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[cryptoadam]

I don't believe China's numbers at the start. But I am even more upset with the Aussie governments response to this whole tragedy. On Jan 25 we had our first 4 cases arrive from China. We only started testing 2 days earlier. God knows how many others came in prior to that or were not detected as infected. We should have closed the borders there and then.

Why did those people enter your country from china when china knew about this as earlt as Dec 11th?

Why didnt CCP stop travelers from leaving the epicenter of the virus ?

So you would of stopped travle against the orders of the WHO? The same WHO that said they opposed a travel ban from china on jan 31st ?

Every government around the world was late on this because the CCP lied and downplayed the severity of this.

 

[cryptoadam]

No. The first recorded patient over there didn't have contact with "that" market.

Blaming entire populations for something virologists predicted decades ago is nonsense.

On dec 16th the first patient was admitted to hospital and they worked to a wildlife market connected to the outbreak.

Timeline: The early days of China's coronavirus outbreak and cover-up

Serious measures were delayed for about 3 weeks.

www.axios.com

Im not blaming an entir population i am blaming the CCP.

After SARS china closed down the wet markets. Then slowly they let them back. So ya the CCP didnt listen to the virulogists.

And then the CCP silenced 8 doctors who tried to warn the world about this new killer pneomnia telling them to stop spreading false rumors going as far as to destroy samples in a lab studying corona.

 

[Chairman Tickles]

I don't believe China's numbers at the start. But I am even more upset with the Aussie governments response to this whole tragedy. On Jan 25 we had our first 4 cases arrive from China. We only started testing 2 days earlier. God knows how many others came in prior to that or were not detected as infected. We should have closed the borders there and then.

To sum up the irrational nature of the skepticism;

Where did it all start? China is to blame and I hope they crash and burn.

Is this before or after the US crashes and burns for falsifying evidence in order to start a war which resulted in so much death, or for engineering the 2008 global market crash and recession in which 90 million Chinese lost their jobs. Hmmmm?

 

[Breakage]

The world once again pays for a barbaric and unhygienic Chinese cultural tradition. The continued existence of wet markets will ensure another pandemic originating from China will happen sooner rather than later.

I was recently looking at tours of wet markets on YouTube and came across this video from a Chinese woman:



The opportunities for cross contamination are numerous. The people working in these markets don't even believe in washing their hands properly. There aren't even facilities to wash your hands. It's not surprising that a virus emerged under such conditions.

 

[crowbrow]

I don't think people trust China as much as people have to put up with them cause they're a superpower.

More or less how many other countries see the U.S.

This, I trust China as little as I trust the US or Russia. Superpower nations do a lot of shady shit and lie all the time, it's how they keep being powerful.

 

[Swauny Jones]

Y'all are stupid for blaming China. Blame your own governments for not taking the seriousness of the outbreak serious enough and reacting quickly to it.

 

[Swauny Jones]

This, I trust China as little as I trust the US or Russia. Superpower nations do a lot of shady shit and lie all the time, it's how they keep being powerful.

Thank you

 

[crowbrow]

Also why are we westerners so angry at China now? Our whole fucking standard of living comes from them. Western corporations have taken advantage of chinese slave labor to provide us all of all the nice little things we posses. Do you think corporations care about ideologies? they don't fucking care if they are dealing with communists, fascists, capitalists, terrorists or colonialists, they care about money and influence, history has shown that. This is the wonderful world created by the invisible (which is also amoral and blind) hand of the holy market which Reagan and Thatcher so eloquently sold us back in the day.

So enjoy it because we all are part of what is happening. no one can play the victim here. We have been repeatedly warned about this for decades and while cash and nice little trinkets were coming nobody gave two shits about any injustice or immoral behavior until it takes the form of a microscopic bug and comes knocking on our door.

 

[EightBit Man]

On dec 16th the first patient was admitted to hospital and they worked to a wildlife market connected to the outbreak.

AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

The earliest patient with symptoms was traced back to December 1.

The idea of people eating bats is downright ridiculous. And I don’t believe it for a second.

