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Zero707
If I carry on trolling, report me.
Now do it with the real numbers 12.155TF for XSX and 10.28TF for PS5
By the way, it's funny, you do it the other way around see what happens:
So it's better to stick to simple math: 12.1 - 10.3 = 1.8TF
That's with The Tempest Engine = 12.4TF vs 12.1TF or 10.3TF vs 9.6TF
thelastword
Banned
He said he is going to show his game at 4K 120fps and lo and behold, his tier of game is some fragglerock tetris jumbaloo....
So he said.....
So that statement makes little sense especially for someone developing the game he has......There is no way loadtimes are ever faster on XSX, when the CPU on Series X is pretty much the same with much less SSD speeds and nothing in the way of all the special controllers in the Custom IO Unit....
The whole purpose of the PS5 design is to move CPU and GPU bottlenecks.....So I guess people will go on until they results for themselves in realtime…..
Bo_Hazem
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
Yes, Kraken, and 77% compression percentage
72%
The least, 61%
"We like to think the only way to get your image files smaller after optimizing them with Kraken.io is to delete them."
Directly from their official website:
kraken.io
72%
The least, 61%
"We like to think the only way to get your image files smaller after optimizing them with Kraken.io is to delete them."
Directly from their official website:
Kraken.io Image Optimizer
Kraken.io is a robust, ultra-fast image optimizer. Thanks to its vast array of optimization algorithms Kraken.io is a world ahead of other tools. Want to save bandwidth and improve your website's load times? Look no further and welcome to Kraken!
kraken.io
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
So PS5's key feature isn't SSD at 5.5g or 9 gb/s speed, but Kraken decompressing techniques. Got it.
ABnormal
Member
Thanks to the more quantity of custom chips used to offload specific calculations from cpu and gpu, I'm more or less convinced that multiplatforms will be even closer than the simple difference in GPU's TFs. But about ray tracing, being based on CUs, I think that in that regard the next XboX will definitely have around 20% advantage per frame. Can you say something about it?
The Unforeseen
Neo Member
I am definitely seeing a lot of bias towards Sony here. Now, I should point out I am no Xbox fanatic, in fact, I have had a PS4 since near launch and haven’t touched the Xbox One in all that time. I mean, quite honestly the original was a heap of junk next to the PS4, and it had almost zero exclusives that I was interested in. However, I've been watching them closely of late; they clearly put a lot of effort into the X and the S and have started to make moves to amend the first-party studio/games problem. The Series X looks to be the progression of that. I should also note that I am very pleased with the PS5 specs and it does seem to be incredibly well engineered from what we know thus far.
The thing is though, from the get-go we saw the twisting of flops and other specs. What’s that, Series X is 12.15 floppies, I will round that down to 12, 12.1 if I’m feeling generous, and what’s that PS5 is 10.28 variable, might as well say 10.3, what’s 20gflops between friends. Same with the CPU and the numbers there and everywhere else. And I know all this is pixie dust differences a lot of the time, but it so often seems to be in favour of one rather than the other, especially as the exact variability of the PS5 is still somewhat up in the air. That of course evolves into saying well the SSD is so vastly superior there’s no contest. And that looks to be true to a certain extent, but some of the comments here make it seem like Microsoft just used the regular hard drive from the Xbox One and called it a day, let alone the fact we don’t fully know how much the difference will be in real terms. I am told teraflops don’t matter now, well how much does the difference in the SSD matter? Is it really as significant as the numbers suggest … perhaps, but we need to wait and see. And this of course leads into the narrative that the Series X is just a big ol’ brute, an inelegant amalgamation of slapping this in ‘ere and sticky-tapping that on there. Like, c’mon, the X was better engineered than the Pro for the most part, perhaps when the playing field wasn’t even, granted, but it’s not like Microsoft are a bunch of clumsy-handed booboos. Oh and the sound chip is going to make the Series X perform 20 per cent worse, so it’s real teraflopiees are less …. Not that they matter or anything …
And talk here at times seems to be going back to the whole idea of well, what you xbots going to be playing anyway, Gears and Gears again? Some Forza when you’re bored? Again, i'm not saying all this to necessarily call out Sony fans in particular, we all have our biases even if we don't know it or admit it, and it would be at least as bad if the roles were reversed. I just felt compelled to say what I see, and compulsion is a dangerous thing.
