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[Shangounchained]

A week isolated at home has made me realise this, with all do respect i absolutely understand both sony and ms worked hard to deliver us the up coming next gen consoles but!

Yes theyve included super fast ssds and technology to efficiently deal with data to which most of the inventions like mesh shading, vrs, even the ssd was all mostly because they knew they couldnt afford enough vram in this machines,

Everybody online celebrated this new fancy techs , but they didnt see the skeletons hiding in the closet as to why both sony and microsoft are talking more about ssd speeds and poor mans tricks to work with low vram budgets.

I hate to say it but 10 teraflops 16gb doesnt cut it for me especially when were talking about a "PLAYSTATION 5." And i feel they had to cut this costs just because little johny in neogaf and twitter wants a ps5 at 399$ at the end we are all getting cheap hardware on ps5 thats going to be around with us in 7 years because of little whinny penny pincher johny.

Thats all folks dont know how u feel but the cheap buzz words about dx12,vrs, dynamic res, machine learning all sound to me like a poor mans excuse for low performance.

 

[Tranquil]

I wouldn't say for the next 7 years, they will no doubt release a PS5 pro in the middle of it's life cycle.

 

[ExpandKong]

I wouldn't say for the next 7 years, they will no doubt release a PS5 pro in the middle of it's life cycle.

Yeah but that's gonna be held back by the fact that games will still have to be playable on the base model.

 

[Shangounchained]

I wouldn't say for the next 7 years, they will no doubt release a PS5 pro in the middle of it's life cycle.

Thats also what i hate because the point of the ps4 pro was 4k so why would they make a ps5 pro if the normal ps5 should do 4k just ok

 

[Tranquil]

Yeah but that's gonna be held back by the fact that games will still have to be playable on the base model.

Depends what you mean by playable. Co-Worker of mine has a bare bones PS4 and according to him, he can barely play currently released games on it.

 

[Nickolaidas]

A week isolated at home has made me realise this, with all do respect i absolutely understand both sony and ms worked hard to deliver us the up coming next gen consoles but!

Yes theyve included super fast ssds and technology to efficiently deal with data to which most of the inventions like mesh shading, vrs, even the ssd was all mostly because they knew they couldnt afford enough vram in this machines,

Everybody online celebrated this new fancy techs , but they didnt see the skeletons hiding in the closet as to why both sony and microsoft are talking more about ssd speeds and poor mans tricks to work with low vram budgets.

I hate to say it but 10 teraflops 16gb doesnt cut it for me especially when were talking about a "PLAYSTATION 5." And i feel they had to cut this costs just because little johny in neogaf and twitter wants a ps5 at 399$ at the end we are all getting cheap hardware on ps5 thats going to be around with us in 7 years because of little whinny penny pincher johny.

Thats all folks dont know how u feel but the cheap buzz words about dx12,vrs, dynamic res, machine learning all sound to me like a poor mans excuse for low performance.

So … you wanted the PS5 to be 30TFs and cost a thousand bucks? Is that what counts to you as a generational leap?

The PS5 is like, ten times more powerful than the base PS4. I'd say that's a good leap.

 

[sublimit]

The whole marketing from both MS and Sony so far have felt really cheap and underwhelming. A bunch of twitter posts,some stupid Youtubers getting exclusive access to information and a boring GDC video conference.

It almost feels as if both MS and Sony are going to throw these consoles out there one day and hope for the best.

 

[Shangounchained]

Depends what you mean by playable. Co-Worker of mine has a bare bones PS4 and according to him, he can barely play currently released games on it.

The only thing the ps4 pro offers is higher resolution and sometimes frame rates but the game is still the same code the same assets as base ps4. The whole point of a ps4 pro is 4k and it barely even achieves that most games are 1440p.

 

[Shangounchained]

So … you wanted the PS5 to be 30TFs and cost a thousand bucks? Is that what counts to you as a generational leap?

The PS5 is like, ten times more powerful than the base PS4. I'd say that's a good leap.

Nobody said 30 teraflops, i wanted reasonable specs for a next gen console series x 12 is quite reasonable 12-14tf + 24-32gb of vram is very reasonable and acceptable for ps5 not 16gb 10tf and buzzwords + chit chats about procedural data tricks.

