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Console gen over before it's started - PS5. Only 10.3 tflops. Only 36 CUs...

Coulomb_Barrier

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PS5 has just secured inevitable dominance this coming gen assuming their first party don't crap the bed. Here me out warriors. The reason is the pricing strategy. PS5 was either going to be one of two approaches:

1. Most powerful console but with a hefty price tag and a decline in their 2:1 sales split with Xbox this gen
2. Powerful but cheaper console (36 CU GPU is a lot cheaper to produce than 52 CU in Series X) with a mainstream price and continued worldwide dominance.

Sony are not stupid so they chose No.2. MS it appears are quite stupid and chose to play second (or third) fiddle worldwide again with a premium console that can't hit mainstream price sweet spot or even get close.

How is the Series X, at minimum $500, going to sell in the vast markets where the price is going to kill sales stone dead? A worldwide recession, or one in US and Europe at least, is coming hard with Coronavirus shutting down industry for months to come. How's a $500 product gonna sell in that climate?

Also, but less significant, is Series X will have no exclusives, so it's pitched more against gaming PCs where it loses hard. And with all that power, PS5 exclusives may look more impressive because of this fact...

So fly at me with all your wrath ladies and gents, Cerny/Sony just pulled off a masterstroke!!!
 
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JohnnyFootball

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I see people saying that Sony can't afford to sell this at $399. That's BS. They could afford to sell the PS3 at what was it $250 loss per console sold?

Do they want to do that? Probably not.

Of course MS could also afford to sell the XSX at a loss, but I'd be real surprised if it is priced at $399.
 
OGay

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That's 10.28 variable performance TF on PS5.

Which means peak performance.

In other words, they had to overclock to not look embarrassing.

The actual steady TF of PS5 in reality is around 9.




So yes, you're correct. In terms of power this battle is done. You will see comparisons between games down the line that will exemplify this.
 
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Coulomb_Barrier

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JohnnyFootball said:
I see people saying that Sony can't afford to sell this at $399. That's BS. They could afford to sell the PS3 at what was it $250 loss per console sold?

Do they want to do that? Probably not.

Of course MS could also afford to sell the XSX at a loss, but I'd be real surprised if it is priced at $399.
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Series X is bracketed as 'premium', and the BOM is going to push the cost up to levels around what Zhuge tweeted. So the price is $500. This is going to bomb outside of the US and UK. But even there, recession is coming hard.

So it leaves PS5 with a huge advantage, seeing as Zhuge said the BOM is at least $50 cheaper..
 
Mokus

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JohnnyFootball said:
I see people saying that Sony can't afford to sell this at $399. That's BS. They could afford to sell the PS3 at what was it $250 loss per console sold?

Do they want to do that? Probably not.

Of course MS could also afford to sell the XSX at a loss, but I'd be real surprised if it is priced at $399.
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With the recession around the corner, selling anything at a big loss it is not wise.
 
Coulomb_Barrier

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OGay said:
That's 10.4 variable performance TF on PS5.

Which means peak performance.

In other words, they had to overclock to not look embarrassing.

They actual TF of PS5 in reality is around 9.




So yes, you're correct. In terms of power this battle is done. You will see comparisons between games down the line that will exemplify this.
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In terms of power the Series X gets out-gunned hard by gaming PCs. So it doesn't win in sales nor power :)
 
JohnnyFootball

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Coulomb_Barrier said:
Series X is bracketed as 'premium', and the BOM is going to push the cost up to levels around what Zhuge tweeted. So the price is $500. This is going to bomb outside of the US and UK. But even there, recession is coming hard.

So it leaves PS5 with a huge advantage, seeing as Zhuge said the BOM is at least $50 cheaper..
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To be fair, MS is in a much much better financial position to sell this console below cost than Sony is.
 
Fbh

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It's too early to say much. Pricing, as opposed to power, has historically been relevant but at this point neither MS or Sony have talked about it
 
StreetsofBeige

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Coulomb_Barrier said:
How is the Series X, at minimum $500, going to sell in the vast markets where the price is going to kill sales stone dead? A worldwide recession, or one in US and Europe at least, is coming hard with Coronavirus shutting down industry for months to come. How's a $500 gonna sell in that climate?
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It isn't, especially if PS5 is $100 is cheaper.

But it's like a Lexus vs a boring Honda.

A Honda Accord will sell more than any Lexus. I'll take the Lexus.
 
OGay

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Coulomb_Barrier said:
In terms of power the Series X gets out-gunned hard by gaming PCs. So it doesn't win in sales nor power :)
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If you read the title of the thread we replied to, "console gen," then yes it does. Context matters .

Guess what, a McLaren sports vehicle goes faster than an Xbox SeX rolling down a hill. So it wins.