 

[ExpandKong]

Y'all are stupid for blaming China. Blame your own governments for not taking the seriousness of the outbreak serious enough and reacting quickly to it.

Would have been easier for them to do if China hadn’t been fucking hiding how bad it was from the rest of the world before it was too late, wouldn’t it?

Quit trying to protect China.

 

[EightBit Man]

I honestly believe this is the problem, and nothing else. We have made a fucking mess of this world. For ten thousand years we’ve been acting like violent, alien beings on a planet that is our home. Either we develop a healthy relationship with the universe, or we might as well perish.

Destroyed Habitat Creates the Perfect Conditions for Coronavirus to Emerge

COVID-19 may be just the beginning of mass pandemics

www.scientificamerican.com

 

[Swauny Jones]

Would have been easier for them to do if China hadn’t been fucking hiding how bad it was from the rest of the world before it was too late, wouldn’t it?

Quit trying to protect China.

Actually it would've been easier to do if your president listened to his advisors warning him of how deadly it was but chose to downplay it instead until it became an actual crisis. China is pretty much back to normal now and about to get back to everyday life.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

In addition: Why was anyone trusting what they said before CV?

Came to post this.

Actually it would've been easier to do if your president listened to his advisors warning him of how deadly it was but chose to downplay it instead until it became an actual crisis. China is pretty much back to normal now and about to get back to everyday life.

Just about every country is not handling this very well. And China back to normal? Give me a break. You think they eliminated the virus in their country?

 

[cryptoadam]

AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

The earliest patient with symptoms was traced back to December 1.

The idea of people eating bats is downright ridiculous. And I don’t believe it for a second.

Welp pretty much all the scientific evidence says it comes from a bat, and no scientist is saying it was made in lab and have strongly refuted that.

So either someone ate a bat, or got bit bay bat, or ate something that got bit by a bat etc....

Also do you have a link for the first case from December 1st?

Here is a paywall article about Wei Guixian, one of the first cases of Corona virus, a seafood merchant in Hu'nan market

How It All Started: China’s Early Coronavirus Missteps

China’s errors, dating back to the very first patients, were compounded by political leaders who dragged their feet to inform the public of the risks and to take decisive control measures. The result is an epidemic that has gripped the global economy.

www.wsj.com

 

[cryptoadam]

The world once again pays for a barbaric and unhygienic Chinese cultural tradition. The continued existence of wet markets will ensure another pandemic originating from China will happen sooner rather than later.

I was recently looking at tours of wet markets on YouTube and came across this video from a Chinese woman:



The opportunities for cross contamination are numerous. The people working in these markets don't even believe in washing their hands properly. There aren't even facilities to wash your hands. It's not surprising that a virus emerged under such conditions.

Why are you posting a video from New York City? I mean clearly thats not China, its obliviously somewhere in Oregon or maybe North Dakota.

 

[lock2k]

To all people defending China: go live there with the fucking communist government controlling your lives and censoring everything. Leave the west for those who appreciate it. Easy to defend that shithole without living there.

 

[Swauny Jones]

To all people defending China: go live there with the fucking communist government controlling your lives and censoring everything. Leave the west for those who appreciate it. Easy to defend that shithole without living there.

Might want to educate yourself on living in China before spewing your propaganda. You have no idea what it's like there.

 

[lock2k]

Might want to educate yourself on living in China before spewing your propaganda. You have no idea what it's like there.

Everyone who says stuff like "educate yourself" in a sentence is full of shit and want to appear superior. Guess what? IDGAF. Where do you live? I live in Brazil. It fucking sucks here but I still have more freedom than motherfucking China and no one censors the stuff I enjoy. Fuck that communist shithole of a country. It's about time for the west to stop being China's goddamned prostitute.

 

[Swauny Jones]

Everyone who says stuff like "educate yourself" in a sentence is full of shit and want to appear superior. Guess what? IDGAF. Where do you live? I live in Brazil. It fucking sucks here but I still have more freedom than motherfucking China and no one censors the stuff I enjoy. Fuck that communist shithole of a country. It's about time for the west to stop being China's goddamned prostitute.

