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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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infinitys_7th
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Nymphae
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Born during lockdown, Raipur twins named 'Corona' and 'Covid' | Raipur News - Times of India
'Corona' and 'Covid' may evoke fear and devastation in minds of others, but for the Raipur-based couple, they symbolise triumph over hardships as the
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Piku_Ringo
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gamerMan
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Finally, we have a 10 week plan to get American back to work by Harvey Fineberg, chairman of a committee with the National Academy of Sciences. He says: Instead of letting the virus dictate what we do, we need to be on the offensive and stop winging it. We need to fight this like a war. We need a plan to get back to work as soon as possible. Let's crush the curve.
1. Establish unified command.
We need to mobilize every civilian & military asset needed to win the war. Each governor should also appoint a commander with similar authority at the state level
2. Make millions of diagnostic tests available.
America needs to carry out millions of diagnostic tests in the next 2 weeks. Such a strategy was successfully used in South Korea. Testing is our form of intelligence" in the military sense.
3. Supply health workers with PPE and equip hospitals to care for a surge in severely ill patients.
We don't send soldier to fight a war without guns. Health workers on the front lines of this war deserve no less.
4. Differentiate the population into five groups and treat accordingly.
a) those infected with #COVID19
b) those presumed to be infected based on symptoms
c) those exposed to someone
d) those who are not known to have been exposed to or infected
e) those who recovered
People in first 2 groups might need to be hospitalized. Quarantine those exposed to Covid-19 for 2 weeks. Using an antibody test would help us identify people who are immune. Those who have recovered can get back to work ASAP.
5. Inspire and mobilize the public.
U.S. postal service and other delivery companies could deliver surgical masks to every American. Everybody should wear a mask.
6. Learn while doing through real-time, fundamental research.
1. Establish unified command.
We need to mobilize every civilian & military asset needed to win the war. Each governor should also appoint a commander with similar authority at the state level
2. Make millions of diagnostic tests available.
America needs to carry out millions of diagnostic tests in the next 2 weeks. Such a strategy was successfully used in South Korea. Testing is our form of intelligence" in the military sense.
3. Supply health workers with PPE and equip hospitals to care for a surge in severely ill patients.
We don't send soldier to fight a war without guns. Health workers on the front lines of this war deserve no less.
4. Differentiate the population into five groups and treat accordingly.
a) those infected with #COVID19
b) those presumed to be infected based on symptoms
c) those exposed to someone
d) those who are not known to have been exposed to or infected
e) those who recovered
People in first 2 groups might need to be hospitalized. Quarantine those exposed to Covid-19 for 2 weeks. Using an antibody test would help us identify people who are immune. Those who have recovered can get back to work ASAP.
5. Inspire and mobilize the public.
U.S. postal service and other delivery companies could deliver surgical masks to every American. Everybody should wear a mask.
6. Learn while doing through real-time, fundamental research.
Jtibh
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They emptied the mccaig tower at the foothills .
Its only for covid patients.
There is right now 2 units running covid patient.
So level one and level 2.
My wife is level 3 so when the other 2 fill up they will move patients to level 3.
So far they dont have a lot so no one on her unit yet but it will change soon.
Otherwise we have lots of cases but they are mostly self isolating.
I think we have it under controll for now and if people follow protocol we should be fine.
What we are not fine with is our economy.
All gatherings with more than 15 people are cancelled now till jun 30th .
So no restaurants no events etc
Probably no stampede.
Financially we wont survive this as a province.
We are hit hard with this and the oil crisis.
Smiles and Cries
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My wife has been cooking like three meals a day.. It's been ridiculous, but good.. Definitely need some of the lean times to come to help with my waist size
We've ordered delivery a couple of times but trying to do it in house as much as we can.
SAVED by Rootsman Kitchen!
Walked 2 miles for this but I don't have to eat pasta tonight!
My favorite food spicy Jerk Chicken and rice and peas
Also got pepper steak too woo that was risky they had Xs on the floor for where to stand small place but had 6 people in line ahead of me glad to know they are busy it means the meat is not days old.
Smiles and Cries
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Bitch turning into Snow Informer....
sorry context I was busy eating
sorry context I was busy eating
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Jtibh
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Here comes the boom boomers
Next 2 weeks will be the toughest with a lot of deaths from coronavirus – Trump https://www.rt.com/usa/484992-more-deaths-coronavirus-two-weeks/
Next 2 weeks will be the toughest with a lot of deaths from coronavirus – Trump https://www.rt.com/usa/484992-more-deaths-coronavirus-two-weeks/
AsylumKeeper
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This ”enemy of the people”shit is so retarded my head explodes. This pandemic will surely bring out the best and worst in people.
Smiles and Cries
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he didn't write that tho
he can't understand wooo the future is bleak Trump is ready for the heat
I wish they would stay on topic though
-aftermidnight-
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Does that mean Bill Gates will be losing money? and he don't care, he cares more for the people?? if so i salute you Bill!!!
