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[Allandor]

It just came to my mind, that the Xbox sx might have a cost advantage over the PS5 even if it initially costs more. All "exclusives" should be inside of Gamepass on the first day, that means we can buy an Xbox sx without even buy a game and still have plenty to play. Well there will still be 3rd party games but all launch games from MS should be included.

Question is, will Sony do something similar with PSNow? They already added not to old PS4 games. Will they add their PS5 games ( at least) on launch day to counter that?


Edit:
Damn, my phone autocorrected launch -> lauch in the headline

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

Well, saying that they're not exclusive because they're in gamepass is a bit disingenuous. It makes buying the games a lesser value, I'd argue, but you still need to have XSEX hardware.... errr, right? Or is it on PC, too? Are they still saying all games have to work on the Xbone, too?

Man, what the fuck is Microsoft doing lol

 

[plip.plop]

Since we know there will not be any MS exclusives for the launch. I hope Microsoft can secure one or two 3rd party triple A titles (1 single player, 1 multiplayer) to launch with XsX which would be pretty big and help to boost Game Pass subscriptions as well.
I doubt it will happen but it would be pretty big news if they did.

 

[Hobbygaming]

I prefer Sony not to do this

I'm still not convinced that Gamepass won't end up bad for AAA gaming

 

[Torrent of Pork]

I suppose that's technically true. Assuming I'm able to snag a Series X at launch I certainly won't be purchasing any 1st party MS titles.

I will be playing them, however.

 

[DarkMage619]

I prefer Sony not to do this

I'm still not convinced that Gamepass won't end up bad for AAA gaming

How is gamepass bad for AAA gaming?

 

[Hobbygaming]

How is gamepass bad for AAA gaming?

I think it will change game budgets for the worse eventually

 

[pr0cs]

It is a pretty significant selling feature for a new console to get instant access to a significant game library.
Presumably Microsoft will throw in a month free gamepass so the days of having to buy games along with a new console and controllers are a thing of the past.
That will save another $140+ that I'd typically spend with the new machine

 

[Neo_game]

I do not think it matters. If the game is worth it people are going to buy consoles. That is how it has always been. Personally I am against subscription based model. Moreover since Microsoft has confirmed all their games will get released on all their platforms. You really do not need to buy the new console to play their games.

 

[Grumpy Toe Nail]

I'd agree, Xbox is going to probably be the cheapest option overall at launch and the most powerful if you look at it that way. Sony wont do the same if i had to guess, at least not yet.

 

[Deleted member 471617]

Sony won't do the same as Microsoft but im super hyped for Xbox Series X day one. Halo Infinite, Gears Tactics and an upgraded version of Ori 2 will be plenty for me exclusive wise. I'll have at least 5+ third party games at launch so overall, I'll be good.

 

[RCU005]

Well, it's going to depend on what exclusives Microsoft announce. There's going to be Halo Infinite and Hellblade 2 for now. I'm pretty sure they will have Forza, too. I have high hopes for Xbox first party games this generation, but I don't think most of them will come until after the first year, at least.

 

[rofif]

This can funnily enough lead to owning a console with 0 games after few years

 

[IDKFA]

Taking Gamepass out of the discussion, the XSX still won't have any exclusive games. IIRC, MS said that there won't be a 1st party XSX exclusive for a few years as they'll all be playable on the current models. Also I'm pretty sure they'll all be on PC as well.

 

[Grumpy Toe Nail]

Taking Gamepass out of the discussion, the XSX still won't have any exclusive games. IIRC, MS said that there won't be a 1st party XSX exclusive for a few years as they'll all be playable on the current models. Also I'm pretty sure they'll all be on PC as well.

And? Microsoft doesn't care as long you buy there games. XSX is just there as an option for people who still prefer consoles.

 

[Sota4077]

It just came to my mind, that the Xbox sx might have a cost advantage over the PS5 even if it initially costs more. All "exclusives" should be inside of Gamepass on the first day, that means we can buy an Xbox sx without even buy a game and still have plenty to play. Well there will still be 3rd party games but all launch games from MS should be included.

Question is, will Sony do something similar with PSNow? They already added not to old PS4 games. Will they add their PS5 games ( at least) on launch day to counter that?


Edit:
Damn, my phone autocorrected launch -> lauch in the headline

Microsoft does not care how you buy their games. If you pay for Game Pass you are buying their game. They care not if you buy it on Xbox at all or if you buy their games on PC.

 

[Night.Ninja]

It going to be great knowing you have a ton of games day one

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

How is gamepass bad for AAA gaming?

games will be shit and budgets will be shit and games will just be thrown onto GamePass with no regard for quality.

or at least that’s what the haters say. But they can never explain how MS is going to sell people on this service full of trash.

 

[Jigsaah]

It just came to my mind, that the Xbox sx might have a cost advantage over the PS5 even if it initially costs more. All "exclusives" should be inside of Gamepass on the first day, that means we can buy an Xbox sx without even buy a game and still have plenty to play. Well there will still be 3rd party games but all launch games from MS should be included.