 

[Shangounchained]

The whole marketing from both MS and Sony so far have felt really cheap and underwhelming. A bunch of twitter posts,some stupid Youtubers getting exclusive access to information and a boring GDC video conference.

It almost feels as if both MS and Sony are going to throw these consoles out there one day and hope for the best.

Exactly, this is the cheapest console transition and most people are seeing the big picture, ms and sony are both showboating around about ssd speeds and api tricks. Its all because they know the hardware is cheap and they cant do anything about it.

 

[nowhat]

Nobody said 30 teraflops, i wanted reasonable specs for a next gen console series x 12 is quite reasonable 12-14tf + 24-32gb of vram is very reasonable and acceptable for ps5 not 16gb 10tf and buzzwords + chit chats about procedural data tricks.

And how much you suppose such a system would cost, and would you really be willing and/or able to pay it? Weren't you the guy who wanted ads in games if they'd be cheaper?

 

[Nickolaidas]

Nobody said 30 teraflops, i wanted reasonable specs for a next gen console series x 12 is quite reasonable 12-14tf + 24-32gb of vram is very reasonable and acceptable for ps5 not 16gb 10tf and buzzwords + chit chats about procedural data tricks.

Dude, just wait and see the games before you judge on whether it's a generational leap or not. You might be pleasantly surprised.

 

[Shangounchained]

And how much you suppose such a system would cost, and would you really be willing and/or able to pay it? Weren't you the guy who wanted ads in games if they'd be cheaper?

Exactly the problem in the first place, "cost" i dont mind paying 600-700$ aslong as i get myself a mext gen machine powerful enough to give me next gen experiences for the next 7 years and not spend 399$ to get a cheap excuse of a ps5

 

[nowhat]

Exactly the problem in the first place, "cost" i dont mind paying 600-700$ aslong as i get myself a mext gen machine powerful enough to give me next gen experiences for the next 7 years and not spend 399$ to get a cheap excuse of a ps5

But are unwilling to pay $60 for a game? Sorry, but you just tripped my BS alarm.

 

[Shangounchained]

Dude, just wait and see the games before you judge on whether it's a generational leap or not. You might be pleasantly surprised.

The games will always look phenomenal at the start, games already look phenomenal on the ps4, but i need cgi experiences, u just wait a year in next gen then the experience will dull, 16gb is the real culprit here especially wheb every game will be 4k.

 

[SlimySnake]

A week isolated at home has made me realise this, with all do respect i absolutely understand both sony and ms worked hard to deliver us the up coming next gen consoles but!

Yes theyve included super fast ssds and technology to efficiently deal with data to which most of the inventions like mesh shading, vrs, even the ssd was all mostly because they knew they couldnt afford enough vram in this machines,

Everybody online celebrated this new fancy techs , but they didnt see the skeletons hiding in the closet as to why both sony and microsoft are talking more about ssd speeds and poor mans tricks to work with low vram budgets.

I hate to say it but 10 teraflops 16gb doesnt cut it for me especially when were talking about a "PLAYSTATION 5." And i feel they had to cut this costs just because little johny in neogaf and twitter wants a ps5 at 399$ at the end we are all getting cheap hardware on ps5 thats going to be around with us in 7 years because of little whinny penny pincher johny.

Thats all folks dont know how u feel but the cheap buzz words about dx12,vrs, dynamic res, machine learning all sound to me like a poor mans excuse for low performance.

last gen was even cheaper. at least this gen we are getting a decent cpu and ssd jump to go along with a somewhat disappointing gpu jump.

but yes, you would've expected sony to go all in after the gen they had. take a big loss instead of penny pinching trying to save $20-30 on a bigger chip. and around the same amount on slow as fuck ram, with just a 2x ram increase.

they seem to want to sell to casuals like you said. no one cares about hardcore gamers, we are just pawns in their chess game. we go in and buy the console on day 1, and beta test it for the masses. the cod casuals. the soccer moms. the madden bros, and the fifa cunts over in europe.

at the end of the day, its shortsightedness and they will just make us a buy a midgen refresh after 3 years. that will be just as cheap and weak as the ps4 pro btw.

thankfully MS seems to understand this and 12 tflops with vrs should be pretty decent. the ps5 will get outdated faster than the xbox one though. just vote with your wallet and tell sony to shove that weak pos console up their ass.

