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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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hardseppo

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If it's for game chat, wouldnt it just pick up sounds from the tv/speakers and echo?
I meant this one.

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Hostile_18

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I meant this one.

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Yeah controllers go off after so long of inactivity so volume etc when watching a movie wouldnt really work, just as you suggest when actively playing games. I do think it might have some interesting uses we havent thought of though.

Chat without a headset would be great if they have some kind of noise cancelling technology.
 
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ZywyPL

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Those look terrible, basically every mockup that has colored buttons and PS logo looks off, like a cheap toy for kids, Sony's original design is sleek, sexy, modern, high-tech, they couldn't have done it any better IMO. The only scenario where the colored buttons and logo would fit is some sort of PSX-themed anniversary edition with the iconic gray.






Just by looking at the picture you can instantly tell how bad DS4 is compared to the rest, you can clearly see how seriously it lacks the build quality.
 

Zoro7

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Those look terrible, basically every mockup that has colored buttons and PS logo looks off, like a cheap toy for kids, Sony's original design is sleek, sexy, modern, high-tech, they couldn't have done it any better IMO. The only scenario where the colored buttons and logo would fit is some sort of PSX-themed anniversary edition with the iconic gray.







Just by looking at the picture you can instantly tell how bad DS4 is compared to the rest, you can clearly see how seriously it lacks the build quality.

I thought the DS4 was a great controller. I have big hands so for me its a lot more comfortable than the previous versions. And also how does one tell build quality based on photos?
 
In case someone is asking why the controller is generating so much noise is simple for many people like
the control is so important as even some first party games in order to choose a console or decide to buy
a third party game for a specific console.

For example even when I know the PS4 has better graphics than Xbox one I bought a couple of times game like shooters
for that console just for the control. I have friends which decide which console have if the control is good for they taste.
 

FeiRR

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I hope PS5 features aptX support for wireless headsets. I don't understand why people still want to use wires in 2020. BT quality is not an issue anymore. My last 3 phones didn't even have an audio jack and I never missed that. It's time to move on with technology.
 

husomc

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Those look terrible, basically every mockup that has colored buttons and PS logo looks off, like a cheap toy for kids, Sony's original design is sleek, sexy, modern, high-tech, they couldn't have done it any better IMO. The only scenario where the colored buttons and logo would fit is some sort of PSX-themed anniversary edition with the iconic gray.







Just by looking at the picture you can instantly tell how bad DS4 is compared to the rest, you can clearly see how seriously it lacks the build quality.
The DualSense might still have colour on those buttons. I have a feeling there will be backlit LEDs underneath those buttons.
 

Kusarigama

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I just checked the event for the Xbox that every xbox fans were recently hyping up. Nobody is watching it.

While Sony released a picture of its next playstation and the internet goes wild.

I don't know what I'm gonna do anymore if I'm part of the Xbox PR.

Still hoping for the best for xbox. (if only it has exclusives I'll probably get it)
Inside XBOX has terrible formatting for a videogames' show. Too many people hosting it and not enough exciting content on it.
 

hardseppo

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I just checked the event for the Xbox that every xbox fans were recently hyping up. Nobody is watching it.

While Sony released a picture of its next playstation and the internet goes wild.

I don't know what I'm gonna do anymore if I'm part of the Xbox PR.

Still hoping for the best for xbox. (if only it has exclusives I'll probably get it)
Yeah, the "Inside Xbox" are always this bad. Too much bla, bla... longer shows don't mean better shows. Best way to go from now on would be like the Nintendo Direct's. Short and efficient.


are you one of those FUDders ? trying to sneak this in on a positive PS news day ?
Paranoid much?
 
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B_Boss

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this. his entire speech was PR speak.

Here’s the reality theory: Sony set on launching PS5 in 2019, things changed and caused a delay but they were stuck with their APU design (9.2 @ 2ghz) and MS caught them with their pants down. Then, Somy realized this and had Cerny do whatever he could to make up the difference. This is when he added boost clocks just to be able to claim 10.2tflops and then went ham on SSD to have a selling point. in the end, the ps5 will cost just as much as the xsx due to increased cost of the ssd and cooling and have fairly subpar performance.

Ftfy 🍻. Interesting theory nevertheless.
 
