far closer to the .04%. So no laughing matter, especially if millions are affected, but definitely not the big super bug that people have worried about. That's all I mean.

Hell, here's a cheery thought. The thing has already apparently mutated once and developed a strain that's much worse than the initial one was. It could always do so again and THEN be like the Spanish flu... Of course, mutations USUALLY work out to make bugs LESS effective at killing, but...

Hope everyone just limits their exposure and stays safe. Even the regular flu kills hundreds of thousands of people a year. We don't need to add to those numbers AT ALL! :messenger_ok:
 
I hear you. Just be careful about the death toll. Very inconsistent. At the high side, they say about 3.4% which is definitely not good. But places like South Korea where they really made an effort to test and diagnose everyone (and it's on the decline as well) their mortality rate was about .04% or thereabouts. Now, regular flu is only about .01% so it's still worse, but that's a BIG difference in mortality numbers. I think in the end it will turn out to be far closer to the .04%. So no laughing matter, especially if millions are affected, but definitely not the big super bug that people have worried about. That's all I mean.

Hell, here's a cheery thought. The thing has already apparently mutated once and developed a strain that's much worse than the initial one was. It could always do so again and THEN be like the Spanish flu... Of course, mutations USUALLY work out to make bugs LESS effective at killing, but...

Hope everyone just limits their exposure and stays safe. Even the regular flu kills hundreds of thousands of people a year. We don't need to add to those numbers AT ALL! :messenger_ok:
Your mutations comment has me thinking of the worst bits of Prometheus.
Thanks for the insight though.
Im already so paranoid of touching things especially in public transport as I make my way home in the evening.
 

bitbydeath

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Are we sure about that?

Which part?
The getting it again was said to be true but I’m not sure how verified it is.

The greater deaths part looks to be accurate as the flu kills around 0.1% of those it infects while covid-19 is said to be around 2-3%

Edit: There have also been theories that the current treatments only hide the virus as opposed to curing it, which may explain why people are prone to “getting it again.”
 
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Sinthor

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Are we sure about that?

No. At least not yet. There was a case in Japan that they thought initially was a re-infection but that was determined to most likely be a relapse of the initial infection. They've also discovered there are TWO strains of the virus as well and it is unclear as to whether you are safe from both if you get just one of them. So It's just a bit early yet for certainty on these things, much like it is to have a determined actual mortality rate.
 

chitzy

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Yeah, but this is nothing close to a "super flu." Nowhere near the deaths that say the 1918 'Spanish flu' caused. Unless or until it or some other bug reaches that kind of mark or worse (god forbid!) then it's no super flu. Unless this one changes, it won't be that either. Not saying it's NOTHING, but it's not that bad.
We won't have nearly the death rate that was associated with the Spanish flu, but the economic damage that COVID-19 causes could potentially be just as bad. We live in a very different world than we did in 1918. Our financial markets are all highly interconnected and if one domino falls, generally, so do others. Not to mention that most people alive right now have never had to face any sort of situation where if they got sick or hurt, treatment could be difficult to come by.
 

Sinthor

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Your mutations comment has me thinking of the worst bits of Prometheus.
Thanks for the insight though.
Im already so paranoid of touching things especially in public transport as I make my way home in the evening.

Bingo on Prometheus! Thanks for reminding me of that! lol.

Hey everyone! Here's a cheery one for you. Go rent the movie "Contagion" with Matt Damon and Gweneth Paltrow in it. THAT's the worst case "super bug" scenario and also is a very damn realistic movie about how such a thing could happen and spread. Think of the spread of the normal flu or even this coronavirus, but something that kills like 80% of the people who get it. Cheery movie! :) Seriously, it's very good, but if you might be prone to panic about Coronavirus, definitely DO NOT watch it! :)

Also as someone else also correctly pointed out, fortunately for us, mutations tend to make viruses less deadly. Viruses that kill their hosts are shortening their own lifecycle as they cannot exist in a dead host. So mutations tend to prolong the infections and temper the aspects that lead to death. FORTUNATELY. That being said, there's no reason it couldn't happen the other way. Some scientists believe that Ebola actually mutated from another virus that was much more benign and THAT thing is the stuff of nightmares. If something like EBOLA got to be spread and was as contagious as the flu...well...we'd all be living a modern day rewind of the 'black death' in Europe that killed over half of the population. Yikes!