To me, next gen is going to be better than the one we just had, even in relative terms. Microsoft are pushing harder, their console is at least on near-equal footing with Sony’s unlike last time, and they are making an active effort to increase and improve the output of their first-party titles. They are at war in that regard. How well they achieve this is yet to be seen, but it can only be a good thing that it’s happening. And as for Sony, they have clearly produced a very exciting console to a lot of devs and potential consumers alike, which is innovative in many ways, albeit perhaps at the expense of some raw power. But as a whole I don’t think I’ve been as excited for the future of gaming for a long while, and that is brilliant.
The thing is though, from the get-go we saw the twisting of flops and other specs. What’s that, Series X is 12.15 floppies, I will round that down to 12, 12.1 if I’m feeling generous, and what’s that PS5 is 10.28 variable, might as well say 10.3, what’s 20gflops between friends. Same with the CPU and the numbers there and everywhere else. And I know all this is pixie dust differences a lot of the time, but it so often seems to be in favour of one rather than the other, especially as the exact variability of the PS5 is still somewhat up in the air. That of course evolves into saying well the SSD is so vastly superior there’s no contest. And that looks to be true to a certain extent, but some of the comments here make it seem like Microsoft just used the regular hard drive from the Xbox One and called it a day, let alone the fact we don’t fully know how much the difference will be in real terms. I am told teraflops don’t matter now, well how much does the difference in the SSD matter? Is it really as significant as the numbers suggest … perhaps, but we need to wait and see. And this of course leads into the narrative that the Series X is just a big ol’ brute, an inelegant amalgamation of slapping this in ‘ere and sticky-tapping that on there. Like, c’mon, the X was better engineered than the Pro for the most part, perhaps when the playing field wasn’t even, granted, but it’s not like Microsoft are a bunch of clumsy-handed booboos. Oh and the sound chip is going to make the Series X perform 20 per cent worse, so it’s real teraflopiees are less …. Not that they matter or anything …
And talk here at times seems to be going back to the whole idea of well, what you xbots going to be playing anyway, Gears and Gears again? Some Forza when you’re bored? Again, i'm not saying all this to necessarily call out Sony fans in particular, we all have our biases even if we don't know it or admit it, and it would be at least as bad if the roles were reversed. I just felt compelled to say what I see, and compulsion is a dangerous thing.
To me, next gen is going to be better than the one we just had, even in relative terms. Microsoft are pushing harder, their console is at least on near-equal footing with Sony’s unlike last time, and they are making an active effort to increase and improve the output of their first-party titles. They are at war in that regard. How well they achieve this is yet to be seen, but it can only be a good thing that it’s happening. And as for Sony, they have clearly produced a very exciting console to a lot of devs and potential consumers alike, which is innovative in many ways, albeit perhaps at the expense of some raw power. But as a whole I don’t think I’ve been as excited for the future of gaming for a long while, and that is brilliant.
3liteDragon
Member
Sony PlayStation Patents "Direct Gameplay" Booting, Lets You Choose What to Load
Sony is looking to further increase the boot time to play, as new PlayStation patents reveal custom game templates that launch games directly into gameplay.
mp1st.com
B_Boss
Member
I believe this is the quote:
Given what we are constantly learning, Osiris’ quote is odd or....quick/knee jerk? (with all due respect of course!) Not sure, especially considering all of the relative insider knowledge he was exposed to (one would think that the PS5 is, at the very least, a decent console to develop for). I think it’s best to wait and see official results (and maturely debate/discuss technical facts in the interim of course!) before responding in like manner about either consoles.