 

[Shangounchained]

But are unwilling to pay $60 for a game? Sorry, but you just tripped my BS alarm.

Its 2 different things here a console and a game!

 

[Shin]

because they knew they couldnt afford enough vram

They = casuals wanting things free or as cheap as possible, that's not an issue created by either platform holder.

 

[The_Mike]

Yeah but that's gonna be held back by the fact that games will still have to be playable on the base model.

No it won't. The ps5 base model will just look and run like dog shit. This is a misinformed statement.

While the pc is also being hold back by consoles, which makes the leap minor, there's still a huge difference between a pc and a console game.

 

[BattleScar]

Nobody said 30 teraflops, i wanted reasonable specs for a next gen console series x 12 is quite reasonable 12-14tf + 24-32gb of vram is very reasonable and acceptable for ps5 not 16gb 10tf and buzzwords + chit chats about procedural data tricks.

What you want is unrealistic. Even though Microsoft have a 12TF GPU, they couldn't afford 24-32GB of RAM. The climate for DRAM is just not conducive towards that. At least for now, its quite simply too expensive.

The other issue is that the world is much bigger than you.
Both Sony and Microsoft intend to reach markets who simply lack the disposible income to drop $600-700 on a home console.
Hitting that $399-499 sweet spot for both manufacturers basically opens up the whole world, including many emerging markets who also want to be able to play and enjoy the latest games.

And I don't know if you've been paying attention to the computer hardware market, but generational performance leaps have become smaller and smaller, without having to incur tremendous cost.
You want a GPU that's a paltry 30-40% faster than a 1080Ti, then I'm afraid you're gonna have to drop $1100.
But if you go back to the Radeon 9700 Pro which was twice as fast as the previous generation flagship GPUs. Then the GeForce 8800GT, which was also nearly twice as fast as the previous flagships.
That shit just does not happen any more, because semiconductors are hitting a wall. A wall that cannot be broken without having to sink a shit load into R&D into new architecture paradigms or packaging technologies or interconnects - which is of course expensive.
That's fine if you're selling a halo GPU or CPU at north of $1000 a pop. But for a commodity product designed for anyone and everyone like a console....? Nope. It just doesn't fly.

And don't talk about smartphones and their stupid prices. Smartphone sales have slowed due to prices being jacked up, and their being comparatively few reasons to upgrade of previous generations (should be a familiar theme). And the fast majority of the world outside of the US and western Europe just don't buy the latest iPhone or Samsung flagship. They settle for midrange/high value chinese smartphones instead, cause that's all they can afford.

Its not so much that this generation is "cheaper" as you put it, but rather that its become more expensive to achieve a performance jump as large as previous generations.

 

[Shangounchained]

last gen was even cheaper. at least this gen we are getting a decent cpu and ssd jump to go along with a somewhat disappointing gpu jump.

but yes, you would've expected sony to go all in after the gen they had. take a big loss instead of penny pinching trying to save $20-30 on a bigger chip. and around the same amount on slow as fuck ram, with just a 2x ram increase.

they seem to want to sell to casuals like you said. no one cares about hardcore gamers, we are just pawns in their chess game. we go in and buy the console on day 1, and beta test it for the masses. the cod casuals. the soccer moms. the madden bros, and the fifa cunts over in europe.

at the end of the day, its shortsightedness and they will just make us a buy a midgen refresh after 3 years. that will be just as cheap and weak as the ps4 pro btw.

thankfully MS seems to understand this and 12 tflops with vrs should be pretty decent. the ps5 will get outdated faster than the xbox one though. just vote with your wallet and tell sony to shove that weak pos console up their ass.

Fifa, fortinite, cod gamers wont even care its people who play every other proper games who will care, last gen consoles werent underpowered they both had 8gb of ram which is as expected 7 years ago it was a true next gen transition but now 16gb isnt enough its just not enough, vrs and such tricks arent going to save the low memory.

They said the same stuff last time around dx12 was in the xbox one and they introduced virtual tecturing and so forth but it never helped.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

Good luck building a PC with the same specs under $500.