And on that cheery note...have a great night!

:messenger_winking_tongue:
 

Sinthor

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We won't have nearly the death rate that was associated with the Spanish flu, but the economic damage that COVID-19 causes could potentially be just as bad. We live in a very different world than we did in 1918. Our financial markets are all highly interconnected and if one domino falls, generally, so do others. Not to mention that most people alive right now have never had to face any sort of situation where if they got sick or hurt, treatment could be difficult to come by.

That's very true. The world economy has been near the edge for a while. This type of thing definitely could send it over the cliff. In the US I've been worried about that as well even with the strength of the economy simply from the perspective of the tremendous debt. Not good. So we'll see. Right now, with China pulling ahead of this (if we can believe them) it's likely that they will resume working in the coming weeks. So we're more likely to have a bad month or so economically. But we'll see.
 

Mriverz

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Plague of 1520 (smallpox) Plague of 1620, Plague of 1720, Plague of 1820, Plague of 1920. 2020 corona virus o_o

In conclusion. We all going die >.>. So much for next gen, hbo new shows, mirco led and sososo much more. Wooo o cruel fate.

Forever raven nevermore
 
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Anyone think this cat SonGoku SonGoku will be back just before both consoles are fully revealed? That would be some epic timing on his part🤣🤣🤣👍

I really hope that the winds of the hype momentum get to sailing soon af. Bring Da house Sony, we are all waiting...
 

chitzy

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That's very true. The world economy has been near the edge for a while. This type of thing definitely could send it over the cliff. In the US I've been worried about that as well even with the strength of the economy simply from the perspective of the tremendous debt. Not good. So we'll see. Right now, with China pulling ahead of this (if we can believe them) it's likely that they will resume working in the coming weeks. So we're more likely to have a bad month or so economically. But we'll see.
I would peg it at 3-4 months until things are back under control. Maybe less if the virus doesn't do well in warmer weather. China had the advantage of being one of few world governments who are willing to literally board people inside their own homes. Culturally as well I think China (and Asian cultures in general) are more community oriented which helps in dealing with situations like this. I think trying to get pampered Americans to abide with quarantine guidance will be like trying to herd cats.
 

B_Boss

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I’m not under NDA. The thing I’m under is my wife. BOOM. 🐦

But in all seriousness, 13 etc is actually a bigger gulf than will happen, and as it stands, right now (and for the foreseeable future) SX have the TF crown, from what I’ve seen. And that’s The latest DK. However, there are many crowns, and both sides have several each.

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Well O’d, tell me, how can SX have the crown if there are many crowns? Are you aware which crown, of the several, has the largest TF number lol? (No sarcasm intended mate!)
 
Bingo on Prometheus! Thanks for reminding me of that! lol.

Hey everyone! Here's a cheery one for you. Go rent the movie "Contagion" with Matt Damon and Gweneth Paltrow in it. THAT's the worst case "super bug" scenario and also is a very damn realistic movie about how such a thing could happen and spread. Think of the spread of the normal flu or even this coronavirus, but something that kills like 80% of the people who get it. Cheery movie! :) Seriously, it's very good, but if you might be prone to panic about Coronavirus, definitely DO NOT watch it! :)

Also as someone else also correctly pointed out, fortunately for us, mutations tend to make viruses less deadly. Viruses that kill their hosts are shortening their own lifecycle as they cannot exist in a dead host. So mutations tend to prolong the infections and temper the aspects that lead to death. FORTUNATELY. That being said, there's no reason it couldn't happen the other way. Some scientists believe that Ebola actually mutated from another virus that was much more benign and THAT thing is the stuff of nightmares. If something like EBOLA got to be spread and was as contagious as the flu...well...we'd all be living a modern day rewind of the 'black death' in Europe that killed over half of the population. Yikes!

And on that cheery note...have a great night!