Jonsoncao
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I agree. Quite unfortunate collectively humanity's future looks so bleak.
Bill has been obsessed with eradicating infectious disease in poverty area for years, his foundation has been burning billions of dollars already on polio in which his goal is ZERO for African country...This year he even quitted as a board member of M$ to solely focus on philanthropy...He is quite an optimist. Humankind does not deserve him.
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Joe T.
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It's not a result of the pandemic, it's just easier to spot now because more eyes are on these briefings. The leading questions to serve certain narratives are difficult to miss. That kind of nonsense is bad enough during regular times, it's even worse now that everyone's looking for information tied to the virus and the government's response. Thankfully there's less of it on the weekends because the worst offenders like Jim Acosta, Peter Alexander and Yamiche Alcindor are absent.
White House correspondents should be reporters seeking questions of interest to the people, not political activists trying to become the story or feed a preconceived narrative (e.g. "He's a Russian agent").
ManaByte
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The weekend ones are auditioning for bigger jobs at CNN and MSNBC.
-aftermidnight-
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I just want this whole craziness go pass and a vaccine made. Last night my anxiety creeped up and i had a panic attack. Was laying down in bed and couldn't sleep, had pressure on my chest and was hard to breathe. An hour passed and i couldn't take it, got up all panicky was walking all over the living room cause i couldn't get a whole breath in, woke up the wife telling her to call 911. They came and checked me out, said i was good and that it was a anxiety and stress. I calmed down and yeah, i was able to breathe better. I'm also chubbier due to all the eating that i'm doing being not able to go out and about to my local desert park and hike.
Smiles and Cries
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Its Bunny Day! Trump not special unless you want to make it special for all religions good luck with that
EightBit Man
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Italy: Only 12% of “Covid19 deaths” list Covid19 as cause
The way Italy registers deaths explains their increased coronavirus case/fatality ratio, according to one expert and a report from Italy’s National Institute of Health (ISS).
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infinitys_7th
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If you are scared you could have it and start getting psychosomatic breathing issues, just take your temperature. All symptomatic and serious cases present with fever.
I get the same kind of panic (I've got severe allergies and have always had respiratory issues, including almost yearly URIs) and taking my temperature helps control it.
EightBit Man
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CBS admits to using footage from Italy in NYC coronavirus report
CBS News has admitted that footage of an overflowing ward used during a report on the coronavirus crisis in NYC hospitals was actually shot in Italy.
nypost.com
eot
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This sounds good and all, but how is the opening up phase going to work in practice? Singapore, which appeared to have contained the virus, are now ramping up their measures. SK and Taiwan still appear to be doing well, but I wonder if that can be translated to the west.
The thing is, if the shutdown isn't extreme enough that it leads to the complete eradication of the virus, then as soon as the restrictions are lifted we run the risk of the whole thing blowing up again. I know that everyone here knows that, but seriously, it's a problem. I don't have confidence we'll be able to prevent a secondary outbreak, and the lockdown measures simply aren't sustainable long term. Furthermore, I'm not counting on a vaccine, quite the opposite in fact*. Treatment options may appear, but it'd have to be a stroke of luck because the time table for developing new pharmaceuticals is also very long.
In my opinion, the only sustainable long term measures are 1) mandatory mask use 2) bans on large gatherings 3) relentless reminders about hand hygiene. People may disagree on the second one.
*note that there are no existing vaccines for other coronaviruses, and even if an effective one is found safety is a huge issue. We can't have this thing giving complications to even 0.1% of people when talking about "rapidly" administering this to the whole world. The oft quoted 12-18 months represent the most optimistic time schedule imaginable. It basically means we already have the vaccine and just need to test it.
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EightBit Man
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He is a merciless, inhumane scumbag. He (and his wife) already had a patent on the coronavirus prior to the outbreak.
Rentahamster
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Anyone can learn to be one. I think you have what it takes. It's actually not that hard to level up to a fairly competent level. Youtube is a great resource for learning just about any skill.
EightBit Man
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You guys should check out this man. He will clearly explain that we've been lied to. Even he, who has criticized conspiracy theorists in the past, feels that there is something very sinister going on.
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Piku_Ringo
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As long as his Vaccines don't contain any microchips to track people
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Smiles and Cries
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I'm not awful at cooking but due to my health issues anything over 15 minutes risk me fainting. Passing out while cooking would be bad for me. It happens too often already. Most of the things I really enjoyed making takes a few hours of prep and cooking time.
eot
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Oh, you're one of those.
Rentahamster
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Get an instapot? (easier said than done, I know)
Piku_Ringo
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MastAndo
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Mostly out of boredom, I fell into a conspiracy rabbit hole for a minute there, then realized I could just text my brother's brother in law who is an X-Ray tech at a hospital here in NYC. I meant to do so anyway to thank him and check up on him...but yeah, it's the real deal. He sounds mortified, like he's seeing shit no one should see. Things like not knowing where to put the dead bodies until the freezer trucks show up. He mostly didn't tell me anything I hadn't heard, but said if you end up on a ventilator, you're basically dead...and while most cases are 50+, he's seen plenty of folks younger than that come in with no preexisting conditions and need hospitalization.