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ethomaz
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So you can save a template that allow you direct go to the gameplay with the options you choose.Sony PlayStation Patents "Direct Gameplay" Booting, Lets You Choose What to Load
Sony is looking to further increase the boot time to play, as new PlayStation patents reveal custom game templates that launch games directly into gameplay.mp1st.com
That is really great.
In MP games you can set to go directly to the matchmaking with your load out already set.
CJY
Banned
Good question, absolutely massive. Check out this video:
4K beats 8K, but it's OLED vs QLED
CJY
Banned
Actually, it's 5.5GB/s vs. 2.4GB/s
PS5 SSD speed is 367% of XSX's SSD speed at max theoretical limit (22GB/s vs. 6GB/s)
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Ah come on. As if you are not able to open a controller and replace the battery.
I'm still using mine since late 2013. Yes battery lasts for around 3 hours now but you can always connect it.
thelastword
Banned
I like how you guys try to boost MS figures but always downplay Sony's figures.....Some of you are still talking about 9.2TF when official figures have been given.....In your case decompression through Kraken can go up to 22GB/s, you know SWWS will get there, like ND, GG, PD, Santa Monica...…
As for our friend over at "Dynamic Voltage Games", getting all that free marketing...."Was his intention I imagine" He said this..
Now I cant wait to see his video showing how the PS5's CPU is going to bottleneck it's SSD......Waiting with baited breath....He said it's later this week right?
saintjules
Member
Sony PlayStation Patents "Direct Gameplay" Booting, Lets You Choose What to Load
Sony is looking to further increase the boot time to play, as new PlayStation patents reveal custom game templates that launch games directly into gameplay.mp1st.com
Bit of a side note, I was wondering about the selective installs when installing a game. Most articles talk about games with multi-player components and you can opt-out on installing those during an installation. For single-player games, some (or most) don't have multi-player components in them. So I wonder if it's just a regular install time on the PS5? I guess with the SSD, things should move a lot quicker.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Few days back he was talking in a better, rational way, then seems he returned to this troll mode. Anyway, Kraken proven to compress up to 77%, the compression solution is marginally better than Xbox, adds up to its slow speeds.
Metroiddarks
Member
This is for me the same than heard someone of SIE tell me PS5 is more powerfull.
Before the launch I only will believe about this kind of predictions or analysis from third parties.
saintjules
Member
That guy's first tweet was this and just joined Twitter. ehhh
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Just spoken by someone who doesn't have a clue about anything. 16% diff is not a big deal.
I don't know why he continues to parade around as an insider. Fooled me once (PS4 Pro), shame on you. Fool me twice (PS5) shame on me.
He's utterly clueless.
CJY
Banned
All respect to you, but those are people with eye sight problems, 8K is noticeably better and sharper than 4K.
I'm really not sure at the distances they are looking at them from. Contrast is vastly better on an OLED vs. an LED as well, so that would factor into the qualitative (subjective) judgement of which looks better.
I actually haven't seen an 8K TV in person, but hand on heart, I couldn't tell the difference between God of War (2018) in resolution mode vs framerate mode on my Sony 4K LED, sitting from my couch. I took screenshots of both and looked at them on my Mac though and difference detail is vast.
My point is that I wouldn't be that surprised if a lot of normal people would think OLED 4K looks as good/better than the 8K.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Speed, it'll be laggy. And Windows.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Controllers aint cheap. 60 bucks a pop unless u find a sell. I'd rather buy 6 rechargeable batteries for like 12 bucks, swap them out and you're good for at least a yr depending on play time. And swapping takes seconds. I don't care if they've been around 100 yrs.