:messenger_winking_tongue:
Lol i love your posts. You have a fan.

Have a great night.
 

TLZ

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Which part?
The getting it again was said to be true but I’m not sure how verified it is.

The greater deaths part looks to be accurate as the flu kills around 0.1% of those it infects while covid-19 is said to be around 2-3%

Edit: There have also been theories that the current treatments only hide the virus as opposed to curing it, which may explain why people are prone to “getting it again.”
Thanks.

How's the toilet paper pandemic where you are btw? It's ridiculous I can't find toilet paper anywhere :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 

TLZ

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Can anyone explain why there is no toilet paper? I just came from Walmart and it was picked clean.
In Australia, well here in Sydney at least, it's because of Corona panic. I think it started from a few going full on panic buying every toilet paper they could find, cleaning up the isles. Then others got worried they won't find toilet paper anymore and followed suit.

Crazy.
 
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bitbydeath

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Thanks.

How's the toilet paper pandemic where you are btw? It's ridiculous I can't find toilet paper anywhere :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Luckily I bought a giant pack before it all blew up. They usually last close to a month. Wife went shopping last weekend and said they’re still out of stock.
 
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In Australia, well here in Sydney at least, it's because of Corona panic. I think it started from a few going full on panic buying every toilet paper they could find, cleaning up the isles. Then others got worried they won't find toilet paper anymore and followed suit.

Crazy.

No I mean, I understand it’s because of the Coronavirus, but toilet paper has nothing to do with keeping yourself clean. It sounds like one of those things someone on Facebook made a meme about and people too seriously.
 

StreetsofBeige

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No I mean, I understand it’s because of the Coronavirus, but toilet paper has nothing to do with keeping yourself clean. It sounds like one of those things someone on Facebook made a meme about and people too seriously.
I read some of the panic buying is small businesses loading up in case wholesalers run out as they supply bigger companies.

But every day people assumed corona should lead to bomb sheltering yourself with supplies.
 
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SleepDoctor

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Here you are playing victim again. Oh showing off that you have a bigger dick with your collection that you probably got for free or didn't even pay for with your money? Nobody gives a shit. Your site is biased and it clearly shows. Your name is tied with Digital Foundry, deal with it. If you had any ounce of ethic you would've spoke up but no you can't stand up to your bosses who puts food on your table. For a guy that dissects games, you can't even tell me that AMD's presentation clearly meant RDNA 2 for both consoles? Are you fucking kidding me. Stop being disingenuous. Go play victim on ree where they worship you guys.

Every time I take a break from this thread and comeback I see another champion meltdown lol. Talk about emotional investment in a plastic box. Its really not that farfetched considering the other warriors who liked the post.

No use in speculating anymore, its boring already. Rather just wait on official news than throw a tantrum on here attacking other users.
 

StreetsofBeige

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Every time I take a break from this thread and comeback I see another champion meltdown lol. Talk about emotional investment in a plastic box. Its really not that farfetched considering the other warriors who liked the post.

No use in speculating anymore, its boring already. Rather just wait on official news than throw a tantrum on here attacking other users.
The thing about message board funnies (and this goes for games, sports or stock boards), I always give people the benefit of the doubt in the back of my mind thinking even ardent posters are just trolling for fun. It's just that some seem harder to pinpoint as clever trollers, or actually serious about it.

We all know how this one ended up.
 

Bogroll

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I would peg it at 3-4 months until things are back under control. Maybe less if the virus doesn't do well in warmer weather. China had the advantage of being one of few world governments who are willing to literally board people inside their own homes. Culturally as well I think China (and Asian cultures in general) are more community oriented which helps in dealing with situations like this. I think trying to get pampered Americans to abide with quarantine guidance will be like trying to herd cats.
To off set that though they're culturally not as hygienic as us Brits, Americans and most of the Western World. Look where it started.
 

Mendou

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Well I hate to tell you we are moving that direction as a whole.
The Gaming Industry slowly trying to become easier on game developers and game publishers. Even Console Makers are trying to make it easier on Game Developers and Publishers.

