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Xbox Series S / Lockhart Details To Be Revealed Soon; Console Will Be Priced At Around $300 – Rumor
- Thread starter sonomamashine
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teezzy
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None. If Series S is 300 though, then X being 400 seems reasonable. I'm just being an asshat.
sonomamashine
Member
If found please stop doing drugs.
I'm guessing the PS5 price will determine what the SeS costs. I could easily see it coming in $100 cheaper stand alone or $50 less with a year of gamepass. I am a very skeptical person when it comes to corporate puffery, but MS has been consistent in their messaging for a while now. And with respect to next gen, Phil said they don't expect to be beat on price or performance. I've sometimes wondered if they will east a major loss to match PS5 and SeX pricing, but I'm now suspecting they tackle performance and price via the two systems. They already have performance, and I bet the SeS is priced to win on price.
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TLZ
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But the game is made specifically for which card? That game you're playing on 2080ti wasn't made for it. In fact no game is made for it. It's just a brute force card.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
For who? Not Microsoft.
AGRacing
Member
You might be more right than you think. I can easily see the PS5 priced at $499. Especially when I take a quick look at what the cutting edge of 1TB SSD's look like (I actually think that the PS5 does have 1TB of SSD storage but that they need to leave some of it empty to ensure consistent performance - I know my SSD needs a certain percentage of free space to be consistently fast).
Don't be at all surprised if Series X is $599 (only meant to sell to the top 20% - 30% of Xbox users). PS5 is $499. Series S is $399.
I cannot for the life of me see a ' next gen console ' launching at $299 from anyone. Even the 'light' version of a next gen console. This more than anything makes me think the Playstation will be $500 USD.
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I won't be at all surprised by 299 or 349 (SeS), 399 (PS5), and 499 (SeX) for the final prices. The $ that comes in from the eco-systems, and the likelihood that neither company will pay close to wholesale prices for parts, is why it seems rather likely to me. Adding in a worldwide recession makes it even more likely IMO.
Regarding the SSD, I really hope you are right. But if Sony is going with 1Tb and calling it 825 because of the OS, why wouldn't Cerny have made that clear? Most of the people watching the stream probably would have found that refreshingly honest when calling the sizes identical.
One thing I have also wondered is whether SSD's have yield issues like processors? I've heard about the chips having more cores than listed in spec sheets to increase yields. I'm wondering if SSD's have comparable yield issues. If they do, maybe Sony is getting a huge bargain by taking SSD's that would otherwise be rejected for not getting to a full 1 TB???
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Lockhart will be cheaper by doing......
- Weaker specs (given)
- Does it even bother having RT?
- All digital? (no UHD)
- Streaming/XCloud only? (only a tiny HDD to save games)
- Weaker specs (given)
- Does it even bother having RT?
- All digital? (no UHD)
- Streaming/XCloud only? (only a tiny HDD to save games)
I won't be surprised if its all digital, but I really doubt streaming only. Way too much money lost on sales, and they probably wouldn't need anything close to what has been rumored for specs for streaming only.
Agnostic2020
Member
Imagine shackling xsx down with 4tf weak machine and making xsx a up resolution /higher fps machine rather than actually taking advantage of the machine
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sonomamashine
Member
Can be played on any card, less details, lower resolution.
I can see a 7TF (series S) if they decide to go without RT.
Sadly, as a general rule I believe it will be XsX games getting ported up, and not the other way around.
Omega Supreme Holopsicon
Member
Assets scale but not past ultra. And the rx 580 4GB can run games at ultra in 1080p and 1440p.
The problem is if a next gen game uses 8+GB of high quality assets at once. You better have not cut either ram quantity or ssd speed.
IbizaPocholo
NeoGAFs Kent Brockman
TBiddy
Member
Sounds likely. So about the XB1X in terms of TF... buuuuut with a much faster CPU and an SSD. I hope they can pull it off and get it to a level where it will match the XSX on most levels outside resolution.
cireza
Member
I hope this thing will be able to produce 1080p@60fps when XSX actually produces 4K@60fps or whatever@60fps.
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Arkam
Member
Super interesting that MS is moving forward with this sku. Wonder what their angle is, must be good. Cuz seems if they do have a box that has more grunt and can do things your comp cant do... that you would want to set the narrative that is the new baseline and point how the comp is below. But with this much lower sku they cant so bluntly do that. Looking forward to the reveal to understand.
TBiddy
Member
I hope that is the ambition. Could sell like hotcakes if priced right.