I'm still using mine since late 2013. You probably paid the price of 5 controllers at this point. Enjoy it, I guess.
thelastword
Banned
I know Guerilla Games is very fourthcoming with the technology and numbers in their games.....They provided lots of info on Killzone Shadow Fall and Horizon Zero Dawn......So I'm looking forward to seeing how high they hit the decompression ceiling with Kraken, I imagine it would be very close to peak.....One thing's for sure next gen will be very interesting from a Dev's perspective...….There was so much talk about years later about PS2 relative to Vector unit use and so many neat things devs did with the hardware...….PS5 looks like it will revive such longevity in console hardware discussions.....Feels good....
B_Boss
Member
Well why don’t you start with the tons of gamers who find it as one of their best played video games ever regardless of the PS4’s fan lol? So far no reports of it consistently killing the console. You’ll be fine, give it a shot.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Whatever your biased views tell you but guess what? The world knows better
CJY
Banned
And the Sony hype machine has literally not even begun.Whatever your biased views tell you but guess what? The world knows better
Bo_Hazem
Banned
I doubt that I'm kinda eagle or something, but I've noticed how insanely sharp the Samsung 8K Q900R from at least 10-15 meters away! And from a 5 meters distance, comparing it to a 4K tv as well, it's pretty obvious, not as staggering as 1080p vs 4K anyway, but still cleaner and sharper.
OLED as a picture quality is still the best, but it's fragile and its existing years are shrinking up to 2023-2024 when microLED hit the market. Plus OLED's are weaker in HDR due to capped 600-nits. Even at that some AI shit tone down the brightness to protect the pixels.
The matter was 4K vs 8K. But throwing OLED there then yes it will look better overall, but good luck if you use it for long periods. My TV is open now since 18 hours, and that's actually not rare. I would stick with LCD's myself, OLED's are too fragile for me.
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Audiophile
Gold Member
Following on from my prior post about the PS5 power system, it's always good to have different people convey things in different ways, this guy on reddit frames it pretty well:
LINK TO FULL REDDIT POST
jasonj2232 said:
LINK TO FULL REDDIT POST
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CJY
Banned
I'm worried about the longevity of OLED too. I really want one, particularly the new 48-incher that was announced for desktop use, but I'm definitely having reservations based similarly on the concerns that you've shared.
On my post: the question I was responding to originally about the importance of screen quality in achieving the best image quality. I guess I should have just answered with words... basically, the quality of display most certainly does have an affect on getting the "best game visuals", and there are other factors to take into consideration as well such as display type, TN vs IPS and screen lag which can also seriously really hamper the experience.
B_Boss
Member
Not sure if this has been posted yet. Dev talking next gen.
Wow....now take a gooood look at that dev’s excitement: doesn’t he/she seem like a dev Cerny had in mind as he spoke to many of them lol? I mean hell, that dev may as well had been one of the devs Cerny made the rounds to. They seem genuinely excited, not by GPU power but by speed, speed, speed which is exactly what the PS5 seeks to achieve because it is exactly what the developers wished to see for a nextgen Sony console.
It all adds up perfectly now. I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, if the devs said “we want at least a 11-12TF GPU” then I’m extremely confident Cerny & his team would’ve engineered such a console. What we’re seeing now seems far more elegant, complex and with (for now, theoretically) immense benefits that we’ve only begun to conceptually realize and appreciate
.With Cerny, the key step in his engineering a console is probably the first: what do you developers want in a game console this generation? Everything follows from there.
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CJY
Banned
This is really well done man. Informative, clear and concise. Thank for posting.
Edit: Just finished reading the Reddit post... HYPE!! PS5 sounds amazing. Both consoles sound amazing in their own way.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
I would buy Sony XH90 (X900H) 65", then another one with the mid-gen refreshes as at that time we'll get microLED that's superior to any TV with great longevity. They are LCD's as well. Sony is the pinnacle of color accuracy, their reference monitor that is used to calibrate all TV's from all brands has just dropped OLED and went with double layer LCD, 31" priced at around $35,000:
From all, our Sony TV's retain their quality even 10+ years later. That XH90 is full array LED so you should see improved blacks. Make up your mind but I personally will never throw big cash on OLED's.