The Xbox One and PS4 ran the same architecture last gen. PS5 and Xbox Series X will be closer in terms of Specs then Last Gen. To Make it easier on Developers and Publishers

Sony PS5 is moving PSN over to the Azure Network. Azure Network the backbone of Xbox Live to make it easier on Developers and Publishers to do Cross Platform Gaming.

Every Thing In Gaming is becoming stream lined to Maximize Profits and Efficiencies of Game Development and Publishing.

As Many laughed at Microsoft with Game Pass and putting games on PC. Sony is slowly following suit. There is to Much money to be made not to.

So I wouldn’t be surprised in the next 5 years. If there is an app on Xbox that is a Subscription service to play PS Games I.E. PS Now. I wouldn’t Be surprised if Game Pass ends up on PS5. Or You as a gamer being able to buy older PlayStation Exclusives on Xbox. Being able to Buy Xbox Exclusives On PS. We are moving that direction very fast.
I wonder what the future would have looked like if Sony improved the CELL engine and made it developer-friendly. The PS4 is apparently easier to develop for than the PS2 but the PS2 was immensly powerful for its time due to its custom architecture.
 
I wonder what the future would have looked like if Sony improved the CELL engine and made it developer-friendly. The PS4 is apparently easier to develop for than the PS2 but the PS2 was immensly powerful for its time due to its custom architecture.

The PS3 Cell Engine should be able to emulated with a decent CPU and GPU. Would have to move some Graphic Operations to the GPU Pipeline Which shouldn’t be to hard. Just time consuming. The issue is the split memory remapping and rebalancing the CPU Power Instruction set to current code.

PS2 was kinda complex to develop for, but easy. Just had to use the different dedicated chips. If my memory is correct with the PS2 Emotion Engine. Might have to ask some people I know do they remember. More powerful then most PC Cards back then, but only as third as powerful as OG XBOX.
 
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Shmunter

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What a way to start a new decade. I always think about how movies show a foreshadowing of technological changes from a fictional setting. Are we seeing an evolution of how things are being done now moving forward? New decade. New way of doing things 🤔
Digitising our existence. When VR becomes advanced enough, we’ll have a feeding tube and self cleaning diaper fitted because it will be more convenient than the real world.

Eventually we’ll go fully digital by digitising our memories. Immortality.
 

StreetsofBeige

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Hmmmm..... I know this has zero chance, but you know how people talk about Lockhart and SeX? And SeX has a UHD drive?

I'm hoping there is a discless SeX as well.

I'm all digital for years. I was a supporter of discs, but the second discs became giant mandatory installs (unlike last gen where almost every 360 game could be run off the disc fast) like digital downloads, I might as well just go the convenience route and go digital.

So perhaps a discless SeX for $50 cheaper?
 
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kareemna

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The PS3 Cell Engine should be able to emulated with a decent CPU and GPU. Would have to move some Graphic Operations to the GPU Pipeline Which shouldn’t be to hard. Just time consuming. The issue is the split memory remapping and rebalancing the CPU Power Instruction set to current code.

PS2 was kinda complex to develop for, but easy. Just had to use the different dedicated chips. If my memory is correct with the PS2 Emotion Engine. Might have to ask some people I know do they remember. More powerful then most PC Cards back then, but only as third as powerful as OG XBOX.

The EE was a precursor to the CELL, on a smaller scale. To emulate the CELL it usually requires multicore and multithreaded CPUs with a clock rate above 3.0 GHz. Do not forget that some games utilized the CPU for vectors (usually GPU).
 
Hmmmm..... I know this has zero chance, but you know how people talk about Lockhart and SeX? And SeX has a UHD drive?

I'm hoping there is a discless SeX as well.

I'm all digital for years. I was a supporter of discs, but the second discs became giant mandatory installs (unlike last gen where almost every 360 game could be run off the disc fast) like digital downloads, I might as well just go the convenience route and go digital.

So perhaps a discless SeX for $50 cheaper?
Do Not Quote me and do not take this as fact.

Buy what I heard second rumor and whispers. The original Lockheart plans was supposed to be discless and a streaming console hybrid. Think Half Google Stadia mets Xbox One X. Even Heard Whispers it could be Google Stadia Mets Xbox One X and maybe portable also.