Question is, will Sony do something similar with PSNow? They already added not to old PS4 games. Will they add their PS5 games ( at least) on launch day to counter that?


Edit:
Damn, my phone autocorrected launch -> lauch in the headline

You need a new phone. It auto corrected what you wrote to a word that doesn't exist? Bad phone, bad.

Onto your point. Yes you're right, for the low low price of $1 to $15 a month you have access to all the exclusives for XsX. Unless they change things, it's literally highway robbery in favor of the gamers. Not to mention they do add some 3rd party games in there too and a lot of gems that I would have never bought and played otherwise.

If you guys like RTS and haven't played Stellaris, my god get that shit immediately. Its so good.

 

[Tiamat2san]

I love halo.
If they do a great collector, I’ll buy it and don’t open the game (I have gamepass)
Otherwise i will take the gamepass version only.
Either way, I am good with it.

 

[01011001]

Edit:
Damn, my phone autocorrected launch -> lauch in the headline

I always buy a game with my Lauch

 

[DarkMage619]

I think it will change game budgets for the worse eventually

Based on what evidence?

 

[DarkMage619]

games will be shit and budgets will be shit and games will just be thrown onto GamePass with no regard for quality.

or at least that’s what the haters say. But they can never explain how MS is going to sell people on this service full of trash.

Also Netflix has a subscription service. Would you say all Netflix products are trash?

 

[Vawn]

How is gamepass bad for AAA gaming?

Because publishers aren't trying to make 100 million dollar budget games to sell for $60 a pop. They're making lesser games to pad out a subscription service.

Basically it is summer theater blockbusters vs made-for-TV movies.

 

[Hobbygaming]

Based on what evidence?

No evidence I just don't see big publishers still making big expensive games to keep putting them on $2 services

 

[DarkMage619]

Because publishers aren't trying to make 100 million dollar budget games to sell for $60 a pop. They're making lesser games to pad out a subscription service.

Basically it is summer theater blockbusters vs made-for-TV movies.

What is your evidence this is true? Does putting a game on gamepass prevent the developer from selling the game for $60?

 

[DarkMage619]

No evidence I just don't see big publishers still making big expensive games to keep putting them on $2 services

I had no idea gamepass was $2.

 

[Optimistic Gamer]

edit: this post was stupid

 

[Fbh]

I doubt it
I still think Gamepass just doesn't combine well with the sort of games Sony tends to make, at least not at launch
Gamepass is fine for stuff like Sea of Thieves or Halo which you want people to play for months. But it doesn't make too much sense for high budget AAA single player games that you can realistically beat in a month.

In a scenario where Sony has a gamepass. Why pay $60 for TLOU2 and then $60 for Ghosts of Tsushima if I can just get gamepass in July and play them both for $10.

I think they'll stick to something similar to what they are doing now. Regular launches that come to their subscription service later

 

[Hobbygaming]

I had no idea gamepass was $2.

$2 or $14 you get the picture

 

[Vawn]

What is your evidence this is true? Does putting a game on gamepass prevent the developer from selling the game for $60?

It stops people from BUYING it. Looks at the sale numbers from Xbox games on GP since it came out.

 

[Optimistic Gamer]

What is your evidence this is true? Does putting a game on gamepass prevent the developer from selling the game for $60?

The important thing here is value proposition. If you saw a game for 30 bucks on sale you'll never again consider paying 60 for it. Same for games that are being handed out elsewhere as part of a cheap subscription.

 

[Radical_3d]

I prefer Sony not to do this

I'm still not convinced that Gamepass won't end up bad for AAA gaming

I, on the other hand, am entirely convinced the subscription model is hazardous for game development. I’d pretty much like the Sony exclusives to be produced with high quality and high sales in mind more than to fill a launch window in a service.

 

[DarkMage619]

It stops people from BUYING it. Looks at the sale numbers from Xbox games on GP since it came out.

So that would mean that people that would normally buy the game are now subscribed to gamepass. So instead of a single $60 sale they have a continuous revenue stream. I haven't seen any evidence presented that gamepass is a problem. Is it simply because the same option isn't present on your preferred system of choice?

 

[Vawn]

It is simply because the same option isn't present on your preferred system of choice?

Or is it not my system of choice because of the quality of games a subscription service produces?

Chicken and the egg.

And there was a time when Xbox (360) WAS my system of choice because of the games.

 

[DarkMage619]

Or is it not my system of choice because of the quality of games a subscription service produces?

Chicken and the egg.

And there was a time when Xbox (360) WAS my system of choice because of the games.

What games prove your point with regards to quality sir? Gears 5? Halo Infinite? Forza 7? These games will all be on gamepass or on gamepass now. You can not care for the genre but I don't see how you can say these games are not quality.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

What games prove your point with regards to quality sir? Gears 5? Halo Infinite? Forza 7? These games will all be on gamepass or on gamepass now. You can not care for the genre but I don't see how you can say these games are not quality.

They’ll ignore the many great GamePass games and point to Bleeding Edge or something, even though every GamePass game is also available at retail or digital.