All this nonsense you're talking and 90% of the Chinese population lives better than you. You being in Brazil got much bigger issues to worry about. Why don't you go and put your baseless efforts to something meaningful, like stopping your country from tearing down the rainforest and putting the rest of the world on a faster pace to extinction.

 

[Chairman Tickles]

To all people defending China: go live there with the fucking communist government controlling your lives and censoring everything. Leave the west for those who appreciate it. Easy to defend that shithole without living there.

Been there done that. Going back as soon as possible for even longer stay. Life in China is more free and there is basically no crime to worry about and most of the people are far more happy and pleasant in general.

Plus the infrastructure is the best and brand spanking new.

Gen Z in West raised in single parent households are absolute cunts and the millennials are mentally ill from decades of hollyweird media, and even the idea of respecting your parents, teachers and society at large is taboo. They're walking hand in hand toward a total societal collapse.

 

[lock2k]

All this nonsense you're talking and 90% of the Chinese population lives better than you. You being in Brazil got much bigger issues to worry about. Why don't you go and put your baseless efforts to something meaningful, like stopping your country from tearing down the rainforest and putting the rest of the world on a faster pace to extinction.

Do you know my standard of living before talking shit? I'm sure 90% of China is comprised of fucking rural peasants who have nothing to eat. Stop choking on China's cum filled cock. Again. Where the fuck do you live to get so offended about China? Answer me.

At least I can fucking buy a console and access websites without the government interfering. Stop defending communist scum.

Also. Fuck fhe rainforest. It's just a bunch of wood. Let it burn.

 

[lock2k]

Been there done that. Going back as soon as possible for even longer stay. Life in China is more free and there is basically no crime to worry about and most of the people are far more happy and pleasant in general.

Gen Z in West raised in single parent households are absolute cunts and the millennials are mentally ill from decades of hollyweird media, they're walking hand in hand toward a total societal collapse.

I prefer to live in a crime ridden place and have freedom. What are you spewing about gen Z?

 

[Swauny Jones]

LMAO Your last post says all I need to hear. You don't know squat. Since you're so interested on where I live. I live in beautiful Toronto (which is in Canada by the way). Amusing chatting with someone this clueless.

Do you know my standard of living before talking shit? I'm sure 90% of China is comprised of fucking rural peasants who have nothing to eat. Stop choking on China's cum filled cock. Again. Where the fuck do you live to get so offended about China? Answer me.

At least I can fucking buy a console and access websites without the government interfering. Stop defending communist scum.

Also. Fuck fhe rainforest. It's just a bunch of wood. Let it burn.

 

[Chairman Tickles]

I prefer to live in a crime ridden place and have freedom. What are you spewing about gen Z?

You have freedom to walk alone at night without looking over your shoulder? #doubt

China has freedom where it truly counts, on the individual level in day to day life. Boohoo you can't be a full time anti-government activist. That's not life for 99.9999999999% of people in the west either.

No, voicing your dissent over social and political issues on twitter isn't activism. Chinese do that on their social media 24/7. It's just fruitless venting

 

[lock2k]

LMAO Your last post says all I need to hear. You don't know squat. Since you're so interested on where I live. I live in beautiful Toronto. Amusing chatting with someone this clueless.

I actually learned English while living in Toronto in 1997 you idiot. I have family in Missisauga. Great city indeed. Stop defending shitty China. You live in Canada. It's the pussified version of America but at least you are free.

I only said that about the Amazon because non-Brazilians think we actually live close to the rainforest. It is so fucking far from here I'm going to die without never getting to see it. It is a country with continental dimensions. If you want to protect it, go there, be my guest. Brazil has way bigger problems than the forest.

 

[lock2k]

You have freedom to walk alone at night without looking over your shoulder? #doubt

China has freedom where it truly counts, on the individual level in day to day life. Boohoo you can't be a full time anti-government activist. That's not life for 99.9999999999% of people in the west either.

No, voicing your dissent over social and political issues on twitter isn't activism. Chinese do that on their social media 24/7. It's just fruitless venting

What are you on about twitter? I never used it and i think it's completely pointless.