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FeiRR

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I just checked the event for the Xbox that every xbox fans were recently hyping up. Nobody is watching it.
I watched it. The show featured:
- Grounded, a "Honey I Shrunk the Kids, Again" game from Obsidian which seems to be targeted at children
- a rehash of information about XSX, nothing new
- Forza Streets, mobile shovelware
- Yakuza Kiwami coming to Xbox
- Journey to the Savage Planet... DLC, another cartoonish-looking game, something like No Man's Sky but more light-hearted, I guess
- Gears Tactics, which looked very nice, as long as you are into tactical games (I'm not)
- information about xCloud, a service which has limited regional availability, so nothing for me
- Hotline Miami coming to XGP. yes, seriously they made news about those old (though very good) indies
- the Last Campfire, an indie which they suggested was exclusive, turned out not to be
- Sea of Thieves DLC, I didn't even make it through the tutorial in that game, so I didn't pay much attention to it
- there was one more pixel-graphics indie with a name I didn't record, looked really bad, mobile quality

All that was edited with various Xbox people talking from their homes with terrible webcams and mics. I'm sure now you get a gist why Team Green does not want to talk about that presentation.
 

PaintTinJr

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...... Get them all and leave that life behind.
In an idealistic world, yes, where everyone tried their best, without the need to have the incentive of success, or where family life doesn’t require all luxury purchases to justify their space and cost. But Microsoft themselves don’t agree with that, or haven’t in their successful history. They’ve pitted their staff against one another so that rewards and winning are like hand and glove.

I wonder if Playstation would bother at all with system selling exclusives if everyone bought hardware without it being for the purpose of playing specific games, and that would make gaming poorer (IMHO) without those games. I for one am glad to see Xbox rebuilding its first party stables to give gamers like me a bigger reason to consider making space for an XSX.
 

B_Boss

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this tower design always reminds me of a Xiaomi air purifier :messenger_smiling:

Please Sony, don’t go with a tower design 😭. Series X is amazing and unique for a console, I’m hoping PS5 will go a different route.

Yeah controllers go off after so long of inactivity so volume etc when watching a movie wouldnt really work, just as you suggest when actively playing games. I do think it might have some interesting uses we havent thought of though.

Chat without a headset would be great if they have some kind of noise cancelling technology.

I think you can set whether or not they shut down no (20mins, 15mins, 10mins, or “never”)?
 
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Three Jackdaws

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Anyone watch Austin Evans video recently?

Dude seems to be capitalising of the next-gen hype big time, it’s concerning because he really doesn’t have any knowledge of next-gen consoles. If you watch his Series X video you could tell he was parroting information which the Microsoft team told him, it was a little cringe.

He uploaded a video soon after the Dualsense controller was revealed with a clickbait image of him holding it even though he didn’t actually have it. It’s not really a problem but he had such a huge platform and he can’t seem to give an informed breakdown/review of next-generation tech.
 
Because it’s not “obvious”

For all of PS5s “advantages” we have to think in the abstract or imagine things we don’t know exist yet.

We have countless examples of cards losing efficiency the higher the clock, but with PS5 we are supposed to believe the low CU count, and super high clock somehow increases efficiency and removes bottlenecks.

We see how boost clocks work in every other piece of hardware, but with PS5 we have to believe it works differently and the “boost” isn’t really a “boost” but a sustainable number except for if the game gets too intensive, then it will automatically throttle, but devs can optimize specifically for power to control the throttling to their advantage.

SSDs have been in use forever, and we can see their benefits. But since PS5s is the fastest we are supposed to believe “PS5 can do things nothing else can touch” but we have no idea what those things are, or why a slower SSD could not do those things.

None of this is “obvious” or simple.

PS5 could be magical hardware that defies everything we thought we knew about gaming hardware, but Sony is gonna have to prove that. You can’t expect people to believe it just cause they said it
It's not what we are supposed to beleive. It's what they are doing. We just don't understand it. I have tech friends that have stated that this is new territory and pretty innovative. What we are supposed to believe is that PS5 is NOT the mistake and PR failure that people want to call it for.
I was talking to my boyfriend last night who works in revenue. Without being a biased gamer, he told me why they aren't blowing there load like MS. He stated that this is how it works with retail (especially electronics). Even explained that Sony definitely wants a peice of MS Xbox market share with the new controller (just like the share button with new XSX controller). The more they reveal and after seeing the controller, it tells me that they know exactly wtf they are doing. They found a way to make more next gen innovations using RDNA 2 36 CU count, that simple. MS decided to use 52 and make a directly powerful machine. Sony's whole thing is less bottlenecks so it can efficiently be more powerful via their own engineering. I applaud them for making a lesser price console that will still blow your damn sox off. Btw I'm so glad Phil changed his mind and is calling Sony the competition again, we all win in the end.