 

[-Troid-]

Nah I think 360/PS3 to X1/PS4 was cheaper. It was touted as a 1080p/60fps generation but games that fit that criteria are the exception rather than the norm. MS and Nintendo fucked up big time early on and Sony got to rest on their laurels. Next gen is a big boost in power and should be more competitive.

 

[Shangounchained]

What you want is unrealistic. Even though Microsoft have a 12TF GPU, they couldn't afford 24-32GB of RAM. The climate for DRAM is just not conducive towards that. At least for now, its quite simply too expensive.

The other issue is that the world is much bigger than you.
Both Sony and Microsoft intend to reach markets who simply lack the disposible income to drop $600-700 on a home console.
Hitting that $399-499 sweet spot for both manufacturers basically opens up the whole world, including many emerging markets who also want to be able to play and enjoy the latest games.

And I don't know if you've been paying attention to the computer hardware market, but generational performance leaps have become smaller and smaller, without having to incur tremendous cost.
You want a GPU that's a paltry 30-40% faster than a 1080Ti, then I'm afraid you're gonna have to drop $1100.
But if you go back to the Radeon 9700 Pro which was twice as fast as the previous generation flagship GPUs. Then the GeForce 8800GT, which was also nearly twice as fast as the previous flagships.
That shit just does not happen any more, because semiconductors are hitting a wall. A wall that cannot be broken without having to sink a shit load into R&D into new architecture paradigms or packaging technologies or interconnects - which is of course expensive.
That's fine if you're selling a halo GPU or CPU at north of $1000 a pop. But for a commodity product designed for anyone and everyone like a console....? Nope. It just doesn't fly.

And don't talk about smartphones and their stupid prices. Smartphone sales have slowed due to prices being jacked up, and their being comparatively few reasons to upgrade of previous generations (should be a familiar theme). And the fast majority of the world outside of the US and western Europe just don't buy the latest iPhone or Samsung flagship. They settle for midrange/high value chinese smartphones instead, cause that's all they can afford.

Its not so much that this generation is "cheaper" as you put it, but rather that its become more expensive to achieve a performance jump as large as previous generations.

I dont believe that people cant afford 700$ consoles same people buy millions of 1000$ phones every year even in my home country in africa, they can anybody whos able to raise enough 399$ can syrely raise 599-699

 

[ExpandKong]

No it won't. The ps5 base model will just look and run like dog shit. This is a misinformed statement.

While the pc is also being hold back by consoles, which makes the leap minor, there's still a huge difference between a pc and a console game.

If you’re the kinda person who counts pixels for fun, yeah sure I guess. The games will still be the same. That’s what I’m talking about.

 

[SlimySnake]

Fifa, fortinite, cod gamers wont even care its people who play every other proper games who will care, last gen consoles werent underpowered they both had 8gb of ram which is as expected 7 years ago it was a true next gen transition but now 16gb isnt enough its just not enough, vrs and such tricks arent going to save the low memory.

They said the same stuff last time around dx12 was in the xbox one and they introduced virtual tecturing and so forth but it never helped.

i am not concerned about the low amount of memory. the ssds are so fast they will fill up that shit really fast. 14 gb of data on screen at once is like 1/3rd of a 50 gb current gen game. if next gen games are 100 gb, 14 gb is plenty of assets to show on screen at once.

the concern i have is the ram bandwidth on the ps5. 448 gbps is going to become a bottleneck fast with ray tracing and high cpu utilization.

 

[Shmunter]

Do what a billion Indians in Mumbai do. Get a Sega Genesis.

 

[Shangounchained]

Good luck building a PC with the same specs under $500.

Its irrelevant, everybody knows you cant replicate consoles to pcs and i have no problem spending 700$ i have a problem of the console not being a leap enough in quality for a ps5

 

[BattleScar]

I dont believe that people cant afford 700$ consoles same people buy millions of 1000$ phones every year even in my home country in africa, they can anybody whos able to raise enough 399$ can syrely raise 599-699

I already addressed the smartphone strawman, if you cared enough to read that.

Besides a smartphone is often some people's only means of accessing the internet or communicating. Its therefore considered an essential these days. Consequently people can rationalise spending more on one. A PS5 or Xbox is just an entertainment device. Its not necessary. The appetite to spend a lot of your disposable income on what is largely an unnecessary frivolity, is much lower than for necessities to people with limited income.