 

[Swauny Jones]

I actually learned English while living in Toronto in 1997 you idiot. I have family in Missisauga LMAO I probably know you.. Which part of sauga. Great city indeed. Stop defending shitty China. You live in Canada. It's the pussified version of America but at least you are free. **Horrible comparison, which speaks on your education**

I only said that about the Amazon because non-Brazilians think we actually live close to the rainforest. It is so fucking far from here I'm going to die without never getting to see it. It is a country with continental dimensions. If you want to protect it, go there, be my guest. Brazil has way bigger problems than the forest. **Actually they don't, this affects the whole world, not a corrupt country**

Gosh I just can't man LOL!!! Anyhow the whole world is pretty corrupt and a lot of people really need to do their homework before spewing nonsense in regards to how a country is run

 

[Breakage]

Why are you posting a video from New York City? I mean clearly thats not China, its obliviously somewhere in Oregon or maybe North Dakota.

From the description in the video:
“My Chinese wife takes us on a tour of a typical wet market in China...”

 

[lock2k]

Gosh I just can't man LOL!!! Anyhow the whole world is pretty corrupt and a lot of people really need to do their homework before spewing nonsense in regards to how a country is run

About the family. Their last name is Nascimento. Funnily enough some of the kids are chinese mixed. One of them moved to Toronto kike 3 years ago. They were going to come here next month but the Chinese virus fucked everything.

Why do you think everything you say about governments is the absolute truth and people who disagree needs to be educated? Ever heard of different opinions? This is a way to shut down a discussion while appearing superior and that's exactly what you are doing here. I'm not a politician but I do not agree with the way China is governed and I have the freedom to think like this and this is my opinion and my world view. I'm not trying to shut down your way of thinking or ridicule your thoughts but you are clearly doing this to me.

I will not change the way I think. Stop.

 

[cryptoadam]

From the description in the video:
“My Chinese wife takes us on a tour of a typical wet market in China...”

I was being sarcastic. I have watched ADV videos before. They have been talking about wet markets for years now.

 

[Swauny Jones]

About the family. Their last name is Nascimento. Funnily enough some of the kids are chinese mixed. One of them moved to Toronto kike 3 years ago. They were going to come here next month but the Chinese virus fucked everything.

Why do you think everything you say about governments is the absolute truth and people who disagree needs to be educated? Ever heard of different opinions? This is a way to shut down a discussion while appearing superior and that's exactly what you are doing here. I'm not a politician but I do not agree with the way China is governed and I have the freedom to think like this and this is my opinion and my world view. I'm not trying to shut down your way of thinking or ridicule your thoughts but you are clearly doing this to me.

I will not change the way I think. Stop.

The CCP has flagged your profile and you'll be questioned upon your arrival in China. Please refrain from discussing glorious China any further or this may result in a 100 pt deduction of your social credit score and may deem you unfit to travel outside of the region. This message is sponsored by the glorious CCP. We strive for excellence.

 

[lock2k]

The CCP has flagged your profile and you'll be questioned upon your arrival in China. Please refrain from discussing glorious China any further or this may result in a 100 pt deduction of your social credit score and may deem you unfit to travel outside of the region. This message is sponsored by the glorious CCP. We strive for excellence.

As long as I keep my kung pow chicken I'll be fine.

 

[LordKasual]

If there is just one frickin good thing I wish can come out of this whole mess after it's over, is that NO ONE should trust ANYTHING that China says EVER AGAIN.

The next time we hear about some "mysterious virus" appearing in China, just immediately shut all borders and travel with China. Seems like it's the only rational thing to do from this point on, unless we just want these things to keep happening over and over again?

America's government literally lied and told everyone the virus wasn't even an issue long enough for people to pull their stocks out before everything went to shit.

I don't see how the handling of Covid19 from any government seems trustworthy, but LEAST of which America and China.


We should have been like South Korea, they had shit rolling almost immediately.

 

[darkinstinct]

If there is just one frickin good thing I wish can come out of this whole mess after it's over, is that NO ONE should trust ANYTHING that China says EVER AGAIN.

The next time we hear about some "mysterious virus" appearing in China, just immediately shut all borders and travel with China. Seems like it's the only rational thing to do from this point on, unless we just want these things to keep happening over and over again?