I've been respectful of the quarantine process, but haven't been emotionally impacted by anything going since it still feels at arm's length despite where I live...but yeah, talking to him got me choked up a bit. Just a tremendous amount of respect and appreciation for those in the medical sector right now.
I've been respectful of the quarantine process, but haven't been emotionally impacted by anything going since it still feels at arm's length despite where I live...but yeah, talking to him got me choked up a bit. Just a tremendous amount of respect and appreciation for those in the medical sector right now.
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prag16
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Not sure if this has been posted yet, but check out this pneumonia line graph...
Makes sense. Most viral pneumonia deaths get logged as "pneumonia" deaths most years because nobody bothers to take a deep dive to figure out which particular virus caused it unless it was something readily tested for such as influenza.
This year, many more of them are getting attributed to COVID than pneumonia apparently. This supports the idea that a lot of these COVID deaths are severely compromised patients that would have died anyway, and are not contributing to "excess deaths".
Makes sense. Most viral pneumonia deaths get logged as "pneumonia" deaths most years because nobody bothers to take a deep dive to figure out which particular virus caused it unless it was something readily tested for such as influenza.
This year, many more of them are getting attributed to COVID than pneumonia apparently. This supports the idea that a lot of these COVID deaths are severely compromised patients that would have died anyway, and are not contributing to "excess deaths".
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EightBit Man
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Can you elaborate, instead of going ad hominem? You don't think this mass hysteria is irrational? You don't think there's something to be gained by the already mega wealthy, who own official news outlets and have the government in their pocket? Like the 2007/8 crash, it will result into a wealth inequality beyond imagination. Life hasn't been the way it was ever since; we never recovered from it. This will have serious consequences. There will be the rich and the poor, and nothing in-between, in a highly technological surveillance-driven society, far exceeding the post-9/11 world.
Go and read some cyberpunk stuff, they already knew what was coming.
Dr.Guru of Peru
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Pretty sure this has been posted multiple times.
Catphish
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Ironic since many there do not trust the UN or WHO to treat/vaccinate for Ebola.Congo ready to be the worlds guinea pig.
DR Congo 'prepared' to take part in vaccine testing: official
The Democratic Republic of Congo is prepared to take part in testing of any future vaccine against the coronavirus, the head of the country's taskforce against the pandemic said on Fridawww.news24.com
Piku_Ringo
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EightBit Man
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You can call me anything you want, I don't really care. Many people have legitimate questions, more than you realize. And you don't have to be a "conspiracy theorist" to understand that there is a pre-COVID-19 world, and a post-COVID-19 world that will be barely recognizable from the prior.
eot
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A few things things to say about that: first that there's plenty of data from Italy comparing their current death rates with the average ones in this time period, and they're significantly higher. Hospitalization rates reflect that too. Second thing is that the curve is below the second lowest one in the first weeks of January, and by late February it's noticeably lower. This was a period in which few or no deaths from COVID-19 were reported in the US, in fact the deaths did not start occurring to any noticeable degree until week 13, which isn't even in the graph. Even if there were COVID-19 deaths in that period they weren't recognized as such and therefore wouldn't affect the graph. Finally the data set is very limited, we have no idea what the normal range of flu deaths is just by looking at seven years.
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hariseldon
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There are legitimate questions - however you aren’t asking any.
EightBit Man
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No, we should completely ruin our social and economic fabric, and the future of our children for the sake of a tiny, tiny percentage of very old people (a fraction of old people die from COVID-19). Very rational.
eot
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There's a legitimate discussion to be had about the merits of the quarantine measures, however you don't start it by spouting bullshit about Bill Gates having a vaccine. That makes you look like a shit-for-brains with no critical thinking ability. If you want to talk about that we have a special thread just for you.
GHG
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Christ alive man, look at the state of the hospitals in countries where this has spread.
This is about making sure the healthcare systems (along with support systems such as emergency call lines, pharmaceuticals, etc) are not completely crippled so that people are having to be refused critical treatment/advice (whether it's COVID-19 related or not) and then dying at home or on the streets as a result.
So yeh, lets carry on as usual and spread this around while our medical professionals work 24/7 with inadequate equipment and rest. In such a scenario you'd better hope you don't get in a road accident of some sort (or trip down the stairs in your rush to get to work), you're not going to be able to get the assistance you require, if at all.
Like it or not (you might take it for granted) but readily available and high quality healthcare is a core underpinning of modern societies, and we all wouldn't be able to go about our day to day lives without it being there readily available for us.
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prag16
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Whatever it takes to keep the fear and hysteria machine cranking.
FYI while Italy is indeed experiencing a death rate above normal right now, there were two higher relative death rate spikes in Italy in the past 10 years than where they're at now. And no lockdowns then. (I'm on mobile and can't find the source right, I'll try later when I get the chance.)
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