But if you've got such a huge amount of money burning a hole in your wallet, then by all means go spend that on a PC to get bleeding edge performance.

 

[ThatGamingDude]

A week isolated at home has made me realise this, with all do respect i absolutely understand both sony and ms worked hard to deliver us the up coming next gen consoles but!

Yes theyve included super fast ssds and technology to efficiently deal with data to which most of the inventions like mesh shading, vrs, even the ssd was all mostly because they knew they couldnt afford enough vram in this machines,

Everybody online celebrated this new fancy techs , but they didnt see the skeletons hiding in the closet as to why both sony and microsoft are talking more about ssd speeds and poor mans tricks to work with low vram budgets.

I hate to say it but 10 teraflops 16gb doesnt cut it for me especially when were talking about a "PLAYSTATION 5." And i feel they had to cut this costs just because little johny in neogaf and twitter wants a ps5 at 399$ at the end we are all getting cheap hardware on ps5 thats going to be around with us in 7 years because of little whinny penny pincher johny.

Thats all folks dont know how u feel but the cheap buzz words about dx12,vrs, dynamic res, machine learning all sound to me like a poor mans excuse for low performance.

Well, what technology would you suggest that hasn't been implemented that should be, or should be created a long side their product as a feature?

No sarcasm intended, purely curious on what you would be looking for in a hardware spec announcement

 

[Shangounchained]

i am not concerned about the low amount of memory. the ssds are so fast they will fill up that shit really fast. 14 gb of data on screen at once is like 1/3rd of a 50 gb current gen game. if next gen games are 100 gb, 14 gb is plenty of assets to show on screen at once.

the concern i have is the ram bandwidth on the ps5. 448 gbps is going to become a bottleneck fast with ray tracing and high cpu utilization.

Low bandwidth means low fps but series x will have more asset popins, anyhow yes the series x already is said to use 10gb for the gpu that means 10gb assets per frame sounds alot but remember its 4k so not all 10gb will go to assets theres raytracing and all other bells and whistles, even cerny sounded miserable when talking about 16gb

 

[ThatGamingDude]

I dont believe that people cant afford 700$ consoles same people buy millions of 1000$ phones every year even in my home country in africa, they can anybody whos able to raise enough 399$ can syrely raise 599-699

Ahhhhhh
This is something I really hate that phone makers do
A lot of those people don't actually buy the phone out right; a lot of times they do the "Pay to own," thing

Problem is, by the time they'd pay off said phone, the next phone comes out, and they do it again
It's a way to have people pay more for their service

This scam payment plan system isn't available with consoles

 

[sonomamashine]

And i feel they had to cut this costs just because little johny in neogaf

because of little whinny penny pincher johny.

 

[Shangounchained]

I already addressed the smartphone strawman, if you cared enough to read that.

Besides a smartphone is often some people's only means of accessing the internet or communicating. Its therefore considered an essential these days. Consequently people can rationalise spending more on one. A PS5 or Xbox is just an entertainment device. Its not necessary. The appetite to spend a lot of your disposable income on what is largely an unnecessary frivolity, is much lower than for necessities to people with limited income.

But if you've got such a huge amount of money burning a hole in your wallet, then by all means go spend that on a PC to get bleeding edge performance.

A Phone is essential but people buy a new iphone every year this isnt essential people buy shoes for 400$ since when is this essential and a console to which we all love and admire and will be with us provide fun for friends and family for years should cost 399$ ive had a 70$ used phone for a year this is essential not buying 1500$ iphone just to use snapchat and pornhub and call it essential.

 

[Caio]

Exactly the problem in the first place, "cost" i dont mind paying 600-700$ aslong as i get myself a mext gen machine powerful enough to give me next gen experiences for the next 7 years and not spend 399$ to get a cheap excuse of a ps5

You don't mind to spend $700 for a PS5, but most of casual and harcore/casual would never spend such an amount of money, so basicly PS5 would fail and disappear from the market. Better to have a 10TF RDNA2? GPU, a very good CPU and an amazing SSD at $449, and a PRO with 15TF in late 2023.
You will have a generational leap, don't worry

 

[Shangounchained]

Ahhhhhh
This is something I really hate that phone makers do
A lot of those people don't actually buy the phone out right; a lot of times they do the "Pay to own," thing

Problem is, by the time they'd pay off said phone, the next phone comes out, and they do it again
It's a way to have people pay more for their service

This scam payment plan system isn't available with consoles

The new xbox is already having it to prior owners of xbox consoles.