The fuck are you talking about? China hasn't stopped a single day to tell every country that they need to take the most drastic measures. It's not their fault that all other countries are incapable of doing just that. China took measures when there were 400 cases in a region with 60 million people and barely any deaths. All other countries have waited several weeks after that point and try to keep people go to work. That's not how it works. Workplace is one of the most critical infection hotspots. China managed to get over Covid-19 because they basically locked everyone in their house and provided them with the food they needed.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

We have a fresh new cult approaching the retardation of the antivaxxers and the flat-earthers: people who deny the virus originated in China.

"Did the Wuhan Coronavirus really come from China?!" is top ignorance. It's funny to troll like this on the internet but I seriously hope you aren't spreading FUD to people around you. Kinda difficult to prevent a problem from happening again when you actively try to cover up the source of what happened.

 

[pramod]

Actually it would've been easier to do if your president listened to his advisors warning him of how deadly it was but chose to downplay it instead until it became an actual crisis. China is pretty much back to normal now and about to get back to everyday life.

Are you confident about that?

 

[EightBit Man]

Jesus, a lot of anger and finger pointing here. Instead of thinking about us as a human family having to deal with the same problem, I see people getting at each other's throat because of backgrounds. Exactly what we need, right, infighting? We're ALL victims of this outbreak.

 

[black_13]

I have alot of respect for Chinese people and for all they have done. Alot of things would have cost more if it wasn't for the Chinese market. But unfortunately the Chinese government has gotten too powerful and with that has come a big "fuck you" attitude to anybody criticizing them. They've basically committing genocide with their muslim population and they have so much influence that even the muslim countries don't criticize them because they have strong trade agreements. Same thing with Tibet as well.
Personal hygiene is a big issue too. I've seen so many elders not covering their sneeze or coughs at the supermarkets.
Weren't the poor people making cooking oil from sewer water few years ago? At least last I heard the government started buying those up so they wouldn't be used again so I hope they implement similar program so poor people there don't eat bats and other wild animals.

This is not the time to be blaming each other and rather work together. I have no doubt after this blows over that many new policies will be adapted to stop such a spread from happening so quickly again.

 

[Papa]

There is nothing racist holding an autocratic, despicable government accountable. The same government that has been shown to be committing systemic genocide on their Muslim populace and encroaching on the civil rights of bordering territories. They have lied about numbers, been slow to share information, AND has kicked out international journalists on top of being the source of this pandemic that threatens the world.

But if you want to excuse and shield the totalitarian and awful actions (that have been documented) by banding around the racist term, you are doing no service to the Left leaning people around the world. Stop with the disgusting virtue signalling for a regime that are monsters and actively opposed to basic human rights.

The Chinese People =/= The CCP and most people condemn the CCP not the Chinese people as an ethnicity and a populace. It is a tactic of the CCP to hide itself behind the racism talking point and you can see that by looking at the tweets and articles of their state sponsored media. The Chinese people are suffering at the gross incompotence and under handed tactics of their own government along with the people of the other nations of the world.

But if you want to be intentionally dense on this issue and act like people condeming this as condemning the Chinese people as a whole... you do you. But don't think for a moment you are fighting the good fight. It's transparent as fuck and other liberals see it.

Imagine if Hitler had a racism shield to hide behind.

To any brainlets who want to cry Godwin’s law so they can get their big brain feels: they CCP harvests organs from live people. If that’s not a valid reason for a Hitler comparison, nothing is.

 

[Blade2.0]

People still trust us, china will be fine.

 

[Kenpachii]

Actually it would've been easier to do if your president listened to his advisors warning him of how deadly it was but chose to downplay it instead until it became an actual crisis. China is pretty much back to normal now and about to get back to everyday life.

And how did china cure the virus exactly? You honestly think its not spreading lik wildfire over there atm?

They magically cured it?

 

[Cunth]

lol all the Chinese astroturfers mobilised in here. Keep sucking the diseased dick

 

[Papa]

I think China's Economy may collapse after this, causing a Domino effect of the Middle Class Chinese revolting and (probably) overthrowing the Communist Party. It sounds like a dream, but sometimes big events like this can change Governments in Power quite swiftly!

