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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check

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008

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I'm not sure. But watching that, it wouldn't surprise me. I LOVE his hype man to his left there. Rev. Al Bundy would of been proud!

Lol I believe he was. and was ordered to shut down selling the holy water coronavirus cure.

I remember because as you say, that hype man to the left brings the ENERGY!!!
 

cryptoadam

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Maybe trend wasn't the right word but I'm referring to the cases pretty much everywhere that is not Quebec. The cases are just rising and falling completely at random. Quebec's numbers seem to make a lot more sense than BC/Alberta/Ontario. You are probably right about backlogged cases though, that might be a good explanation.

A few things about QC. We changed our testing, we were waiting for things to go to the main lab but not anymore thats why we had a huge jump a few days ago. Other provinces might not be doing the same. We also count everyone in a household with an infected if they have symptoms but aren't tested. So your wife test positive, welp the husband and 2 kids are counted so thats 4 positives instead of 1.

Canada is also a big country with a relativly small population. We have some big city centers, but the rest of the country is spread out. And really outside of MTL, TOR, and VAN,CAL most Canadian cities are pretty small. So far though we have done 200K + tests and we are a country of about 30 or so million, about 150K less test than SK which has over 50 million population. So we have done a lot of test and Quebec has done the most of any province.

But our numbers are going up rapidly especially in QC. Doubling every 5 days, and I live in the epicenter of it all the most infected city in Canada. Ya for me. Italy v2 here we come.
 

Fun Fanboy

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This nutjob always brightens my day. Happy to see him pop up related to corona lately. Here's another:


No way! This guy... I'm sorry, I love it! I don't believe any of it... but I LOVE IT! Like seeing that Benny Hinn guy or whoever blow on people and they start falling and shaking.
 

DeepEnigma

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Dr.Guru of Peru

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Maybe trend wasn't the right word but I'm referring to the cases pretty much everywhere that is not Quebec. The cases are just rising and falling completely at random. Quebec's numbers seem to make a lot more sense than BC/Alberta/Ontario. You are probably right about backlogged cases though, that might be a good explanation.

Its called statistical noise. If you scrutinize any data set, you will see it. Its irrelevant. There are always going to be day to day fluctuations for a variety of reasons - backlog of cases being cleared, less people processing tests on weekends, less tests being performed on weekends which depending on turn around time might result in less positive cases on a weekday, and pure random chance. There's a reason we use lines of best fits and not rely solely on data points.
 
This would be bad.


On top of the overwhelming shortages of medical equipment required to combat Covid-19, there are now signs that medicines needed for patients who are placed on ventilators are also in short supply.

The medicines include more than a dozen sedatives, anesthetics, painkillers, and muscle relaxants, and the shortages raise the possibility that it could become more difficult for health care providers to place these patients on ventilators. This is because the drugs are used to help manage patient pain and comfort levels so they can benefit from mechanical ventilation.
 
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Tucker is right. The Government was lying to us about masks because of the mask shortage.


Tucker has been surprisingly good with his Coronavirus coverage. He was one of the only people taking it seriously even back in January.

Still, I don't think he's right that people wouldn't have done panic runs on masks and exacerbated the problem with masks shortages for medical staff if it had been broadcasted widely that they can be effective in preventing spread of Coronavirus.

Also, of course they are more effective in a controlled hospital setting in combination with other protective gear and safety measures. It's unlikely that a mask alone is going to prevent you from catching illness if you go out into densely populated areas in which people are talking (= spittle flying into the air and onto things), especially if you aren't taking extreme care when removing your mask and disposing of it.
 

Malakhov

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People from all over Canada go on Spring break, the numbers in Ontario and the West Coast don't line up with what the rest of the world has been reporting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Canada#Data

Every other major country has shown their numbers increase daily yet in places like Ontario we went 59, 48, 78, 85, 100, 170, 135, 151 over the course of a single week. It's only been over the past few days the numbers look real. Given with what has been said about how they aren't testing everyone (only if you are showing severe symptoms or if you are at risk) I think we're under reporting what's going on here. Maybe there is an explanation but when it doesn't line up with the rest of the world it really looks suspicious.
Except Quebec were the only one to have spring break. Other provinces like Ontario it was mid March.