 

[Shangounchained]

You don't mind to spend $700 for a PS5, but most of casual and harcore/casual would never spend such an amount of money, so basicly PS5 would fail and disappear from the market. Better to have a 10TF RDNA2? GPU, a very good CPU and an amazing SSD at $449, and a PRO with 15TF in late 2023.
You will have a generational leap, don't worry

The pro doesnt make sense for a ps5 the only reason we had pro consoles this gen was for 4k tvs, its the same code the same games only in 4k and high fps, most all the games on a ps5 will already be 4k 60, theres no point for a pro version ps5 and series x can already out put 4k-8k 120fps.

And by 2023 15tf will be old school youll be diacussing about 20tf as minimum by then

 

[BattleScar]

A Phone is essential but people buy a new iphone every year this isnt essential people buy shoes for 400$ since when is this essential and a console to which we all love and admire and will be with us provide fun for friends and family for years should cost 399$ ive had a 70$ used phone for a year this is essential not buying 1500$ iphone just to use snapchat and pornhub and call it essential.

I'm sure some people upgrade to the latest iPhone every year. But most people do not.

If Sony and Microsoft charge $700 for their next generation consoles, they would immediately cut their market size in half, and have no extra margin to show for it. Sony tried a $600 PS3 way back in 2006, and they got punished heavily for it. Both because they were taking a $300 loss on each one sold and the fact that they struggled - and I mean really struggled, to get their sales to take off in the face of much cheaper competition.
Sure the PS3 eventually reached a high level of success, but it took Sony literally removing hardware features and cutting costs to bring it down to a much more attractive price.

 

[DaleinCalgary]

I think many here have lost exactly what a game console is. A cheap, easy to use box that plays games.

ps...The Ps4 pro and Xbox one X plays games just fine currently.

 

[Shangounchained]

Well, what technology would you suggest that hasn't been implemented that should be, or should be created a long side their product as a feature?

No sarcasm intended, purely curious on what you would be looking for in a hardware spec announcement

The biggest problem here is the 16gb vram its a poor mans excuse for memory its the reason they are all chatting about all this other inventions theyve devised just to efficiently deal with this small pool.

 

[Shangounchained]

I'm sure some people upgrade to the latest iPhone every year. But most people do not.

If Sony and Microsoft charge $700 for their next generation consoles, they would immediately cut their market size in half, and have no extra margin to show for it. Sony tried a $600 PS3 way back in 2006, and they got punished heavily for it. Both because they were taking a $300 loss on each one sold and the fact that they struggled - and I mean really struggled, to get their sales to take off in the face of much cheaper competition.
Sure the PS3 eventually reached a high level of success, but it took Sony literally removing hardware features and cutting costs to bring it down to a much more attractive price.

The ps3 didnt fail because it was 600$ it failed because it was hard to design games for and earlier games looked worse compared to the 360, it didnt have enough games when it came out compared to the 360, and it came late than the 360 it wasnt just price.

Its the same thing that happened this gen the xbox one was beaten left right and center compared to ps4 in performance and graphics the xbox one has a rubbish library of games aswell its not just the price story.

 

[REDRZA MWS]

16gb

Fifa, fortinite, cod gamers wont even care its people who play every other proper games who will care, last gen consoles werent underpowered they both had 8gb of ram which is as expected 7 years ago it was a true next gen transition but now 16gb isnt enough its just not enough, vrs and such tricks arent going to save the low memory.

They said the same stuff last time around dx12 was in the xbox one and they introduced virtual tecturing and so forth but it never helped.

16Gb for a home console mostly dedicated to games and not a full PC OS such as Windows 10 is perfectly fine. The CPU (Zen2) is a massive leap over the 8 Jaguar netbook cores that were in the PS4/xb1. When you add the cpu/gpu 7nm process, the SSD etc, this is most definitely a nice jump. I for one am happy and optimistic about both new consoles.