Rolling_Start
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From a ram POV, a drop from 4K to 1080p will probably allow a drop of a mip level in your textures. Even with very aggressive texture streaming you could probably reduce your texture pool in ram by up to 75%, and with the number of buffers used in games now being crazy high (up to something like 50 in Doom) you can realistically claw back at least a couple of GB and probably more without too much effort.
I expect SSD would be the same model for cost saving and consistency reasons.
Omega Supreme Holopsicon
Member
I don't know how close we are to the limits of texture usage for a given resolution. I expect next gen games to use 1440p to 1800p with ai reconstruction to 4k. How many GBs of texture and geometry data is optimal for those resolutions?
I know that in 4k at least some movies can use more than 32GB of memory for a single character, if I recall correctly.
MisterXDTV
Member
Are they really killing the 6 teraflops monster after less than 3 years?
LOL
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M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Why exactly would you need 4TF Series X for streaming? That it would solve Folding@Home on the background? 4k video feed decode is probably doable on the cell phone SoCs...
Windows-PC
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The only difference in the end between the XBox Series X and the XBox Series S will be resolution:
XBox Series X -> 4K 60FPS
XBox Series S -> 1080p 60FPS
All future XBox Series X games will be the exact same game on the XBox Series S, no compromises, except the resolution will be lower.
This is Microsoft's target with the XBox Series S
XBox Series X -> 4K 60FPS
XBox Series S -> 1080p 60FPS
All future XBox Series X games will be the exact same game on the XBox Series S, no compromises, except the resolution will be lower.
This is Microsoft's target with the XBox Series S
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IbizaPocholo
NeoGAFs Kent Brockman
Monkeygourmet
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This kills the series X 
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Deleted member 775630
Unconfirmed Member
It might kill the PS5
The Alien
Banned
Not likely. Room for both options.
Sure myself and most on gaming sites will shell out the money for an enthusiast console (X, Pro). But the majority of consumers dont care that much. Nor do they care about 4k - they're fine with 1080. They want to play 1 or 2 specific games or what's cheap for their kid.
Couple a $300 price with GamePass and you have a winner. I expect the S to outsell the X.
itsjustJEFF
Member
Apparently, the TF number for this gen (4 vs 6) don't translate. It's not like comparing apples to apples. That's what people have been saying anyway, I have no idea. So supposedly the 4TF on this guy is better than the 6TF on the One X. It would be interesting to know exactly why.
Vawn
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TF differences only matter when you compare 10.2 and 12. When you compare 4 vs 6 it suddenly doesn't matter.
Dabaus
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Sony is already doing a fine enough job killing their own hype. We’re in May and know next to nothing about Ps5 besides specs and Microsoft is out here about to show games this week.
Vawn
Banned
Look at how people react when Sony reveals even the tiniest details about PS5. The hype is there.
It is strange how differently they've handled the pre-launch year of PS5 compared to PS4 though.
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Deleted member 775630
Unconfirmed Member
They have the most liked gaming picture ever on Instagram so they must be doing something right.
cireza
Member
If it could actually kill both PS5 and Series X, maybe the debate would be centered again around games, not specs. Could be pretty interesting !
Vawn
Banned
Well this is a video game forum where the nerds of nerds argue about things like Teraflops and SSD speeds. For the other 95% of gamers it comes down to Games and Price.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Depends.
360 and PS3 had cheaper consoles at launch and the only difference was HD space. Yet, most gamers bought the more expensive iteration.
With a possible cheap Lockhart at maybe $200 less, its a much less powerful console.
SleepDoctor
Banned
If I remember correctly, someone stated The x is 6 gcn tf and series s is 4 rdna tf which are stronger.
Monkeygourmet
Banned
Series X:
4K / 60fps / RT - £499.90
PS5:
4K / 1800p / 60fps / RT - £399.00
Series S:
1440p / 1080p / 30fps / 60fps - £349.00
4K / 60fps / RT - £499.90
PS5:
4K / 1800p / 60fps / RT - £399.00
Series S:
1440p / 1080p / 30fps / 60fps - £349.00
Son_of_Zardoz
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Why are people saying "this kills the X1X" like it's a bad thing? It should take the place of (kill) the X1X. This is a new generation of machines and the X1X's cpu is still the old jag so it needs to go away. I'm saying this and I own one and am quite fond of it. Not like it's gonna magically stop working or anything.
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gamerforever
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Both will be doa for sure.
TBiddy
Member
I’m sorry, but that makes no sense.
Monkeygourmet
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Well, all 3 machines will offer different price points and specs?
TBiddy
Member
Absolutely. I was talking about the price points you presented. There needs to be a much bigger difference between XSS and the PS5 - otherwise, you'll see next to no people buying one.
Vawn
Banned
Not unless Xbox actually has games people want to play that you can't play on PS5.