So yeah we aren't supposed to believe a damn thing except to play the games and know that PS5 is stupidly powerful/innovative. That's all both of them are aiming for this gen with Sony being, imo the more innovative ones - they always have been in their hardware sector. Not here to fight - just finally making sense of the crazy and talking to unbiased people here in Chicago who are more experienced in the sector of business, marketing, and software engineering than most of us.
As a musical person myself I was making better music when I had less to work with on a lower budget. I found innovative ways to get the same quality as top recording studios by putting together smarter solutions to sound better than someone else's gear that was 200,000 vs my 15,000. So you see what I mean? They are moving at their own pace, own speed, and MS is (Phil Spencer admitted this) being super vocal as they are proud and wanting to correct the past mistakes.
You are so right though, Sony WILL have to prove it, and they will because MS is not playing out in these streets so to speak.
 
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EliteSmurf

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Anyone watch Austin Evans video recently?

Dude seems to be capitalising of the next-gen hype big time, it’s concerning because he really doesn’t have any knowledge of next-gen consoles. If you watch his Series X video you could tell he was parroting information which the Microsoft team told him, it was a little cringe.

He uploaded a video soon after the Dualsense controller was revealed with a clickbait image of him holding it even though he didn’t actually have it. It’s not really a problem but he had such a huge platform and he can’t seem to give an informed breakdown/review of next-generation tech.
Yeah his subscriber's were calling him out for it in his comments .
 

DaMonsta

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It's not what we are supposed to beleive. It's what they are doing. We just don't understand it. I have tech friends that have stated that this is new territory and pretty innovative.
Well that’s fine, my only point was that it is not “obvious” and there are some claims being made that go against what we already know about gaming hardware.
What we are supposed to believe is that PS5 is NOT the mistake and PR failure that people want to call it for. I was talking to my boyfriend last night who works in revenue. Without being a biased gamer he told me why they aren't blowing there load like MS. He stated that this is how it works. Even explained that Sony definitely wants a peice of MS market share with the new controller (just like the share button with new XSX controller). The more they reveal and after seeing the controller, it tells me that they know exactly wtf they are doing. They found a way to make more innovations using RDNA 2 36 CU count, that simple. MS decided to use 52 and make a directly powerful machine. Sony's whole thing is less bottlenecks so it can efficiently be more powerful via their own engineering. I applaud them making a lesser price console that will still blow your damn sox off. Btw I'm so glad Phil changed his mind and is calling Sony the competition again, we all win in the end. So yeah we aren't supposed to believe a damn thing, we are just supposed to play the games and know that PS5 is stupidly powerful and innovative. That's all both of them are aiming for this gen with Sony being imo the more innovative ones. They always have in their hardware sector. Not here to fight just finally making sense of the crazy and talking to unbiased people here in Chicago who are more experienced in the sector of business, marketing, software engineering than most of us. As a musical person as myself I was making better music when I had less to work with on a lower budget as I found innovative ways to get the same quality as top recording studios by putting together smarter solutions to sound better than someone else's gear that was 200,000 vs my 15,000. So you see what I mean. They are moving at there own pace, own speed, and MS is (Phil Spencer admitted this) being super vocal as they are proud and wanting to correct the past mistakes.
You are so right though, Sony WILL have to prove it, and the will because MS is not playing out in these streets so to speak.
I have not seen anyone claim the PS5 as a disaster. It’s clear Sony and Microsoft were aiming for a different price point at least in their own BOM, but I think you are shortchanging Microsoft by painting it as they just threw a bunch of power in a box, they’ve gone through some of the same lengths to remove bottlenecks and achieve maximum efficiency with the hardware they chose.

Devs will always make the most out of the hardware. I’m excited to see what Next Gen brings.
 
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wtf are you on about? how do dev kits function then? do they always run at full clocks, do they downlock to minimum clocks?
if the first is true, that's gonna introduce issues on retail hardware then if they just code for full clocks, and if the latter is true then games will be developed for a lower spec and then boosted.
both of these scenarios are ass.

I am not following the latest "leak" stuff about dev kits or shit. so... yeah... I dunno what this is about with non-boosting dev kits
The retail PS5 will handle the Variable clock. Devs will use the kits that are fixed, they dont have to optimize for it. We just don't understand it is all. None of us do enough. It's almost like when people thought the earth couldn't be round. Give it time, we will see what they truly are doing. I'm starting to think this isn't about damage control for Sony. We are the only one's warring. MS AND Sony are about to both kick ass approaching 2 different fighting styles.
 
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