 

[ThatGamingDude]

The biggest problem here is the 16gb vram its a poor mans excuse for memory its the reason they are all chatting about all this other inventions theyve devised just to efficiently deal with this small pool.

Ah, so just the over all specs

Since you've pointed out you're willing to support a $700 price tag, I'll bring the other part of the equation to this
Software development

You have to still create assets and create programming to use that amount of hardware
Sure, having more RAM can make things easier, but scale some of these specs too high and the development costs starts to outweigh the benefit of the hardware

Sure, pay $700 for a console, but it would increase the cost of games, too
This is why the industry self regulates pricing

tldr; there's no reason to create software that utilizes more resources when you can do it in less. You only increase costs over all by artificially increasing resource usage.

EDIT: Added the underlined word for clarity

 

[Shangounchained]

I think many here have lost exactly what a game console is. A cheap, easy to use box that plays games.

ps...The Ps4 pro and Xbox one X plays games just fine currently.

Cheap isnt the story consoles are reasonably priced computers designed to play games at the utmost level, this has always been the idea and its why the whole world wants to know what the next gen console is capable of same way the world wants to see steve jobs show the new iphone or tesla show the new car.

Not cheap try finding a 12tf gpu with 16gb vram on ur pc and tell me how cheap your finding it

 

[Fulcizombie]

The XSX is the most impressive console since the original Xbox. The jury is still out for the ps5.

 

[Shangounchained]

16gb



16Gb for a home console mostly dedicated to games and not a full PC OS such as Windows 10 is perfectly fine. The CPU (Zen2) is a massive leap over the 8 Jaguar netbook cores that were in the PS4/xb1. When you add the cpu/gpu 7nm process, the SSD etc, this is most definitely a nice jump. I for one am happy and optimistic about both new consoles.

It isnt fine, the reason people think its fine is because they are comparing it to current graphics, next gen shouldnt look like anything current, next gen isnt about tomb raider at 4k ultra nope it isnt its about revolutionary fresh looking games and its more vram that is responsible for that its about more data per frame not resolutions, frame rates its detail. I cant see how 16gb is enough on the series x only 10gb is usable for games this is fucked already.

 

[REDRZA MWS]

It isnt fine, the reason people think its fine is because they are comparing it to current graphics, next gen shouldnt look like anything current, next gen isnt about tomb raider at 4k ultra nope it isnt its about revolutionary fresh looking games and its more vram that is responsible for that its about more data per frame not resolutions, frame rates its detail. I cant see how 16gb is enough on the series x only 10gb is usable for games this is fucked already.

And you’ve seen games designed to take advantage of these consoles full power? Considering not only the RAM but the cpu/gpu, ssd, and new API?

 

[Shangounchained]

Ah, so just the over all specs

Since you've pointed out you're willing to support a $700 price tag, I'll bring the other part of the equation to this
Software development

You have to still create assets and create programming to use that amount of hardware
Sure, having more RAM can make things easier, but scale some of these specs too high and the development costs starts to outweigh the benefit of the hardware

Sure, pay $700 for a console, but it would increase the cost of games, too
This is why the industry self regulates pricing

tldr; there's no reason to create software that utilizes more resources when you can do it in less. You only increase costs over all by artificially increasing resource usage.

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That is absolutely not true most assets nowadays are expensive already id say even more expensive cause you have to design in zbrush then make lods for each assets then start programming how youll load them into memory its alot of hastle amd wastage of money that goes to work with low memory more time than to work with more memory ask any developer and hell tell you more ram is needed, its the reason theyve put super fast ssds in the first place,

Games take years and money to be finalised because developers are still working around how to fit stuff in memory they go into iterations and iteration and iterations just for that your absolutely wrong here.

 

[DaleinCalgary]

The XSX is the most impressive console since the original Xbox. The jury is still out for the ps5.

True, but at what price. We could be full recession/depression by November.

 

[Shangounchained]

And you’ve seen games designed to take advantage of these consoles full power? Considering not only the RAM but the cpu/gpu, ssd, and new API?

The games will look phenomenal weve seen hellblade and unity the heretic which was using even simpler specs but we havent seen official games and honestly in a year down the line the games wont look that fresh