But these are very Old rumors and Second Hand Whispers. So I have no clue how factual they where or are.
 
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The EE was a precursor to the CELL, on a smaller scale. To emulate the CELL it usually requires multicore and multithreaded CPUs with a clock rate above 3.0 GHz. Do not forget that some games utilized the CPU for vectors (usually GPU).
Like I said was rusty and didn’t remember all the details. I did get the basics rough draft right didn’t I?
 

StreetsofBeige

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I've never tried PS3 emulators on PC, but are those any good? Or are they garbage?

If PC modders can make good emulators, Sony staff should be able to make it even better.
 

Kumomeme

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To off set that though they're culturally not as hygienic as us Brits, Americans and most of the Western World. Look where it started.
we asians laughing at westerns who use tissue to wipe butt all this time

also, its not simply because of cultural differences.... lot of asian country not advance as those who at western 'world' ..there lot of development country and even there those who struggle to catch up to each others and obviously thats speak the differences of mentality and attitude also insfrastructure..its not fair to compare things like that..
 
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The PS3 Cell Engine should be able to emulated with a decent CPU and GPU. Would have to move some Graphic Operations to the GPU Pipeline Which shouldn’t be to hard. Just time consuming. The issue is the split memory remapping and rebalancing the CPU Power Instruction set to current code.

PS2 was kinda complex to develop for, but easy. Just had to use the different dedicated chips. If my memory is correct with the PS2 Emotion Engine. Might have to ask some people I know do they remember. More powerful then most PC Cards back then, but only as third as powerful as OG XBOX.

Yeah the ps2 was quite a sophisticated piece of kit for its time, despite og Xbox and Gamecube being stronger overall, didn't the ps2 still have some specific advantage in certain areas? I'm trying to recall, I remember the Sons of Liberty port on the Xbox was inferior visually compared to the ps2 version.
 

FeiRR

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Has this been posted yet? Hermen Hulst Q&A: Interview with Head of PlayStation’s Worldwide Studios
He clearly states that publishing all Sony titles on PC isn't going to be the policy. He also confirms that Sony's going to continue their policy of focusing on SP story-driven games with a bit of experimenting, so basically the same thing they've been successful with this gen. Also cuts a lot of doom and gloom. See, Bo_Hazem Bo_Hazem don't worry. The future is bright! We're all going to die BUT while playing post-apo walking sims with 11 pigeon power graphics!

Yeah the ps2 was quite a sophisticated piece of kit for its time, despite og Xbox and Gamecube being stronger overall, didn't the ps2 still have some specific advantage in certain areas? I'm trying to recall, I remember the Sons of Liberty port on the Xbox was inferior visually compared to the ps2 version.
It was the same on PC. I played the game there first but it was a terrible port and performed badly even though I had a powerful desktop. Then I got a PS2 for God of War and I was amazed how SoL worked on it, too.
 
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Yeah the ps2 was quite a sophisticated piece of kit for its time, despite og Xbox and Gamecube being stronger overall, didn't the ps2 still have some specific advantage in certain areas? I'm trying to recall, I remember the Sons of Liberty port on the Xbox was inferior visually compared to the ps2 version.
It was Very Strong for its time. Also OG Xbox was Priced Very High at launch and Microsoft took a loss per console sold.
 

StreetsofBeige

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No people can claim cleanliness or laugh at others if their own country has people shitting into open holes in the ground where you even have to bring your own toilet paper.
 

kareemna

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I've never tried PS3 emulators on PC, but are those any good? Or are they garbage?

If PC modders can make good emulators, Sony staff should be able to make it even better.

The current emu is called rpcs3 and has a little over 50% games compatibility, which means fully playable. But the specs to run the emulator are high usually.

It was Very Strong for its time. Also OG Xbox was Priced Very High at launch and Microsoft took a loss per console sold.

As previously mentioned the way EE was designed is basically a precursor to CELL. EE is a superscalar MIPS, 2 vector units (miniature CELL :messenger_winking:) and something called Image Processing Unit (!).
 
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