Does that matter? No the fuck is does not. Why are we bringing stupid ass comparisons into this?
 
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Jamesb0ndjr

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OGay said:
That's 10.28 variable performance TF on PS5.

Which means peak performance.

In other words, they had to overclock to not look embarrassing.

The actual steady TF of PS5 in reality is around 9.




So yes, you're correct. In terms of power this battle is done. You will see comparisons between games down the line that will exemplify this.
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The issue is you're not even being genuine. The GPU of the PS5 runs at a much higher clock speed and therefore those teraflops are not 1 to 1 comparable, since they are ultimately more efficient, among other things. You want to brute force something? Then Xbox probably wins, but things aren't quite so clear if you take the advantages of PS5 into consideration.
 
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Musky_Cheese

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Skyr said:
B.. B.. But we don't know the price yet.
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But what do we know?

1. We know that Xbox has the most powerful console. (NICE)

2. Xbox first party is closer to Google Stadia in quality than it is to Playstation (Rut Row)

3. Game Pass is Nice (NICE)

4. Xbox very likely to be more $$$ than Playstation (Rut Row)

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jakinov

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Additional raw performance is nice boost if you can afford it but it doesn't you a linear net benefit of dynamic applications like video games. Running the same program that's just going to a bunch of the same calculations then. Sure raw performance is better. But having a very fast SSD gives developers the ability to make their games more dynamic and immersive by being able to swap out 60-70% on average (possibly over 100% via compression according to cerny if the compression works out well in theory) of your memory in a second. Casuals gamers, i.e. the vast majority of people probably aren't going to care about a little extra power or notice the difference, and a bit of extra power isn't going to kill brand loyalty.

And in general a significantly faster SSD in theory offers a better user experience in a lot of fronts. Almost no loads, times and even non-gameplay tasks such as patching/installs are faster for the user.

Xbox Series X games are probably going to look better but it probably won't be that big of a noticeable difference.

Think about Horizon Zero Dawn's rotating camera except on steroids, and think about what if you were moving a lot faster. Think about what if you were teleported to a completely different spot.
 
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tflopsmatter

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I totally agree. Sony ended this console generation before it began. I apologize to everyone who I mocked. The truth is that Sony has given up on the console business.
 
OGay

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Jamesb0ndjr said:
The issue is you're not even being genuine. The GPU of the PS5 runs at a much higher clock speed and therefore those teraflops are not 1 to 1 comparable, since they are ultimately more efficient, among other things. You want to brute force something? Then Xbox probably wins, but things aren't quite so clear if you take the advantages of PS5 into consideration.
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What YOU don't understand is that PS5 GHz numbers is measured at peak performance, which PS5 is not going to be able to sustain indefinitely.

If Series X were to overclock, you would see the GHz numbers jump way over PS5's 2.3ghz.

Don't question how "genuine" something is if you lack understanding. You look stupid, when not sounding like a bitch.
 
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Kokoloko85

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Only if God of War 2, Gran Turismo 7, Spider-man 2, Naughty dog’s next game dont sell millions of consoles..... which they will sell millions and millions of consoles. So no
 
Hobbygaming

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OGay said:
That's 10.28 variable performance TF on PS5.

Which means peak performance.

In other words, they had to overclock to not look embarrassing.

The actual steady TF of PS5 in reality is around 9.




So yes, you're correct. In terms of power this battle is done. You will see comparisons between games down the line that will exemplify this.
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Sony's 1st party will still have the best visuals I'm betting. Look at the X and the Pro or even the X vs the base PS4

TLOU 2
UC4
Ghost of Tsushima
Days Gone
God of War
Infamous
Horizon

The list goes on
 
DESTROYA

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I think the power difference won’t be as bad as people think sure 36CU vs 52CU sounds huge but the much faster GPU speeds on the PS5 should help hopefully not at the cost of fan noise.
I do think the PS5 will be cheaper
Texas Pride said:
With the incoming recession consoles will be a hard sell either way. More so for MS. when the dust settles ain't nobody spending $499-599 on a Xbox.
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Not with the $1000 checks we’ll all be getting here in the US.
 
Ixiah

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Considering Nintendo surpasses Xbox with a frigging Tegra X1 Chip....
Hardware will not be the deciding Factor, Games will be.
Well that and that fact i dont have to buy a cheap hull wraped around a regular ssd card that somehow will excuse the premium Price for an Storage upgrade...
 
OGay

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Hobbygaming said:
Sony's 1st party will still have the best visuals I'm betting. Look at the X and the Pro or even the X vs the base PS4

TLOU 2
UC4
Ghost of Tsushima
Days Gone
God of War
Infamous
Horizon

The list goes on
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They do have some talented studios under their belt. Hopefully Sony goes fierce with their games, competition has been great.
 
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