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Maxwell House
Member
Smartshift is in RDNA2 so is in XSX as wellThis comparison is very curious. It is in full Spanish that if you are interested you can translate it with google translator. Leaving aside the capabilities that we already know about the SSD.
Basically they comment that AMD and SONY have worked very hard and hand in hand to offer optimization and performance technology in their CPU and GPU: SmartShift, which can make a difference.
¿Ganará la PS5 a la Xbox Series X? Este es el secreto de AMD y SONY
SONY tiene un arma con la que no cuenta Microsoft y llega de la mano de AMD: SmartShift, una tecnología que puede decantar la guerra de las consolas.hardzone.es
Bo_Hazem
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No. Confirmed by Xbox spec sheet. It's an APU tech as well.
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Metroiddarks
Member
Yeah should be there.
TLZ
Banned
Good. He posts a lot like a certain warrior here who's a known warrior on another warrior forum.
Bo_Hazem
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Bo_Hazem
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From what I've seen, any 4K HDR TV will give you at least 70%. Even the cheapest of the cheapest. Plugging next gen consoles to a 1080p is insulting at this point. Monitors are shit as well and tiny, only good for competitive online shooters.
CJY
Banned
Why would XSX need smartshift though if it has fixed clocks? Seems like a waste to include it.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Gold Member
I haven't seen them in this thread today (was gone from the thread for a while anyway, not really gonna search dozens of pages for that kind of stuff), but overall I do the same thing. If there's someone trying to say PS5 TF drops to sub-10 TF (without some hard data as evidence, which doesn't exist yet because we haven't seen any games running on the system yet developed for it besides teasers like Godfall), I correct them. If someone tries saying XSX has no optimization/customization to its hardware, I correct them.
I just see them all as either misinformed posters or trolling, what side they fall on doesn't really matter to me when wrong information is wrong information.
Speaking of which, I stand corrected. I think I got the replacement part from a Eurogamer article :S. So there must be some kind of mux/demux then for the internal drive and optional expandable drive to interface to the same memory controller, cool.
CJY
Banned
Thanks for the vid, will take a look. I think I might have seen it before.
All my TVs are Sony and have been for 2 decades now, but I'm not a fan of the Android TV which my 4K has and LG WebOS is really great... but I actually don't care about smart TV features at all. HAHA Tough decisions to be made for sure. Whenever microLED comes out, my decision will be made for me cos I'll definitely invest in one of those. I think you're definitely convincing me not to get an OLED. I was on the fence anyway, but reading what you're saying, I'll probably stay away. cheers!
Bo_Hazem
Banned
They're not replaceable. And you need at least 7GB/s RAW to match the internal one in performance, what's used is superior to NVME m.2 at this point. It's pretty clear:
Is there anything saying "changeable" or "replaceable"? No.
devilNprada
Member
I am more referring to a high end oled 4k vs the cheapest of the cheap 4k. Could it conceivably make as much of a visual difference as much as say a 2tf console?
Bo_Hazem
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Zero707
If I carry on trolling, report me.
yeah he made a mistake lol look at the top comment he addressing the mistakeStopped at when he said PS5 will not have SMT.
also nothing new lol it's just news i thought he have more news because this channel have great sources
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Bo_Hazem
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No, but color accuracy and clarity will differ. You should visit a TV shop and check them out up close. You can be satisfied with budget 4K HDR but the more you pay the more you get, but like 2080 vs 2080Ti which the difference is not worth double the price but if you afford it then go ahead.
ethomaz
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It is reolaceable.They're not replaceable. And you need at least 7GB/s RAW to match the internal one in performance, what's used is superior to NVME m.2 at this point. It's pretty clear:
Is there anything saying "changeable" or "replaceable"? No.
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