Sorry, however you want to spin this, spring break is responsible for what is happening in Quebec. It's actually the reason schools were closed so early here because they needed to quarantine people for 2 weeks and so many teachers and kids were outside the country during the break

The majority goes to Cuba and Cuba is either filled with Quebecers or Italians so it didn't help

After that you had snowbirds coming back from Florida and having to drive through New York of all places to come back. They even had to threaten them with jail time because they would still stop and shop and visit families instead of going into quarantine when they came back
 
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cryptoadam

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So I saw a chinese study that basically said symptomatic people are more contagious then asymptomatic. From memory it was 6% to 4% basically. So about 50% bigger chance to get infected from someone with symptoms.

Trying to find a link but for now can't.
 
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JORMBO

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Daily task force briefing coming up

Also .... CDC weighs making all Americans wear facemasks. Where are we buying these from? There are none.

Surgeon General even today was saying there's no evidence of any benefit to wearing a mask. If there is no benefit why do medical staff need them? Obviously having a mask will help keep germs out. Does he think we are stupid?
 
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008

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So gaf.
Tell me your daily routine .
How do you keep yourself and your home virus free.
You take you vitamins you wipe your door knobs wash your clothes?
Lets learn from eachother.

i have 3 bottles of hand sanitizer scatter throughout my house and sunroom.
change clothes multiple times a day(goes straight in the washing, fills up I wash)
I’ve been skipping fast food and takeout. Last thing I want to do is get fat throughout all this.
Vitamins, vitamin C, and will lower my alcohol consumption
Unless I have a good reason, I’m not going out.
started to clean for knobs, car handle, and gate handles.
I let the mail sit in the mailbox for days, then finally grab and wash my hands

some of the things i am doing
 

Malakhov

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Daily task force briefing coming up

Also .... CDC weighs making all Americans wear facemasks. Where are we buying these from? There are none.

Surgeon General even today was saying there's no evidence of any benefit to wearing a mask. If there is no benefit why do medical staff need them? Obviously having a mask will help keep germs out. Does he think we are stupid?
There is a benefit in wearing masks, that's total b.s. They just want you to think otherwise because there's a shortage.

Wearing a mask and washing your hands often would be the best solution for all of this
 

cryptoadam

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Here is the time stamp about catching the infected. Chinese study so 60% chance its defective. :messenger_squinting_tongue:

So does this mean that out of 100 people in room symptomatic person would infect 6.3, while a asymptomatic person would infect 4.1 ? Put 1 person in an office building with 1000's of people and then think how many can get infected.

Also China closing down theaters and other things. Them not beating the virus is disheartning even if the CCP is scum. I feel sorry for the people and it also doesn't provide much hope. Well there is at least Taiwan and South Korea.
 
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Daily task force briefing coming up

Also .... CDC weighs making all Americans wear facemasks. Where are we buying these from? There are none.

Surgeon General even today was saying there's no evidence of any benefit to wearing a mask. If there is no benefit why do medical staff need them? Obviously having a mask will help keep germs out. Does he think we are stupid?

Masks (the typical cheap surgeon ones) are more effective at keeping the germs in, rather than out. It's extremely important that people who have symptoms wear them to prevent spread. With Coronavirus, since it's dormant for so long and extremely contagious, it would likely have helped tremendously if everyone wore masks.

Again, I don't think it has a ton of effect in terms of preventing germs from coming in, but it's obviously effective at blocking spittle from speech/coughs/sneezes, etc. from spraying into a person's surroundings and contaminating others.
 
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ManaByte

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Daily task force briefing coming up

Also .... CDC weighs making all Americans wear facemasks. Where are we buying these from? There are none.

Surgeon General even today was saying there's no evidence of any benefit to wearing a mask. If there is no benefit why do medical staff need them? Obviously having a mask will help keep germs out. Does he think we are stupid?

The thing about CDC weighing requiring masks is apparently fake news being spread on social media. They and the Surgeon General denied it.
 

Malakhov

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All this proves is once again that authorities like to feed u.s bullshit.

Chloroquine isn't effective! Yet in France only one died on almost 2000 patients while being treated with it.

Masks don't work! Right, right.

Best way is to use common sense in these crisis and not take all the information they force feed you as the absolute truth
 

cryptoadam

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This whole mask thing is suspect. Like we don't need military grade masks, the virus isn't airborne. We just need mask to stop us from expelling droplets. How hard is it to make these things? We make probably trillions of tons of clothes and Cell phone cases FFS.

I get this is a pandemic, a war , and in war you can be short on supplies. But its kinda insane that everywhere is short on masks, but yet somehow everyone has masks to donate either months ago or with China now.