And to answer your earlier question, Netflix has a lot of great content and a lot of not great content, like any other service. But Netflix tries to make quality entertainment for consumption so that people will subscribe. Somehow MS will skip that part and people will still subscribe

 

[DarkMage619]

They’ll ignore the many great GamePass games and point to Bleeding Edge or something, even though every GamePass game is also available at retail or digital.

And to answer your earlier question, Netflix has a lot of great content and a lot of not great content, like any other service. But Netflix tries to make quality entertainment for consumption so that people will subscribe. Somehow MS will skip that part and people will still subscribe

An excellent point. If Microsoft wants the subscription service to be successful how can they do that providing only 'trash'? There is nothing wrong with liking what Sony is doing but you have to admit Microsoft has pushed many innovations to console gaming. Gamepass might end up being a really awesome service for gamers and I thought that is what we are first.

 

[Sota4077]

games will be shit and budgets will be shit and games will just be thrown onto GamePass with no regard for quality.

or at least that’s what the haters say. But they can never explain how MS is going to sell people on this service full of trash.

I've been paying for it for 2 years and to say that the service is full of trash is ludicrous. I can only assume you are trolling.

 

[Arkam]

I think it will change game budgets for the worse eventually

IMO it will make them smaller. If GP keeps on I see MS using XGS to create many smaller games so they have a constant flow of quality content. AAA game development is too slow and too expensive.

 

[Stuart360]

Why do people always act like publishers HAVE to put their games on Gamepass?, they dont if they dont want to.

 

[Hobbygaming]

IMO it will make them smaller. If GP keeps on I see MS using XGS to create many smaller games so they have a constant flow of quality content. AAA game development is too slow and too expensive.

That's what I mean, less AAA games which I wouldn't approve of

 

[DeepEnigma]

Also Netflix has a subscription service. Would you say all Netflix products are trash?

90% of their original content not counting all the cancellations they do when you just start to get into a season?

Yes.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

That's what I mean, less AAA games which I wouldn't approve of

Yet in seemingly every next gen thread you’re quick to post about how Sony first party is about to show the world how it’s done and even Sony is making less AAA titles than they ever have and are relying more on paying outside companies than ever.

Many of the studios at MS have multiple teams. NT can have a real small team make Bleeding Edge and also work on two bigger projects. Playground can make Fable and also another AAA project. Obsidian can make Grounded with a very small team but also work on AAA stuff. Etc etc

Plus MS routinely pays for these smaller games you worry about, so there’s even less reason for them to rely on making them themselves. This month we’ll see Final Fantasy 9, DayZ, and Fractured Minds on console, and just got Streets of Rage 4. And per usual, they’ll drop more games throughout the month.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

Yeah I will probably just get gamepass and nothing else. I don’t game all that much nowadays so I can strategically wait for certain titles.

Halo, Flight Sim, Psychonauts 2 and whatever else will keep me happy for a long time!

 

[KingdomHeartsFan]

Question is, will Sony do something similar with PSNow? They already added not to old PS4 games. Will they add their PS5 games ( at least) on launch day to counter that?

No, Sony focuses on single player games and Microsoft focuses on multiplayer and GAAS games. Idk why people expect PS first party games to show up day 1 on PSNow...if you want that then Sony will have to stop focusing on single player games.

 

[michaelius]

I prefer Sony not to do this

I'm still not convinced that Gamepass won't end up bad for AAA gaming

AAA gaming will probably be fine. Consumers not so much.

Look at how MS office went from buying cheap copy for home use to annual fee that ends up costing several times more over product lifecycle.

 

[Hobbygaming]

Yet in seemingly every next gen thread you’re quick to post about how Sony first party is about to show the world how it’s done and even Sony is making less AAA titles than they ever have and are relying more on paying outside companies than ever.

Many of the studios at MS have multiple teams. NT can have a real small team make Bleeding Edge and also work on two bigger projects. Playground can make Fable and also another AAA project. Obsidian can make Grounded with a very small team but also work on AAA stuff. Etc etc

Plus MS routinely pays for these smaller games you worry about, so there’s even less reason for them to rely on making them themselves. This month we’ll see Final Fantasy 9, DayZ, and Fractured Minds on console, and just got Streets of Rage 4. And per usual, they’ll drop more games throughout the month.

Sony will still have their big blockbuster exclusives, they'll take more time if needed and they'll still get 3rd party AAA exclusives you're right

I just hope MS doesn't start to lower their budgets for anything not related to their core franchises because of Gamepass

 

[IDKFA]

And? Microsoft doesn't care as long you buy there games. XSX is just there as an option for people who still prefer consoles.

Relax. It wasn't a criticism. The thread is discussing a console launch without exclusives, which is what the XSX will be.

 

[Vawn]

And? Microsoft doesn't care as long you buy there games. XSX is just there as an option for people who still prefer consoles.

Microsoft would rather you buy their games on Xbox than Steam, where they give a huge chunk of the profits to Valve.

They'd also prefer you play on Xbox than PC. Xbox is a closed ecosystem and they get paid to sell third-party games. If those games sell on Steam or Epic, Microsoft doesn't get anything.

Microsoft does not "own" the PC platform.