They won’t, they’re too brainwashed by CCP propaganda. Winnie the Pooh has filled their god-shaped hole since birth. Them revolting would be akin to a Christian denouncing God, or a Muslim denouncing Muhammad. It simply won’t happen, and they will instead blame the West.

This is why the smoothbrains handwringing about how “we’re all in this together” are idiots who would sell us out to the enemy just for a fleeting moment of virtuous feelings. The Chinese citizens are innocent at an individual level, but they are still the constituents of the nation that has, by whatever mechanism, elevated the CCP to its position of power to represent them. This means that at the group-level, they are still responsible for the actions of the CCP, just as the Germans were held responsible for the actions of Hitler after WW2.

If they are being oppressed by the CCP and they feel that they don’t represent them, it’s their responsibility to overthrow them. That is their burden to carry, not ours, just as if Trump suddenly starts oppressing US citizens, it’s their responsibility to overthrow him. They’re lucky that their forefathers established an electoral system that makes that very easy to do, but it took blood and courage for that to happen. Make no mistake, revolution is the only way to change such systems, and right now China needs a revolution. I am just skeptical that it could ever come from within due to the aforementioned brainwashing.

Cultures are not equal. Everyone needs to get this dogshit idea out of their head. Equality applies only to immutable characteristics at the individual level. Culture is a mutable group-level characteristic. Some cultures believe in sovereignty of the individual and freedom from the state. Others believe in total authority of the state and eating fucking bats. Stop equalising them or the issue will never be addressed. In fact, all it does is hand power to the culture that doesn’t believe in the garbage equalising ideology by refusing to hold them to account.

 

[MMaRsu]

I ordered gba boxes last month and got them in a few days ago; still aint sick

 

[Papa]

Jesus, a lot of anger and finger pointing here. Instead of thinking about us as a human family having to deal with the same problem, I see people getting at each other's throat because of backgrounds. Exactly what we need, right, infighting? We're ALL victims of this outbreak.

^Absolute retardation

Don’t be like this feeble emotional creature

 

[Papa]

Also why are we westerners so angry at China now? Our whole fucking standard of living comes from them. Western corporations have taken advantage of chinese slave labor to provide us all of all the nice little things we posses. Do you think corporations care about ideologies? they don't fucking care if they are dealing with communists, fascists, capitalists, terrorists or colonialists, they care about money and influence, history has shown that. This is the wonderful world created by the invisible (which is also amoral and blind) hand of the holy market which Reagan and Thatcher so eloquently sold us back in the day.

So enjoy it because we all are part of what is happening. no one can play the victim here. We have been repeatedly warned about this for decades and while cash and nice little trinkets were coming nobody gave two shits about any injustice or immoral behavior until it takes the form of a microscopic bug and comes knocking on our door.

“we”?

You’re South American, hombre.

 

[Papa]

Actually it would've been easier to do if your president listened to his advisors warning him of how deadly it was but chose to downplay it instead until it became an actual crisis. China is pretty much back to normal now and about to get back to everyday life.

Back to normal?

lol you actually believe CCP propaganda

You absolute amoeba. Go play on the highway.

 

[DESTROYA]

lol all the Chinese astroturfers mobilised in here. Keep sucking the diseased dick

Didn’t you make a thread about how to become a astroturfer? Well here you go, become a CCP sympathizer.

 

[Papa]

Been there done that. Going back as soon as possible for even longer stay. Life in China is more free and there is basically no crime to worry about and most of the people are far more happy and pleasant in general.

Plus the infrastructure is the best and brand spanking new.

Gen Z in West raised in single parent households are absolute cunts and the millennials are mentally ill from decades of hollyweird media, and even the idea of respecting your parents, teachers and society at large is taboo. They're walking hand in hand toward a total societal collapse.

nush do the you know the thing

 

[Cunth]

Didn’t you make a thread about how to become a astroturfer? Well here you go, become a CCP sympathizer.

Fuck that. What a bunch of spastics