I would wear a mask, only problem is there is no where to buy them. And I don't want to take a chance on Amazon with their scummy sellers.
 

cryptoadam

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All this proves is once again that authorities like to feed u.s bullshit.

Chloroquine isn't effective! Yet in France only one died on almost 2000 patients while being treated with it.

Masks don't work! Right, right.

Best way is to use common sense in these crisis and not take all the information they force feed you as the absolute truth

You have a link to a story about that?
 

Dr.Guru of Peru

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Masks (the typical cheap surgeon ones) are more effective at keeping the germs in, rather than out. It's extremely important that people who have symptoms wear them to prevent spread. With Coronavirus, since it's dormant for so long and extremely contagious, it would likely have helped tremendously if everyone wore masks.

Again, I don't think it has a ton of effect in terms of preventing germs from coming in, but it's obviously effective at blocking spittle from speech/coughs/sneezes, etc. from spraying into a person's surroundings and contaminating others.

Its effective on a population based level if everyone wore them correctly (they dont). It provides some protection from others, and provides a lot of protection for others if you're sick. If everyone wore one properly, we'd have a lot less cases. The problem is a lot of people don't wear them properly. I see people all the time with a mask just lying on their chin, exposing their nose and face. There's no point if thats how you're going to wear it.
 
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Alebrije

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If you stay in home do not need a mask , if you need to go out for groceries 6 ft protocol and take a bottle.with soap solution to keep hands clean. Once on home leave shoes outside take off al cloth and put in inside a bag. Take a shower. Wash the clothes as always but of you can get vinager include a cup.
 
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Damn at that graph (White House task force press conference)... NY and NJ got it bad. I was fearful being in WA, but it's nice to see the measures seem to have been fairly effective thus far.
 

Wwg1wga

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Daily task force briefing coming up

Also .... CDC weighs making all Americans wear facemasks. Where are we buying these from? There are none.

Surgeon General even today was saying there's no evidence of any benefit to wearing a mask. If there is no benefit why do medical staff need them? Obviously having a mask will help keep germs out. Does he think we are stupid?







2019-nCoV transmission through the ocular surface must not be ignored
On Jan 22, Guangfa Wang, a member of the national expert panel on pneumonia, reported that he was infected by 2019-nCoV during the inspection in Wuhan. He wore an N95 mask but did not wear anything to protect his eyes. Several days before the onset of pneumonia, Wang complained of redness of the eyes. Unprotected exposure of the eyes to 2019-nCoV in the Wuhan Fever Clinic might have allowed the virus to infect the body.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30313-5/fulltext
 
Italy detail update for 3/31:

3/30 data.. 10,026 deaths (which puts it right in line with the 10,023 reported for 3/28, so still about 2 days behind.

0-29: 2 - x2.00 (+1)
30-39: 20 - x0.00 (+0)
40-49: 89 - x1.11 (+8)
50-59: 369 - x1.08 (+29)
60-69: 1162 - x1.08 (+89)
70-79: 3456 - x1.07 (+250)
80-89: 3984 - x1.09 (+332)
90+: 939 - x1.11 (+94)

So by percentage the youngish (40's) and OLD old (90's) grew at the same rate, compared to the day before, everyone else is more or less close enough to be equal. x2 growth for 0-29 just looks odd because it went from 1 to 2.

Old's still dying in greater numbers, but I have seen an increase in younger cases over time, thankfully not huge though.

I wish the website was static, but it updates every day. 10943 total cases in the count now.

0-29: 2 - x0.00 (+0)
30-39: 25 - x1.25 (+5)
40-49: 92 - x1.03 (+3)
50-59: 409 - x1.10 (+40)
60-69: 1271 - 1.09 (+109)
70-79: 3724 - x1.08 (+268)
80-89: 4366 - x1.09 (+382)
90+: 1051 - x1.12 (+112)

Again all pretty much on par with what I've been seeing along the way. Still old folks dying for the most part.
 
Reports: Iran Has Lost 17 Officials, Nearly 15,000 People to Chinese Coronavirus



The National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), the largest anti-regime dissident organization, claimed on Monday that nearly 15,000 people in the country have died of coronavirus infections, about five times the death toll the Iranian regime officials claims to have counted.

Anyone else reporting this? Obviously the NCRI has a vested interest in things being worse than they appear.. and Breitbart are... ehhhhhhhhhhh.. I don't doubt things are worse there than reported, but I'd like some other sources before I accept this.
 
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